

US Halts $5 Billion New York Offshore Wind Project Mid-Build 188
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Electrek: In its most aggressive attack against offshore wind yet, the Trump administration halted the $5 billion Empire Wind 1, already under construction off New York's coast. Norwegian developer Equinor announced yesterday that it received notice from the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) ordering Empire Wind 1 to halt all activities on the outer continental shelf until BOEM has completed its review. Interior Secretary Doug Burgum posted this tweet yesterday: ".@Interior, in consultation with @HowardLutnick, is directing @BOEM to immediately halt all construction activities on the Empire Wind Project until further review of information that suggests the Biden administration rushed through its approval without sufficient analysis."
Burgum gave no indication of what insufficiencies there were in the approval process for the fully permitted offshore wind project, despite Trump's recent declaration of a national energy emergency that speeds up permitting processes. The commercial lease for the 810-megawatt (MW) Empire Wind 1's federal offshore wind area was signed in March 2017 during the first Trump administration. It was approved by the Biden administration in November 2023 and began construction in 2024. The project is being developed under contract with the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA). Empire Wind 1, which was due to come online in 2027, has the potential to power 500,000 New York homes. Equinor says it's considering appealing the order.
New York Governor Kathy Hochul issued a statement: "Every single day, I'm working to make energy more affordable, reliable and abundant in New York and the federal government should be supporting those efforts rather than undermining them. Empire Wind 1 is already employing hundreds of New Yorkers, including 1,000 good-paying union jobs as part of a growing sector that has already spurred significant economic development and private investment throughout the state and beyond. As Governor, I will not allow this federal overreach to stand. I will fight this every step of the way to protect union jobs, affordable energy and New York's economic future."
Burgum gave no indication of what insufficiencies there were in the approval process for the fully permitted offshore wind project, despite Trump's recent declaration of a national energy emergency that speeds up permitting processes. The commercial lease for the 810-megawatt (MW) Empire Wind 1's federal offshore wind area was signed in March 2017 during the first Trump administration. It was approved by the Biden administration in November 2023 and began construction in 2024. The project is being developed under contract with the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA). Empire Wind 1, which was due to come online in 2027, has the potential to power 500,000 New York homes. Equinor says it's considering appealing the order.
New York Governor Kathy Hochul issued a statement: "Every single day, I'm working to make energy more affordable, reliable and abundant in New York and the federal government should be supporting those efforts rather than undermining them. Empire Wind 1 is already employing hundreds of New Yorkers, including 1,000 good-paying union jobs as part of a growing sector that has already spurred significant economic development and private investment throughout the state and beyond. As Governor, I will not allow this federal overreach to stand. I will fight this every step of the way to protect union jobs, affordable energy and New York's economic future."
Tired of all the winning? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm surprised Secretary Burgum could find time away from his decree for warm cookies [theatlantic.com] long enough to actually do anything...
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Funny)
What do you expect from DEI hires?
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You mean DUI hires?
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:4, Insightful)
The only people who "played a big part" were those who voted for him, and those who didn't vote.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:4, Interesting)
Not that schools given the authority over parents in deciding that a child must be transitioned into a different gender or sex
No school gave out medication or performed surgery. But if calling a student by the name the student feels most comfortable with is "transitioning," then there are tons of children with nicknames in every school who have been "transitioned." I mean, you try calling a student a name they hate all day every day and see how willing they are to behave for you in school...
if it wasn't endorsing actual men playing on women's sports teams, or school's secretly transitioning children, it would be gays or blacks, please do get a grip
Republicans had an explicit strategy of searching around to find an area where Democrats' efforts around inclusion and acceptance would be a bridge too far; they tried lots of different areas of demagoguery and discrimination and found that the drummed up issue of a handful of transgirls or transwomen playing in sport (even though it had been allowed under the rules and managed by sports leagues for decades with no real problems) appealed to their base and to enough moderate and independent voters that they went with it. And then, when the Democrats' stumbled on their response (as they like to do) the Republicans continued to make a "defining issue" of the race. But make no mistake, if it had worked as well with LGBQ issues, or with race (which they did actually quite a bit too around the immigration issue), they would have gone there too.
I will say I do agree that the Democrats' strategists and advertising team should all be fired (although some of the worst ads were from PACs, but they should be fired too).
