340 European Cities Restrict Usage of Cars (msn.com) 205
Cities in Europe "are dramatically scaling back their relationship with the car," reports the Washington Post:
They are removing parking spaces and creating dedicated bike lanes. They are installing cameras at the perimeter of urban centers and either charging the most-polluting vehicles or preventing them from entering. Some are going so far as to put entire neighborhoods off-limits to vehicles. In Norway, Oslo promotes "car-free livability." Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo touts the "end of car dependence." And while those ideas might sound radical to car-loving Americans, they are fast becoming the norm across the Atlantic, where 340 European cities and towns — home to more than 150 million people — have implemented some kind of restrictions on personal car usage...
[V]irtually every major European city is imposing some kind of rule. Milan has a system similar to New York's, charging for access to the city core — while entirely banning older, highly polluting vehicles. London charges vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, in what it calls the "largest clean-air zone in the world." The programs are not just the purview of liberal Western Europe: Warsaw, Poland, and Sofia, Bulgaria, recently adopted similar schemes. Even little Italian villages have added vehicle restrictions to reinforce their historic feel. And the Netherlands just broke ground on a 12,000-person neighborhood that will be entirely car-free. The neighborhood, known as Merwede, will be connected by public transport to Utrecht, a medium-size city that — perhaps no surprise — has a low-emissions zone of its own...
Perhaps the most elaborate and transformative effort has come in Paris, where Anne Hidalgo was elected mayor in 2014. Since then, Paris has banned the most-polluting vehicles from the city, eliminated 50,000 parking spaces and added hundreds of miles of bike lanes. It turned a bank of the Seine from a busy artery into a pedestrian zone, and closed off the famed Rue de Rivoli to traffic... Journeys by car in Paris have dropped by about 45 percent since 1990. The city has now become a source for striking before-and-after photos: of clogged streets that have transitioned into tree-lined areas where people can walk and play.
In London government officials say inhalable particular matter has fallen, according to the article, while combustion-produced nitrogen dioxide "is 53% lower than it would have been without the restrictions."
[V]irtually every major European city is imposing some kind of rule. Milan has a system similar to New York's, charging for access to the city core — while entirely banning older, highly polluting vehicles. London charges vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, in what it calls the "largest clean-air zone in the world." The programs are not just the purview of liberal Western Europe: Warsaw, Poland, and Sofia, Bulgaria, recently adopted similar schemes. Even little Italian villages have added vehicle restrictions to reinforce their historic feel. And the Netherlands just broke ground on a 12,000-person neighborhood that will be entirely car-free. The neighborhood, known as Merwede, will be connected by public transport to Utrecht, a medium-size city that — perhaps no surprise — has a low-emissions zone of its own...
Perhaps the most elaborate and transformative effort has come in Paris, where Anne Hidalgo was elected mayor in 2014. Since then, Paris has banned the most-polluting vehicles from the city, eliminated 50,000 parking spaces and added hundreds of miles of bike lanes. It turned a bank of the Seine from a busy artery into a pedestrian zone, and closed off the famed Rue de Rivoli to traffic... Journeys by car in Paris have dropped by about 45 percent since 1990. The city has now become a source for striking before-and-after photos: of clogged streets that have transitioned into tree-lined areas where people can walk and play.
In London government officials say inhalable particular matter has fallen, according to the article, while combustion-produced nitrogen dioxide "is 53% lower than it would have been without the restrictions."
What about cargo? (Score:3)
Bikes and walking are great, for people
Cargo is a different question
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The reason poor renters are expelled from city centers is landlords literally expelling them to put the place on more lucrative tourist rentals (Airbnb). Related to cars I have the same experience as in TFS about the before/after pictures. I live in a small/mid city. Mayor decided to build bike lanes. My street in particular was reduced from two-ways/tow lanes to one-way/one lane as a result. People complain that the pavement stones (for pedestrians) aren't of great quality, but they don't complain about fe
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Plus new shops are now opening. A fruit lady who sells products from her family farm; an immigrant men's barber, a music shop, an optician. People now *walk* in my street and that's a massive advantage for shop owners.
