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Episode II Rumours 225

Posted by justin++ from the media-drivel dept.
SPL wrote in with a link to E! Online's Episode II rumours Interesting ideas; it seems almost certain that Obi-wan and Mace Windu will have larger parts. DiCaprio as Anakin? Darth Maul's clone? I think I'll be happy as long as Jar Jar doesn't return.
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  • I thought he was very good in:

    What's eating Gilbert grape
    Total Eclipse
    Romeo & Juliet

    Although he's been in his fair share of duff films as well

    I think he would be an interesting (if not neccesarily the best) actor for the role.



  • It also produces a degree of contradiction.

    Much of The Force seems to be a power culminating in and directed by the mind. Any connection between a high concentration of any type of cell and a supernatural mental ability seems small and possibly negligent.

    The high-concentration of 'Jedi-Cells' may explain how a Jedi is able to manipulate his power to effect the physical world around him, but it does not address where the power itself truly originates from. An example (though perhaps not the most illustriative) is that you may have strong and powerful legs, but that does not make you an effective full-back, sprinter, or basket-ball player. If you are a basket-ball player though, those strong-legs will be very useful.

    It's difficult to imagine how a bunch of plasma-cells can enable one to defy gravity on a whim and sense events far away. It also does not explain the appearence of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin in ghostly silhouttes in the last installments of the trilogy. Seemingly supernatural events.

    In essence, the entire explanation lacks credability because it explains how the power can be directed from the body to the world, but does nothing to explain how the power itself manifests and why. And to completely avoid any correlation to the mind and it's incredibly un-tapped potential serves only to relegate The Force to the same importance and awe of any element in the Periodic Table.

    Star Wars would have kept it's thrilling grasp without the explanation and nobody would ever have questioned its lack. Like Jar-Jar Binks, this was another example of why keeping a script as trim and uncluttered as possible is essential to exceptional writing.

    Why use a thousand pages to convey what you can in five and why accomplish with ten characters what you can accomplish in four?
    ---
    seumas.com

  • Just don't let Lucas direct. I don't care if Leo plays Anakin as long as he does a good job. I don't care if JarJar is back, as long as they make him a bit more serious.

    Just bring back Ivan Rietman (I'm probably spelling that very wrong) and put some darkness into it.
  • I can not imagine Lucas thinking in D'Caprio.
  • Clone = flesh and blood exact animal replica of the original.

    Drone= articifical mechanical objects replicated in huge amounts that cant think.

    Lucas loves drones, but he hasn't dealt with a clone yet. You guys are in wishful thinking mode if you think Lucas is going to suddenly grasp this concept. Sure, the rest of sci-fi world knows it and believes in it, but Lucas has this need to keep each character as one whole being and doesn't like to complicate his scripts with sophisticated story lines. afterall, the idiots who like Jar Jar wouldn't be able to cope if things got a little interesting ;)
    "Why do you eat meat? Because I love the thought that some animal died and that its blood feeds my soul. Bwaaahahahahahaahahahahaah"
    Love from Ms Jute.
  • They better film it now, Harrison Ford ain't no spring chicken.
  • Ugh! please oh please oh PLEASE dont let Leonardo DeCrappio be in it!

    My vote is for Adam Sandler. I can just immagine him wielding a light saber with that goofy look on his face.

  • Perhaps he could be cut in half in a freak lightsabre accident.

    Obi Wan: "oops"
    Mace: "Yousa does a bombad ting, Obi Wan Jedi!"

  • Leonardo DiCaprio's Movies over $100 Million Dollars:
    Titanic
    DiCaprio has been in 12 Movies for a combined total of ~$760 Million Dollars.

    Harrison Ford's Movies of $100 Million Dollars:
    Star Wars
    Return of the Jedi
    Empire Strikes Back, The
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
    Fugitive, The
    Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
    Air Force One
    Clear and Present Danger
    American Graffiti

    Harrison Ford has been in 31 movies for a combined total of $2.9 BILLION dollars.
    I think Ford picks much better scripts than Leo.


