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Katz v Taco: Futurama 261

So both Jon & I wanted to write our reviews of Futurama. But me, being a hardnosed jerk, didn't want to post 2 full blown reviews on Matt Groening's new show. So instead, Jon and I each wrote mini reviews of the show, and have attached them below. Its Taco vs. Katz.

JonKatz

When Richard Nixon's head falls out of a jar 1,000 years into the future, growls, and bites the arm of Fry, the hero of Matt Groening's new TV show "Futurama," it was clear Groening has another hit on his hands.

"Futurama" isn't much like Groening's "Simpsons," except for its bug-eyed (or in this case, sometimes one-eyed) characters.

This time, the target is us - nerds, geeks, the power of computing, the sci-fi culture and the insanely-hyped Millenium. In "Futurama (8:30 p.m., Sundays on Fox)," Groening's target is the hi-tech future, and if it isn't pretty, it's sure funny as hell.

Our hero Fry is a pizza delivery boy with higher aspirations who, through a series of mishaps, is catapulted 1,000 years into the future, where he hooks up with a shoplifting robot named Bender and a lonely Cyclops who was originally supposed to be his "fate" counselor - that is, it was her job to make sure he had as crummy a job in the future as he'd had in the past, because that's what the compute program chose for him.

When he thinks about it, Fry is delighted to be free of his former family, girlfriend and job. But he wants a better life for himself, running afoul of future regulations, which are centered on the universal principle that "You gotta do what you gotta do." With Bender's help, he runs from the police - who beat people of the future with wimpy "Star Wars" Jedi laser swords rather than guns and clubs.Fry takes refuge in the Hall of Heads, a repository for still-talking, important heads from the past.

Appropriately enough, the first head he runs into is that of Leonard Nimoy, who's being fed fish-flake food in his jar. Asked by the incredulous and worshipful Fry what he's doing there, Nimoy declines Fry's request that he do "Spock" talk. He tells Fry that he's leading a life of "quiet dignity." (Groening's head is one of those lined up in a row of jars).

The second head Fry encounter's is that or Richard Nixon, whose jar breaks in the tussle and who vengefully clamps his teeth into Fry's arm and won't let go.

Like the "Simpsons," "Futurama" is subversive, rebellious and scathing. In an upcoming episode, Fry - who ends up being an interstellar pizza delivery boy despite himself - meets a race of aliens who happen to spend part of their time in liquid form.

Fry gets along with them fine, until he accidentally drinks the emperor.

"The 10-year-old Simpsons" was a landmark in the bland history of commercial television. It defied almost every conventional wisdom about demographics and market research. No network executive believed that America was interested in a dysfunctional cartoon family led by an addled Mom in a bee-hive hairdo and a fat, bald wreck of a father. Only Fox, struggling to invent itself as a new network, dared to put it on. By May, there will be at least eight mostly iconoclastic cartoons on television, including "King Of The Hill", and "Family Guy", another Fox show that takes aim at families.

"Futurama isn't as revolutionary as "The Simpsons," mostly because the idea of the satirical non-kid TV cartoon isn't as original anymore. But judging from the first episode, it's as funny, and for the sci-fi worshippers, geeks and nerds it targets, hits even closer to home.

CmdrTaco

Matt Groening's "The Simpsons" is an icon. Its a hard act to follow, but he's actually done it with Futurama. Don't kid yourself- its not as good as "Peak Simpsons" (which I define roughly as Season 3 through 6 or so, give or a take several episodes on either side) but this is television we're dealing with. Its a cespool guys, and this show doesn't stink, so its good simply because of what its surrounded by.

The show is simply "Guy From Present Winds up in Future". (like Back to the Future 2, or The Time Machine, or maybe Planet of the Apes, and, well, thousands of other books and movies with the same premise). In this case, The Future that "Fry" (our hero, a pizza delivery boy) is a mishmash of every future you've seen or read about. It steals from Trek, Star Wars, 1984, and warps them appropriately through Groening's artistic and humourist perspective. In short, its worth seeing just to see the stunning parody of every sci fi you've ever seen, and done well.

Last nights episode suffered from the same problem as every premiere episode of every show: to much time spent introducing the characters and environment. On one hand, the environment is fascinating- the charachters look like Simpsons characters of course, its Matt's trademark style. It's just like Life in Hell. But the backgrounds have much more depth, and many of the objects are actually 3D objects. Its much more advanced then The Simpsons would ever try (outside of a halloween episode anyway), and it all works. It looks good. It feels right.