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In a more healthier city, they'd be able to afford a nice house and commute by car to a local business district.
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Your comment isn't representative of how small/mid size cities works. There isn't a business district, office buildings could be present very near residential and shopping. People could choose to live two blocks away from office, though most people don't, they choose to live halfway between the workplaces of the couple. Those who work in industry can live downtown and go work in the suburbs, or (for big industries) use private bus lines that some big companies operate to pick up employees.
At one hour distan
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The reason poor renters are expelled from city centers is landlords literally expelling them to put the place on more lucrative tourist rentals (Airbnb).
BS. AirBnB even in New York was less than 1% of the total housing (it peaked at around 38k, out of the total 3.8m), it's even more negligible in places like Seattle or SF. The reason poor people are displaced is called "economics". If the landlords can rent at higher cost, they will.
And before you mention it, rent control to force landlords to keep renting at below-market prices, only makes the matters worse.
And the mayor got re-elected. After effectively living there, people see the advantage of fewer cars.
Yeah, not having to rub elbows with _regular_ people. That barista? Screw them. They can live in t
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The reason poor people are displaced is called "economics".
The situation of short-term tourist rentals has degraded "economics" in a way that several large cities in touristic areas are banning them. Here a recent write up https://www.explore.com/163198... [explore.com]
rent control to force landlords to keep renting at below-market prices, only makes the matters worse.
Some places have such rules to much appraise of older citizens.
They can live in the boonies and waste 4 hours of their life every day on commutes.
This isn't the situation we have. You can consult the statistics below for France, by city/district. The entire map is colour coded for 20-55 minutes. Being above 1 hour would only occur in the largest metropolises.
https://www.observatoire-des-t... [observatoi...es.gouv.fr]
Re: What about cargo? (Score:2)
TL;DR
Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
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Care to explain? I live in such a city, and i'd call it anything but shitty with these changes happening. There are always some complainers, but i love these changes.
There is always a lot of push back when things are made more pedestrial/bicycle friendly, but it's really nice.In the end i just need my car for things that are not in the city, not for doing my groceries or visiting friends or .... And if it's *really* needed the car is still an option, just less convenient than it used to be, and that's ok :)
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I live in one part of London and work in a different part.
I love all these changes. I bike to work daily now, get shopping by bike. I even used the local cargo bike rental scheme to pick up some furniture a while back.
Here' the thing, 64% of people in my borough already have no access to a car on a regular basis. These are all people who lie and work in London. Making stuff better for them helps the majority.
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And every time a city becomes just a bit more shittier. It's a universal law of urbanism: the more "pedestrian" the city, the worse it is for people living there.
What opposite dimension are you living in? What you're saying is objectively backwards. Reducing car dependence and pedestrianizing the city has untold benefits and appeals to virtually everyone who lives there. Safer, quieter, more pleasant to be in, the removal of cars universally comes with expanded alternate travel forms, cleaner air, no more being stuck in traffic, just to name the few off the top of my head.
It's not some deep conspiracy to ruin cities for people, it's the people voting to reclaim thei
Re: What about cargo? (Score:2)
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That's the opposite of what happens whenever we try bike lanes in the US, at least where I live. Few bicyclists use the new lanes, businesses suffer losses, and delivery trucks block the bike lanes anyway due to lax enforcement. It always benefits a tiny, vocal minority of cyclists that own expensive condos downtown that want to be able to bike everywhere when the sun is out.
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delivery trucks block the bike lanes anyway due to lax enforcement. It always benefits a tiny, vocal minority of cyclists
How the fuck do you think a bike lane blocked by delivery trucks benefits ANYONE? It doesn't. Not even the "tiny, vocal minority". The reason the bike lanes are crap is you (America) are crap at infrastructure. Somehow you dedicate vast amounts of space to it, while making it do dangerous and unpleasant that no one but the most insane would ever dare using it.
The solution is not to say "w
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It is difficult to staple some bike infrastructure onto largely car-centric cities. Even in the UK, which is much less far down the car-centric road than the US, we see this. We have some terrible bike lanes. And some really nice bike lanes that suddenly disappear.
