Immigrant Founders Are the Norm in Key US AI Firms: Study (axios.com) 135
More than half of the top privately held AI companies based in the U.S. have at least one immigrant founder, according to an analysis from the Institute for Progress. From the report: The IFP analysis of the top AI-related startups in the Forbes AI 2025 list found that 25 -- or 60% -- of the 42 companies based in the U.S. were founded or co-founded by immigrants. The founders of those companies "hail from 25 countries, with India leading (nine founders), followed by China (eight founders) and then France (three founders). Australia, the U.K., Canada, Israel, Romania, and Chile all have two founders each."
Among them is OpenAI -- whose co-founders include Elon Musk, born in South Africa, and Ilya Sutskever, born in Russia -- and Databricks, whose co-founders were born in Iran, Romania and China. The analysis echoes previous findings about the key role foreign-born scientists and engineers have played in the U.S. tech industry and the broader economy.
Among them is OpenAI -- whose co-founders include Elon Musk, born in South Africa, and Ilya Sutskever, born in Russia -- and Databricks, whose co-founders were born in Iran, Romania and China. The analysis echoes previous findings about the key role foreign-born scientists and engineers have played in the U.S. tech industry and the broader economy.
In the words of Inspector Clouseau (Score:2)
Not anymore.
Techbro Tony Danza sez: A, I! I, A! (Score:5, Funny)
"Immigrant Founders Are the Norm in Key US AI Firms: Study"
Stop spreading anti-immigrant hate by attempting to associate them with AI. Most immigrants are hard-working non-scammers who aren't being unbelievably condescending while attempting to raise unemployment to 100% by replacing all workers with Dr. Sbaitso.
Agenda based "news" and "research" (Score:2)
Easy to spot agenda based "research" article....
Scanning the article
- half of the top privately held AI companies ... have at least one immigrant founder ... graduate far more STEM grads these days than we do."
- analysis from the Institute for Progress
- previous findings about the key role foreign-born scientists and engineers have played in the U.S. tech industry and the broader economy.
- Jeremy Neufeld, director of immigration policy at IFP
- China
- the U.S. has created barriers to immigration
- Last yea
Republicans say this is bad (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a bad thing that the supposed best and brightest across the world want to come to the US to establish businesses, that people feel the USA is the best place to realize the best version of yourself, to get educated, to make connections, where you can find the people and funding to make something successful. That's such a bad reputation to have.
Also don't believe them when they say "Oh, we just want people to follow the process!1!1!" because the current admin is making it harder for foreign students, tourists and really any legal means to come to the nation. It was never about the process, that was a lie (I will bet by the end of this term we have exactly zero new immigration legislation, just kick that can down the road again).
We're the dopes apparently because too many non-white-non-europeans made a bunch of wealth here. Take that wealth back home you commies! We don't want to be known as the nation of jobs and success!
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no one thinks its bad - america is literally the worlds mixing pot.
And you think nobody thinks that's bad? Haven't you heard of replacement theory? Remember in 2016 where we were solemnly warned that if Hillary Clinton were elected, there'd be a taco truck on every corner?
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The main attraction of the US is that investors will throw money at almost anything, where as in other countries they tend to want to see a bit more before valuing your startup at a billion dollars.
It has advantages. Most startups fail, but some become the next Google. The founders often walk away with a very healthy bank balance either way.
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Almost like the US is so wealthy that we can spend like that on riskier ventures. Not that I agree with all the behavior but there are changes to the financial and banking and taxes side that can change that far more effectively and I would say in a needed way.
The immigration aspect is such a red herring.
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This is true. The money for investment is available. For investors, just one unicorn success can pay for hundreds of failures.
Moreover, we have a mentality that accepts failure: it is not the end, but only a step. Someone who has tried and failed is more likely to get funding to try again than someone who has never tried before. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." This is not the attitude in most nations, where if you do not have a track record of success, you will not be given funding to
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The main attraction of the US is that investors will throw money at almost anything ...