The advantage of a sitcom in its 3rd season is that you know the exactly how and why charachters operate, so you can simply enjoy their wacky misadventures. The struggle of a new show is to set the characters up. The first few seasons of The Simpsons struggled as the writers tried to find the angles that worked. As the shows focus shifted from Bart's wise cracking, to the "Family", with the major emphasis on Homer, the show improved. Likewise, Futurama has to find its footing.

Its got a good start. The characters aren't bad. Bender is especially interesting. But as with The Simpsons, the guest appearances are what really make the show shine. In this case, the Heads of famous people appear in jars and are quite funny (this weeks episode included the heads of Leonard Nemoy, Richard Nixon, and even Matt Groening himself).

Futurama suffers from the same flaw as modern Simpsons episodes though- the end of the show almost tried to have a moral. The best of the Simpsons never tried to preach, it simply did its thing- and while there often is a moral, it doesn't sit down and scream it at you like a minister on a roll in his Sunday Sermon. South Park has it right- the "Moral" is terribly overdone- a parody of the crappy sitcoms that it strives to mock. Early Simpsons had it right too- the "Moral" simply isn't summarized at the end of the show. Futurama blew that one with a cheesy little dialog about being free to choose your own destiny.

Some things are obvious guys. You don't need to say them. But this is a minor nitpick relative to the number of good gags and jokes (and yes, social commentary) scattered throughout the show.

Anyway, I'll tune in again. Its visually pleasing, and as long as its in a sweet time slot (between Simpsons and X-Files for example) I won't run off to check my email. And I'll give it a few episodes to find its footing.

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Katz v Taco: Futurama

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    It will normally air on Tuesdays, not such a sweet time slot.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Its visually pleasing, and as long as its in a sweet time slot(between Simpsons and X-Files for example) I won't run off to check my email

    Actually, it'll be in that sweet time slot next week, but after that will move to Tuesday nights.

    I actually liked the show much more than I thought I would based on the commercials (which looked pretty stupid, actually), so I may be able to tune in on Tuesdays. Supposedly Groening was pissed that it wouldn't be on Sundays, though...

    Anonymous Coward

  • by Anonymous Coward
    It felt like Simpsons had a car accident with The Jetsons. It's a wacky future that has no attempt at being any sort of predictor of what might actually be like, it's just a different setting.

    Good show, but unfortunatly, if it replaces That 70's Show, it'll mean I won't have a free half hour after watching The Simpsons before seeing how the X-Files could sink to even new heights of idiocy. There's a race of aliens bent on our destruction... but enough about that, lets go see why this little girl can rotate her head 360deg, oh, oh and I hear there is a werewolf in Arkansas! I'll get your coat, you start the car!
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I'm surprised no one noticed that when Fry and Bender are getting drinks in the bar, Bender is drinking a bottle of "Ol' Fortran".
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Robots have screws, people have bones. Thus, Bender saying "We're boned!" is analogous to a person saying "We're screwed!"
  • by Anonymous Coward
    "This time, the target is us - nerds, geeks, the power of computing, the sci-fi culture and the insanely-hyped Millenium."

    Us?! Katz != geek.

    I await the censors.
  • The only things I found amusing were spock, the suicide booth, and the robot shitting a brick. I hope next week's is better.
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  • "I dont want anyone to think were robosexual, so if anyone askes, your my debugger" funny. I like the robot
  • by zztzed ( 279 )
    <nitpick>
    Actually, it was "Doomsayers Cautiously Upbeat"...
    </nitpick>

    do the obvious if you want to email me ...
  • It is said that Futurama will most likely take place of King of the Hill on Tuesdays at 8PM, followed by The PJ's.

    Sorry, CT.. it's not gonna be on Sundays before the X-Files..
  • That was pretty funny, because I really am pretty sure that was a bull =)
  • by drwiii ( 434 )
    I likes it.

    Last night's Simpsons wasn't too bad, either. Especially the part with that Heimlich Maneuver Machine where the lady spits out the food, walks down, then trips and falls on it.

  • Question, if he went into the time thingamabob 1000 years on Jan 1, 2000 (new years countdown already happened), how could he have come out on Dec 31, 2999?

    Question, how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

    These questions demand answers!

    --
  • Star Wars LightSabre: Chop off his hand, cauterizing the wound. Deflect laser shots. Leave bad scorch marks.

    Futurama LightSabre: Good only for beating someone on the head, and not terribly well either. Subject remains conscious. Very flashy, yet no better than a billy club from the Stupid Ages.

  • He mentioned in his Wired magazine interview that he was going to be placing all sorts of weird codes and hidden messages throughout Futurama, so that the geek contingent has something to latch onto for culture-effect.