It takes time unfortunately.
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And some really nice bike lanes that suddenly disappear.
This illustrates to car drivers what cycling infrastructure feels like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckc... [reddit.com]
Re: What about cargo? (Score:3)
They introduce bike lanes to create more car congestion so people won't drive. (Few people actually use them.)
They ban cars from neighborhoods to limit travel. Then because there's no alternative they can charge high prices to take a train. Planes are being banned in Europe for shorter distances - less than 500 km. So you can't even fly. It's a perfect way to control a population. It's a form of subtle authoritarianism. You are a prisoner in your urban area surrounded by constant propaganda of how wonderful
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It's so funny: the Tory councils in London's outer boroughs that fought so hard to impose the expansion of London's ultra low emissions zone have seen the largest decreases in air pollution since it came in to force. It's like they actively want to hurt themselves. It's like they don't give a shit about the people they represent.
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Correction: oppose, not impose. The Conservative councils opposed the imposition of the ULEZ.
As I live near the South Circular and go along it by foot or bicycle most days, I was very happy to see the ULEZ expanded and then the recent follow-up data that shows that it was effective.
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As I live near the South Circular and go along it by foot or bicycle most days,
Jesus, brave man (bike I mean)! I live sightly inside and fortunately my commute to work (near old street) is almost exclusively through LTNs and off roads, and other areas where car traffic has been substantially curtailed.
I to was very happy to see the ULEZ, the pollution is pretty bad. I'm basically happy with all the measures they put in other than that I'd prefer most of them to go further.
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Sure, but you don't need big roads or lots of parking space for cargo. Every pedestrian zone around the world works fine with vehicles only entering it for cargo delivery.
I'm always amazed when I go to cities that predate the automobile by hundreds of years just how well they manage with deliveries to thousands of businesses inside their city centres.
Point in short, this is not an issue as Europe hasn't had to knock down its historic cities to accommodate cargo transport.
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And the horses shits piled up feet thick
Disease was rampant
And the insects... you got no idea the mass of insects endless piles of shit can support
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That was then. Nowadays they use small delivery vehicles.
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"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave""
And you like it that way? Being literally imprisoned in a small area, unable to ever leave?
Being European, I supposed you do.
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People live in these areas own a car, keep it some hundred meters away, outside the pedestrian area or underground park.
When moving from a small town (where cars are very useful due to larger distances) to a bigger city, the question of the car will arise, and friends will tell you to not take the car with you: there will be no need for it, and it will bring unnecessary inconveniences. In some cities, waiting for the next bus is faster and closer to home than driving around the neighbourhood in circles unti
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As soon as the parking spots are vanishing, the cars disappear, and people walk.
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We are not getting rid of them, they did not exist in the first place. Most streets and currently standing building in cities like Paris predate motorized transportation.
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oh look it's a 15 minute city conspiracy theorist.
the place where most people are literally imprisoned is good old America, Home of the Free, Land of the Incarcerated.
The point is not that you cannot leave, because you manifestly can, despite the multitude of conspiracy theories and lies to the contrary. The point is that you aren't obliged to do so for most day to day tasks.
Somehow people have taken the idea that it's good to have shops, doctors schools and even work within 15 minutes of where you live and
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Deliver at night?
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Or use a small vehicle. The piaggio was built for historic italian cities which have very narrow roads.
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Cargo traffic can be carried as normal. 99% of the traffic is non-cargo after all. Shops get deliveries overnight and during the day it's customer traffic. Most shops also only get deliveries once a week or so, except maybe supermarkets which get deliveries daily.
One cargo van per shop per week is hardly any traffic anyone cares about. Especially when it happens at quiet times. Many cities often have rules that say deliveries must take place between midnight ant 6AM, for example to avoid cargo vans from clo
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I am living in one of those cities. Deliveries work fine.
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Bikes and walking are great, for people
Cargo is a different question
Cargo is not cars. None of these rules completely block the use of an engine for travel, though some stringent ones are looking at imposing rules to only allow for EV delivery trucks.
