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Utah Passes First US App Store Age Verification Law (progresschamber.org) 44

Utah has become the first U.S. state to pass legislation requiring app store operators to verify users' ages and obtain parental consent for minors downloading apps.

The App Store Accountability Act adds to a wave of children's online safety bills advancing through state legislatures nationwide. Similar legislation has faced legal challenges, with many being blocked in courts. A comparable federal bill failed last year amid free expression concerns.

The approach shifts verification responsibility to mobile app stores rather than individual websites, a move supported by Meta, Snap, and X in a joint statement urging Congress to follow suit. "Parents want a one-stop shop to verify their child's age and grant permission," they stated. Critics, including Chamber of Progress, warn the law threatens privacy and constitutional rights. A federal judge previously blocked a similar Utah law over First Amendment concerns.

Utah Passes First US App Store Age Verification Law

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  • I approve! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:50PM (#65214001) Homepage

    If the age verification only applies to apps, it means web sites will stop creating stupid apps that are really just wrappers around web sites, and start making their product work in a normal web browser. Unintended consequences FTW!

    • by mysidia ( 191772 )

      That would suggest the App store then has to verify age before allowing access to a "Web browser", since Web browser can be used to access age-restricted content

      • I guess the devils in the details. Your take could be true; but it could also carve out programs which come preinstalled, are unable to be deleted, and are unavailable to download from the App Store. Frankly, I’m only mildly curious as I moved out of theocratic Utah years ago.
  • Kids can only do it because the parents don't monitor what's going on. They won't go that route because it's bad for getting reelected.

  • I wonder if lawmakers know what it is...
  • Age verification is as hard to get around as a speed bump. Computers are stupid compared to kids and most adults.
    • Re:Im sure (Score:4, Insightful)

      by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @01:51AM (#65214069)

      Age verification is about plausible deniability. It's the modern equivalent of putting nudie rags in brown bags at the newsstand and requiring ID to buy one. It wasn't hard to get your "cool" buddy who's a senior in hs to buy one and share with the sophomores etc. Or to find Dad's stash of porn at home or whatever.

      • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

        Or buy alcohol, see a restricted rated movie, cigarettes, cough medicine, etc. I bought Mucinex with dextromethorphan (cough suppressant) and got halted at the self checkout for ID verification. To my knowledge, theres no way to abuse guaifenesin or dextromethorphan to get high. So if they can age check these then I dont see much difference on digital content. They already have ESRB for video games. Technically if its M+ then the cashier is supposed to deny sales to a minor, I think. I was already way older

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        • by nasch ( 598556 )

          There are privacy implications when verifying age online. In a store, the clerk can check your ID and nothing about you is stored. Online, we would have to trust that an age verifier isn't going to store (and sell) potentially very valuable information about its users.

          They already have ESRB for video games.

          Which is voluntary, just like movie ratings. It would be unconstitutional to enact in law.

          • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

            I dont know. If the courts fight back and cave to the free speech argument it could really have dire consequences. If some onlyfans skank claims its her free speech rights to show her pussy for $$ to a 16yr old; you could essentially throw every CSAM law out the window for the same free speech argument. Suddenly forcing 10yr olds to pose nude could be argued as speech like burning a flag. I dont know if the justices are willing to gamble thst hard. Not when a 18yo is not being denied, only inconvenienced.

            • by nasch ( 598556 )

              The right to privacy and anonymity do not imply the right to distribute child porn. These questions have already been adjudicated and have not led to the horrors you predict.

    • Age verification is as hard to get around as a speed bump.

      I don't know what roads are like where you live, but speed bumps aren't usually particularly easy to avoid. Unless you want to go off-roading, I guess (which would probably slow you down even more, and might scare the pedestrians).

    • Kids ten, fifteen years ago maybe. There was a time when the trope of the young child knowing more about computers than their parents was often true. Kids today? They know how to consume, but they have absolutely no idea how to do anything on a computer that isn't brandished in front of them. Hell, many of them have never used a computer other than a school-issued chromebook, because their tablet or phone is all they need.
  • by fishfrys ( 720495 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @02:46AM (#65214115)
    It seems like Utah is forcing citizens to give PII to the people we'd all least like to have it. Probably easy to bypass for those we'd like to help avoid these sites and a honeytrap for those who're trying to be honest. Even in the old days, we all got our hands on a Penthouse or Hustler. They didn't require the purchasers to put their SSNs into a database, let alone one owned by criminals.
  • They get to now have people fill out detailed personal information, social security, banking information, collect biometrics, location tracking, maybe even require sending in a blood sample for age analysis and DNA sequencing - all in the name to ensuring the user is an adult. Then of course sell that to the merchants to focus advertising and set prices to extract maximum value out of their products.
  • by bleedingobvious ( 6265230 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @03:19AM (#65214153)

    ...it has ZERO FRICKEN CLUE about how technology works. But that's perfectly fine because feelings.

    Next up, there'll be laws demanding back doors in everything. And a law demanding the Moon be rotated once a year.

    • To me, it makes a lot of sense.

      The phone maker (Apple, Samsung, Google, etc) have the information required to do age verification. It wouldn't be a heavy lift to incorporate an API call for age verification from the handset via AppStore or some other app.

      The App Store could be the place for this functionality, or it could be extended from the device's wallet, which already is starting to have functionality for storing digital IDs. Even if you use a 3rd party App Store or side load, the apps would still be a

    • by nasch ( 598556 )

      Next up? The UK is already headed there, having demanded that Apple back door all their encryption for all users worldwide.

  • by NotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @08:12AM (#65214385)

    ... parental consent for minors ...

    Do Meta/Alphabet/X/ByteDance need parental approval to sell this data? Do they need to provide any encryption of, or insurance on, this data? Are there mandated time-limits and deletion procedures about storing this data? Then, there's a legal conflict: Utah is demanding corporations collect PII about children while the COPPA forbids that very behaviour.

    Once again, we see the victim (the parent) doesn't have a duty of care to protect the child from making bad choices.

  • by FictionPimp ( 712802 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @08:33AM (#65214411) Homepage

    Do law makers know that web browsers can do anything most mobile apps can? In fact most mobile apps are just web apps in wrappers?

    • It doesn't matter how the thing is accessed. As long as it is accessed from the device, the browser (which is just another app) could use the age verification facility being mandated. I mean, why not? Your browser functionality could easily be extended and W3C standards created for facilitating age verification from any web site.

      The discussion for whether or not age verification is a good idea is another issue entirely.

  • Are you under 21 Yes/no, Yes, Give us your parents email so we can validate. NO, welcome... How do you validate someone is your parent and not just a secondary account. Its not like kids would lie about this....
  • If you're a minor and you run a Debian-based OSs, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and where it says "age=55" (or however many years after 1970 that it was, when you installed) change it to "age=17" in order to get the restrictions.

  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @09:45AM (#65214555)
    Seems to me that regardless of whether it is a good or bad idea, it may have too great an impact on interstate commerce for a single State to impose it.
  • by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Thursday March 06, 2025 @11:13AM (#65214795)
    Let juveniles own flip phones only

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