


Should Climate Change Be Acknowledged In Movies? (latimes.com) 126
The Los Angeles Times publishes a weekly "Boiling Point" newsletter about climate change and energy issues. And this week they examined whether the scientific fact of a change climate is reflected in the mass media:
For the second year running, nonprofit consulting firm Good Energy applied its Climate Reality Check to the actual Oscar-nominated films [which] tests whether a movie and its characters acknowledge global warming... Of last year's 13 Oscar-nominated films that met Good Energy's criteria (feature-length movies set in present-day or near-future Earth) three passed the test. This year, there were 10 eligible films. Only "The Wild Robot" passed...
Maybe a few years from now, studios will release a torrent of movies and shows reflecting the realities of a scary-but-still-salvageable world, helmed by producers and writers jolted into renewed awareness by the infernos. But for now, the picture is bleak. A peer-reviewed study slated for publication this month, led by Rice University English and environmental studies professor Matthew Schneider-Mayerson, analyzes climate change mentions in 250 of the most popular movies of the last decade. The authors found that just 12.8% of the films allude to global warming. Just 3.6% depict or mention the climate crisis in two or more scenes. "A lot of times, it's really being mentioned in passing," Schneider-Mayerson said...
[Good Energy Chief Executive Anna Jane Joyner] pointed to another analysis led by Schneider-Mayerson, which found that movies passing the Climate Reality Check and released in theaters earned 10% more at the box office, on average, than films failing the test. Netflix, meanwhile, says on its website that 80% of its customers "choose to watch at least one story on Netflix that helps them better understand climate issues or highlight hopeful solutions around sustainability...." [Netflix's "Sustainability Stories" collection includes Dr. Seuss' The Lorax, Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget, and Waterworld]
Sponsors are interested in selling audiences on climate-friendly products, too. I was sitting in a movie theater last weekend enjoying "Captain America: Brave New World" — the latest entry in Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe — when, to my surprise, Sam Wilson (Anthony Mackie) got out of his SUV and pulled his iconic red-white-and-blue shield out of the front trunk. Yes, a front trunk, where an internal combustion engine would normally be. That meant Captain America was driving an electric vehicle, right? Indeed, he was. I did some research after I got home and learned that Wilson was driving a GMC Hummer EV, the result of a paid partnership between Marvel Studios and GMC parent company General Motors.
Ironically, the movie does not at any point acknowledge global warming, the article points out (adding "Also, SUVs kill more pedestrians and cyclists than smaller cars.")
"But the more movies and TV shows spotlight climate solutions — electric vehicles, solar panels, induction stoves — the more likely people are to support those solutions. For Hollywood, that's a step in the right direction."
Maybe a few years from now, studios will release a torrent of movies and shows reflecting the realities of a scary-but-still-salvageable world, helmed by producers and writers jolted into renewed awareness by the infernos. But for now, the picture is bleak. A peer-reviewed study slated for publication this month, led by Rice University English and environmental studies professor Matthew Schneider-Mayerson, analyzes climate change mentions in 250 of the most popular movies of the last decade. The authors found that just 12.8% of the films allude to global warming. Just 3.6% depict or mention the climate crisis in two or more scenes. "A lot of times, it's really being mentioned in passing," Schneider-Mayerson said...
[Good Energy Chief Executive Anna Jane Joyner] pointed to another analysis led by Schneider-Mayerson, which found that movies passing the Climate Reality Check and released in theaters earned 10% more at the box office, on average, than films failing the test. Netflix, meanwhile, says on its website that 80% of its customers "choose to watch at least one story on Netflix that helps them better understand climate issues or highlight hopeful solutions around sustainability...." [Netflix's "Sustainability Stories" collection includes Dr. Seuss' The Lorax, Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget, and Waterworld]
Sponsors are interested in selling audiences on climate-friendly products, too. I was sitting in a movie theater last weekend enjoying "Captain America: Brave New World" — the latest entry in Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe — when, to my surprise, Sam Wilson (Anthony Mackie) got out of his SUV and pulled his iconic red-white-and-blue shield out of the front trunk. Yes, a front trunk, where an internal combustion engine would normally be. That meant Captain America was driving an electric vehicle, right? Indeed, he was. I did some research after I got home and learned that Wilson was driving a GMC Hummer EV, the result of a paid partnership between Marvel Studios and GMC parent company General Motors.