This is about reducing car usage in general. There's really no need for most people to own cars in the cities that are imposing these rules. Car sharing is a concept that works and all the places in question have excellent alternate infrastructure making car dependence optional rather than essential (as in many of the world's c
Re:Watch the YouTuber Adam Something (Score:4, Insightful)
Personal automobiles are a blight on our civilization that only exist to enrich car companies.
Personal vehicles are one of the greatest contributors to individual freedom in human history.
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And there was me thinking it was democracy. Nope it's CARS!
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Personal automobiles are a blight on our civilization
Nah. Urbanists are a blight on the civilization. All they can do is to sabotage and destroy the infrastructure that was left to them by the ancestors. They are completely useless and clueless to the damage they do to the fabric of society.
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That indeed has happened. My city was built on two heavy industries -- coal and ship building. All of our roads were built to carry large numbers of people on foot or bike because that it how they got to the pits and the docks, with just the rich owners using cars. Over time, we did indeed throw much of that away and turn it in to space for car parking.
Still, the advantage is that now, when we look to support active travel again, the houses are often far enough apart to make it possible.
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There are always some jobs for which it is not going to work well; although, sitting in traffic jams caused by cars is equally not working well. People adapt. If you employ 1000 people across multiple companies, I am sure you will be able to think of something; the changes will probably be far smaller than you think.
Public transport in America (Score:3, Informative)
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Cars always win on average, except for hellscapes like Manhattan that had literal generations of enshittification.
The good news is that all this transit nonsense will die within a decade, when self-driving cars become common.
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From my experience, the fastest in Berlin is the bicycle for short distances, and the S-Bahn for long distances. Cars are only fast after 8 p.m. or before 6 a.m.. Dresden, the city I was born, is slightly better with cars, but for short distances, bicycle still wins. As a child, I often did this as a private competition. For my current place, Innsbruck, Austria, bicycle wins every time. I was working as a field
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Cars are only fast after 8 p.m. or before 6 a.m..
I lived in Berlin. Cars are faster, when you factor in the time to walk to the station. And Berlin is probably the best transit-enabled city, but its average commute still can't match the commute time in car-enabled American cities. Houston, TX has faster average commutes than ANY large European city.
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Public transit in Europe is fantastic. Much more convenient than a car, frequent, clean and reliable. Just because the USA can't get its act together doesn't mean the rest of the world can't.
And if self-driving cars become ubiquitous, cities will be absolute hellscapes [youtube.com].
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Public transit in Europe is fantastic.
Nope. It's less stinky than in the US, but it's getting there steadily. That's the fate of all transit. And yes, I lived in Europe. Got my first car at the age of 30.
And if self-driving cars become ubiquitous, cities will be absolute hellscapes [youtube.com].
Yeah. Just imagine going from any point of a city to any point, at any time. Without having to wait for hours for transit. Horrible. Utterly horrible. And it makes all those bikebro lanes useless, because pretty much nobody _likes_ biking for commutes. Disaster.
"NotJustBikesButAlsoCompleteMorons" is a propaganda channel, nothing more.
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If you are waiting hours for transit, your city does not have decent public transportation. And so that is not the type of city that would restrict car usage.
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Would you like to guess how long I've spent waiting in traffic jams this year so far?
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Nope. It's less stinky than in the US, but it's getting there steadily.
False. I live in London and non-car options are improving, not getting worse.
because pretty much nobody _likes_ biking for commutes
Most people don't really care that much either way about transport and for commuting they want it to be over quickly. Sitting in a traffic jam full of hooting cars is not most people's idea of a good time.
Personally, I like my commute by bike and I know others that do as well.
"NotJustBikesButAlsoCompleteMoron
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Cycle commuting! It is calm, peaceful, rapid and traffic congestion doesn't bother you. For me, the physicality of it also booked ends the working day.
Losing the daily commute was one of the things that I really disliked during the pandemic. Still I did get to go for a nice walk in the traffic calmed streets, which was a nice alternative.