    Sorta like the way Klingon became a developed language, but I'm guess it'll be a lot less droll...

  • And didn't Agent 1BDI's boss seem to be a descendent of Apu?

    I wish I'd taped the show, because I really want to go back through the sweep of the Head Museum and see what other heads were in the pickings... I'm sure Groening added a few subtle ones, just for us retentive nerds...

    :)

  • Anyone remember what it was? I laughed my ass off when Bender used the phrase, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was... "something" tube...

  • Am I the only one who saw the heads of Mulder & Scully in the Museum? When the camera pans around to find Bender and Fry "hiding" behind the head shelf, you can see them.

    I loved the new show. Of course, I'm not someone who says Simpson's is anything but hilarious now. It's hard to do a show for 10 years and Groening and company do a fine job. Unfortunately Futurama's regular time slot is going be on Tuesdays so I'll have to keep not watching That 70s Piece Of Crap.
  • Posted by Pushkin:

    The first episode of FutureRama was interesting. I hope that the seris actually goes somewhere (unlike most fox shows which are total flops). Now if Fox would only kill Family Guy...
  • Posted by DonR:

    Anyway, did anyone see the Matt Groening head? It was right next to Fry and Bender when they were trying to hide as heads on the shelf. I bet in low motion there are a lot of neat heads. The opening scene of the Simpsons shows almost every character sitting on a lawn. It's just too fast to see."

    Apu's head was there, on the left side of the wall.
    ---
    Donald Roeber
  • Posted by Ydeologi:

    Is he supposed to revise his opinions on a subject simply to make them original for a different medium or forum? If he did, you'd surely complain that he couldn't make up his mind...

    -YDeO
    "It's not down on any map;
    true places never are."
    --Melville
  • Posted by Fleeno:

    I was disappointed. The only time I laughed out loud was when I saw Spock. In a couple years when Matt stops writing and Conan O'Brien starts, it could be as funny as The Simpsons.
  • Posted by Stanks:

    Here we go again with another round of Katz... Notice how he skitters away from taking ownership of his opinions by the repeated use of the word, "our."

    Katz, I am not happy with your attempt to group us all together like a hippy commune. If you're going to state your opinion, take ownership for it. Isn't this the basics of journalism?
  • I originally thought, "huh?", but now I'm ROTFL. :)
  • Reagan was there too...

  • You have to love a show where the opening
    line for a cute retro tin-toy looking robot
    is "Bite my shiny metal ass, meat bag!" ... I couldn't stop laughing.
    Bender got in at least 4 more very funny lines
    during the whole episode.

    I loved it. I hope it stays in the
    same sweet time slot so I won't be forced to
    have a life on Sunday nights.

    It's been a long time since I laughed that
    hard watching the Simspons.
  • Noticed and laughed out loud.

    No one else I was watching it with got it, even when I told them.

    Bah.
  • by Danse ( 1026 )

    Yeah.. that was good, but I thought the doctor had some of the best lines in that episode :)

  • by Danse ( 1026 )

    I missed that one.. that's why I taped it. I need to watch it again just for that sort of thing ;)

  • It's a nice effect, and Futurama put it to good use, but it's not groundbreaking. The first time I saw it was in Disney's Beauty and the Beast. (No, not the completely CGI ballroom scene, it was used in a few places throughout the movie.) It's been a staple of pretty much every feature-length animated movie since.

    Disney's new Tarzan adaptation looks like it's 100% CGI, rendered to appear like conventional 2D cell animation.

  • No mention that she is an alien.

    Well, apart from that bit where she said "I'm an alien."

    But I suppose that's subject to interpretation.

  • Started the VCR a few minutes before the simpsons, put the board back in front of it to keep the toddling twins away, and let the kids finish watching the ballons on disney.

    Sent them to bed, reemoved the board, and somehow they'd manage to stop it 20 minutes into the simpsons. . . . argh
  • by heroine ( 1220 ) on Monday March 29, 1999 @12:13PM (#1957676) Homepage
    I won't watch a TV show until I can recompile it from the source footage!
  • if he went into the time thingamabob 1000 years on Jan 1, 2000 how could he have come out on Dec 31, 2999?

    If you're going to be picky, you could also ask why it was daytime instead of being a few seconds from midnight. Here's a couple reasons: The earth's rotation is slowly decreasing (hence some 7 leap seconds over the last couple decades). The timer in the cryofreezer wasn't exactly accurate for a span of 1000 years (that's off by 1 in 2*10-06!).

    If you want to be more picky, the first time old New York was rebuilt, you see some buildings (castles?). Why weren't they underground instead of the original New York?