I think it's called gambling. Sure, venture capitalists call it "speculative investing" and people in the stock market call it "buying on margin" and "shorting", but it's basically gambling. I think many of these people may have a gambling problem ...
So they say it's bad (Score:2)
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Will be interesting to see if those visa numbers are in fact increased if companies find as many takers for them in the current environment.
Trump want to give US college grads green cards (Score:3, Informative)
Republicans say this is bad
It's a bad thing that the supposed best and brightest across the world want to come to the US to establish businesses, that people feel the USA is the best place to realize the best version of yourself, to get educated, to make connections, where you can find the people and funding to make something successful. That's such a bad reputation to have. Also don't believe them when they say "Oh, we just want people to follow the process!1!1!" because the current admin is making it harder for foreign students, tourists and really any legal means to come to the nation.
Wrong. What Trump actually says about foreign students:
"Trump made the comment during an episode of “The All-In Podcast,” hosted by tech venture capitalists David Sacks and Chamath Palihapitiya. He emphasized the importance of retaining talented graduates in the U.S., saying, “If you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country.” He said the policy would include graduates from junior college
Re:Trump want to give US college grads green cards (Score:5, Insightful)
Actions louder than words, he says a lot of things
Why has Trump revoked hundreds of international student visas? [bbc.com]
Trump admin. targeting over 1,000 foreign students warns anyone who ‘dares dissent,’ critics say [youtube.com]
International students sue after Trump administration terminates their legal status [go.com]
Trump administration terminates 16 student visas in Louisiana [lailluminator.com]
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How do we know they support Hamas or Hezbollah? Who decides it crosses the line?
You're allowed to voice support for Hamas in the USA, you don't want to be banning speech now right?
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You're allowed to voice support for Hamas in the USA, you don't want to be banning speech now right?
Citizens are allowed to. Not green card holders. A green card is part of the path to citizenship and that path has a requirement of not supporting a terrorist organization. Not everyone can become a citizen.
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Answer the question or I assume you just don't know (or more likely, are wrong, legally). This is a simple question, it's why I am asking it. Not answering says a lot
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Ill just cut the point since you are obviously playing very very dumb here.
Is your position is the Executive can deport any green card holder at any time for any reason and they can do so unitarily. No checks, no process? That's what you are implying and what the fuck I am trying to tease out of you and you keep annoying.
The law isn't the question, you just keep spouting the laws like it means something, the whole deal is about the law not being followed.
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Ill just cut the point since you are obviously playing very very dumb here.
Given the following question you might want to reconsider who is dumb here.
Is your position is the Executive can deport any green card holder at any time for any reason and they can do so unitarily.
Obviously, if you had actually read what I wrote you would know your question to be false. But you have your political talking points you want to get out regardless of whether they actually apply or not.
Do you care to ask a question regarding something I actually wrote?
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What you wrote doesn't matter because the answer is "the courts" and that's what's at issue here, due process, the thing which without we actually don't have any freedom, that's what your guy supports taking away.
Everything you wrote is avoiding that uncomfortable truth.
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What you wrote doesn't matter because the answer is "the courts" and that's what's at issue here, due process,
Nope. That's your political talking point attempting to masquerading as "knowledge". Due process is not necessarily a jury, not necessarily a judge, it may simply be an administrative process. As discussed in the other answer.
your guy
Not my guy. Didn't support or vote for him. I'm just stating objective truth as any intellectually honest person would. He wants US college grads to stay here.
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If due process can be carried out by the executive alone or as you whitewash it as "administrative" who checks the administrators? What if the administrator knocks on your door and says "drnb is an illegal alien" and you are detained. What do you do?
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If due process can be carried out by the executive alone or as you whitewash it as "administrative" ...
That's not quite what I said. I said "due process" can be an administrative process. That is not something exclusive to the executive branch.
... who checks the administrators?
I expect that a person can sue the government. Perhaps the Administrative Procedure Act can provide you with more details?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/we... [cornell.edu]
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The whole fucking issue here is the executive is acting unilaterally without the other branch. Jesus Christ you're going to breeze past that and act like you found some magic loophole out of that fact.
