White House Moves to Halt Federal Funds for EV Charging Stations (politico.com) 165
Thursday the White House "moved to halt a $5 billion initiative to build electric vehicle charging stations," reports Politico, "by instructing states not to spend federal funds previously allocated to them..." NPR described the move as "putting in limbo billions of dollars allocated to states with current and future projects..."
Politico notes the move "appears to upend years of precedent in which federal promises of funds for highway projects had given states an all-but-guaranteed assurance that they were free to spend them. It also raises legal questions... Funding experts had told POLITICO last year that decades of legal precedent would largely insulate the charging money... Andrew Rogers [deputy administrator of the Federal Highway Administration, or FHWA, in the Biden administration] said in a text message that the new letter "appears to ignore both the law and multiple restraining orders that have been issued by federal courts." Rogers, who is now a senior vice president at Boundary Stone Partners, said the move appears to be "in direct violation" of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, a Watergate-era law that prohibits presidents from unilaterally canceling congressionally approved spending. Trump has contended that the law is unconstitutional.
Politico also got a quote from the chief analyst at analytics firm Paren, who predicts lawsuits from affected states and that the final impact of the move will be "just causing havoc and slowing things down for awhile." [A letter to state transportation directors from the Federal Highway Administration] clarifies that states will be able to receive reimbursements for "existing obligations" to design and build stations "in order to not disrupt current financial commitments." According to the letter, FHWA plans to publish new draft guidance on the NEVI program in the spring, followed by a comment period, before issuing new final guidance. Only then will states be able to resubmit their annual implementation plans for all fiscal years of the program.
"But that doesn't mean that the program is going to be sunset or the funds are not going to be made available again to the states," Nick Nigro, the founder of Atlas Public Policy consultancy told NPR: Several experts tell NPR that as a result of its overwhelming bipartisan support at the time, attempts to overturn it within the executive branch are likely to be challenged in court. Nigro believes the funding will resume eventually...
So far, 56 stations [with multiple chargers] are up and running as a result of the program, while more than 900 sites in total have been "awarded" to date, according to Loren McDonald, chief analyst at Paren, another research analytics firm. McDonald said several hundred of the awarded sites are currently under construction and expected to open this year. He does not believe the FHWA has the authority to pause or rescind any aspect of the NEVI program... "I assume lawsuits from states will start soon, and this will go to court and Congress," McDonald said in a statement.
The move has "confounded states, which had been allocated billions of dollars by Congress for the program," the New York Times reported Friday. "[S]ome state officials said that as a result of the memo from the Trump administration, they had stopped work on the charging stations. Others said they intended to keep going."
The Washington Post reports that a Texas Department of Transportation official "said it would continue to deploy federal funds for EV chargers until it receives further guidance," and that Ryan Gallentine, managing director at the national business association Advanced Energy United, said that states "are under no obligation to stop these projects based solely on this announcement." Politico adds: Also on Thursday, FHWA took down several internet pages providing information on NEVI and its sister program, the $2.5 billion Charging and Fueling Infrastructure grant program... Amid the confusion, at least six states — Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Rhode Island, Ohio and Nebraska — have put their NEVI programs on hold, according to McDonald. Rhode Island and Ohio had been considered leading states in implementing the program.
Politico notes the move "appears to upend years of precedent in which federal promises of funds for highway projects had given states an all-but-guaranteed assurance that they were free to spend them. It also raises legal questions... Funding experts had told POLITICO last year that decades of legal precedent would largely insulate the charging money... Andrew Rogers [deputy administrator of the Federal Highway Administration, or FHWA, in the Biden administration] said in a text message that the new letter "appears to ignore both the law and multiple restraining orders that have been issued by federal courts." Rogers, who is now a senior vice president at Boundary Stone Partners, said the move appears to be "in direct violation" of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, a Watergate-era law that prohibits presidents from unilaterally canceling congressionally approved spending. Trump has contended that the law is unconstitutional.
Politico also got a quote from the chief analyst at analytics firm Paren, who predicts lawsuits from affected states and that the final impact of the move will be "just causing havoc and slowing things down for awhile." [A letter to state transportation directors from the Federal Highway Administration] clarifies that states will be able to receive reimbursements for "existing obligations" to design and build stations "in order to not disrupt current financial commitments." According to the letter, FHWA plans to publish new draft guidance on the NEVI program in the spring, followed by a comment period, before issuing new final guidance. Only then will states be able to resubmit their annual implementation plans for all fiscal years of the program.
"But that doesn't mean that the program is going to be sunset or the funds are not going to be made available again to the states," Nick Nigro, the founder of Atlas Public Policy consultancy told NPR: Several experts tell NPR that as a result of its overwhelming bipartisan support at the time, attempts to overturn it within the executive branch are likely to be challenged in court. Nigro believes the funding will resume eventually...
So far, 56 stations [with multiple chargers] are up and running as a result of the program, while more than 900 sites in total have been "awarded" to date, according to Loren McDonald, chief analyst at Paren, another research analytics firm. McDonald said several hundred of the awarded sites are currently under construction and expected to open this year. He does not believe the FHWA has the authority to pause or rescind any aspect of the NEVI program... "I assume lawsuits from states will start soon, and this will go to court and Congress," McDonald said in a statement.