  • by RevRa ( 1728 ) on Monday March 29, 1999 @11:11AM (#1957678) Journal
    was when the guy says,

    "Stop, we have you partially surrounded!"

    And the brick falls out of Bender's ass. I rolled on the floor laughing.

    Of course, like any PHB, I'm easily distracted by shiny objects....

    -Randy

  • Elvis lives on in our hearts, in his music, and in a trailer park outside Milwaukee.
  • Last week I got a copy of "3001 The Final Odyssey" and I started reading it on Saturday. It's all about Frank Poole who wakes up after 1000 years in the interplanetary deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim. Sunday there's a new show called "Futurama" about a guy that wakes up after 1000 years in the deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim.
  • Not so! It's going to be contiguous with The PJ's. Lotsa cheap humor and good animation for your Tuesday night supplementary nacho worship [nachoism.org].
    Beer recipe: free! #Source
    Cold pints: $2 #Product
  • So please be more judicious next time, and post your and Katz's articles separately. I was hoping never to see this guy's name again, let alone to have to wade through his regurgitated spoo to read something decent by Cmdr. Taco. Globbing Katz in with others defeats the purpose of filtering by author.
    Beer recipe: free! #Source
    Cold pints: $2 #Product
  • Just out of curiosity, how do you "sink to new heights?" Do you do it in the same manner by which you "center around?"
  • Hmm, in terms of being pro-meat, at least last night's Simpsons wasn't nearly as bad as some KOTH episodes I've seen. The most recent KOTH, with the photo of Hank's "beef filled colon", which mentions the (real) Texas law against "defamation of beef", was particularly disgusting.

    If you're going to be politically correct, though, I'm not so sure what to make about the recent theme that Homer and Bart get to go on cool adventure while Lisa and Marge stay home and install a new doorbell. As others have noted, the episodes where Marge gets to kick ass and take names are often the funniest for me (like the recent episode where she saves Homer and family from the rhinos at the zoo in her new "F-series" Canyonero).

    I know there's such a thing as "suspension of disbelief", but I just can't see how they could explain away Homer being able to drive an 18-wheeler (not to mention a train!) with no prior experience. It would have been just as bad if Fry was able to fly the spaceship perfectly with no prior experience, and notice how Groening doesn't try to do that in Futurama.

    Again, for Homer to keep getting stupider in each new episode, while simultaneously gaining unexplained new skills, is a really poor effect.

  • He'd chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could - if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

    Answered.
  • Gah! This most recent season of the Simpsons has been so bad. Did Matt steal away all the good writers to work on Futurama?


    Lisa's character has changed from the show's confused manifestation of Matt himself into some fruity new-age stereotype. Homer is just stupid anymore in very predictable ways. I can hardly bring myself to watch it anymore. I hope Matt stays on the Futurama project a lot longer than he stuck with the Simpsons.


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.

  • 'member "Akbar and Jeff"? I doubt it's a Star Wars reference.


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
  • The premise is nearly identical to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.


    Not that I'm complaining, I always thought it would make a good cartoon.


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.

  • It's not social commentary, it's just the way we are.


    They don't call it the Left coast for nuttin'.


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.

  • I personally liked the label on Bender's beer: Olde Fortran


    ROTFLMAO!


    --
    As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.

  • I think the little "preachy" part at the end of the
    episode was intentially ironic. Remember, Fry
    wanted freedom of selfdetermination because he
    did not want to be stuck being a delivery guy the
    rest of his life. And what did he end up as at
    the end of the episode? a delivery guy.
  • Enquiring minds want to know!
    -----
  • I mean, who do you think fits the Siskel model the best and who fits the Ebert model?
    -----
  • And I'm not saying this just because the redhead was awfully darn cute.

    I agree... but she did get me to start watching the show...

  • Grock This...

    There are hidden "alien" messages all over the show... If you take a look at the "Slurm" Advert, you will see an alien language/code those "letters" translate to the word Slurm. In theory more hints will be in each episode so we can all look forward to decoding the messages

  • I really liked one scene near the beginning of the episode. Fry was delivering Pizzas to the Cyrogenics place, and he passed a newstand on his way there, and the newspaper headlined: "Milinnieum Doomsdayers Cautiously Optimistic" :)

  • Bender is definitely the best apt of the show.

    Did you notice that when they were inside Fry's great-great-great....great nephew's house, that when the cops were pounding on the door, Bender shat a brick? I thought that was hilarious. And when he took the three bottles of booze out, and drank them all himself. That was truly excellent. I'm pretty impressed, considering that was the first show. I just know that show is going to be sooo funny!!

