Government Releases Thousands of Declassified Pages Related To JFK Assassination (go.com) 175
The National Archives has released thousands of pages of declassified records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963. From a report: The records were posted to the National Archives' website, joining recently released records posted in 2023, 2022, 2021 and 2017-2018.
"This release consists of approximately 80,000 pages of previously-classified records that will be published with no redactions," said the announcement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. "Additional documents withheld under court seal or for grand jury secrecy, and records subject to section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, must be unsealed before release."
President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Jan. 23 directing the release of all remaining records related to the assassination, saying it was in the "public interest" to do so. Tuesday's initial release contained 1,123 records comprising 32,000 pages. A subsequent release on Tuesday night contained 1,059 records comprising 31,400 additional pages.
"This release consists of approximately 80,000 pages of previously-classified records that will be published with no redactions," said the announcement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. "Additional documents withheld under court seal or for grand jury secrecy, and records subject to section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, must be unsealed before release."
President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Jan. 23 directing the release of all remaining records related to the assassination, saying it was in the "public interest" to do so. Tuesday's initial release contained 1,123 records comprising 32,000 pages. A subsequent release on Tuesday night contained 1,059 records comprising 31,400 additional pages.
The conspiracy nuts (Score:2)
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The best explanation I've read is there were, indeed, two shooters -- nothing else explains the physical evidence -- but one of them was friendly fire. A CIA agent choked, and possibly had a misfire. So, doubly difficult to unravel, because every theory is right, but no one is all right.
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You mean the secret service agent at the front right of the convertable, who turned on hearing Oswald shots and accidently fired hitting Kennedy from the front right; that guy?
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You mean the secret service agent at the front right of the convertable, who turned on hearing Oswald shots and accidently fired hitting Kennedy from the front right; that guy?
No, you're thinking of "Pulp Fiction".
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I presume you're talking about the claim that has gotten recent attention, that Secret Service (not CIA) Agent George Hickey, Jr., accidentally fired his AR-15 when the driver of the chase car he was in suddenly accelerated, his shot hit the back of Kennedy's head, and that the Secret Service was so embarrassed that they conspired to hide the evidence. If so, this claim does not work for several reasons.
First, if he had fired at the exact moment that Kennedy's head exploded, his fellow agents would have tac
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Yes, I believe that was the theory. It was in a book I read quite some time ago, maybe ten years ago. Sorry, don't remember the title. The physical evidence that I remember being most convinced about was the wounds, some of which were pretty obviously from steel-jacketed rounds, and the other very much not. But of course I didn't consider this to be "proof", it's just another theory.
As a history buff, I'm here to tell you that life is exactly like that. The stories we tell to explain the past are highly con
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This is closest to the joke I was looking for, but as I followed the discussion it went nowhere. However as expected for today's Slashdot.
My theory is that the YOB only released this stuff after checking that it makes JFK or the Democratic Party look bad in some way. Not sure about the original timing, but it most of the papers were supposed to be released after 25 years, which should have been around 1990. The only stuff they were supposed to hold after that was documents that would be damaging to national
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Those guys will never believe that ALL of the documents have been released.
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I've always felt that the Kennedy "conspiracy" was in fact, a number of people and organizations all acting with a similar goal:
To not be blamed.
So instead of a wide-ranging conspiracy that would have been exposed by now, you have many separate people and agencies all trying to make damned sure they don't get blamed for a popular president's death. Looks like collusion, but isn't.
As for Nixon, he relied on unreliable people. They should have just bribed people in the DNC like everyone else.
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Smells like conspiracy.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Informative)
He is literally, in the truest sense of the word, spouting the Russian narrative about Ukraine. He praises his Russian master who slaughters civilians while berating Zelenskyy for defending his country. There is even evidence, from three different people, he was recruited by the KGB [thehill.com] back in 1987.
Finally, the Mueller report _did not_ exonerate him [apnews.com]. It only said the DOJ would not prosecute due to policy.
It's not "Deep State". It's his criminal nature.
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You're either really stupid or really dishonest, and I don't actually think you're stupid.
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You cannot win. The cognitive dissonance is strong in these.