The move has "confounded states, which had been allocated billions of dollars by Congress for the program," the New York Times reported Friday. "[S]ome state officials said that as a result of the memo from the Trump administration, they had stopped work on the charging stations. Others said they intended to keep going."
The Washington Post reports that a Texas Department of Transportation official "said it would continue to deploy federal funds for EV chargers until it receives further guidance," and that Ryan Gallentine, managing director at the national business association Advanced Energy United, said that states "are under no obligation to stop these projects based solely on this announcement." Politico adds: Also on Thursday, FHWA took down several internet pages providing information on NEVI and its sister program, the $2.5 billion Charging and Fueling Infrastructure grant program... Amid the confusion, at least six states — Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Rhode Island, Ohio and Nebraska — have put their NEVI programs on hold, according to McDonald. Rhode Island and Ohio had been considered leading states in implementing the program.
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What does Elmo say about this? Surely more charging stations would benefit Tesla drivers.
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He's not interested in benefitting Tesla drivers. Why would you think that?
Melonia would only favor subsidies if she can get more than anyone else. Otherwise she would oppose them. This is transparently obvious.
It doesn't matter to the rich whether there's a bull market or a bear market, it only matters that they can control and predict it.
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You are all a bunch of dumbasses. Tesla owner since 2018 here. Have 3. The Supercharging network let me tow from CA to FL. I can go anywhere you can with a gas car in my Tesla. We don't need a boondoggle to charge cars. Thanks. That was one of Elon Musk's (sorry for the trigger, dumbass) lesser projects.
The supercharger network is *barely* enough for Tesla right now, with around 4% of cars on the market, which means more like 1% of the cars on the road.
Eventually, the goal is for ~100% of cars on the roads to be electric (except for the occasional classic/antique car driven for fun). That means we need O(100) times as much infrastructure as we have now.
How much of that funding should come from governments versus private industry is an open question, of course, but there's little question about whether we
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Tesla has their own charging network and (as much as I hate praising anything involved with Mr. Nazi salute) it's actually quite good. Tesla has also recently opened the network for most makes of non-Tesla EVs by means of a user-provided adapter, and a few of the stations (MagicDock locations) can automatically dispense an attached adapter.
Ultimately, cutting off the federal funding for more chargers benefits Tesla, because their network is already quite extensive and it's mostly the competition that will
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Yes, as much as these next few years will be politically fraught, Elon Musk is simply taking advantage of it for personal gain
It may take a while for most Americans to realize this is not good for them
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Probably "thanks President Useful Idiot, the brown envelope is on its way".
He's got a charging network, and he's tried to destroy it himself by firing the whole team. So this is likely all part of Operation confuse-the-populace-to-billionaires'-benefit.
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A good sign that you haven't been on Slashdot at all in the past 6 months. Hint: It's an almost anagram and an insult for a certain musky person.
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a certain musky person that deadnames his own child
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Or he's a concerned dad worried about his mentally unstable child, powerless to fight it in a world gone crazy. That's the right take...
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Elon Musk is the antithesis of a concerned dad.
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There are more variants, but they'll be too sexist.
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A good sign that you haven't been on Slashdot at all in the past 6 months.
Or been reading or watching the news for the last 6 months.
To be fair (Score:3)
Almost none were even built
Re:To be fair (Score:5, Insightful)
There's nothing "fair" about that. Infrastructure doesn't appear overnight. It takes planning and patience. 9 women can't make a baby in a month. If there were lots of charging stations built in the timeframe it would be a clear sign of a rushed job, poorly thought through.
In 2016 Ionity was formed (not called that at the time) as a conglomerate of major car companies and infrastructure companies with a huge budget and a push to install chargers across Europe. 3 years later it had rolled out 58 chargers (just slightly more than the US program). It is now rolling out over 700 per quarter. These kinds of major projects take a long time to ramp up.
So no, you're not "being fair" at all. You're being ignorant of how infrastructure programs are scheduled.
Re: To be fair (Score:3)
Most of the completed EV stations so far are at Pilot Truck Stops. One company benefiting greatly.
The other ones that have yet to be completed appear to be taking longer than is necessary for various reasons (probably unnecessary bureaucracy at the state level), and risk being out-of-date by the time they come online.
If this was a serious endeavor, there would have been hundreds of these stations in place long before the election. They knew what was coming, had years to prepare and execute, and failed miser
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Or maybe they had a corrupt several year-heads-up on future government subsidies and were able to then hit the ground running.
Or they simply have larger properties than most making it much easier to "add on"
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Most of the completed EV stations so far are at Pilot Truck Stops. One company benefiting greatly.
Turns out that larger convenience stores close to a freeway are fairly ideal locations for EV charging, because they have restrooms and food available. Add Wi-Fi and/or a couple of better restaurants within a block, and you have yourself the trifecta.