Ironically, the movie does not at any point acknowledge global warming, the article points out (adding "Also, SUVs kill more pedestrians and cyclists than smaller cars.")
"But the more movies and TV shows spotlight climate solutions — electric vehicles, solar panels, induction stoves — the more likely people are to support those solutions. For Hollywood, that's a step in the right direction."
The wonderful thing about science (Score:1)
It doesn't care whether you believe or acknowledge it, or not. It just is.
Re: The wonderful thing about science (Score:2)
You're describing reality. Science is just our interpretation.
Re: The wonderful thing about science (Score:2, Insightful)
.. he says,
On electronics produced by the free market
On the Internet which universalized out of a niche thing for the military and universities, due to the free market
On a website that is free for use, due to the free market.
So many fucking stupid socialists on slashdot. "Ugh recognizing my own hypocrisy is so exhausting."
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Ah, yes, electronics produced on the free labor markets of China, Vietnam and Malaysia.
On the internet, developed, as you yourself observe, with government grants paid by taxes.
On a website that is free to use because third parties collect private information and use it in nefarious ways.
You've owned yourself, outlining several undesirable consequences of lack of regulation.
And you call other people "stupid". elona, that you?
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Slashdot actually did once sell a (IIRC) two digit uid.
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Yeah, there was some story like that, but IIRC, they did it from available stock and didn't buy a crypto company to mine it for them.
Re: The wonderful thing about science (Score:3, Insightful)
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The free market is always undesirable.
What is desirable is a well-regulated, competitive market, just as the economic theory suggests.
But the illiterate fucktard lot swallow the politicised bullshit wholesale :)))
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The free market is always undesirable.
What is desirable is a well-regulated, competitive market, just as the economic theory suggests.
The economic theory is that to have the freest market (which can be determined by the degree to which it is competitive) you must have the necessary amount of regulation, because if not controlled judiciously a market will always become less free due to bad actors [adamsmithworks.org].
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There is no "free market" in modern economic theory. It is a political cliche, which means no regulations.
"The freest market" is bullshit that your right-wing politicians are using to peddle legal slavery.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Ah, Wikipedia, the educational resource of the willfully ignorant.
What does Conservapedia have to say about it?
How about the Absurdopedia?
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Ah, Wikipedia, the educational resource of the willfully ignorant.
The statement was that "there is no "free market" in modern economic theory." The wikipedia link adequately documents that free markets indeed are discussed in economic theory.
A more useful question would be, do free markets exist in the real world, outside of economic theory?
It's quite reasonable to suggest that no, they do not.
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Wikipedia documents nothing valuable.
Drop me a link from any economics textbook above 101 that discusses seriously the "free markets".
Here's a free one.
https://archive.org/details/ha... [archive.org]
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The willfully evil don't need an education, they run the gubbermint in the land of the free, the home of the brave.
Re:The wonderful thing about science (Score:5, Interesting)
If you can come up with a political economy other than the Democratic-Capitalist that isn't monstrously evil, let me know. You won't find it in the writings of Marx, their grotesque failure has been demonstrated time and time again.
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I prefer markets where regulations guarantee competitiveness in the interest of the consumer.
You can lick the balls of the owners of amazon.com and the like as much as you like. They've just bought your "democracy" wholesale. Enjoy.
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If you can come up with a political economy other than the Democratic-Capitalist that isn't monstrously evil, let me know.
Regulated free markets.
You won't find it in the writings of Marx, their grotesque failure has been demonstrated time and time again.