Re: Tired of all the winning? (Score:4, Insightful)
" I've done enough post-election research that tells me otherwise. "
When I watch YouTube on the toilet, I just call it entertainment.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, let's absolutely blame Democrats for the sociopath Republican in power doing sociopathic things, and all the other Republicans in the Congress that refuse to hold him to account for it.
This is quite possibly the dumbest of takes.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, let's absolutely blame Democrats for the sociopath Republican in power doing sociopathic things, and all the other Republicans in the Congress that refuse to hold him to account for it.
This is quite possibly the dumbest of takes.
I don't blame Democrats for the actions of the Republicans today. The Republican party is a corrupt cesspool and should be hanged by their own values if America ever wakes up. But...
The Democrats ran against a man that's known to lie constantly, that's known to do batshit crazy things as a matter of course, that's a completely and utterly failed businessman, that's been convicted of more crimes than most of his voters can count, that seems to only have one "value" that he admires, which is hatred. OK, he may admire wealth as well, but what really gets his motor revving is hatred. They ran against this walking pustule and lost, squarely, harshly. They need to take a good, hard look into themselves and figure out why. Now, it's been my opinion for about as long as I've been socially aware that the Democrats are a party of frightened, timid, scared people, trying desperately to project the image of justice and rightness, while never, EVER actually fighting with any gusto whatsoever to do the things they claim to want to do. Even during the Obama years, the fight was met, and they pretty much shrugged and went, "Oh well, nothing we can do," and let the Republicans block any form of progress whatsoever.
We need a party fighting for the people as hard as the Republicans fight for the oligarchs, and right now it's looking like the Democrats aren't up to the job. They're still bending over backwards to not make waves during this administration, while the America we live in is being stripped of anything vaguely resembling public good to further pad the billionaires' pockets. If they are unwilling to even raise a modest protest in official channels, what hope do we have that if they get elected into power they won't just kowtow to the Republicans again, like they always have?
The Democrats are not responsible for the Republicans acting like absolute sociopathic assholes. But the Democrats absolutely ARE responsible for letting them take this much power while running on a platform that was completely and utterly built on hatred and a few policy statements that essentially amounted to, "Vote one more time and you'll never have to again. I don't care about you, only your vote. We'll tear apart the government as it exists. I'll be a dictator on day one." And the Democrats went up against that with something *SO* lackluster that people would rather stay home than vote for them and against the clown show we now have in place. They hold some responsibility for letting things come to this point.
Granted, the Democrats are great at one thing: avoiding taking responsibility for anything. Their motto just as well be, "Uh, that wasn't us. That was other kids."
I'm sick to death of both major political parties in this country. It's time for a real alternative, someone willing to actually put up a tiny little modicum of a struggle to protect the little guy over the billionaires.
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Yes, let's absolutely blame Democrats for the sociopath Republican in power doing sociopathic things, and all the other Republicans in the Congress that refuse to hold him to account for it.
This is quite possibly the dumbest of takes.
Fine - now give your reason and reasoned take. And provide the citations. I've done it several times in here. But since you believe I'm stupid, allow me to produce other "takes" for you to ridicule.:
https://thehill.com/opinion/ca... [thehill.com]
https://news.gallup.com/poll/6... [gallup.com]
https://news.gallup.com/poll/6... [gallup.com]
https://nymag.com/intelligence... [nymag.com]
https://www.newsweek.com/democ... [newsweek.com]
https://thehill.com/opinion/ca... [thehill.com]
https://www.deseret.com/politi... [deseret.com]
https://www.truthineducation.o... [truthineducation.org]
I've been saying since the
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Can you back that up with any facts?
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Can you back that up with any facts?
Are you relying to me, or to MachineShedFred?
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Sorry, that was for beachmike
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
I want to ask Democrats - was personal pronouns and men playing on your women's teams and schools being allowed to transition people's children in secret - the parents have no right to know the schools are doing this by law.
Was it worth it?
The dems played a big part in getting a now very pissed off criminal in office, who is fully immersed in revenge politics. He's going to undo a lot of good.
How's that workin out for ya Democrats?
Let me get this straight. I didn't vote for orange jesus, but its my fault he was elected?
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, what's the alternative? Are the people who voted for him supposed to blame themselves?
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I want to ask Democrats - was personal pronouns and men playing on your women's teams and schools being allowed to transition people's children in secret - the parents have no right to know the schools are doing this by law.