The fact that one company has a substantial percentage of those locations does make it awkward, but that's not the fault of the governments for choosing the best locations. That's the fault of the government for not limiting the size of that truck stop empire
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While I agree with what you say, I do think that it was bizarre that the Biden administration gave no thought to the problem of the lengthy political payback period. Not just with chargers, either -- true for their approach to inflation management as well. It's like they've never heard of the concept of quick wins, or considered the importance of momentum and showing progress, or asked "what if our political opponents don't play nicely?"
Maybe this truly was the only way to get the infra built. But... I kind
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Ah, The DEI Demon raises its head again, is there nothing that cannot be attributed to it?
In point of fact, the roll out of chargers was to take place really starting in roughly 2026 so they could plan first, and then execute. That's in contrast to the current alleged administration which is to execute first and then plan. How's that working out for Xitter?
Put aside EV charging stations for a moment. (Score:5, Insightful)
Have a think about what is going on here. Imagine living in a country and being a company, engineering firm, supplier, infrastructure maintainer, etc, where a new government can come in and say don't spend funds "previously allocated".
How can you run you business? How can you trust any government contract? How can any government level plan to build any infrastructure which may take more than 4 years.
Forget about whether you think EV charging stations are good or bad, forget about whether you think the governments were doing a good job of the projects or not. This move is toxic as fuck. How is America made great again again by telling people "you can't trust us to invest here".
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Toxic as fuck has been the platform of the Republican Party for decades. Two Santas is their most effective strategy, there is nothing more toxic than Two Santas.
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While I agree with your premise this isn't new. We have become increasingly unstable since 2016 and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.
With that said, a lot of businesses that solely rely on government contracts amount to parasites. The first few industries that come to mind are the Military Industrial complex and the Education Industrial complex. Both suck the tax payers dry and in the case of higher ed, also fuck everyone with incredible debt.
Heck, we should NEVER of passed out EV credits. Tha
Listing the government budget details (Score:2)
Examining every line item in the entire federal budget and the breakdown of that spending beyond the line item is what is happening.
The questions from this:
- What extent can the executive branch control federal spending?
- What extent can the executive branch stop, delay, study, reallocate, prioritize, etc. individual federal spending items?
- What extent can the executive branch change government organizations, employee counts, list of jobs, etc. beyond what is specifically listed in a verbatim reading of a
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Get the project done on time then. Seriously we are so sick of this shit.
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Get the project done on time then. Seriously we are so sick of this shit.
It is being done on time. Infrastructure takes time. Are you the kind of person who thinks that 9 women can bring a baby to term in a month? The EU was down this road too with Ionity. 3 years after that consortium got together they had 58 chargers installed. Now they are installing over 700 each quarter.
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Also worth noting that the US is the most expensive place to build infra in the world, and that's partly because it takes so long. The UK is the second worst, and I'm hoping that the government really will do what it says and tackle some of the drivers of the delays. But while I'm hoping, I'm not hopeful.
Re:Put aside EV charging stations for a moment. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Forget about whether you think this is good for business, how can the government itself function if the president can just decide to dismantle programs without congress repealing them.
Re: Put aside EV charging stations for a moment. (Score:2)
This literally happened under Biden with the border wall. In fact, they went so far as to destroy what was already built.
I absolutely agree with the premise that if appropriated, funds need to be used for that purpose. But this specific program does not seem like it ever was going to be a serious thing.
Re: Put aside EV charging stations for a moment. (Score:2)
> This isn't a partisan point. The fact someone else did it doesn't change anything now, and the fact you straight away got into defensive (but the other guys did it too) just shows what a shitshow America is. You're part of the problem.
It shows precedent, which by societal standards, it is indeed acceptable. Funds get politicized by both sides all the time, and either side should not be upset when it happens to their pet projects.
> Based on what? Something a republican senator told you? If it's not a
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I get it, planning takes time - but nothing should take more than three months to initiate construction. We live in the internet age, all the bureaucracy and middlemen with their hands out should no longer be a thing. All the layers of crap that sucks money from the actual project are one of the reasons manufacturing moved outside
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Forget about whether you think EV charging stations are good or bad, forget about whether you think the governments were doing a good job of the projects or not.
Wait a second, why would we forget all that? How many EV charging stations were built so far and at what cost per unit? The entire point here is that EV charging stations are not getting built. Government contract/program/subsidy isn't free money, businesses suppose to deliver goods and services in exchange for money.
Re:Put aside EV charging stations for a moment. (Score:4, Interesting)
We flat-out can't be spending this kind of money on worthless projects.
There's nothing worthless about infrastructure.
And make no mistake, this EV charger program was always worthless. EV charging is currently undergoing a change from an older standard to a new one. Ever been in a building and see that they installed all sorts of USB A 2.0 style chargers?
Yes I plug my modern USB-C phone into them and it charges just fine. Just like I can plug my CCS car into a Tesla charger and you can plug your new NACS Kia 3 into a CCS charger. The standard only changed the connector.
The ones that max out at 2A?
Except there is a reason to max out at a certain capacity for EV charging. There's a good reason every charger isn't a supercharger. There's a reason that even now in 2025 not every new charger being built is a 350kW charger and it has nothing to do with changing standards.
They shouldn't be built. They're going to be useless.