Correct, Marxism failed. That failure, by the way, was quite well predicted by Bakunin, who said quite publicly that Marx's "dictatorship of the proletatiat" will swiftly turn into a dictatorship, period. Nailed it. The take-away lesson is that not all socialists are Marxists.
(Of course, Bakunin's solutions don't work either. His concept was, basically, "why not have everybody be nice and work together?")
But the fact that one approach to improving the socioeconomic system didn't wor
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So, you prefer the unfree markets of command economies?
Objectively yes so, and so do you, you just don't know it. Basic economics dictates that free markets tend towards absolute monopolies and a horrendous outcome for consumers. You don't want a free market, you never have. You wanted what economists actually call a "perfect market". A market where competition drives efficiency and keeps costs down. The way to achieve this is through regulation.
But before you even consider that concept you need to understand the world is not black and white. The opposite of th
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There is no free market where there is a central bank.
The problem is the money.
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Tell me Walmart is not a command economy.
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Hello, elona, how are the savings from DoGE coming? Did you learn how 8 with six zeros is different from 8 with nine zeros yet?
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elona, but they did come from behind... and aimed for penetration.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/c... [forbes.com]
Easy question (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re: Easy question (Score:2)
like driving past a solar/wind farm
Product placement. You want it? You pay for it.
Depicting Taco Bell as the winner of the Franchise Wars didn't come for free.
Re: Easy question (Score:2)
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Is it relevant to the story the writers are trying to tell? Then sure. If not, then no.
+1 insightful!
If climate change has nothing to do with the movie, no, don't put it there?
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One could always have a five second scene where two characters are talking. One says something to the effect, "Summer is gonna be even hotter than last year." To which the second might respond, "Wasn't like this twenty years ago. Be nice if it was."
Or maybe make reference to a certain crop not being available except at high prices, such as coffee or chocolate [nbcnews.com].
There are ways to incorporate climate change into (select
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'Luke, I am your father. Also, isn't it getting a bit warm?"
They already did that (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:They already did that (Score:5, Insightful)
"Forced references" are exactly what this organization wants, yes.
Re: They already did that (Score:2, Informative)
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Well, if ticking a box is all that's needed, then I propose each movie to have a line like "global Warming is real, folks!" tucked somewhere inside the closing credits, for each movie. /s
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No idea, I skip closing credits :)
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Hollywood is all about these references.
In the 80's It was all about post apocalypse movies because Reagan/Thatcher was going to start WWIII. Also during that time there was scenes of drivers just fastening their seat belt, or commenting about how smoking is bad if someone smoked on screen.
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Re: They already did that (Score:2)
It was post apocolyptic for the socialists. Theyre still crying over the Reagan/Thatcher defeat of Comintern.
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Excellent. For all movies (Score:2)
Re:Excellent. For all movies (Score:4, Funny)
"Bless yore beautiful tires
Wherever you may be
We ain't met yet but I'm a'willin' to bet
You're the truck for me"
Re:Excellent. For all movies (Score:4, Funny)
Chicks and ducks and geese do a runner
When I take you out in the Hummer
When I take you out in the Hummer with the fringe on top
Marketing at its finest (Score:2, Informative)
A certain segment of the population just loves be told how virtuous they are. They are dopamine junkies. All the do seek pleasure and avoid pain.
There is literally nothing easier they could do feel virtuous and validated by nodding their head in agreement with some techno-greenie-fascist messaging that enables to feel like they are part of some kind of group and their mere membership in the group is 'doing something'
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A certain segment of the population just loves be told how virtuous they are. They are dopamine junkies. All the do seek pleasure and avoid pain.
There is literally nothing easier they could do feel virtuous and validated by nodding their head in agreement with some techno-greenie-fascist messaging that enables to feel like they are part of some kind of group and their mere membership in the group is 'doing something'
And these people are upset that reality keeps leaking into their orange fascist world. They've worked very hard to make sure that no trace of what is really going on penetrates their Fox News shield.
