Phantom Menace Soundtrack - First MP3 Single -Pulled 81
MartinD writes "Theforce.net has a link up to the first released
track from "Episode One". Get the single and start listening. " Have I ever mentioned how much I like electronic distribution? Of course, if you read the page, you can find that the RIAA has made them pull it. Yep-time to troll the newsgroups for it.
intellectual property (Score:2)
I'd bet good money that *some* of these same people are the first to howl when there's even a slight perceived infringement on the GPL. The interesting thing is that initially releasing anything under one of the various open-source or "free" models is a choice; code, music and such are not open automatically, but only if their authors choose to make them so. Likewise, if an author/owner of a piece of music, code, film, whaever chooses to make those items non-free, that's also a choice, and that should be respected (and vigorously defended) by the same community that so stridently defends the GPL and other similar licenses.
So be adult about all of this, don't download the MP3, don't advocate piracy, and respect the rights of Lucas, Williams and any other artist.
Quality is fine. (Score:1)
The quality is fine. The people that were complaining were using inferior players (as mentioned by one commentor, mpg123 0.59k sucks, whereas mpg123 0.59q works fine. mpg123 0.59o also doesn't work well, but an old copy of splay I have sounds fine.)
At any rate, since the soundtrack's not available yet anyway, and since it undoubtedly will not be released in singles form, I don't see who this is hurting.
I'll be adding it to MP3 cd #27 soon at any rate.
-A.P.
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Not that simple (Score:1)
...phil
pull my ass, its still there... heres the link :) (Score:1)
http://theforce.net/multimedia/sound/epi/Duel_o
quality kinda sux tho
Watch out for the spoilers in the tracks names! (Score:3)
You Lamers! (Score:1)
Who cares if they want it down or not? I want to hear it and since I'm going to buy the CD anyway, there's no reason I can think of that I shouldn't be able to listen to the MP3.
The RIAA's attitude is one thing, but piracy ... (Score:1)
given here about the quality of the mp3, it sounds
like it was done poorly and rushed, which implies
to me that the original recorder obtained this
illegally. Then they distributed it.
I know that I do agree that the RIAA needs to
change their vision of music distribution, but
it is not our right to steal the work of artists
underneath them just because we disagree with
their ideals. Piracy of music means, in the
end, *less* money for the artists themselves
(in addition to less money for RIAA), and that's
not how to show support for artists and dissent
for RIAA. Instead, write letters to the artists
and the people that make the music (in this
case, John Williams and George Lucas), and
explain the benefits of the MP3 format for
music distribution.
Quality is fine. (Score:1)
So it might be right for this one track? Does
that it mean it's right for other music? For
example, what if "One Week" was leaked on MP3
before BNL's Stunt came out? Would more people
buy the album? Probably not, as that's the
only real good song on that, and thus the
sales of the album would go down, and BNL's
final profits would be hurt.
You can't justify it for one case, and then
say its wrong for every other one. Piracy
is piracy, and two wrongs don't make a right.
why would his browser matter? (Score:1)
You're right in suggesting an alternative player though. Some players are better at removing artifacts and other nastiness than others.
MIRROR: Duel of the Fates (Score:1)
and to the RIAA...
Kiss my ass!
WTF -- this sounds terrible (Score:1)
But the recording sounds like SHI*T! Not just the hiss, but all these little pops and whistles and garbage. OUCH!
What on earth did they do to this poor little mp3? This sounds like it was really badly ripped or something like that, not the high-quality high-production-values stuff we expect from Lucas/Williams.
I don't get it (Score:1)
PS -- Tannin: better mail the alpha address again. But don't expect any alphas unless you're doing a review for someone (or plan to publish it)...
what is the choir singing? (Score:1)
what is the choir singing? (Score:1)
Because (Score:1)
When a child throws a tantrum, a responsible parent will *spank* that child.
The RIAA *must* be *spanked* as often as possible!