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Serious case of TDS here if you think the Mueller investigation was "a web of lies set up by the outgoing Obama administration." and Trump doesn't love Russia
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: The conspiracy nuts (Score:2)
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Insightful)
gives Putin his land bridge to the black sea
What the hell are you talking about, Anonymous Coward?
Look at a map. Russia already has 200 miles of access to the Black Sea, from Novorossiysk to Sochi.
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Probably he read somewhere that Putin was getting a land bridge to the Crimea (which isn't rightfully his anyways) and got confused.
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Wait, someone simping for Trump might be confused about easily observed reality, which would quickly be dispelled by looking at a map?
SAY IT AIN'T SO.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:4, Funny)
I don't see any black sea. It's the sea of America now.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Insightful)
The goal of this conflict for Ukraine has always been to make things hurt for Russia both in terms of severity and for long enough that they want to end the war thus giving Ukraine leverage in negotiations to get territory back. Plenty of militaries have even completely won wars doing this, Vietnam comes to mind as the North Vietnamese were never going to kick us completely out of their country if we didnt want to be kicked out. They just had to keep us from winning for long enough for us to give up.
No one serious takes the rhetoric meant to inspire the Ukrainian populous and maximize leverage with Russia at face value. Of course Ukraine was never going to liberate all of their territory through military action, Russia's military may be incompetent but they're not so incompetent that their massive numerical advantage doesnt give them a big edge.
With all this said, Trump is fucking this all up. He's publicly undermining Zelenskyy and fucking with Ukrainian aid. He's weakening their negotiating position right when he's supposedly trying to find a diplomatic end to this. Ukraine will be lucky to get even an inch of territory back now.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:4, Interesting)
"With all this said, Trump is fucking this all up"
Biden made a big tactical mistake early on by saying "antagonizing Russia will cause WW3".
Sleepy Joe is a terrible poker player, shocking for someone who's been in politics for so long.
US support for Ukraine should have been ENTHUSIASTIC especially since they exposed just how WEAK Russia truly is, routinely getting their asses handed to them by a ragtag army equipped with weapons America considers obsolete.
The Soviet Union in WW2 was more capable that what is now called the Russian arm....er, I meant to say
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I agree. Our aid should have come in greater quantity and faster. We began giving weapon systems to them years in that we should have been giving them day one. The worries over starting WW3 were ridiculous and overblown, If Russian cant utterly dominate such a smaller country like Ukraine it sure as shit cant fight NATO.
This administration though, it's like they went through the deck and purposely choose the worst cards. Telling the world that the US wants to end this conflict NOW is complete and utter weak
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Vietnam comes to mind
So does Afghanistan. Twice.
You would think people in the US and Russia might both remember that one, as they were both defeated by insurgent resistance.
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Watch Charlie Wilson's War. We had it perfect but like always just couldn't find it in ourselves to finish the job.
Afghanistan would have been our allies and we would have never have gotten into war with them.
History, its just a book away but so hard!!!
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It is at best unclear if the part of the country now under Russian control was popularly in support of being Ukrainian vs Russian a couple years ago. They probably are now because Putin is a dipshit and has let the Russian army treat the local population (who he needs the support of ultimately) rather badly
But to be fair, the ones who weren't in support of that likely left a long time ago. If all of the folks who left returned to the area, there's very little question about which side they would join, because so many of the pro-Russian separatists are dead that their numbers would be even smaller now than they were before the war.
At a high level, it's a land grab by Putin et al. They don't care about the people who live there, and never did. Interpreting it in any other way runs counter to the evidence.
The
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:4, Interesting)
He doesn't need a back channel; Trump's collusion with Russia was been out in the open since his first campaign ("Russia, if you're listening ...").
He's also accepting bribes in the open:
https://www.wired.com/story/pe... [wired.com]
https://www.wired.com/story/tr... [wired.com]
It's a startlingly effective strategy; people are so used to subterfuge in this kind of self-dealing that they think anything this brazen must be legit (hint: it's not).
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Bothsides!
Whatabout!
Is this really all you have whenever someone points out clear corruption? "but but but the other guys are corrupt too, so that makes it okay when my guy is lining his pockets and selling influence, right?"