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Hollywood doesn't dare (Score:5, Informative)
They had a brilliant movie, Don't Look Up, four years ago.
Half the people dismissed it as woke propaganda. The public doesn't care, doesn't want to see, "none of my business!"
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Interesting thing there was a draught in Rome and Latin areas in 2022 See how Tevere water level was low [rainews.it]
You can make some disaster movie following some actual news facts related to climate change.
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It was woke propaganda.
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There's a ton you could do:
* Having no more than two children is a good start
* Having one car for your household instead of two or three
* Driving your car economically without extreme acceleration
* Walking, riding a bicycle or using public transport instead of using your car
* Selling/giving away your old smartphones/TVs/whatever instead of letting them rot in your garage or throwing them away
* Taking the train instead of flying (if it's possible and feasible)
I
The Water Knife (Score:4, Informative)
Ultimately, though, Hollywood is a business, and (most) projects only get greenlit when studios see there's money to be made. There's unfortunately not a lot of money to be made in polemics, no matter how entertaining.
Not worth reporting on. (Score:1)
CLimate change (Score:1)
my favorite climate friendly [movie] product... (Score:1)
Phuck some ignoramouses bugging us all the time with their particular political message, on our leisure time.
Maybe this is controlled opposition for MAGA, just pissing people off with intrusive climate messaging.
Reminds me of one Rice University prof in the early 1970s claiming there was a problem with a lack of new [strategic metal] mercury reserves being disco
Ask a simple question (Score:2)
Do this one thing if you want your movies to fail! (Score:2)
Seriously, do it. Cram in all the Forced References you want.
Then, when you go broke because no one will pay to watch your climate change tripe, new creators will pop up to replace your now-dead, staid legacy business, and make films we want to watch.
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Well, your first line is 100% spot on but I seriously doubt your second line will come to life. Hollywood will just double down after insulting the intelligence of the viewers.
politics in cinema (Score:4, Insightful)
Take those same rants and shoehorn them into the middle of a superhero movie about explosions and man vs gods, and now you're not in the same universe. Now those rants stick out like a bug in my soup. That's the wrong way to do it. Or as I said before on Slashdot. Take TOS. It pushed a lot of leftist themes, but it was in line with the universe. Lt Uhura was on the bridge and that was that. If they had made it a huge deal and included long rants about how a strong black woman deserves to replace a white man it would have pissed me off even though I don't care about race. But even if I had started out racist just having her there on the bridge, just another member of the crew? That may convince me maybe black people are just humans like you and me.
One more thing: James Bond, a series of movies about a white male spy who goes around womanizing and using preposterous devices.. It's about fast cars and explosions, with money, luxury, and clever one-liners. They had to start injecting diversity into the Bond universe. I wouldn't have cared if you made your own universe featuring all the wokeness you like. And that's why you had to mess with the Bond universe. It wasn't about making your own art, it was about ruining someone else's. That's why it pisses me off. I don't give a toss about whether a protagonist is black, white, green, male, female, or androgynous. I care about internally consistent movies that are well-written and don't disrespect me by preaching at me and shoehorning things into my franchise that don't fit. See also: Terminator, Star Wars, various super hero franchises.
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I can only speak for myself, but I personally don't care what universe a movie is in. i.e. I don't care what assumptions they're making it about the world. If you think the evil white man is keeping women down but you don't push that one me with far-fetched plot points, inappropriate dialogue and poor actor choices I may enjoy your movie just the same. It's not your beliefs that bother me, it's the poor quality of movies that attempt to force those beliefs into my brain with ham handed rants and blatant plot devices that make the movie inconsistent or unbelievable for its universe. Take The Day After Tomorrow. It's set in a world where we're all gonna die because climate. I enjoyed the movie despite disagreeing with its premise and despite the laughable physics because it was consistent. There may even have been a rant or two about the climate in there, it's fine because it fit the movie.