If you don't know what you're talking about you'd think so.
But all of that doesn't really matter, because of another simple truth: the US must cut spending, drastically, right now
Oh I agree. But I guess in the typical US fashion you'll focus on cutting infrastructure spending first. God forbid you raise taxes, cut the military or other pork barrelling contracts.
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And make no mistake, this EV charger program was always worthless. EV charging is currently undergoing a change from an older standard to a new one. Ever been in a building and see that they installed all sorts of USB A 2.0 style chargers?
Yes I plug my modern USB-C phone into them and it charges just fine. Just like I can plug my CCS car into a Tesla charger and you can plug your new NACS Kia 3 into a CCS charger. The standard only changed the connector.
And that, in fact is one of the great advantages of EVs over ICE, you don't have to either swap out the engine or install an extremely inefficient multi fuel engine and recalibrate it every time you change fuels to minimise fuel waste. With EVs you just change the damn plug and possibly install a software update on the EV charging unit and that's it. Battery type is unimportant, engine type is unimportant and the energy efficiency far higher than on an ICE vehicle.
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The only major difference between CCS1 and NACS is the plug itself. The adapters are entirely passive devices. DCFC stations can be upgraded to NACS simply by replacing the attached cord, which usually happens anyway as part of maintenance as the connectors get damaged by people dropping it.
Also, most people who own an EV carry various adapters anyway, because having more charging options is a good thing.
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You've never used public infrastructure, have you? These are going to be built and forgotten. They will never be upgraded. Like you point out, the connector will be broken eventually and then the station will be useless. This already happens with publicly built charging stations.
It's a waste of money, it was always a waste of money, and it should be stopped.
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Ooh good point! Just like how at gas stations when a nozzle is eventually broken, the station is forever useless.
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Wait until climate change really starts taking a bite out of the U.S.'s ass. All it will take is for that 30 year drought in the West to move East.
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I'm going to be blunt here: you're a fucking moron.
Americans... WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)
Your POTUS, in addition to being corrupt, appears bent on doing a lot of things just to be contrary. Pro plastic straw. Anti 'windmill'. Anti EV.
Then there's the 'declare economic war on the entire world and tell some allies they better surrender their sovereignty or you'll crush them militarily if you can't economically'.
If that's not enough (and it should be more than enough if any of you have any sanity left), there's the revenge tour he's on to destroy people who were doing their jobs and attempting to enforce the law.
The US population needs to be on national strike over this shit, and run Trump and the Republicans out of office. If you try to ride it out and hope it goes away in four years, you're going to be at the point where you're going to need an armed and violent resistance movement.
Re:Americans... WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)
We've had about 40 years of culture war bullshit, which was ramped up to 11 when "Gamergate", the prototype for what became the modern "Alt right" and ultimately MAGA, was tested and found successful. Unfortunately no matter how batshit insane things go, coupling the culture war with the likely massive increase in voter suppression tactics, MAGA is probably the future for the US for the next decade.
It does astonish me there are people who look at the Italian and German regimes of the 1930s and think to themselves "Boy, those turned out well! Let's do that!"
Exec. branch can't cancel Congress's laws (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump made losers feel they lost because of outsiders and DEI, and NOT because they are losers. A man who thrives off of an inflated ego knows how to inflate the egos of losers, getting their vote.
As far as EV chargers, if it's in a law passed by Congress, then likely the courts will force the Executive branch to continue, although I imagine Don will still find a way to delay or sabotage it with chaos, his weapon of choice.
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Drop dead, nazi.
Showing myself out... (Score:2)
Trump intentionally breaches constitution (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump is intentionally breaching the Constitution, with the realization that he may have the votes on the Supreme Court to reframe the Constitution to his liking.
The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 explicitly prohibits exactly what he wants to do, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that the law is constitutional. That is, it's established law that Trump is acting illegally. However, Trump knows that stare decisis is dead. What previous Supreme Courts have ruled don't matter when the current activist right-wing court has a say.
Another way of looking at impoundment is that it essentially grants the president line item veto power over appropriations, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that the line item veto is unconstitutional. Of course, the current Supreme Court has unchecked power and can make up whatever idea it wants.
...but he's immune from prosecution (Score:2)
The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 explicitly prohibits exactly what he wants to do, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that the law is constitutional.That is, it's established law that Trump is acting illegally.
Yes, but your supreme court also ruled that the president can't be prosecuted for breaking the law so why would he care? It's no use having laws if the person with all the power is allowed to break them with impunity. Indeed, English common law started with the idea of limiting the power of an absolute monarch with laws and by putting your president above the law you have recreated one. Welcome to the reign of King Trump I.
The US has an approx. 1.8 Trillion dollar deficit! (Score:2)
Government spending is a state secret! There is nothing that can be cut! Millions will die if a single penny of spending is even paused for review!
Shooting their nose (Score:2)
They do know Americans get jobs installing those, right? And building electric cars? And selling them?
They're seriously just taking away American jobs? For no reason? Are they fucking idiots?
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Some are. Others are clever, and don't care about this consequence.
Musk Must Go! (Score:2)
Mission Accomplished (Score:2)
the final impact of the move will be "just causing havoc and slowing things down for awhile."