Also you didn't answer my question because it refutes what you are sending. What would you do if detained? First phone call.
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The whole fucking issue here is the executive is acting unilaterally without the other branch.
Wrong. My issue here was about debunking the false claim that, paraphrasing, Trump hate foreign students. That in reality he wants them to stay:
"Trump made the comment during an episode of “The All-In Podcast,” hosted by tech venture capitalists David Sacks and Chamath Palihapitiya. He emphasized the importance of retaining talented graduates in the U.S., saying, “If you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to st
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How do we know they support Hamas or Hezbollah? Who decides it crosses the line? You're allowed to voice support for Hamas in the USA, you don't want to be banning speech now right?
I believe the government is arguing that those who lost green cards or visas were not simply speaking, that there were actions taken in support of these organizations. Again, green cards and visa are provisional and may be rescinded for actions that might be legal or only minor offenses for a citizen.
For a citizen staying in the US is a right. For a green card or visa holder it is a revokable privilege.
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Does. Not. Answer. The. Question.
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Does. Not. Answer. The. Question.
Actually, it did. US citizens are free to support Hamas, just like the Nazis were free to march in Skokie in the 1970s.
Green card and VISA holders are not, they are not citizens. If a green card holder or student VISA holder was found to be marching among the Nazis back then they would have been removed to.
There were members of the mafia that had their green cards revoked and were deported.
Supposedly the interviews involved in the green card process involved support for criminal organizations and e
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No you didn't, the question was "who decides"? Nobody is arguing that green card holders cannot be deported, you're boxing your own shadow there.
If you say "this green card holder committed a crime or deportable offense" and I say "no they didn't" where does that get decided? Who evaluates both sides and makes a decision?
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No you didn't, the question was "who decides"? Nobody is arguing that green card holders cannot be deported, you're boxing your own shadow there.
So you are going with the political talking point, "no due process". Let me get you up to speed. "Due process" does not necessarily require a jury. It does not necessarily require a judge. It can be a completely administrative process. With respect to green cards and student visas, the process seems to be administrative.
If you say "this green card holder committed a crime or deportable offense" and I say "no they didn't" where does that get decided? Who evaluates both sides and makes a decision?
The administrator who is responsible to make such decisions. Or perhaps their supervisor. Which the administration is saying is ultimately the Secretary of State. Plus isn't there some law b
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The Supreme court disagrees, but hey if we are just ditching that then I guess we can also ditch the Presidential immunity and go arrest the guy right now.
What you support is making the Executive every aspect of the judicial process, you support ICE effectively being Judge Dredd, and you support this simply because you do not understand the system, the laws or why things are set up the way they are, because you don't care about that, you just like "winning".
"Isn't there some law", yes if you had read anythi
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\The Supreme court disagrees, ...
Actually, no. "Due process" taking an administrative form at times is something the Courts recognize.
... ditch the Presidential immunity and go arrest the guy right now ...
Ah, more political talking points falsely masquerading as "knowledge". First, "immunity" only applies to to official actions, AND it does not remove Congress' ability to impeach and remove a President from office. In other words, the Congressional remedy has not changed.
What you support is ...
No, what I stated, "due process" is sometimes administrative not judicial, is absolutely a point recognized by the Court.
... you support ICE effectively being Judge Dredd ...
LOL. And now you
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Let's put a bow on this.
Noem vs Garcia, you're saying the justices got it wrong and Garcia was totally and legally kicked out of the country. That's the process you agree with for the nation?
This may be just a case of you and I have very different idea of what the USA represents and what its laws mean.
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Also the bad faith attack that you know what I meant by Judge Dress (judge jury and executioner in one body and you know that you little liar) is *chefs kiss*
If you didn't vote like MAGA you sure act like one. Yeesh
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Look at what I say and not what I actually do is one of the maga calling cards. Ill also take the victory they are starting to lie about it also.
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Noem vs Garcia, you're saying the justices got it wrong and Garcia was totally and legally kicked out of the country.