    (he shat a brick! hee-hee!)
  • | "a lonely Cyclops"
    | No mention that she is an alien. With Xena on
    | prime time, you might point out her purple hair
    | and non-human species. Cyclops is a greek myth.

    Huh? The character herself said she was an alien in that whole speechlet about how she understands what Fry is going through.

    [lightsabers]
    | And they aren't wimpy.

    They were in Futurama. That's why that gag was funny in the first place. :)

  • Frankly my expectations for Futurama weren't all
    that great... the media hype had me a little worried there,
    but on the whole I'd say it was consistantly funny,
    even for a premier. It had a lot of geek appeal
    (Light saber police batons. A riot!) Let's just hope we'll
    see the tongue-in-cheek satire that made The Simpsons so great.
    I also hope to see a variety in the episodes...
    no one wants to see a "Fry goes to Planet X and screws something up" story every week.
    The sci-fi genre gives Groening incredible freedom in what he can do.
    keep up the good work, and I look forward to another big hit!
  • But a Space Delivery guy, much cooler :)
  • I thought Bender was very similar to Marvin the Paranoid Android in the Hitchhikers Guide. He's very depressed and suicidal. But he's also quite like Kryten, the mechanoid in Red Dwarf, who breaks his programming so that he can think for himself. As far as the entire premise, I don't think that it tried to copy either one, but they all create a setting in which the main character feels very out of place. They are also 3 of the best examples of sci-fi humor.
  • Sure but now he is a delivery guy with a SPACE SHIP! I think that's where the nerd factor comes in.
  • Marge: Homer, it's the thought that counts. The moral of the story is a good deed is its own reward.

    Bart: Hey, we got a reward. The head is cool.

    Marge: Then... I guess the moral is no good deed goes unrewarded.

    Homer: Wait a minute. If I hadn't written that nasty letter, we wouldn't've gotten anything.

    Marge: Well... Then I guess the moral is the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    Lisa: Perhaps there is no moral to this story.

    Homer: Exactly! Just a bunch of stuff that happened.

    - "Blood Feud" [snpp.com]

    Jamie McCarthy

  • Sounds good... shame about the 'Great Big Hammer of Morality (tm)' though... anyone have any idea if/when the series might get aired in the UK?

    Personally, I always liked the 'wheel of morality':

    Wheel of morality , turn turn turn, tell us the lesson that we must learn... and the moral of today's story is...
  • I enjoyed Futurama thoroughly, and I think it has a lot of potential to be a great show. Simpsons is unfortunately getting a bit long in the tooth and this season has not been particularly good, IMHO. I hope that Groening is able to revive the level of humor that the Simpsons used to have with this show - and the art is definitely significantly more polished.

    My one beef would be that I was sad to see this take the time slot of 'That 70s Show'. I realize that it'll be back over the summer, but I hope that they give it a good time slot and keep it around - I thought it was a pretty funny show with some brilliant moments. And I'm not saying this just because the redhead was awfully darn cute.

    Anyway, good reviews guys. (You know, I just realized I'll probably never see this response because my comment threshold is too high. Oh well...)
  • Did Matt steal away all the good writers to work on Futurama?

    No. All the Good Writers stayed away from OFF after about Season 6.

    --

  • I heard there would be many references to Star Wars in Futurama. I didn't believe it until I saw the name of a bar in Fry's home time (1999) called "Akbar." That had me rolling for a few minutes.
  • That part was hilarious; probably the best part other than Leonard Nimoy and Richard Nixon.
  • Sorry, but I didn't crack a laugh once during the premiere episode which was full of tired, lame gags and stupid slapstick. Peak Simpsons are great, and I still manage to get a few hearty laughs out of the new ones, but Futurama just didn't cut it at all. I can see the whole "Nineties Loser Meets The Future" growing really tired, really fast.

    I'll watch a couple more episodes before never bothering to watch it again, though. Not worth my time at all.

    ian.
  • by GeorgeH ( 5469 )
    How about a /. Poll over Katz v. Taco?