The answer to corruption is not more corruption from your own tribe. What the fuck is wrong with you.
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Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:4, Insightful)
It was not a joke:
https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]
Russia acted on the request:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0... [nytimes.com]
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p... [pbs.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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You do seem to know the playbook:
- "It was a joke"
- "([somebody else] did [something vaguely related]"
Right now, the government of the United States is treating a Russian dictator as an ally while *actively* supporting attacks against a sovereign nation that they invaded.
Do you not understand how tremendously fucked up that is? Why are you supporting it?
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Actually it was originally funded by a GOP group trying to take down Trump. After they lost the primaries they passed it over to Hillary.
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"Remember how they accused Trump of being a Russian agent with a backchannel to Moscow?"
Yup, bunch of crazy shit from the conspiracy nuts.
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Trump isn't a Russian agent. There is evidence that he is a Russian asset, though. Whether that is because they have dirt on him (possible) or just that he's easily manipulated into repeating their talking points (very likely), the end result is the same: US policy is shifting in favor of Russia.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you get a secret decoder ring when you join the cult? Or at least a buy-9-get-the-10th-free punch card for kultist kool-aid purchases?
I have no direct proof that Trump is a Russian asset other than ex-KGB officers saying he is. But don't you think that his moves on the subject of Ukraine and NATO look exactly like what a Russian asset would do in a Manchurian-candidate scenario?
Also, why is the big tough strong "art of the deal" guy giving Russia literally everything they want, and getting nothing in return? WHAT A DEALMAKER, AMIRITE?
Wake up.
Re:The conspiracy nuts (Score:5, Insightful)
Speaking of "Art of the Deal" Trump was the one who negotiated with Mexico and Canada. 4 years go by using his agreement. He gets back into office and says they are ripping us off. I am going to do tariffs this deal is so bad.
Another example of I break it and then tell you how bad it is and how I am the only one to fix it.
It is a common talking point among those folks.
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"Maybe because Nixon promised to end Vietnam? or Nixon made peace with China?"
Or maybe because Nixon, using a backchannel to the Viet Cong, i.e. Anna Chennault, prolonged the war and caused many more Americans & allies to die.
F* that guy, i'd be willing to believe in Hell if I knew he'd be roasting in it.
https://www.theguardian.com/co... [theguardian.com]
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Bob was an intelligence operative in the Navy, on what was essentially a floating Pentagon. Nobody moved up the ranks faster to be covering the largest news story of a generation after a year being a cub reporter.
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Hopefully the resulting civil rights lawsuit is vicious.
Re: The conspiracy nuts (Score:2)
Government? (Score:2)
As in THE government?
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As in the Deep State, aka The Shadow Government, the Zionist Occupational Government, The Cryptocracy, The New Globalist Order or The Puppet Masters.
You know, the people who really pull the strings.
They live.
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You forgot alien influence. You know, the little fellers with big dark eyes.
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I didn't. But you need the appropriate shades.
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"Who are you?"
"Now, that's really not important."
"Who are you?"
"Who decides that the workday is from 9 to 5, instead of 11 to 4? Who decides that the hemlines will be below the knee this year and short again next year? Who draws up the borders, controls the currency, handles all of the decisions that happen transparently around us?"
"I don't know."
"Ah! I'm with them. Same group, different department. Think of me as a sort of middleman, and the name is Justin. Come in, sit, sit. The tea is getting cold."
-- Sheridan and Justin in Babylon 5:"Z'ha'dum"
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that almost sounds like something Elim Garak would say
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Similar. Justin was a much less complicated character, though, as he was straight up a stooge for the Shadows.
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Thanks to Elon we know the Deep State is made up of independent auditors, park rangers & veterans filling out forms for other vets, yeah, those treacherous bastards.
Also lesbians & blacks.
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You forgot old Gyorgy, who's setting all those swastikars on fire and is shorting the stock.
Incidentally, have you bought some per this recent suggestion from a trusted minister of the Shallow State?
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/... [cnbc.com]
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A dig at Elon? I did Nazi that coming.
Sigh (Score:2)
Like the UFO shite... strange how whenever they release more info, we get no more "signal" for the dumb conspiracy theories. It's almost like they're just not true.