Many of the administration's recent activities have the goal of "causing havoc and slowing things down for awhile". The more havoc and the slower the wheels of government turn, the more actions they can take without anyone stopping them. Many executive actions will be halted. Many will be reversed. But there is no way to prevent the harm. You cannot un-break the eggs.
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Funny how concerned you are over the "bureaucratic status quo" but don't have a care in the world about the presidential over reach this and many of Trump's other recent actions represent. Who cares about balance of powers in government, let's just make Trump king, right?
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We get what we voted for. Put on a helmet. Gonna be a bumpy ride.
I still blame the Democrats for running such a horrible primary and campaign though. Trump is no secret. Everyone knows exactly what we would get out of a second Trump term. We all know it's a disaster in the making and he's told us exactly what he wants to do.
We really do need to figure out how to balance our national budget and cut back on our deficit spending.
A great example is USAID. Why isn't that an international organization funded by a
Re:Ah yes, Politico (Score:5, Insightful)
We get what we voted for
No, I'm getting what other people voted for.
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We get what we voted for
No, I'm getting what other people voted for.
it's a bit more complicated. people rage voting for trump is a consequence of the other people you voted for.
Re:Ah yes, Politico (Score:5, Informative)
Please, modern Republicans run far more debt than modern Democrats. It's been that way for decades and was certainly that way during Trump's last presidency when the economy was supposedly doing great (thus there was no urgent need for aggressive deficient spending as he was doing)
Never mind the fact that my hypothetical children will be living with worse global warming and more wealth inequality (along with all the problems that creates) because of conservative bullshit.
Not a record [Re:Ah yes, Politico] (Score:5, Informative)
No, I'm getting what other people voted for.
That is literally how democracy works. The American people elected President Donald J. Trump in record numbers.
Yes on elected Donald Trump, but no, not with "record numbers." The current record is... Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, 2020: 81,283,501 votes.
Good list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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That list shows President Trump won in 2024 with 77,302,169 - which is second, behind Biden in 2020. Which I would call a record, especially when you take into account the strange spike in turn-out in 2020 that never reoccurred in any other election.
Funny how a larger number of working-class Americans working from home leads to more Democrats being able to vote.
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If you think about the 2020 race, it would be hard for anyone to get re-elected after the shock of the last 6 months. Life sucked for a lot of people that winter and Trump was in charge so must all be his fault.
This time, same thing. Life's pretty rough for a lot of people and you blame who's in charge. Biden's in charge and lost given the present situation in November. Democrats made this whole election really hard on themselves in so many little ways and a lot of it can be blame do Biden not stepping down
Re: Ah yes, Politico (Score:2)
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Oh, also, a majority of Americans are currently unhappy with what Trump has done so far https://www.pewresearch.org/po... [pewresearch.org] so no his current policies are in fact not the widely popular policies you're pretending they are.
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They should all be writing their Congress reps. If Republicans wanted to be done with Trump, the Democrats would bend over backwards to help them in Congress. First all the people need to write their reps and tell them to impeach and convict. I'm not thinking enough people will do that though.
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The American people elected President Donald J. Trump in record numbers.
This piece of mis/disinformation is getting old. From The 2024 Election by the Numbers [cfr.org] (and *many* other sources):
(a) Not a record. Trump received 77,284,118 votes in 2024; Biden received 81,284,666 votes in 2020.
(b) In 2024, Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote and Harris received 48.3%.
So Trump received less than 50% and beat Harris by *only* 1.5% -- meaning, *not* a landslide or a mandate.
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I mean, it was "a record" it just wasn't the top record :)
Re:Ah yes, Politico (Score:4, Insightful)
USAID not only bolstered US political positions globally, they enhanced US corporate access to those markets.
IMO that is why US kept to itself and did not want other projects like Chinese belts and roads initiatives to water it down.
If anybody was being honest, we would see a cost benefit analysis before the "cutting of waste" were to start
This is all obviously based on pre-conceived notions and a desire to thwart some perceived enemy within, which are in turn based on 40+ years of Fox News propaganda
Americans are, unfortunately, naïve to this influence and hopefully more catch on to it as trump continues to try and blame everybody else for his failings
Re:Ah yes, Politico (Score:4, Informative)
The proper /. response to such claims is usually Cite or GTFO
However, this is obviously trumpian spew spread by the propaganda apparatus that I mentioned before (plus X), so I will provide a researched response with citation
No, 90 Percent of Aid Is Not Skimmed Off Before Reaching Target Communities [cgdev.org]
Of course, you will attack the source, simply demonstrating that you are a reactionary yourself
Surprise us all and learn that the 11% that trump/musk are referring to is actually 11% that is directed to 'prime' partners like governments, while the remaining 89% is aid directed through partner organizations like World Food and anti-Malaria funds
So, please read the linked article and stop depending on, and spreading lies
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So, please read the linked article and stop depending on, and spreading lies
I'm afraid that is not possible when your entire world view is based 'alternative facts' like his is.
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Also, we already have international equivalents of USAID. We have USAID on top of them because soft power is important.