    Also, did anyone else notice that Leela (or whatever, the one-eyed alien) was Agent "1BDI"? Say it out loud... It's subtle stuff like this that's going to make the show a hit.
  • AFAIK Jon Katz is not Jonathan Katz, TV's Dr. Katz. Although Jonathan Katz is a bit of a geek, as he did go on Conan O'Brian and show off his PalmPilot Pro.
  • hmm I guess I won't tell Jon Katz about this!
  • An ex-newspaper journalist, now net-journalist once explained to me the biggest difference between the media. In newspapers, you always write to the lowest common denominator, the stupidest reader that would be likely to read the piece. On the web, you could write at the level that was most applicable for the article.
    This is still the case with TV. The TV execs haven't yet realised that although its great to get as many people as possible watching your show for the exposure of advertising, it would be just as useful to target a smaller, smarter, more economically active segment of the population.
    Thats why TV sucks. Its targeted at the moron next door.
  • Late Breaking news: The new Octium XIII processor from Intel is know to have a few bugs adding "1000" to its date field. All applications and hardware should be throughly tested for this latest in a stream of bugs plaguing Intel from its early Pentium days.
  • But the distortions in Groening's work are quite strong. I'm still floored that they were able to take 3D objects and make them look like Life in Hell.

    Schwab

  • As someone with limited amateur-level experience in creating 3D art and animation, Futurama is simply incredible. They took "real" 3D objects and made it look like a forced-perspective 2D cartoon.

    Simply amazing!

    Schwab

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  • I read 3001 and was very disappointed.
    Nowhere near as good as the other three.

    ebw
  • I hate to nitpick here, but Katz only used the word "our" once, and that was in the phrase "our hero"

    Maybe you are mainly referring to his other articles (which I usually ignore).
  • The great thing about the early Simpsons was not that the moral was subtle, it was that the show didn't take sides. They'd show the good and bad aspects of both sides of an issue, and lampoon both equally.
  • Using "real 3d" to make 2d characters, floating around and occasionally folding themselves.
  • I dunno, I think Bender is funnier than Homer already. The "meat bag" line was beautiful.

    You're right about the spock thing, of course.
  • And I think his point was that The Simpsons was better when it didn't preach. The lobster episode's a good example. One of my favorites. Whereas most of the ones with Lisa on a soapbox got old really fast.
  • The toon-like look of the 3D objects comes from a software plug-in to whichever 3D renderer they used. A lot of programs have them now, they've been around for years.

    This isn't the best use I've seen of the technique: the 3D objects didn't seem flat enough, and their signature CGI motion made them stick out too much when they were background details. It was distracting.

    If you want a truly magnificent integration of CGI and conventional animation, see "Princess Mononoke" when Disney releases it. Where's the CGI? YOU WON"T BE ABLE TO TELL!

    Jon Acheson
  • did anyone encode the realvideo clip yet??? i missed it barely on sunday! and i'm not sure if they're going to reair it (i hope they do).

    unrelated: is our Katz the same as the one who created Dr. Katz on Comedy Central?

  • If I recall correctly, Bender quit because he found out he was working for the company that made the suicide booth. Anyone with a better memory (or a tape) care to confirm?

    fwiw, I thought the suicide booth (and the rest of the episode) was quite funny.
  • No, darn - there were way too many heads to catch them all. I was frantically trying to take in as many as I could. The best one, though, was Matt Groening's - it was just to the right of the gap that Fry and Bender were posing through...
  • Thanks to JabberWokky for writing the review of the review I wanted to write. Now I can go to lunch on time. All I wanted to add is in my title.
  • Gene is the one in a wooden box, six feet under. Roger is the fat one, roaming around, thinking of what to do next.
    --Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
  • In the suicide booth, Bender uses a quarter tied
    to his finger to pay for it, then yanks the
    quarter out--even though he's committing suicide
    and won't be able to use it again.

    In the bar, Bender talks about how he could bend
    girders to any degree... 30, 32, ....31.

    Bender's 'Olde Fortran' Malt Liquor

    In "Old New York" after Fry talks about never
    seeing anyone he knows again, Blender
    says "there's someone you know!" (Refering to
    Leela, who at the time was hunting them down)

    This is the best: When Fry and Leela have
    their "moment" Bender puts his hand on top of
    both of theirs, stealing Leela's ring. Leela
    quickly notices and Bender gives it back. Then
    he says "Well, that solves the case of the
    missing ring! This calls for a drink." He then
    pulls out 3 beers, and instead of giving one to
    each person, chugs them all.

    Another part, that everyone knows, is when they
    are partially surrounded, he $h*ts a brick.

    One other thing, I wasn't sure if it was
    intentional or not... After he $h*ts the brick,
    he says "We're Boned!" The first time I thought
    he said "Doomed" but after playing it through
    over and over I discovered it is "Boned." Can
    they not say "screwed" on television, or was it
    just something stupid that I took way to far?

    One footnote--Another thing I noticed (not about
    Bender) was Leela's ..uh.. officer ID number?
    When she called for backup, she said this is agent
    "1 B D I". Just something small and stupid that
    I overlooked the first time thru.