Ah, the political talking point that you really want to talk about. I made no comment on Noem vs Garcia. I merely pointed out that:
(1) Trump wants foreign students graduating at US colleges to automatically received green cards to stay. Debunking the false claim that he hates foreign students.
(2) "due process" does not necessarily require a judicial decision, it can be an administrative one. Debunking a false claim that someone was denied due process because a judge was not involved.
This may be just a case of you and I have very different idea of what the USA represents and what its laws mean.
My point is that w
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Also the bad faith attack that you know what I meant by Judge Dress (judge jury and executioner in one body and you know that you little liar) is *chefs kiss*
Not bad faith at all. A comic book level of understanding of the law seemed to agree quite well with the understanding you offered. Little more than regurgitated political talking points.
If you didn't vote like MAGA you sure act like one. Yeesh
Yes, political zealots often think in binary terms where there is "us" and "them". A monolithic sort of "them", the enemy. It's a bit simplistic, sort of like comic books. It allows for easy demonization.. In reality, "them" can cover a wide spectrum. The following is also simplistic but it should make the point. Those who
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Nope. No MAGA supporters can be our (Americans) allies. They are fundamentally opposed to the concept of American Democracy. That's what we are down to, you just refuse to see it, either through ignorance or willfully and either way you are supporting it.
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Great misdirection to get yourself out of a snag because you don't want to touch it. "I don't see a forest, I see one tree". Also you gave nothing more than one quote, I have several actions which you didn't even deny happened.
Who are the administrators here if not judicial? Use your brain.
You don't understand the law, the constitution, the government, the process and separation of powers, that's what I get here. Fundamental ignorance of the system.
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Great misdirection to get yourself out of a snag because you don't want to touch it.
There is no snag at all. I can discuss "Noem vs Garcia" with an intellectually honest person. Unfortunately you do no qualify as such. And show no interest in moving in that direction. Hence your continued use of erroneous straw men.
Who are the administrators here if not judicial? Use your brain.
Please take your own advice. Read something other than political talking points.
You don't understand the law, the constitution, the government, the process and separation of powers, that's what I get here. Fundamental ignorance of the system.
LOL. Bad guess. It was the government that trained me on the definition of "due process". That you do not necessarily get a judge, you may only get an administrator. Due process isn't about the autho
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Nope. No MAGA supporters can be our (Americans) allies. They are fundamentally opposed to the concept of American Democracy. That's what we are down to, you just refuse to see it, either through ignorance or willfully and either way you are supporting it.
Thank you for verifying your political zealotry, your comic book like simplification of the world.
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Oh conservative AC, are we concerned about division and turning up the temperature? Now, all of a sudden maybe it's feeling a little warm?
Crafty wording here (Score:3)
Headline says AI firm. Article says AI related firm. Some crafty wording going on here.
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It's not the norm for ANY group to found tech industry companies. ... well, except the group of those folks who have founded (or, perhaps, tried to found) tech industry companies.
Immigration debate missed the boat (Score:2)
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They work harder for less pay.
There was a time when "driving down wages" would be considered a very bad thing.
Re: Immigration debate missed the boat (Score:2)
There never was such a time for the company boss, AI or no AI.
And in the US it is the conmunity of the company bosses who makes the decisions, and not "they, the people".
Honestly I'm a left-winger (Score:4, Interesting)
If you're in IT you've seen it. You try to move up in the company's IT and you can't because the Indians are running everything and they will not hire Americans unless they are forced to. There's been lawsuits over that and a few of them have been won but nothing overall his come out of it.
Here is where my detractors, and there are many, gleefully are rubbing their hands to call me a racist. Go ahead have fun. I'm not talking to you I'm talking to you the guy that keeps losing career opportunities until he's eventually forced to drive Uber for a living. And not much of a living at that.
This is the major problem of the US democrat party they can't really acknowledge this because the moment you start talking about it you get shouted down as a racist and told that immigrants raised GDP so you should be happy.