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Correct. We will "fix traffic" and end traffic congestion & traffic jams only when there are viable alternatives to driving.
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That's the stick approach. The carrot approach is to run buses that don't get stuck in traffic [youtu.be] so people use them unless they absolutely must drive. This frees up a LOT of road space [imgur.com] and reduces traffic for everyone.
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Perhaps organizing cities like that was a huge mistake?
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Nothing does [streetsblog.org], TBH.
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Indeed, a European style public transportation network doesn't ake sense the way american cities are built, outside older American cities (NYC, Chi, DC, ...) that have the population density to justify the infrastructure.
And the reason cities are built the way they are is mostly historical. European cities are built dense because they developed before cars. I live now in a North American city that developed mostly after cars were invented. So the city is developed assuming longer transport are easy. So it
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This is broadly speaking incorrect.
The problem was not that American cities were built after the car, it's that they were eviscerated to make room for cars after massive lobbying and advertising spending by car companies. This attitude continues to this day.
Also, from the point of view of how cities in America are designed, it's not even good infrastructure for cars, which is why American roads are much, much more dangerous to drivers (never mind everyone else) compared to say the UK. And no distance isn't
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Public transport sucked in the USSR, it sucks now.
Then again, maybe it will improve and gain these features:
1. My car is close to my home.
2. My car does not have a schedule, it is there when I need it and on zero notice (though I could tolerate 5 minute notice). In fact I do not need any plans at all, I can start driving to place A, change my mind and go to place B.
3. I can drive to my destination or very close to it. Right now buses have routes and there may be no bus that goes from my home to my destinati
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And the few who did also owned a backup handcrank to insert into a slot under the front license plate for when it wouldn't start on its own because of superior Soviet engineering prowess.
I would like that in my car. If the battery is discharged (because I forgot to turn off the lights or because I did not drive anywhere for a while) or the starter fails (I had that happen) it would be a good backup.
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Which matter? (Score:2)
"...inhalable particular matter has fallen..."
Which particular matter are we talking about? Possibly the particulate matter that is particular to some cities?
I wish them well (Score:2)
Just one thing: Please stay inside your containment zones once they are built. Don't even think about your carbon footprint as you travel out into the countryside to enjoy the great outdoors.
What about the weather (Score:2)
Pedestrians and cyclists will need covered walk/bike-ways.
(underground may work in some places. and skyways in others)
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What? Do you think humans are made of sugar?! They can withstand the elements, and when the elements get to harsh, they can wait to go outside or hide at a bus stop.
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Pedestrians and cyclists will need covered walk/bike-ways.
Yeah that or you know a coat and/or an umbrella.
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It isn't normally necessary in many European cities, especially those with narrow streets which were built explicitly to keep the place cool. In the US, with massive roads through cities, over very straight, the pavements can be very hot or very windy at different times of the year, so it is more of a problem.
Cities suck for many people (Score:2)
Forcing everyone to city mode is no better than forcing everyone to suburb mode.
I for one like having a private yard and not having to hear busy street noise and/or night life when I'm trying to sleep or concentrate on something. So, it seems, do hundreds of millions of my fellow suburbanites.
You don't like it? Fine, *you* live in the city. Don't make me do the same.
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Forcing everyone to city mode
You don't have to live in the city. Just pack up your corporate HQ, break the lease on your city center high rise and move your operations out to a suburban business park.
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Leases are for a fixed time. Just leave at the end of it. Been there, done that.
IT did whine as first they had to connect and serve the building at the plant and the expansion office, then they had to pack up and relocate when the expansion office was closed down.
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Better yet: lobby for better public transit.
Restricting cars is shit. Removing cars is good (Score:2)
REMOVING cars means the roads return to use by the people of a city and EVERYONE benefits from the new free, green space.
Political parties pretending to be green who only restrict cars are NOT GREEN. They are working only to help their rich chums drive faster and park more easily.
Fuck car restrictions. Ban cars.
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Restricting cars means rich people keep driving faster on the existing roads. It gives NO benefits to the residents of a city.