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    ~enucite~
  • Bender! As you've noticed, he drinks. Ever heard of the expression "Going on a Bender"?
  • The moral of the story was we should be free to choose what we do? Fry spends most of the show dodgeing the cops to prevent becoming a delivery boy. He wants more in life and doesn't want his fate determined for him. Then in the end, fate steps in and he ends up a cargo handler (delivery boy). Was the system right all along? But, WHOO HOO, it's on a spaceship so who cares! Funny stuff...
  • OK I usually dont step on Katz toes, but atlease Rob wrote an original artical, I cant help thinking I read Katz's artical before, oh wait I did, it was in Wired a month ago. Atleast you took out the interveiw with Groening. Anyone find this funny since Katz worked for Wired?
  • I once heard about how sitcoms could be measured
    i jokes/minute, and how Seinfeld had one of the
    largest numbers of all shows. The Simpsons has a
    pretty high jokes per minute rate, but what makes
    it interesting is the intertwining of chuckles and
    the general abstraction that the show has developed.

    Futurama didn't seem to have as many jokes. And
    the ones it did have were annoyingly in the
    background. (well, maybe I just missed a lot of
    them because of that) I guess it needs time to
    develop it's own pace (if it isn't crushed first)

    of course, the funniest show in the world is The
    Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin.. and these
    shows just don't compare. imnsho.
  • Characters saying hell, damn, ass, homers indecent exposures, implied sex in a mini-golf windmill, spoofing the X-files, if you are too sensitive to things the Simpsons can always offend or alienate someone, if not everyone.
    More than being offended by the Slaughterhouse restaurant, you should consider that being the Simpsons it was not so much praising steak houses, but satirizing them, no matter how good an Outback steak tastes. (mmm aussie chips...)And if that doesn't help, remember that no animals were actually harmed by the filming of this weeks episode.

    Is is just me, or should Senior DingDong get his own spin off?
  • Matt Groening has always done social commentary - on a smaller scale with the simpsons, but much more overtly in his "Life in Hell" strip. And suicide is a solution to all life's problems, by definition. Duh. ;) Anything Groening wants to shove down my throat is ok with me.

    -lx
  • Heh, right on...hope you get your homepage back up...:)

    -lx
  • yeah, except this time there's actually a producer laid out(maker of austin powers :P I was kind of hoping for Michael Nesmith, who had been mentioned for the job earlier), the script under production, and a major company making it(caravan, I believe). The things that have changed since the original musings about a movie are that several Sci-fi comedy movies have actually been able to make it big, convincing major production companies that they can make money, whereas before, it hadn't been done.
    -lx
  • Maybe I missed something but...

    From Katz:
    "Asked by the incredulous and worshipful Fry what he's doing there, Nimoy declines Fry's request that he do "Spock" talk."

    I thought the joke was because Fry wanted him to do the trademark Spock hand sign (not talk), and, of course, he couldn't. He's only a head. I laughed.

    Anyway, did anyone see the Matt Groening head? It was right next to Fry and Bender when they were trying to hide as heads on the shelf. I bet in slow motion there are a lot of neat heads. The opening scene of the Simpsons shows almost every character sitting on a lawn. It's just too fast to see.

    Hopefull these episodes will get better. At least half of what's funny about the Simpson's is Homer. And there's no Homer. They need to make one quick. I don't mean carbon copy that character onto this show, but make an equally funny character. It seems like they're all straight men. Maybe it's just me.
  • Ok. I have to admit, this is one of the only times I have seen something in a /. article I never thought I would see... Different views!

    Whatever people may think of the actual articles, this is by far two very different views on the same subject and I am glad I had the chance to see both views!

    Katz and Taco did a wonderful job at taking two different directions while wondering the same path. I just wish more /. articles could have this type of time taken with them. I find that too many times the articles are written from just one view and usually a little to biased for my taste.

    Thanks ./! You did this well...

    DavonZ
  • Every so often, usually in response to a rather long post, someone (or someones) adds a "proofread things before you post!!!!1111" or "characters, not charachters!!!1111" tag to Mr. Malda's generally nicely worded article.

    I don't remember where (maybe the faq), but Rob has said that he's a programmer, not a writer. I mean, come on; all the thousands of lines of code it takes to run a joint like Slashdot and you're going to fault him for some silly spelling mistakes? Have you ever noticed that the mistakes are generally always the same ones? For example, "to" and "too" are often switched, and the "charac(h)ter" example already mentioned. This probably means that this is how he thinks the word is spelt, in which case the mistake would not be detected upon rereading.