Was it worth it?
The dems played a big part in getting a now very pissed off criminal in office, who is fully immersed in revenge politics. He's going to undo a lot of good.
How's that workin out for ya Democrats?
Let me get this straight. I didn't vote for orange jesus, but its my fault he was elected?
No, learn to understand nuance. The party is controlled by a small minority of people who support things that a majority do not. That's what I am referring to, not individuals.
I voted straight ticket Democrat. I don't "blame" myself. I blame the party structure. After the curb stomping, I decided it is time to check out why it happened.
That I came up with some facts and figures on the erosion of once reliable demographics, and that I dared to express them, and the reeeeing about me expressing them is
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No, learn to understand nuance. The party is controlled by a small minority of people who support things that a majority do not.
It's really not. The party is large and complicated, and there is no group that is really in control of it.
What you could say with accuracy, I think, is that the Democrats in leadership positions failed to push back against a small but vocal extremist minority. They didn't exactly enact that minority's policies, though they did take small steps in that direction, but by failing to push back against the minority's extremist rhetoric they allowed the GOP to paint the whole party as supportive of the extre
Re: Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
What most Democrats believe is that capitalism is great and the benefits far outweigh the down sides, especially if they can get away with insider trading. Only a very few of them actually give a shit about The People. You can tell because they keep voting in ways that benefit the wealthy and let us get fucked.
That the Republicans are much worse is very little consolation, especially when the Democrats effectively throw elections.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Informative)
[...] schools being allowed to transition people's children in secret - the parents have no right to know the schools are doing this by law.
Enough with the inflammatory misrepresentations about the recent court case.
The schools are not "doing" anything to transition students. They're just respecting the student's own stated pronoun-preferences. The schools are not obliged to tell the parents. That's up to their child.
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The schools are not obliged to tell the parents. That's up to their child.
So are you are not a parent or a really shitty one?
Parents are responsible for their children. If a child is failing a class are the schools responsible for letting the parent know? Hint, the answer is yes. The hope is that the parent gets their child the help they need. Will some crappy parents beat their kid rather than helping them? possibly. But then there is child protective services for that.
If a child is trans, then the parent needs to know so that they can support their child. Perhaps they need c
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Schools do need to inform parents about many things. But not whether their child wants to transition. Why? Because the courts say so.
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You're not comprehending what I'm writing. The courts say schools don't have to tell the parents. The End.
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So the parents can discuss it with their child and support their child's decision
That or send the child to an evangelical reeducation cap to be abused until they turn 18 and cannot be imprisoned legally any longer.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Informative)
There's only a couple things schools legally need to inform parents about and that also varies state to state. Mainly it's bullying and grades. The legal requirement for sharing grades is more to allow families moving to a new school districts to take their grades with them. Certainly a lot of places do more than the minimum, but none of that extra info is required. You can assume if kid a isn't being bullied, the parents aren't going to be told anything. Don't like that? Move to an area that has more local laws about sharing data. These things are local issues, not federal laws.
A kid wanting to use a nickname has never been something that teachers are required to tell the parents. That's really all it boils down to. There's no schools transitioning kids. Schools aren't injecting hormones, blockers, nor are they performing surgery on any kids. Regardless of the student, any school nurses or employees doing that type of stuff would be arrested for practicing medicine without a license or one of the other numerous laws around medical care.
Info about school/parent rights:
https://www.greatschools.org/g... [greatschools.org]
https://usahello.org/life-in-u... [usahello.org]
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The US ranks 5th in the world in spending on education per student, yet ranks 36th when it comes to literacy. A schools task it to educate students in a safe environment. Not hide things from parents.
Illiteracy is an excellent indicator of much bigger issues with someone's education and, in particular, their ability to reason. Which is why you ought to sit back down, you illiterate oaf. I mean, who the fuck tries to make a point about literacy while making stupid literacy mistakes in the very first words of their very next sentence? Someone unable to reason correctly; someone like you.
Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
The far right always always have a target to hate on.
If it was trans folk, it'd be gay folk. Before that it was interracial marraige. And if it wasn't undocumented immigrants, it'd be documented immigrants. And before that it was black folk. And before that was indigenous folk. If it wasn't policies requiring govt employees to not be racist at work (DEI) it'd be "Critical race theory" (Obscure school of legal research that examines the impacts of racism on policing, mostly) and so on.