Then I kid you not in the next fucking breath they will go on and on and on about income inequality as if they can't connect the two dots between a high GDP and income inequality and me not giving a shit that's a GDP goes up. The only advantage to a good GDP for me is that it might keep the ghouls and buzzards distracted long enough for me to make it to an early grave...
Here's the thing about the left wing, no pudding until you have your meat. No more mass immigration. Not. Zip. Nadda. Zilch. Not until we fix the economy for the citizens who are here right now.
This isn't just nationalism. I'm not a fan of nationalism and yes we need immigrants because otherwise there's no way our birth rate is going to keep up. And not just because of poverty but because frankly women don't want to squeeze out enough babies to keep the birthright where it needs to be to keep our nasty little system functional.
But I'm not an idiot and I can see simple patterns. And bottom line every country that abandons its existing citizens gets a dictator who doesn't actually solve anything, Donald Trump is expanding the H2B and H1B programs drastically, but a dictator that does do terrible things to me and mine.
The left wing needs to actually solve the problems that come with immigration first and then they can have their immigration. No pudding until you have your meat. No mass immigration until we have a federal jobs guarantee.
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I'm an American in IT, and when I look around me, I don't see myself inundated with Indians. I've got a few. Even some Afghanis. There isn't this fucking great wall of them blocking my upward progress... I have nowhere upward to go anyway, unless I'm made CTO.
Your racism, I think, is that you see this racial barrier where it doesn't really exist.
If it does really exist, then sure, you're not racist. But I just don't see it. I've never seen it.
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Nobody trolled here. I called you a liar.
Trying to write off everyone who calls you a liar as a troll might seem like a clever strategy to you, but it really isn't- it's transparent as fuck.
Fact is, data would support the conclusion that you probably are just racist.
From your position, anyone that doesn't "acknowledge the problem" (that you can't support with any kind of evidence, whatsoever) then they're a troll.
Honestly
Oh you know I'm sorry (Score:2)
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I was going to congratulate you for using a word with less negative baggage than "vermin".
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this just goes to show how in america there is no worse crime out there than accusing a white guy of racism
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Don't let it bother you. You are exactly correct on this one.
Been watching this since I was a kid.
Foreigners come to California. Buy up all the housing in the Bay Area pricing out the locals. Hire pretty much none of the locals.
They create offshore contracts back home with massive kick backs transferring billions in wealth from the United States along with high end technology developed in the United States which those countries then begin to use against us to influence our youth and our politics.
All of this
So the thing is it IS Good for the economy (Score:2)
The left wing will then pontificate endlessly about how we should fix that but they can't because they're completely ineffective. I figured out why for what it's worth, left wingers are hobbyists so they only ever do the fun
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"You try to move up in the company's IT and you can't because the Indians are running everything and they will not hire Americans unless they are forced to.".
It's ok, why don't you just tell us about how the Jews control international banking.
It appears that you suck at your job, and you're pissed off that brown people were better at it.
Are you saying that American companies should be forced to employ shitbags like yourself ove
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"this is why we cannot have a serious discussion" says guy who literally just called the other guy vermin
The BWS in Germany (Score:2)
Who got a smidgen under the 5% necessary to get MPs in the Bundestag was founded by a member of 'The Left', the inheritors of East Germany's Communist Party. They left to add a strong anti-immigration plank to their platform which otherwise remained very left wing.
This shouldn't be a surprise; both the AfD in Germany and the Marie LePen's mob in France have very left wing economic policies, just holding onto views with the establishment label as racist. The BWS caused the Guardian a real problem, being forc
The problem is lots of right wingers (Score:1)
That's kind of the problem, because you can't have a serious discussion about the pros and cons of immigration in a dog eat dog capitalist economy with little or no regulation or referees you have to question anyone that is calling for pulling back on immigration because in order for them to form coalitions they have to start admitting and enc
Great response, thank you. (Score:2)
I don't think racism is inevitable in anti-immigrant movements; the UK's Reform party has serious representation of ethnic minorities in its leadership, and Trump attracted significant ethnic minority votes. OTOH the AfD has gone down that route.