    The emphasis on spelling is completely overdone in our society. We have all these spelling bees which really serve no purpose. The national spelling bee is broadcast on ESPN to give the kids a sense of importance, but honestly, spelling is one of the more useless talents a person can have.

    Spelling is, of course, important. Proper spelling is necessary in major publications, such as the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times in order for them to be taken seriously. But such publications have armies of editors who proofread articles for a living, and are trained to pick up typographical, spelling, and grammatical errors. Would you suggest Rob employ such a person? What a waste that would be.

    There was a guy in my eleventh grade English class who had atrocious spelling. I can't recall any illustrative examples right now, but I remember that it was pretty terrible. The teacher told us repeatedly that spelling had nothing to do with writing ability, and that some of the best writing she had ever seen was riddled with egregious ($5 please) spelling errors. I, being of the old "if-you-can't-spell-you-can't-write" school of thought, scoffed at her claims. But as the year progressed and I read more of Steve (the bad speller)'s writing, I began to see that she was correct. Despite the errors, his was some of the most beautiful writing I had ever seen. The Educational Testing Service agreed, awarding him a 5 (out of 5) on the English Language and Composition AP Exam.

    And though it's true that spell- and grammar-checkers are available (if not ubiquitous [$5]), who actually writes up their Slashdot comments in Word (or whatever word-processor you prefer), spell-checks them, then cuts-and-pastes them into the Comment box? ANYBODY?

    If you do, sir/madam, you are almost as anal as the guy I met freshman year who refused to make web pages because they didn't look "exactly" the way he wanted, and instead included links to .pdfs that looked "exactly" the way he wanted.

    So in short what I am trying to say is lay off the spelling issue. If it bothers you that much, maybe just email Rob a version sans-errors that he can repost if he wants. I don't really know. I usually pride myself on correct spelling (not to say I don't make frequent mistakes) but I rarely come down on anyone else for their spelling ability (or lack thereof). It's rather petty and doesn't affect the quality of the content. Would you rather Rob stop to examine every "to" or continue writing splendid content? Hmm?

    Right.

    Number of errors in this post: _____
    Ha!

    PS - regarding the moderation, if a post is marked with a -1, how can people see the replies to it if their threshold is +1? Just wondering. I keep mine at -1.

    -Begin Evan's Dumb Signature.....


  • "a shoplifting robot named Bender"
    Shoplifting? Maybe in future episodes... they foreshadowed with the "swipe the ring" bit at the end. But you couldn't get that from this episode. The rest of the article has this problem - it sounds like he's reviewing the press releases than the actual episode.

    "a lonely Cyclops"
    No mention that she is an alien. With Xena on prime time, you might point out her purple hair and non-human species. Cyclops is a greek myth.

    "beat people of the future with wimpy "Star Wars" Jedi laser swords"
    They are lightsabers. "Jedi laser swords"? Think of your audiance when you write, Katz. We know and recognize the term "lightsaber".
    And they aren't wimpy.

    "the first head he runs into is that of Leonard Nimoy, who's being fed fish-flake food in his jar. Asked by the incredulous and worshipful Fry what he's doing there, Nimoy declines Fry's request that he do "Spock" talk. He tells Fry that he's leading a life of "quiet dignity." "
    Wow, he beat this great scene all to hell. First off, Fry asked Nimoy to hold his hand in the Vulcan "V" hand gesture (a la "Live long and prosper". Nimoy indicates that he can't -- no arms. I don't see what the heck this has to do with "Spock" talk. (Actually it was that "Spock" talk phrase that made this rant occur).
    The "quiet dignity" occurs just before the food is dropped in the jar. That makes it much funnier than the implication above - that Nimoy is being fed when Fry encounters him.

    "No network executive believed that America was interested in a dysfunctional cartoon family led by an addled Mom in a bee-hive hairdo and a fat, bald wreck of a father."
    Yeah, there was nothing like "All in the Family" (a predecessor), "Married with Children" (another FOX original series that set the tone of the network), or the proven sucess of the Simpsons as a regular segment on the "Tracey Ullman Show".

    --
    Evan "Maybe it was that coffee I brewed with Water Joe... I seem to have very low tolerance, and I can't even type SQL statements today" E.

  • Matt G, the shows creator says that there lots of "VCR moments" or subtle things that you might not get unless you tape the show..I think he said it in the Wired interview....
    There seemed to be a lot of signs and stuff in the background, you couldn't get to read unless you'd taped it... I should get A VCR....

    This is similar to the simpsons which has (ie when bart cheats on his aptitude test, there is a picture of him next to einsteins picture in the principals office.) hard to see unless you've seen the episode many times.

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