Re: Ah yes, Politico (Score:4, Informative)
A great example is USAID. Why isn't that an international organization funded by all 1st/2nd world countries?
You mean like the UN World Food Program, WHO, Medicins sans Frontiers, the International Red Cross, Feed the Children etc.? There are plenty of international aid organisations, but most nations have their own organisations as well to focus on the areas that will serve their own interests best. That's basically what "soft power" is.
The USA was the largest contributor to global aid money but why?
In absolute terms, yes. In relative terms the US ranks around 25th. Norway is the country that spends most on foreign aid per capita. The US spends most overall because it's a populous nation with a massive economy.
Just like we shouldn't have to pay the most for NATO. Not even on our continent.
Then donâ(TM)t. And don't do what Trump does and confuse an aim with an obligation. NATO isn't some golf club with dues that have to be paid. The US doesn't have all those foreign bases for purely selfless reasons. That's not a dig at the US; no country does anything militarily for selfless reasons. Those US service members at Pituffik aren't there just to protect Greenland you know.
Also bear in mind that what counts as "defence spending" differs from country to country. For example, the UK doesn't have a VA. We don't need one but at least part of the VA's budget is classed as defence spending. Likewise, DARPA does a lot of things that aren't at all related to defence. No offence, but if the US wants to feed its military-industrial complex, and feed it, and feed it, and feed it then that's their business. After all, somewhere like Romania has no use for something like a multi-billion dollar aircraft carrier.
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The USA was the only country to ever ask for NATO assistance, you ingrate. "Not even on our continent" my arse.
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Fuck sake.
1. USAid is not an international organisation because (a) international organisations already exist, both tax-funded and charitable, and (b) the US doesn't *want* to funnel all its aid budget through international organisations because then it couldn't spend that money exactly as it liked and would have to take into account other donor interests. You have no doubt deluded yourself that USAid is the only aid organisation out there, and those mean and pathetic Europeans etc are not pulling their wei
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I still blame the Democrats for running such a horrible primary and campaign though. Trump is no secret. Everyone knows exactly what we would get out of a second Trump term. We all know it's a disaster in the making and he's told us exactly what he wants to do.
Agreed that Democrats didn't do themselves any favors and I think would have been if Biden had kept his early promise to not run again. That would have given Harris a normal nomination process, etc... But some voters also ignored things on the Republican side to their detriment. For example, the "Uncommitted" voters who railed against Biden for his position and lack of results on Israel/Gaza (rock meet hard place) in favor of Trump and Republicans. Biden eventually finalized a ceasefire, which had been
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Sex changes in Somalia and childrens programming in Iraq. DEI classes in Sub Sahara Africa... NO! It was BS through and through. Nuke it all and look for more. There's not a god damn thing that the dems can do now to stop it. They have been exposed and the majority of voters know it now.
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The Democrats did have an "interesting" primary and campaign. Did they even have a primary? As I recall Biden was unopposed and when he dropped out then Harris was somehow just given the top of the ticket with no real party primary election process.
So then you don't recall at all? Biden had a primary and Harris got the spot because afterwards Biden bowed out and there wasnt time for another.
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So then you don't recall at all? Biden had a primary and Harris got the spot because afterwards Biden bowed out and there wasnt time for another.
Still, when all was said and done it left the general election as the only opportunity for voters to reject Harris. You're never going to convince me this wasn't a hugely boneheaded move by the Democrats. For some reason they just keep forgetting that it is a popularity contest. Most progressive policies are actually quite popular with the majority. So clearly, they're not failing on policy, they're failing on who they run.
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The boneheaded move was the party needing that debate defeat to realize Biden was too old as there simply wasn't time for another primary and Harris was next in line given that she was his VP.
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You can blame whoever you want. You can also pretend that either of the Democratic candidates were so unreasonable relative to a convicted felon who has a third of the country doubting the validity of our elections while panicking them with false claims of an immigrant crime wave and absolutely insane policy goals in regards to tariffs.
Or you can just accept that incumbent parties always have a hard time winning reelection when economic problems hit during their term in office regardless of whether they are
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This term has been so far, an "absolute 1000% exceed my expectations" and I am SO GLAD I voted for him and he won. Lets address a few things:
1. Staffing. I think Elon is a master organizer and the innovator of our time. Steve Jobs once said there comes a product every one in a while that changes everything, and he cited 3 products he worked on that were such products: the iPod, the Mac, and the iPhone. He said that he was lucky enough to be involved in 3. Elon, it seems so far has 5: The electric drive train, FSD, the reusable rocket, Starlink, and lastly, X. Robert F. Kennedy, who's probably the most mis-quoted or out of context quoted single person in history other than Trump himself is for all his shortcomings, probably the most passionate person in America to be concerned with people's health. I could go on and on about Tom Homan and Tulsi Gabbard, but I really think Trump has this time around an excellent team. Exceeded my expectations.