Yeah right... (Score:2)
You trust the three letter agencies not to have 'lost' the documents they didn't want to come out? Are US bureaucrats that incompetent that they can't ensure they will have disappeared?
We know that the deep state can put its finger up at the government when it decides to; the failure of Congress to ensure any actual punishment for the CIA's hacking of the legislature's computers and lying about it until they couldn't lie any more shows it's real. Is there a solution? Probably not; every politician is likely
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Right all these decades later, anything that would *prove* the official narrative to be false is long gone. How could it not be. There was easily a period of 25 to 30 years after for which there would have been people with a personal interest in making sure misdeeds never came to light in a position to 'mishandle' things to ensure they never got out.
We are also now at the point where anyone with first hand knowledge about the post assassination events around containment and forensics is in the ground, and
Challenging post, thank you (Score:2)
'we have some concrete proof in these documents of what has been an open secret all along about the CIA organizing and staging protests around the world'
Except that given the Soviets were indulging in exactly the same behaviour, the question is whether in a warfare situation it is not legitimate to match the enemy's effort. Khomeini's Iran is what you get when you get too fastidious about who you support, while Mobutu's Zaire is what happens when you aren't.
The 'nice guys lose' problem (Score:2)
There's an episode of Star Trek TOS that looks at that issue - and ends up seeing Kirk resort to the methods of the bad guys to win. Which leaves the superior race of beings who had arranged the conflict unimpressed. The activities of the CIA were an open secret - after all the original 'Mission Impossible' series was all about such behaviours. One of the strengths of the John Le Carre novels is that recognise that issue - and refuse to offer a simple solution. If the alternatives are a world dominated by a
Quick, throw them bread! (Score:3, Insightful)
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He's been saying he wants to do this all along. When he was president in 2018 he wanted to release them [apnews.com], but after review they decided to wait 3 more years (which was beyond his first term) to revisit the decision. Most likely because people were still living that could be impacted by information they wanted to release.
He said it multiple times during his most recent campaign. [sky.com]
Then the order to release them [whitehouse.gov] was signed almost two months ago.
This isn't something totally out of the blue, but a topic he's been
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The files are mostly rereleases without as many redactions, and the redactions don't change much. They're things like which CIA stations were sending cables (e.g., London to Lisbon), some addresses, and even a Social Security Number. Those who were looking for something substantial have expressed anger and disappointment.
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Yeah, like "Where's the Epstein files?"
"Are you an effing moron who doesn't understand economics, trade, foreign relations, and the Constitution?"
"Or, are you intelligent, and an active agent of a foreign power trying to destabilize the USA?"
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It was Republican faithfuls that attempted the assassinations. The left is just waiting for the bulk of the right comes to its senses, hopingly sooner rather than later.
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The Right lost their senses back when Reagan was able to convince the faithful that the government was the enemy. Then Bush Jr. came by to cement the deficits by a tax cut for the rich. la Presidenta did the same.
la Presidenta has always been a gambler. However, if you look at his record, all his gambles failed. The only thing he excels at is fraud. And now he's gambling with the entire U.S. economy. Want to guess how that will turn out?
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The founding fathers of the country new that the government was the enemy of the people and sought to enshrine where the government could not force itself on to the lives of citizens. Lacking faith in England, they severed the ties and started a new union. One that immediately setup the many ways the government can't interfere with your life.
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"And since there are Trump properties all over the world, to say that all his businesses (not gambles) failed is patently false"
How many did he actually build or own?
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How many is that?
I've had plenty reason to dislike Trump long before he paused on an escalator to make creepy remarks about a child.
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How is Trump an entrepreneur? If I am born into a family business, inherited that business, given all the familial money from that business only to continue that business with my inherited wealth, am I now an "entrepreneur"? Is the term really so meaningless, it just means "sorta run a business" now?
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lol ok
dictionary.com
a person who organizes and manages any enterprise, especially a business, usually with considerable initiative and risk.