Good post.
I was on a jetboat ferry from Naples to Key West when they were playing that movie. I was laughing so hard and often that the wife had to elbow me to quiet down. But yes, it was about climate. So while having sketchy physics, and that last scene where astronauts revel how clear the atmosphere while not even thinking about the billions dead took me from laughing to WTF. Wife told me very subtly maybe I could get a short nap in before we got to Key West.
Take those same rants and shoehorn them into the middle of a superhero movie about explosions and man vs gods, and now you're not in the same universe. Now those rants stick out like a bug in my soup. That's the wrong way to do it.
We're there to be entertained, and when "Th
A huge NO! (Score:2)
I know, right? (Score:2)
Now don't get me wrong, if a mention of global warming has an integral place, then sure. And documentary movies of course. But a lot of times, indeed most of the time, I watch a movie to get away from the world, and relax a bit.
If I read the tea leaves correctly, this whole thing is the checkbox culture getting ready to demand more of their kook
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Heck yeah (Score:2)
Absolutely not, at least as FACT... (Score:1)
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Yes. (Score:3)
This is totally what Gladiator 2 needed.
Maximus Jr. steps into the arena. A faceless gladiator enters the arena opposite him, to thunderous applause. A bead of sweat drips down Max Jr's forehead.
Maximus Jr. : Its really hot out today, I wish the emperor would do something about climate change.
Faceless Gladiator: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE AWAY MY INTERNAL COMBUSTIAN ENGINE TRUCK, I NEED IT FOR WORK!
Their swords clash.
No (Score:2)
Re: No (Score:2)
Are the richest man in the world and a guy that shits in a gold toilet in some way not "elite"?
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Ah, Waterworld (Score:2)
Where everything is drowned in water, but apparently nobody has taken a bath in five years.
Fear Sells (Score:2)
Fear sells.
Be not afraid - fear dampens right action.
I'd rather more movies show the homeless veterans with PTSD living on the streets but they won't do that. Almost like they don't want movies to be used to highlight important social issues.
If they want to show the ocean being 2cm higher than it was in 1900 that doesn't bother me. Hardly a dramatic plot device, though.
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An easier test to pass (Score:2)
This just draws attention away from the much simpler Bechdel test, which movies still fail regularly.
Been there, done that (Score:2)
Sigh (Score:2)
If it is part of the story then sure, have it in there. If not, then no, and don't try to shoehorn it into the story.
Make all the documentaries about it that you want, but movies are supposed to be for entertainment and escapism, not activism.
The purpose of popular film (Score:2)
No. The purpose of film is to escape reality, not relive it.
Why do you think superhero action movies are so popular? Reality bites.
Hays Code V2? (Score:2)
It won't work. Because the simple act of placing something as susceptible to current political fashion will reveal the "science" for what it is.
Try applying these tests to "The Day After Tomorrow" and see how many red flags pop up. And yet, in it's day, the depiction of climate disaster in major media productions was lauded by "climate scientists". Even if the science was shit. The important thing was the message of impending doom. But if the story keeps changing, pretty soon the audience just calls bullsh
Movies are unwatchable enough already surely (Score:2)
The question makes the assumption that there is something happening to the climate that is important enough to perhaps require 'acknowledgment', presumably meaning mentioning or featuring in the plot.
This is very commonly believed here and on other similar US forums, but it has to be accepted that it is a minority view. Its a minority view within the USA, and even then, the USA is in a minority in having a significant body of opinion on these lines. China, for instance, you will find that the political cl
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I agree with you. People suggesting this is absurd. Yeah, maybe next in Hollywood movies they can start posting content that's better for the environment if you work your low wage job, just accept it, don't take sick days, and even take a pay cut as if you have less money you'll less things that cause pollution. Maybe eventually that a class based system helps the economy and environment to be more sustainable.
What a joke.