Its all bullshit. Kicking the democrats for not joining in the kicking is useless and doesn't achieve anything.
Could the democrats have done a better job? Abso-fucking-lutely, and the smarter ones will tell you that (Certainly Bernie has been open about his frusturations with the party for decades) , could they have focused more on the working class?
Sure, but lets be honest, freaking out about trans issues has been the obsessive focus of the republicans, not the democrats. Most people really dont give a shit either way, but would prefer we not be assholes to people who are different.
Maybe its time we took society a bit more seriously, and realise its not trans people, a very small minority probably under 1% of the population, causing the malaise in society. Its the horrific transfer of wealth from working people to a vanishingly small minority of oligarchs that seems to accelerate every crisis the economy has thats leaving the united states with such abhorent economic contradictions that SOMETHING had to give. And right now, the wrong things are giving.
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If it was trans folk, it'd be gay folk.
I think a lot of transphobia stems from good, old-fashioned homophobia. There are plenty of guys out there who are absolutely shit-scared of trans women in case they accidentally fine one attractive, and are terrified it'd make them gay which is the worst thing they can think of.
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Nah the main reason the Dems for kerb stomped was simple sexism. America is not ready for a female president.
Also stop being a tool: schools aren't transitioning children. That is stupid to the point of mendacity. For starters, schools have neither dispensing pharmacies, operating theatres or qualified surgeons. There's is literally nothing that can do to "transition" children.
Probably the other reason that the Dems got kerb stomped is that low information voters are happy to believe the most absurd falseho
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Point of order (as someone who studied critical race theory in law school):
Critical race theory isn't mostly about the impact of "racism in policing." Critical theory is a branch of legal analysis that posits that facially neutral enforcement of the law actually driven by social power structures that judges and lawmakers are consciously or unconsciously reinforcing. Critical race theory is just critical theory applied to race, but it's also applied to gender, class and other social structures. So, for examp
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Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: Tired of all the winning? (Score:2)
I'm going to burn some karma by FULLY agreeing with everything you wrote in this comment. I'd want only to note that the pendulum started swinging the other way even before Orangeman entered the White House for the second time. For example, I believe that Roe vs. Wade is one earlier casualty of the same phenomenon. The women who will lose their lives or health can thank the extremist liberals for that.
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Nice rightwing propaganda bro. "It isn't conservatives faults they're doing bad things". You people will say anything to get out of taking responsibility for voting for shitheads.
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It's funny to see you trying to make fun of me with that the "bro" thing when that's what I was doing to you because I think you're that level of deep thinker.
As plenty of others have already said conservatives ALWAYS have boogey men and scape goats. If idiots like you didn't have Democrats supporting trans stuff to blame it would be Democrats backing stuff supporting gays. If it wasn't gays it would be racial.
The trans stuff you people cry over are far from being amongst the most important things facing Am
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Curious: Do you have any reputable proof that teachers were making their kids trans in secret? Because you know this can take *years* to do, it's not something that happens in an afternoon...
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You've already been told this several times now but blaming Democrats for the election of someone they didn't vote for and aren't actively empowering with their actions as the Republican party is is a new level of stupid for you.
You're pointing to incredibly fringe issues that barely effect the country and blaming everything Trump is doing on that. You're an idiot
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Re:Tired of all the winning? (Score:5, Insightful)
People keep pretending like it was the Democrats focusing on culture war issues, but it has very much been the GOP doing so. The Harris campaign was mostly about kitchen table issues and preservation of Democracy. Trans rights were not even close to a centerpiece of the campaign. It's frankly amazing that the pundit class has gone along with this hook line and sinker.
Fundamentally, the line of attack is a straw man. If the GOP does or says something hateful against a social minority and the Democrats meekly protest, then they insist that the Democrats have taken some extreme position intended to privilege that minority. If the Democrats say "we shouldn't discriminate against sexual minorities because of who they are" that gets transmuted into "Democrats want to put litter boxes in schools for furries" or "Democrats want to turn your kids trans." And the rubes eat it up because it feels good to hate on people who are different from you.
Stepping back, the obsession with trans people is insane. No matter what you think of trans people, the number of people with such severe cases of gender dysphoria that they are willing to experience extreme social ostracism to treat it is miniscule. People were getting worked up about a few dozen trans athletes in obscure sports out of tens of thousands of athletes who never competed against a trans people in their entire lives. In fact, I would wager most of the people foaming at the mouth about trans people have never had more than a passing interaction with a real trans person in their entire lives.