2. Presidential overreach? Clearly, from my point of view, the "checks and balances" isn't working. Look at the absolutely embarrassing state of our government! We were funding Israel AND HAMAS. Our tax dollars were out of control, and giving Congress "The Power of the Purse" was clearly the greatest mistake of our founding fathers since they convoluted the second amendment with a justification sentence. ANYONE who think Trump is overreaching by fixing the spending of the US with the DOGE team, etc. is clearly an enemy of the people of the United States. The Government spent WAY too much and that much is OBVIOUS. If you think Trump wasn't authorized to fix it on behalf of the millions of voters who overwhelmingly voted for him, then the authorizations should be fixed and lets be honest, Congress is so far corrupted that we can't rely on them to fix it at all. Even if Americans had clear and proper media explaining the shit congress has been up to, we wouldn't trust new candidates not to get immediately corrupted once they got elected, never mind the fact that most people just vote for a party, even though that party candidate is corrupt. We now know why the media was so complicit in government corruption, they got the lions share of bribes coming from USAID!
So yes, I really am happy Trump won, and I don't think the DOGE team is cutting enough or going fast enough for my liking. Quite frankly, I would be happier if Pam Bondi was out arresting all those responsible for this spending from Joe Biden, with his billion for Ukraine on condition they fire a prosecutor, all the way down to all the treasury employees who never denied a payment even though fraud was obvious. They betrayed the American people, and committed crimes. They should all be tried and hanged as far as im concerned. Overreach? Hardly.
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So, you're okay with due process being ignored as long as you're getting what you want? Try to remember that the next time a Democrat is in office and does the same thing.
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Due process isn't being ignored. What are you even talking about?
The President has complete control over what the executive branch does. Read the Constitution. It's Article II. Everything President Trump is doing are things that the Constitution allows the President to do.
Nope. The President has control over the executive branch, but not the right to violate the law. There are almost certainly CFAA and privacy law violations happening right now, for example, and being in charge of the executive branch doesn't relieve him of responsibility for that any more than being the CEO of a company relieves that person from complying with similar laws.
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The President has control over the executive branch, but not the right to violate the law.
The US president may not technically have the right but I thought your supreme court ruled that they could not be prosecuted for breaking the law, only congress can prosecute them. So, practically speaking, they is above the law as long as the opposition party don't control too much of congress or unless he does something bad enough to upset his own party. Effectively your president is now a monarch and can rule with impunity provided they do not annoy the "barons" in congress too much, just like the old-style European monarchs.
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The President has control over the executive branch, but not the right to violate the law.
The US president may not technically have the right but I thought your supreme court ruled that they could not be prosecuted for breaking the law, only congress can prosecute them.
No, the ruling is somewhat more narrow than that. It only covers official actions with the presumption of legality, basically, e.g. if he orders the National Guard to stop a BLM rally and people get killed, he can't be charged with manslaughter.
Also, even if we interpret it as broadly as possible, it still would have little to no impact on prosecuting everyone under him, including Musk et al.
So, practically speaking, they is above the law as long as the opposition party don't control too much of congress or unless he does something bad enough to upset his own party. Effectively your president is now a monarch and can rule with impunity provided they do not annoy the "barons" in congress too much, just like the old-style European monarchs.
Fortunately, this is not the case, but I fear that our current president believes that it is so.
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Many of his resent actions are constitutionally dodgy at BEST https://time.com/7212753/trump... [time.com] .
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Due process isn't being ignored. What are you even talking about?
If you don't like the budget, the proper course of action as specified in the Constitution is asking Congress to pass a new one. Did you fail civics?
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Due process isn't being ignored. What are you even talking about?
If you don't like the budget, the proper course of action as specified in the Constitution is asking Congress to pass a new one. Did you fail civics?
Yes, I suspect many people failed, ignored or forgot their civics lessons -- or simply don't care, as long as thet're getting what (they think, anyway) they want. As someone pointed out, if they're happy with Trump's behavior they should be onboard when a future Democrat does it, and perhaps for things they don't like. People can be so short-sighted, and I think that applies to Trump, Musk and Republicans here. The people they're harming or minimizing aren't going away, excepting the ones they're deporting.
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they should be onboard when a future Democrat does it
I don't need to wait 12+ years for that, as Biden have repeatedly already done that. Did you forget Biden admin cancelling student debts even after courts ruled against it?
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It's Biden's fault (and Congress) for leaving that money sitting around for years and not spending it on its intended purpose.
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You: Congress is corrupt and must be bypassed, therefore I'm going to put all my faith in a guy who is openly accepting bribes via a crypto coin.
That's just completely fucking nuts. And fascist.
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Re an earlier post in this thread:
I love how Politico, the biggest single recipient of bureaucratic "we buy your supermegapremium subs for millions of USD, in exchange for... well let's not talk about that" corruption
Various parts of the government have subscriptions to news sources. Some of these subscriptions were to Politico, a news source. I'm not sure why that is called "corruption." And, by the way... the subscriptions date to the first Trump administration.
Re your post:
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1. Staffing. I think Elon is a master organizer and the innovator of our time.
Um, Elon is a practitioner of the Silicon Valley ethic of "move fast and break things". This turns out to be effective when designing rockets: try something, it blows up, try something else, that blows up too, eventually you'll get it right.