He had no actual initiative (Fred Trump was already a realtor, he came into the family) and took very little risk (he has always been wealthy from inheritance, Trump never actually has taken an actual risk, one where his lifestyle would actually be degraded by loss)
That might make him a good businessman but it does not make him an entrepreneur, either by your silly-goos
Re:Quick, throw them bread! (Score:5, Insightful)
Well when you say the word "entrepreneur" what do you or really the average American think of? Do they picture an already wealthy man jumping into an old-school business with a traditional mode funded by inherited wealth?
Or do we think of a scrappy go-getter with an idea and not much to their name making a go of it through hard work and determination, someone who took some life risk to see the idea out. We picture risk, we picture reward, we picture an underdog.
Calling Trump an entrepreneur is the business equivalent of stolen valor. His supporters want us to have that image of him, of the underdog who took a chance rather than the rich-kid he actually is, because the story of yet another born-rich person making even more money isn't really appealing to Americans.
Bringing Trump under the umbrella of that term is a pure fiction that is at best political cover and at worst malicious propaganda.
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Is that how Trump made his money and came to be famous? I was young but I don't remember the memecoin's in the 1980's
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So you're saying that Nixon wasn't an enemy when he was ordering political crimes and obstructing justice to cover it up?
You're quite the gymnast to bend over that way. Even his own party was going to toss his ass out, to the point that the congressional leadership paid him a visit to tell him to resign or he would certainly be impeached for his crimes.
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The FBI was founded in 1908, in those 117 years how many of it's directors have been registered Democrats?
I'll help you out, the answer is zero, the only ones who ever have been were in Acting only.
Never trust an "institutionalist"
By that logic double so to never, ever, ever trust anyone who describes themselves as "anti-establishment" they care more about destroying institutions then they do about the needs of the citizenry or the functioning of the nation.
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That matters how? J. Edgar's party affiliation had what to do with his corrupt blackmail schemes?
It has as much to do with what "the Left's" opinion on a general state of the FBI. You gave me a vague generalization, I gave you one back. Neither is really useful. You want to bring up something specific then go right ahead.
If the establishment is prioritizing maintaining the institutions that represent their power base over the citizenry and nation, then being anti-establishment is promoting the needs of the people.
Again, vague and subjective. The entire point of our governmental system is these should be aligned, systemically. Hell this is the entire basis of capitalism. Give a specific.
Institutionalists, even when entirely decent and sincere, are concerned with the institutions, not the missions.
These are one in the same. Social Security's mission is it's existence and it's existence is to collect
Re:Quick, throw them bread! (Score:4, Informative)
Ya'll on the right project too much. We're not the ones storming the capitol, calling for our political enemies to be prosecuted, invoking fake emergencies to bypass Congressional oversight, and oh yeah-- trying to assassinate Trump.
Next you'll be claiming black is white, up is down, and Trump is intelligent.
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" provide the underclass you need to survive"
if you think it's only the "Left" who relies on the labor of underclasses, you're not old enough to be on the internet unsupervised
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Yes, and let's also keep on with bad-faith arguments such as bothsides justifications, whataboutism, false equivalencies, etc. to justify clearly illegal behavior and policies that nobody at all voted for, and were not even remotely discussed during the campaign.
Nobody voted to get into a pissing match with Canada.
Nobody voted to sell out allies and cozy up to Russia.
Nobody voted to close Social Security offices and phone lines.
Nobody voted to gut medicaid.
Nobody voted to fire people at the VA.
Nobody voted
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Nobody voted to get into a pissing match with Canada... Nobody voted to sell out allies and cozy up to Russia... Nobody voted to close Social Security offices and phone lines... etc, etc.
People voted for a man who is clearly a grifter, a liar, and a convicted felon who possesses the vocabulary of a grade-schooler and the intellect of a wad of gum.
So yes, lots of people voted for all those things you listed. They had clear and abundant evidence that Trump is a wild, vicious and unstable fucktard, and the fact that they ignored that evidence does NOT excuse them.
They had all the information necessary to know they were voting for chaos. They didn't need to know the specific details of that cha
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So if you can't debate the facts, then change the topic, I hear you say. The guy you were replying to is spot on. No one voted for those things to happen...
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I'm pretty sure one third of the population did vote for those things to happen, and most of another third decided they were OK with it.