Dumbass climate criminal government (Score:2)
Re:Dumbass climate criminal government (Score:5, Informative)
This is why I've always done exactly that, so when my grandkids want to know, in a couple of decades when they are old enough to ask the right questions and do something about it, who the fuck did this, and I want to give them an answer
Because take it from someone working in climate science, the people obstructing attempts to mitigate (we are well beyond prevention at this point, its happening, and its bad) climate harms know full well they are lying to the public, and those people have names and addresses.
And our kids deserve the chance to have their justice.
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The Ministry for the Future had a profound impact on me. I am frankly surprised there has been so little violence aimed at the people doing this, thus far. I don't think it will last.
When I was little (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When I was little (Score:5, Insightful)
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This administration is just itching to turn the USA into one of those shit hole countries as they call them. The rest of the world is fine watching the empire implode as they will do just fine without it.
To be fair, that is the only thing the current US administration is doing a somewhat reasonable job at.
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And it is so only because to break stuff doesn't take too much effort or planning. Especially if you don't care who gets buried under the rubble.
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Indeed.
- Seeing problems: Well, you can always listen around what people think. Even if these are not problems or fake ones. So: Easy.
- Breaking stuff and pretending that is a fix: Very easy
- Actually fixing probems: Hard
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These people are not capable of building anything. Only destroying.
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Re:When I was little (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is the Venn diagram of people who use the phrase TDS and people who read rubbish tabloids like the NYPost a perfect circle?
Speaking of derangement, I love how you complain about rocks destroying habitats (ignoring that fact that breakwater rocks make for excellent artificial reefs) and then immediately complain about commercial fishing being affected (something which objectively destroys habitats). The mental gymnastics resulting in a faceplant of ignorance on the dismount is fascinating to watch.
I really would like to dissect your brain for science.
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Not to mention that the alternative to this is more fossil fuel extraction:
- Also involves marine installations that hurt local sea life
- Involves oil spills that do a shit ton more damage
- Increases climate change, which is massively more destructive to sea life than anything that happens here
These people are incapable of reasoning with anything more complex than the most obvious first-order systems.
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Something something (Score:5, Insightful)
Party of small government.
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Party of small government.
As someone who - regardless of administration - prefers to keep government on the leaner side, I ask myself why the federal government is paying for New York's project? It's not me being against New York, but if it is so important to Hochul, shouldn't New Yorkers pay for the project since it... well... pretty specifically helps New York? (I'd say the same for my home state of CA...)
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Re:Something something (Score:5, Informative)
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You know, at some point, you people will have to make up your mind: Are you one country ? Or are you 50 countries ?
When I was still travelling regularly all over the US east of the mississipi for business and leisure the American flag was everywhere, I heard the national antem all the time, etc. But whenever you learn that the federal governement spends some money or applies federal law in some state, you all go ape shit and scream blody murder. "States Rights !!!!!! State Rights!!!!!"
Every country in the w
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"State's rights" is a cop-out Republican politicians bring up when they want to pass the buck on an issue to a different politician (at the state level). Don't confuse that with actual belief in the concept.
Among the general population, it was only about 1 in 5 that voted Trump. I'd be surprised if half of them could even articulate their leaders' spiel about "state's rights". So you're looking at a tenth, of the population who gives a shit about that. And I think that's being generous.
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shouldn't New Yorkers pay for the project since it... well... pretty specifically helps New York?
(Ignoring for the moment that this specific issue has nothing to do with funding.)
So... you think that blue states should stop subsidizing red states? There should be no federal disaster response? Why do you think we even have a federal government?
As someone who - regardless of administration - prefers to keep government on the leaner side
Regardless of administration? You're not paying attention.
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Because we all know that every electron excited by this project will stay in the State of New York, yeah?
Nope, Connecticut and New Jersey won't see a single excited electron, because we all know that power lines ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CROSS STATE LINES.
Are you serious with this?
Re:Something something (Score:5, Informative)
It's not the federal government paying here. It's the federal government terminating permits investors need to build the project.
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since it... well... pretty specifically helps New York?