The core problem is, as you say, that centrist parties can't have a sane conversation about migration without being labelled 'racist'. The result is that the 'ordinary Joe' - who can see the damage it's doing to him - ends up voting for those who are talking about i
Always funny to see when somebody gets (Score:1)
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I'm envisioning you looking at the calendar, tapping your foot nervously doing the math to tell how many days you have to wait before you can accuse some ethnicity of controlling some sector of the economy and calling those who disagree with you vermin.
They took our jerbs! (Score:2)
Unwise work life balance? (Score:2)
CEOs in both China and India have an expectation of 966 working at least - 9am till 6pm six days a week. As a result the work required to get a serious startup off the ground in the USA is less unattractive to them than to Americans - though given the ability of American C level offices to end up divorced, perhaps they suffer the same problem.
statistics! (Score:2)
Suppose the vast majority of companies are founded by immigrants. Ok.
The vast majority of immigrants in the US are Mexican. How many of those companies were founded by Mexicans?
I think you'll find that the vast majority are either Indian, East Asian (China, Taiwan, Singapore, etc), or European. I lump Israel in with Europe.
So? (Score:2)
Nobody has any issue with legal immigrants. Nobody ever did.
It's the other kind that people have issues with. Not to mention efforts to erase the distinction in the first place.
...laura
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Musk didn't
Re:Key word here... (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com]
But the Washington Post reported Saturday that the world’s wealthiest individual was almost certainly working in the US without correct authorization for a period in 1995 after he dropped out of Stanford University to work on his debut company, Zip2, which sold for about $300m four years later.
Legal experts said foreign students cannot drop out of school to build a company even if they are not getting paid
Off to El Salvador with him then.
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Kilmar Garca was here perfectly legally, now he in trumps foreign Gulag.
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Bring him back and let him start a company, sez I.
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This story has been floating around since October of last year. He also didn't show up on a floating door... Isn't using a fake social security number. Hasn't committed any crimes while here. And most of all, what you are describing is a technicality. Aka, not a crime. Coming into the USA KNOWING you are doing so illegally, IS a crime. ;-) ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE "NOT" HERE TO CONTRIBUTE! We sponsored a family when we lived in Austin TX from Irapuato when I was in High school. I even lived with one of the brothers for nearly a year as I graduated. They worked for Coreslab in Cedar Park TX. All of them WERE LEGAL, and the 3 brothers lived in RV's at the bare minimum of expense, and sent EVERY PENNY they made, back home to Mexico. He and his brothers now own the ENTIRE STREET they live on in Irapuato, and the Pharmacia, and the Fuel Station at each end of the street. They moved home and retired a few years back. Not a penny of that money, for the 15 year that I knew them, was spent here on anything but the bare minimum. Every drop, went DIRECTLY into another economy. And they are LEGAL. One can only IMAGINE, how much money the ones using stolen SSNs are sending back home... For context - (I am married for 31 years to a Puerto Rican, with 2 very brown kids)
This man also did everything you described and still ended up in El Salvador. https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
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I wouldn't mind you so much if you were a loon with strong opinions, but you're also a loon that is lying to make your strong opinions stronger.
No court ruled on the MS-13-iness of this individual. A protection order is not evidence of a crime- anyone can get a protective order. I could concoct a story right about you, if I knew you in person, and get a restraining order if you failed to show up and defend yourself. Further, procedurally illegal is a nonsensical term.
It's ok to b
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Right, we have your personal assurance there is evidence for what you're saying, we just cant see it.
Give me a fucking break.
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That must be why they both ruled on it and those rulings are publicly available. LIES DONT WORK WHEN FOIA / CASE LAW EXISTS!
Then link to them. Show us that you're not a liar.
Illinois Attorney General
No, you didn't.
They don't employ crazy people.
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So you helped office workers with their email problems for a living and somehow in the process you got access to the paralegal data base (something no one in IT would ever need, thus would not get) and when you did you sought out the files on this person you wouldnt have known anything about at the time because as you said you only USED to work Illinois attorney general's office.