I agree with your other points, but as a non-car owner, I'd rather have only rich people driving than everyone driving simply because there are fewer of them so that means less car traffic. It still benefits anyone else using the road, though not nearly as much.
My area's implementing a CPZ, so people cannot easily drive in from the outside and park. It's better than nothing for sure.
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Thank you. Someone had to say that.
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access to cheap public transportation
I mean you're right in that this is the crux of it, or rather, people need access to some form of transportation to be productive in society, the question is which is most desirable which has a lot of answers depending on the circumstances. I would say any major city should have a robust mass transit system for obvious reasons, the whole idea is more people in closer proximity and cars are just very inefficient in almost every way to move a person around, this is just factual. I would absolutely say in a c
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No thanks (Score:2)
A couple decades ago I spent a few months in a large city and went everywhere on foot even wheeled carts to the local supermarket and didn't much mind it.
Recently I spent a few days mostly on foot in a different city and absolutely hated it. It would be one thing if being a pedestrian meant walking on your own damn two feet. With all the electric scooters I found myself constantly looking over my shoulder to avoid being hit/surprised by randos blowing past me. I'll never do that again.
Practice what you preach. (Score:2)
The people who postulate and legislate banning cars, the politicians, should try our insufferable, dirty, always-late and unreliable public transport themselves first. Meanwhile, they are being driven around everywhere in their comfortable, massive SUVs. Practice what you preach and you'll change your view on things pretty fucking quickly.
De-industrializing (Score:2)
Bike Lanes? (Score:2)
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A lot of disabled people do not drive, because many disabilities prevent driving and others make it much, much more expensive. There are many elderly people who absolutely should not be driving because it's unsafe for everyone else for them to do so.
Also stop wheeling out disabled people as your shield, you clearly don't actually care about them at all because you haven't bothered to learn the first thing about how they fit into transportation systems.
A city with viable alternatives to driving is much bette
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Maybe it's not the banning of cars that's the root of the problem.
True. It's the banning of crime. Which the local politicians (Seattle) have resisted.
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Even more reductions in traffic cascade from all the failed business's that depended on actual customers in the downtown core.
There are fundamental differences.
1) In my understanding, US cities of the West coast (you cite Seattle) have downtown entirely depending on visitors coming by car. To contrast, European cities (and maybe US cities on the East coast) have their core densely populated and therefore depend a bit less on external visitors.
2) Several cities mentioned are big metropolises, which in Europe are impractical for cars unless you already live there and have no other choice. Those big cities have long built underground
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To get there, handicapped people do the same as everyone else, they take the bus or metro. It's what happens next that is a problem. Streets and small shops weren't designed with handicapped people in mind. Many small shops have a step at the door preventing people circulating in wheelchair from entering by themselves (or even narrow doors or crowded spaces that prevent wheelchairs altogether).
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What about electric bicycles or motorcycles?
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Yep. Go ahead and fuck disabled people.
It's deeply shitty of the car-brained like you to wheel out disabled people so to speak to serve as your personal shield to try and prevent anything that doesn't put cars in prime position.
And the reason is it's deeply shitty is that firstly you don't care about disabled people at all (because if you did, you would know that...), secondly car ownership is underrepresented with disabled people because many of them CANNOT drive at all because of their disability.
Can't ri
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There are many, many different ways of being disabled. For some, infrastructure for active travel can be a challenge. For others, though, it is an enormous benefit. Bike lanes provide safety for those using bikes modified for disability. Or mobility scooters.
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I think, this reverse NIMBY-ism is not for the benefit of everyone else. We-can't-start-since-it-won't-work-elsewhere is the shittiest excuse for your selfishness.
Translation: Whiny rich person equates not having cars with not having highways and heavy-transport logistics.
New York just implemented surge-pricing and everyone is admiring the empty streets that make driving around the city so easy.
Contrast that with gated communities and HOA suburbs that have a single connector road into the city: No co
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Ah yes, Americans who live their life in cars are famous for their lack of insularity and broad knowledge of other cultures. Your plan is working beautifully.