Power is fungible. If New York is importing power now, producing more of it locally will let them do less of that, and then there will be more power available elsewhere. It will either allow reducing prices (heh heh) or enable additional enterprises in other locations, allowing them to grow. In some places there is little available capacity, and new service is on hold until some arrives...
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Let me guess. You're part of the "damage assessment team" that's trying to figure out why you lost the last election?
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It doesn't take a genius. It was inflation -- or rather high prices because by the time the election came around inflation was low again, but grocery bills were shockingly high. The pitch the Trump campaign made outside it's core of nativist and racist supporters was that Trump was going to bring prices down on day 1 of his administration.
Talk us through this one, Musk (Score:2)
Is climate change real ?
How do you live with yourself ?
What will you tell your kids ?
"Approved by the Biden administration" (Score:5, Informative)
There's your answer, simple as that.
Oh it was initially signed by Trump? Well why did Joe Biden let him do that?
Re:"Approved by the Biden administration" (Score:5, Informative)
You don't understand. Trump hates Trump 2016. The old Trump was a weak man who negotiated the most horrible trade deals ever with Canada according to new Trump. The old Trump also was a loser who lost an election, and failed to overthrow the government. New Trump thinks old Trump is as bad as Biden.
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You're right, that is my bad. I forgot I am talking to the most gullible people on the planet, the perennial award winners [knowyourmeme.com]
The People Voted For This (Score:3, Informative)
And a lot of them think that Trump is doing a great job. A savior, actually. MAGA.
Then there are people who stayed home and didn't bother to vote. Some were MAGA types as well but many many more were people just too busy too tired or too complacent to vote. Or stupidly thought that even if Trump was back in office again sensible people would contain him.
So there you have it. Minority rule by assholes.
Re:The People Voted For This (Score:5, Funny)
And a lot of them think that Trump is doing a great job. A savior, actually. MAGA.
This morning I saw a report on how Trump's support has changed since inauguration. I was surprised to hear that it is quite stable with Republicans -- just a few percent slippage to the negative, comparable to what he experienced in 2017 at the same time in his term.
However, support among independents has cratered. He's losing them fast, in many areas: trade, tariffs, the economy, foreign policy, and so on. But the "buyer's remorse" has yet to kick in for the MAGA crowd.
Re:The People Voted For This (Score:4, Interesting)
That's the beauty of having your very own propaganda ecosystem that all the cultists never stray from - they only hear the echo chamber, and nothing going on outside of it.
It makes it very easy to discount everything that isn't said on Fox Noise as "fake news" or "TDS" while having absolutely no context or information whatsoever.
People not completely devoted to the "Everything must be Conservative(tm) all day every day" ideology are more likely to get the message, and that's why there's some fraying at the edges. But it's going to take something so absolutely awful and horrific to turn some of these cultists away. A revelation of our very own Auschwitz or something of the same scale.
Some people just can't learn the stove is hot without touching it themselves.
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I think there's at least a 1/4 of the electorate who would cheer our "very own Auschwitz." They certainly don't seem to be upset about people being sent to camps abroad without due process. Nor do they seem upset about the prospect of doing it to American citizens as long as they are people the Trump administration says are bad people.
While it's not like there was accurate public opinion polling in WWII Germany, it's pretty clear that Hitler still had fairly broad public support right up until the end. And
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It's not surprising that Republican support hasn't changed much, because of poll methodology. If they want to sample so many "Republicans", they don't check voter registrations, they just call people up and ask their party affiliation. But feelings of party affiliation change depending on your feeling about the party, or in the case of the Republicans, the party leader. So many "never Trumpers" who were previously lifelong self-identified "Republicans" are identifying as independent now.
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It's not surprising that Republican support hasn't changed much, because of poll methodology. If they want to sample so many "Republicans", they don't check voter registrations, they just call people up and ask their party affiliation. But feelings of party affiliation change depending on your feeling about the party, or in the case of the Republicans, the party leader. So many "never Trumpers" who were previously lifelong self-identified "Republicans" are identifying as independent now.
And the sample is limited to the kind of people who answer their phone for calls from strangers.
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Just another indicator that conservatives have lower intelligence. They eventually will find out, but at that time most of the damage will be done and it will not be easy or fast to fix and might even be impossibl to undo.
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In defense of Trump he's getting better. He made it a whole month into his term this time before his net approval rating dropped below 0. That's infinitely better than his previous term.
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However, support among independents has cratered.