Also, the obvious response to your plea is that an article *about* free beer will attract a majority of folks *interested* in free beer.
(belch)
'scuse me.
Easy. (Score:1)
Easy. He's distributing it anyways. Darn kids!
intellectual poverty (Score:1)
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
; )
Re:yada yada yada (Score:1)
Something *is* being done. We're gutting the mafioso middlemen out of the picture.
Artist ===> { web } ===> Consumer
Re:The RIAA has a right to care (Score:1)
And yet...there they are!
MP3 first, buy second (Score:1)
Eventually, it dawned on me that I was turning the volume _down_ to avoid the irritating stuff about ten times more often than I was turning the volume -up- to enjoy the music more. And since my budget was extremely tight, and I didn't want to blow $12 or more on a CD I'd listen to a few times and realize I only liked maybe one or two tracks on the whole thing, I pretty much just listened to less and less music, until I rarely listened to any. And then MP3s came along, and now I can try out and listen to whatever I want, from among (tens of?) thousands of selections, in the comfort of my own home, without having to announce my musical tastes to the whole world at the checkout line, and without having to put up with the pissy attitude of the flunkies running the cash registers.
For selection, comfort, style, and service, the current situation is darn near unbeatable. I could be grudgingly persuaded to become more flexible on the price, if I had to. *grin*
You Lamers! (Score:2)
"Wipe them out. All of them." (Score:1)
-- RIAA, instructing it's members on MP3s.
RIAA is doing it's usual chasing-genies-after-they've-been-let-out routine. When will they learn?
Look, you can bicker about piracy and the rights of artists all you like, but the fact is, the RIAA still keeps acting way out of line: Repeatedly, legitimate MP3s are pulled because the RIAA applied pressure to the artists who chose to release their own music in that format, instead of via traditional, retailer-friendly, RIAA-approved methods.
Note that, since I don't work at LucasFilm, I have no idea whether the Duel of the Fates MP3 is legitimate or not (although, if it's getting airtime across the country, an equivilently-low-quality recording doing the rounds should be a reasonable thing to release), but this does not affect the repeated bad behaviour of the RIAA.
sanskrit? (Score:1)
theforce.net [theforce.net] has a quote from the Boston Globe article mentioned in another comment. It goes like this:
Many of you have noted that the Boston Globe article we mentioned previously WAS referring to Duel of the Fates when saying the lyrics were sanskrit. So now we've got Devanshu Mehta with a possible solution. Keep in mind that none of us here have any clue about Sanskrit, so Devanshu could tell us it translates to "Great Jumpin' Horny Toads!" and we'd never know the difference:
Seems an appropriate description of the Dark Side's power. Can anyone confirm this interpretation? Maybe it's a quote from literature?
The original Globe article is available here [krmediastream.com] but requires a fee for access.
Mirror Up (Score:1)
listen first, purchase second (Score:1)
This is cool.... (Score:1)
nm, next time i'll be sure be sure to read ... (Score:1)
RIAA and MP3's (Score:1)
Yeah, pulling it will SURE be effective. Maybe when the recording industry catches a collective clue about the net, they'll be more effective.
intellectual property (Score:1)
Have you been reading the comments, Anon Coward?? These people are seeking out CDs that they would have otherwise passed over because they heard some MP3s by the artist. Artists should be rejoicing at this wide exposure. I'm going to buy the Episode I CD. MP3s don't become valuable collector's items ;)
Stable, Fast, Mirror (Score:1)
intellectual property (Score:1)
um (Score:1)
and everything sounds juat about like it should.
i know winamp does artifact reduction,
i guess x11 does the same.
and with a couple tweaks of xmixer and x11's
built in equalizer,
i got rid of almost all the hiss.
ari, i'm assuming you know not to try and d/l through netscape.
my best advice would be to re-d/l or try another player.