The Republicans put all this out in the open. It was called Project 2025. They literally published it on the web. Yes, Trump disavowed it, but it wasn't his project so of course he could, it was the Republican Party's own project so it didn't matter what Trump said. The Republicans stated explicitly what they were planning to do, and very little that the Republicans have do
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Yeah, because it was Democrats ransacking the capitol 4 years ago after patiently losing the election, right? Gonna try to tell us that all those guys with Trump flags that they were beating cops with were "BLM" or "Antifa"? Or how it was an FBI "false flag" - you know, the FBI that was run by Trump's administration, and has a true believer dipshit in charge of it right now and somehow there's been no proof found?
Fuck off, hypocrite. The biggest bit of political violence that has been committed since the
What about the investigation? (Score:2)
Congresswoman Paulina Luna was supposed to launch an investigation into the killing. She said she was going to interview members of the Warren Commision, apparently through a seance [yahoo.com].
Another distraction - release the Epstein files! (Score:2)
is any part of watergate still sealed? (Score:2)
iirc we didn't get everything unsealed in what was i, 2013? I don't even see why things like this can get sealed in the first place, except for guilty/embarrassed people in power somehow having the authority to do so?
Cool (Score:2)
Now do Epstein.
Deep State(Learning) AI (Score:2)
Use it as training material for an AI and see what it decides. Then accuse it of being a deep state actor, not a deep learning actor.
Big nothing burger (Score:2)
Funny to see people using this to spread anti-Trump narratives.
If you read the docs, there's not much exciting in them, except it paints a darker picture of the CIA and American government in general, nothing to do with Trump, since he wasn't in the CIA at that time as far as we know.
Ahh like the romans (Score:2)
For all the peasants to see! Come enjoy our gladiator show!
Pay not attention to the inflation / unemployment / stock market / food pricing / ending the Ukraine war in 1 day!
See the amazing release of classified information!
Wait until doge and GOP finish killing the government and they propose privatizing it all... Government doesn't work !! see we broke it. Private will be cheaper!
Just ask the price on anything they privatized. Highways that were private/public built, jails, etc. The list goes on.
Aliens (Score:2)
It was aliens.
No funny? (Score:2)
What? Really disappointed this promising story didn't lead to any good jokes. Or insufficient allowance for defective moderation? (But I didn't see anything funny in the parts of the discussion I searched tediously...)
And I thought I was cynical (Score:2)
https://babylonbee.com/news/ci... [babylonbee.com]
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Too bad this is posted anon because it's pretty good snark. Why aren't we past the point where we feel the need to hide our names on stupid memes? I think the Social Police have left the building.
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So you agree that swatting happens from arguments online. I'm not sure how that invalidates what he said.
Also, there have been quite high profile swatting incidents pointed at judges recently, specifically the ones that were involved in Trump court appearances, and denying this administration from doing illegal shit. And, apparently, sending them pizzas which is a not-so-subtle way of saying "we know where you are" - violent intimidation.
Nobody should be ok with this bullshit, regardless of political lean
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You can feel the "being distracted from the really important shit" anger.
Hope this helps,
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And you're a coward.
And a victim of propaganda, but that doesn't stop you being an idiot.
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"Stop normalizing the President, he only got a majority of votes." Turn off MSNBC, they've been lying to you.
Stop normalizing the people who voted for Trump more than once
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"Biden was fine"
I've disliked Biden since the 90s, was of the opinion that Obama was pandering when he chose him as VP and would have preferred a different candidate in 2020 but still was a better choice than Trump.
Also, Trump's cognitive functions have been declining significantly since his 1st term & lately he's been a stumbling, bumbling sleepy candidate, worse than any of the people he used to call "low energy".
" his son's laptop wasn't really his"
so what? Hunter wasn't part of the Biden admin, unli
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He did not get the majority of the votes.
Less than half, even a bit less isn't the same as more than half no matter how much you like the guy that got less than half.
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If there ever was any smoking gun evidence, you can bet it went down the memory hole decades ago. Anything left in the files has been well sanitized by this time.
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Very long, but very worth watching:
Everything is a rich man's trick [youtube.com]
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The video is a bit Illuminati heavy for my tastes.