The only "id10t" here is you for thinking anyone believe your caps lock abusing ass.
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It's all a wonderfully compelling story you're telling me.
It's impossible for you to have looked up the shit you're telling us you know about this person because no one knew who this guy was before Trump deported him. You've guaranteed us that these rulings exist when you can't possibly know that just going off of your own account that this job is one you only used to have. Your fantasy story doesnt even add up my friend.
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Tell me what court issued these rulings, and I'll go look.
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jfc. 'Murica, bitches.
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"I can guarantee those rulings not only exist, but are BOTH on LexisNexis right now as we sit here typing"
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
You're just making shit up.
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They don't fuck around with access to that database.
I know! This guy's just making shit up.
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They can not be compelled to release anything by FOIA.
A lot of court proceedings are entirely public. Lexis Nexis just goes through the hell of collecting these into a single database.
If you tell me what court issued one of these rulings, I'm happy to do the leg work for you and see if I can find the dockets.
But I think we all know you're lying.
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I love you to defend one (that they can't defend) we get an entirely different 'just so' story that has nothing to do with the thing everyone is discussing as if that means anything.
If Elon Musk did show up on a floating door I assume you'd kick the door back into open waters right?
Basically all you've said is "illegally and I like them is good. Illegally and I don't like them bad"
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Off to El Salvador with [Musk] then.
Ya, but you're forgetting the ~ $300M "get out of (and do) everything" card he's paid the Dear Leader (so far).
With something like that someone could even get his dodgy crew to (perhaps) steal confidential data from the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), an agency that is investigating several of Musk's companies and has data about competitors and union activities ...
5 takeaways about NPR's reporting on the whistleblower report about DOGE at the NLRB [npr.org]
The NLRB investigates and adjudicates complaints about unfair labor practices. Its databases store reams of potentially sensitive data, from confidential information about employees who want to form unions to proprietary business information.
The DOGE employees, who are effectively led by White House adviser and billionaire tech CEO Elon Musk, appeared to set their sights on accessing the NLRB's internal systems, removing sensitive data and covering their tracks
A whistleblower's disclosure details how DOGE m [npr.org]
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Temporarily dropping out of school does not revoke your visa automatically or make you illegally in the country. I believe currently you have 5 months to fix it, or show you will be going back to school, or there is some other exigent circumstance. So, while maybe Musk was vulnerable to a visa revocation, unless it was actually revoked, he was not in the country illegally even if he temporarily dropped out of school. In Musk's day, the criteria may have been more liberal also.
Furthermore, to answer anoth
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If this is so widespread you should have numerous examples of this happening to share with us, lot's of examples of this "racism against Americans" please do share some. There should be at least a couple prominent examples of this scenario which is:
- American founds company (or is it the non-Americans, you imply both)
- American finds VC to fund company
- VC firm picks non-Americans to also be "founders"
- Company grows successfull
- VC firm kicks out the non-American founders
- VC firm also kicks out American
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If they break the law usually. Nowadays I suppose it can be done for political reasons, but VCs wouldn't have been counting on that. And it's a new thing. I fail to see what advantage a VC has to invest in a green card holder vs. a citizen all other things being equal.And, btw with immigrants from certain countries they would have to worry about the immigrant taking their money and running. $1 million USD in India is considered generational wealth (median household income there is under $4000 a year).
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For citizenship, it's more complicated- but historically, people have been denaturalized for "being part of an organization that opposes US interests". Shit you not.
I don't actually have any position on the VC question- was merely commenting on your post of:
"Which means they can't be deported and have the same rights as born citizens" which has actually never been true.
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Oh ok, I was speaking in the context of the VC thing.
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Frankly, I'm 100% for deportation being taken off the table for these folks, period.
Give them the rights of natural born citizens.
If they break the law that would put a natural born citizen in jail- then they go to jail. No need to deport.
Frankly, it's just pieces of shit finding loopholes