-TK
P.S. btw, whatever happened to possibly getting me a FnD alpha password?
why would his browser matter? (Score:1)
at least a couple settings in them.
i haven't tried d/ling mp3s in netscape under linux,
but with the default config in 95,
it perceives the file as ascii,
and thus drops the 8th bit,
garbling the file,
but not necessarily destroying it entirely.
of course,
from actually hearing those files,
while you can recognize the original,
actually hearing the melody is tough.
not the issue here,
but the reason i use wget when it really matters.
curious (Score:1)
you fear it might replace any need to purchase?
too early to make even that determination?
too far from release,
enough might change to make it a significantly different game?
all devel and debug done internally?
worried of contract issues down the road?
sorry for all the questions,
but i'm honestly curious here.
You Lamers! (Score:1)
-may the source be with you
Re:You Lamers! (Score:1)
Solution: Don't post MP3's in America (Score:1)
If the RIAA insist of driving the music distribution business away from America, then so be it. Stuff them. This is a global village and you don't have to stop off at their house.
Vik
WTF -- this sounds terrible (Score:1)
You can download it here... (Score:3)
http://home.san.rr.com/mosespa/ [rr.com]
Just go to the soundtracks section and then to Episode 1.
MIRROR: Duel of the Fates (Score:1)
You can get it here to:
The RIAA can bite all our asses.ftp://146.57.193.188/duel.mp3 [146.57.193.188]
RIAA = (Score:1)
Not that simple (Score:1)
intellectual property (Score:1)
Too Late! (Score:1)
"Nooooooo!!!!!"
Oh well, I was pretty sure about #15 anyway. Of course, I have not been following much of the plot information that has been going around the web, so that particular piece of information may be common knowledge, in which case I just look stupid.
Star Wars, MP3, RIAA - yes but... (Score:1)
Think about it. The recording industry decides what bands will get recording contracts, have albums produced and thus control what the consumer can ultimately hear and/or buy.
MP3 changes all that. Any band with the means to record their own material and encode MP3 can distribure their music without having to kiss the collective ass of some record company.
If the music is good, it will be picked up and distributed on the net. This has to bug the crap out of music industry executives. It threatens to upset the whole order of the existing 'industry'.
Seems to me that protecting the economic interests of the recording artists themselves is not the real issue. I don't know about everyone else, but dl-ing mp3 files has never precluded my from buying a cd, but I have been turned-on to bands that would probably never get big recording contracts and lots of radio airplay.
God I love the net. It is changing the way things are, bit by bit.
intellectual property (Score:1)
For instance, the whole thing about Public Enemy's company forcing them to pull one of their own songs (in mp3 format) from their website. Come on now. Who are you protecting?
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Quality is fine. (Score:1)
Piracy is piracy you say, but what consititues piracy? The "stealing" of profits from the rightful owner? I'd say that suffices for a simple definition, and by that messure, there is no piracy here. As was mentioned previously, there is very little chance that the Episode One soundtrack will be released in any singles form, so the worst that happens is some people that would have bought the album based on past experience with Williams music might hear this track and decided they didn't like the new stuff and thus not purchase the album. However, the other side of that is true as well. Many people who wouldn't have spent money on a CD full of music they didn't know will now have the chance to hear it and thus the prospective audience for the CD increases.
Blah..I'm rambling...
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List of fast, stable mirrors (Score:1)
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How about a mirror? (Score:1)
Anybody want to put up a mirror with the file on it? I'm too lazy to track down 47 parts of a uuencoded message from a newsgroup I never frequent.
Non-extriditing country (Score:1)
"My client doesn't like how you are making fun of them. Take it down immediatly, or we will launch a law suite that is unconstitional, but you can't afford to defend against."
"OK, I will take it down, but Djabji will just post if for me in Equidor, where you can't touch _his_ ass."