What I don't understand at all is how his support grew when he was out of office from a very very low base. Are independent's memories that short on the whole?
But the "buyer's remorse" has yet to kick in for the MAGA crowd.
It won't.
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In my neck of the woods, white-collar Trump voters are pissed about their 401Ks while the under-educated blue-collar crowd and retirees are doubling-down because he's pissing everyone else off, so he must be doing something right.
Re: The People Voted For This (Score:3)
How uninformed do you have to be to claim NY is going broke? New York GDP is more than almost all the red states combined. What a strange fictive fantasy you have created in your little head...
Next week... (Score:2)
Beautiful Clean Coal (Score:2)
Trump hates windmills.
ROLL COAL
A little help from our friends (Score:2)
Windmills are woke (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Windmills are woke (Score:5, Insightful)
You forgot revenge.
Don't discount the strong desire among the serially aggrieved to want to "stick it to" the people that beat them in the past in any and every way possible.
It's very "christian" isn't it?
Approved 2017 and building only started in 2024 (Score:3)
This is why America is failing.
There's a saying that unimportant decisions are made by the many, while important decisions are made by a few. The US seems to have opted to involve the many in both big and small decisions, and that leads to gridlock because it's much easier to oppose than support.
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It's Project 2025 (Score:2)
Project 2025 opposes "eyesore windmills", so that's all you need to know.
This was not "more affordable" energy (Score:2)
Governor Hochul is lying when she says "Every single day, I'm working to make energy more affordable, reliable and abundant in New York". This wind farm had a deal that would allow them to charge twice the national average for energy.
Huh (Score:2)
Guess who didn't donate to Trump's inauguration fund nor even buy enough of Trump's crypto.
Is Texas next? (Score:2)
Rule of law (Score:2)
'Rule of law' is whar the USA used to have.
Now, it's 'rule by decree'.
Such a shitshow. The damage will never be undone.
Costs vs Benefits (Score:2)
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What should the people of New York expect to pay for the electricity produced by this wind project? It's difficult to find a recent and unbiased source on this, I did find on Wikipedia that a 2014 study from the IPCC showing offshore wind being relatively expensive:
$155/MWh which is $0.15/kWh - https://www.equinor.com/news/2... [equinor.com]
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$155/MWh which is $0.15/kWh
So, while lower than average cost for New York it is higher than what many other states pay.
https://poweroutage.us/electri... [poweroutage.us]
They can't do better than this in New York? How can other states have so much lower costs on average?
I realize this could be considered a biased source but there's a chart in this article showing a number of options that are sources of lower cost electricity: https://www.generationatomic.o... [generationatomic.org]
New York can't do utility scale solar instead? This offshore energy project looks to be well
Re:What is the expected LCOE of the electricity? (Score:5, Insightful)
And what does that have to do with anything?
This is a project that is currently under construction, with permits granted. Now they want to revoke the permits by fiat. This will end up in federal court, where Trump is going to waste everyone's time and take it to the Supreme Court because he wants to stick it to New York Democrats, and he doesn't give a shit who gets hurt along the way.
Notice I haven't said anything specific about this project, because it doesn't matter. There's processes for doing this kind of thing, and this isn't that process. This is more of the petty bullshit Trump is always pulling to stick it to his enemies. I don't give a crap if this is a bridge project, an energy project, or a maritime dredging project - it doesn't matter. The permits were issued, and "Biden sucks" is not sufficient legal premise to revoke them and try to stick it to New York in a 2-fer.
Going into some kind of wonky convoluted "anticipated cost of the electricity" is missing the forest for a very specific tree - this government is a tyrannical dumpster fire, and you're worried about a few cents per kWh, maybe, but you can't find a source that isn't 10 years old.
Open your fucking eyes. See the forest.
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Offshore wind always has a federal government component, a loan guarantee, or a power buy agreement that needs the federal government active participation.
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Since Trump doesn't follow any due process, why should NY? He pulls the permits and the state shrugs.
Re: What is the expected LCOE of the electricity? (Score:2)
So you're saying he's going after NY Democrats with exactly the same regard for law and due process that they used to try to destroy him?
Do tell.
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What is the LCOE? Well higher now that the Trump administration is burdening the project with what will turn into large legal costs and budget / time overruns.
Re: Trump (Score:3)
Trump loves the idea of forcing Americans into low paying jobs. It's one of his most consistent policy targets.