I'm doing my part (Score:2)
I'm reducing the environmental impact Hollywood has, to less power consumption through data centers, internet transport, and their sets, by not buying their movies and / or watching them,
This will have a positive impact on the environment. Remember, the first step starts with you.
If people are trying to get info from movies... (Score:2)
Not unless it's fundamentally relevant. (Score:3)
People who are very emotionally invested into political issues frequently believe their issue is of such utmost importance that everyone should be thinking about it all the time (and thinking it about it in a way they approve of). Maybe that's even true for issues like climate change, considering the potential consequences... but the reality is that approaching it that way ignores human psychology. If you are constantly preaching to people about something all the time and invading their hobbies with your preaching, they're going to tune you out or become hostile. That's just how people work. If you are trying to actually reach people and motivate them, to win them over to your side, you need nuance, finesse, subtlety. Repeatedly bashing them over the head with your beliefs is just not going to be effective. And the people who might be inclined to ask the question "Should Climate Change Be Acknowledged In Movies" generally do not strike me as the kind of people capable of the finesse required to effectively convey their message without making a nuisance of themselves to the people they are trying to reach.
So the short answer to the question is simply "no." But if that's insufficient and you really feel strongly about the topic, then at the very least tell a story where climate change is the focus, don't try to wedge it into something unrelated. Like with Unix, entertainment media and art benefit from "doing one thing and doing it well." Focus is important; by losing focus, you dilute what you are trying to achieve. Trying to account for everything doesn't leave sufficient room to effectively address anything. So, if climate change is what matters most to you, put your heart into making something compelling that illustrates how you feel about it, so that you can craft a really compelling narrative about that topic and how you see it. And just maybe, if you do a really good job, people might begin to understand why you see things that way.
Re: "Scientific fact" (Score:1)
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sure thing MAGA
Re:"Scientific fact" (Score:5, Insightful)
They probably think that they're helping the cause of environmentalism, but instead they're pissing people off and convincing them to vote for people like Trump
Horseshit. Those people were always going to vote for Trump and the only excuse they need is that he isn't telling them that humanity's behaviors have to change to caring about others. Nobody who finds that message compelling was ever going to vote in favor of human rights.
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Stop huffing your own farts. You have to get oxygen some other way, dude.
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A perfect illustration of the point that drinkypoo raised. Staying quiet wouldn't influence parent's behavior one iota, but merely ensure that nothing inconveniences their little bubble.
Well, that is, until they get priced out of their home [reuters.com] or drop their insurance like a dumbass, because the capitalists aren't going to subsidize their FAFO costs.
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Stop huffing your own farts. You have to get oxygen some other way, dude.
Obviously. Farts are CO2, hydrogen, and maybe methane depending on the person. They are only up to about 25% swallowed air, so you can't possibly get enough oxygen to survive that way, even if you are farting continuously, as your posting history suggests.
Re: "Scientific fact" (Score:2)
Don't forget the hydrogen sulphide for those people with a diet rich in cruciferous vegetables.
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Yeah, that frog is never going to boil. Humans are just really bad at thinking long term. If there's anything that gives the US power, it's reliance on oil. It's the only thing propping up the US Dollar. All of our brands are still made overseas - that façade can walk out the door any time the dollar falters.
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They don't "believe in" it, it's not some wacky religion/cult. They acknowledge it.
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Wasn't Cameron's Climate Change Orgy called "Avatar" not preachy enough?
I thought Avatar was a parable about the Gulf war?
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Avatar was just a retelling of a story told numerous times before. My favorite version of the story is Dances with Wolves with Kevin Costner but another version of the story is The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise.
All three movies tell a story about a guy from one culture that gets put into the center of another culture. Guy then proceeds to fall in love with that culture while becoming increasingly critical of his origins. All these culminate with some kind of battle where the guy joins his new adopted culture
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Ohh, I forgot about Fern Gully. That was much better then Avatar though not as good as Dances with Wolves.
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