Piracy!=theft (warning! pedantry ahead!) (Score:1)
Data piracy is not theft. Theft implies that I, in my role as pirate, am taking a tangible thing from you, in your role as intellectual property owner. But the problem is, data doesn't work that way. If I make a copy of your music, you have not lost anything. It's not like I stole your master tapes at gunpoint or something. You're just as well off if I download the MP3s of the album as you are if I just don't buy it; you don't suffer any loss of revenue, since I'm too darn cheap to buy your album anyway. :)
Sorry, I'm just tired of hearing RIAA, SPA, etc. flog this particular dead horse. Intellectual property violation is a category all its own.
What if it were YOUR code? (Score:1)
What if you had spent days, weeks or months coding, testing and debugging a new application. Shortly after completion, however, you find out that an associate has taken your executable code and posted it throught the Internet. How would you feel?
Attitudes change when you are the one doing all the work, intead of merely benefitting from someone else's creative efforts and years of experience. Data Piracy is Theft. That's the bottom line. An MP3-encoded sound track is NOT like source code that can be used as a teaching tool, modified and then turned into something even more effective. A stolen soundtrack (whether poorly dubbed onto cassette, CD or MP3) is a final product that belongs to someone.
Spend some time producing code that other people actually want, and sooner or later you may run across a "friend" who DECIDES FOR YOU that your right to ownership does not matter. It may open your eyes to the world of Intellectual Property and the U.S. legal system.
There is a difference: Open Source software is NOT "Open Season" software. Did the author give permission? Theft is Theft.
Piracy IS Theft (Score:1)
When a piece of music (or software) is created, in this country it is the intellectual property of its creator. When another person makes use of that property (by playing the music or running the application), it is the legal right of the owner to require some form of credit for such use. Such "credit" commonly takes the form of monetary compensation in the Western world, but that is always the case. However, the creator's legal right to control use of his private property (even intellectual property existing in the form of digital data) remains in effect for quite some time! Unless the creator has given up ownership, he has the right to sue others for violation of his restrictions on use of said property.
When a musical score is created and sent to a company for CD/tape mastering, distribution and selling, the owner of that music wants credit in the form of money and recognition. To obtain an illegal copy of the music (a bootlegged CD, MP3 download, etc.) is a violation of the intellectual property rights of the owner because the strict guidelines set forth in his contract with the record company/distributor/etc. has not been followed.
If a painting was illegally copied, there would be no question as to the painter's rights. A novelist would also demand compensation in a case of plagerism. One of the definitions of "plagerism" is "to use the work of another without giving credit." (Literary plagerism is simply the most common form of it.) Data piracy is plagerism, which is a form of theft.
In the case of Duel of the Fates, it was stolen while apparently in the possession of the distributors. Lucasfilm may be able to sue their distributors for the loss of potential record sales due to inadequate security around their product. That is why the RIAA stepped in.
What if it were YOUR code? As I stated before, you would feel differently if you had created something of value and another person copied it without giving you the "credit" you deserve and demand up front --- name recognition, monetary compensation or anything else you ask for. That's the law in this country!
Solution: Don't post MP3's in America (Score:1)
Ryan -- 26gigs and a T3
http://www.ryans.dhs.org
MIRROR: Duel of the Fates (Score:2)
http://www.ryans.dhs.org
Oh, and the RIAA can bite my ass.
http://www.ryans.dhs.org
Star Wars, MP3, RIAA (Score:2)
Which is why the RIAA grates on my nerves. They claim MP3's are cutting into record sales. Fine. Less kids are buying CDs becase they can listen to them on their computers.
What about working professionals who buy CDs regularly. I bought 8 cds over the weekend. If it wasn't for MP3's floating around the net letting me hear things I never would pick up in a record store, I doubt I would have purchased that many.
Hell, I may even get that Madonna tribute CD after hearing a couple of the songs... and I *despise* that pop/top40 junk
So the RIAA can kiss my ass.
Mirror Up (Score:2)
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Duel of the Fates .mp3 (Score:1)