It is not a good idea when what you are breaking is government that is operating. The idea "we'll just fire people even if we don't know what they do and how it relates to running the country, and see what happens" is not optimal in a nation where what the government does affects the lives of 334 million people.
The implication of the phrase "Make America Great Again" is that America is not great. I quote disagree with this.
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all the way down to all the treasury employees who never denied a payment even though fraud was obvious.
The people at the Treasury department are in charge of paying bills. They're not in charge of procurement. You're blaming the wrong people.
The people in charge of finding fraud would be the Inspector Generals of the various departments. Who Trump just fired. Call me cynical, but the number one reason to fire the people in charge of investigating fraud would be... because you want to be able to commit fraud.
(--sorry to post as AC. Just moderated this topic.)
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How is it cogent to say staffing is great because RFK is passionate about health and just ignore the fact that the man is an absolute menace to human health and wellbeing? He's not even a stopped clock, he's just a bizarre crank with a bunch of wildly idiotic and dangerous ideas that would, if actually implemented, harm tens of millions of people.
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I mean, just on RFK - you said,
>probably the most passionate person in America to be concerned with people's health
It doesn't matter if you're passionate if you don't understand a fucking thing about biology, epidemiology, or science in general. RFK is peak Dunning-Kruger.
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I think his biggest failure in term 1 was proper staffing. Turns out most of his staff were Washington insiders who were just as eager to fuck his agenda over as would have been had he literally just kept Obama's staff.
Weird. My perspective is that he surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men, and they pretty much let him screw up without any guard rails. It wasn't until late in his term that they actually started to realize that he had no idea what he was doing and started to rein him in.
1. Staffing. I think Elon is a master organizer and the innovator of our time.
He is not. He nearly bankrupted Twitter because he did exactly the sort of s**t that he is doing with the Federal government, and the only reason it is still around is because he is pumping his own money into it. Musk is not rich enough to bail out the federal government. This almost certainly will not end well, because he has no idea how to cut staff without screwing things up horribly. He also made similar mistakes at Tesla, and has not learned from that, which makes me relatively certain that he won't get it right this time, either.
Steve Jobs once said there comes a product every one in a while that changes everything, and he cited 3 products he worked on that were such products: the iPod, the Mac, and the iPhone. He said that he was lucky enough to be involved in
I worked under Steve Jobs. Elon Musk is no Steve Jobs.
3. Elon, it seems so far has 5: The electric drive train, FSD, the reusable rocket, Starlink, and lastly, X.
Hahahahah. Oh, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. He has had one real success, and that's the reusable rocket.
Electric drive trains existed long before Tesla. The only thing he did was manage to make them a commercial success, and most of the reason for that success was a willingness to spend the huge amounts of money needed to build up the infrastructure to move the industry forwards. There was nothing technically insurmountable, nor anything that anyone else with deep enough pockets couldn't have done. He simply was the one who provided the deep pockets.
FSD beta is a s**tshow. Each release manages to get scarier than the one before it, and that has been the case for about the last year. Now, it is exceeding the speed limit significantly, failing to stay in lanes far more than before, etc.
Starlink, again, is something that, assuming the existence of reusable rockets and the cheap launches that they made possible, literally anyone with deep enough pockets could have done. There are at least two or three other companies in the process of doing it right now. And I wouldn't exactly describe it as a commercial success. It's not a total failure, but it is a pale shadow of what it could be if it were priced correctly.
Robert F. Kennedy, who's probably the most mis-quoted or out of context quoted single person in history other than Trump himself is for all his shortcomings, probably the most passionate person in America to be concerned with people's health.
Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you have good ideas, though. His positions on health issues can best be described as "even a stopped clock is right twice a day", i.e. he is wrong so much more often than he is right that he should be written off as a complete kook.
I could go on and on about Tom Homan and Tulsi Gabbard, but I really think Trump has this time around an excellent team.
Those are the only two people that I don't think are approximately the least qualified, most inept possible choices for the job, and that may just be because I don't know anything about either of them.
It is quite obvious to everyone but the far right that President Trump doesn't want to surround himself with competent people. He wants people who will say yes no matter what he suggests. This me
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Good, start by doing away with Tesla subsidies.
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>> don't artificially make EVs cheaper
This is about chargers, not EV's. Meanwhile, why do ICE vehicles get to dump their exhaust into the atmosphere for free?
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The governments will of course change that as soon as the amount of EVs exceeds a certain level.
Then expect that there's going to be a driven distance fee coming in the future. Or more toll roads.
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Except that EVs aren't starting on equal footing with ICE vehicles. In my neck of the woods, there's a gas station practically on every major intersection. Off the top of my head, I think I pass by at least 6 gas stations on the way to the nearest SuperCharger station, and that's probably a low estimate. As for non-Tesla DCFC stations, nearby there's only one. No, not one station with several chargers, one single charger. If I didn't have charging at home, it wouldn't even be practical to own an EV, an
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But a 300 mile trip in an EV is ... fine, so what's the fuss? When I say fine, I mean there are tons of EVs that will do that trip on a single charge. Drive from A to B. Plug in at B. Do the things that you were intending to do at B. Go back to your car. Drive back to A. It's fine!