  • Maybe its just me, but it seems like you guys wheren't really paying attention when they started talking abouth those microorganism things. IIRC, they don't /cause/ the Force, they just are an /interface/ to the Force. If they caused the force, how could Jedi manipulate inanimate objects? I don't recall the lines exactly, but it was implied on several occations that they act on /behalf/ of the Force; they tell you whats up about the Force, etc. they concieved Anikan at the behest of the Force.

    Maybe I'm just smokin it, or maybe you need to pay more attention to things. :)
  • "Woaa Ted, that's your Mom dude, I mean,
    I am your father, Luke".

    Rufus from Bill and Ted's shows up, schools Palpatine on the guitar...
  • Hmhh - thats not correct. They shot the scenes with a stand-in actor (Ahmed Best, also providing the voice) mainly to give the real actors hints where to look and also as (lighting etc.-) assistance to the CGI-Teams. But finally they totally replaced him with CGI (they did that before in Special Edition Ep. IV, where some guy played Jabba and was replaced by a digital image).
  • I remember reading something(can't remember where I read it though) about George Lucas having a commitee that would read through any books about Star Wars to make sure they continued the continuity of the Star Wars Universe.
    A perfect example is in Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, the Norghri were initially the Sith but Zahn was told he couldn't use the Sith because it might contradict some things in the SWU.

  • I didnt say that SW-Fans dont like humor but that (some) dont like the JarJarBinks-Form of Humor.

    And dont you mean "I dont like" when you say "We true SW-Fans dont like"? Iam certainly a true SW fan but I actually like _some_ of Jar Jars scenes. Not all of them, but some. Then you speak about intelligence - but I cant find find much intelligence in feeling insulted by George Lucas with a character you dont like.

    You have some (very good) point when you talk about the lack of relevance Jar Jar has to the plot - but the whole plot lacks a little bit of relevance to me.

    I think the problem is that Lucas totally get lost in the possibilities of what ILM can do - while they are very amazing I would have preferred less SFX-shots in trade to some mory story-elements.
  • He should have been MUTE from the start! Yes! Change nothing about him except take away all vocal capability! Lucas still would have caught flak for the rest of the Gungans, but the character could have still pleased the kiddies and been MUCH less annoying. Anyone to second? It'd be a lot easier to achieve than completely digitally editing the character out...
  • Aye agree.

    However, if the rumors at the linked site are even ballpark close, he may have introduced the bogosplanation as a prop necessary to the plot for the "clone wars" spin in ep II.

    Just a guess; still don't like it.

  • An afterthought:

    Could you not draw plasma from a Jedi and inject it into, say, a Wookie? And if The Force is tangible, could you not synthetically reproduce it as modern scientists are capable of doing with the human-growth hormone?

    Theoretically, The Empire could use their funding to easily replicate the biological properties needed for the Jedi ability and produce a massive army of enhanced troops.
    ---
    seumas.com

  • There is a world outside of the US. Some of us havn't seen this movie yet, and the comments about Darth Maul's clone seems to give the game away a little. Could you please be a little more careful in future Rob?

  • >Excuse my ignorance, but what, who or where is Jar Jar?

    He's Wesley Crusher's twin brother.....
  • HaHA! Lucas' subtle machinations are revealed. MORE JarJar. Leonardo DiCapprio. Darth Vader IS Jesus Christ. After blatantly slandering the Japanese in Episode I, he'd like to "use them" in the sequel. Lucas is obviously just trying to (at this point) piss off everyone who obsesses over Star Wars. Millions of dollars in merchandising alone just to tell people "it's just a movie, for Vader's sake."

    He must be a templar.
  • good call. They do seem so much alike. Both are annoying and both were pointless to the plot of the movie/series.(At least Wesley hasn't been in and Star Trek movies, yet)

  • One word for episode III (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    "Troops". :-) I want 2 hours of Stormtrooper police enforcement baby!
  • I curious about one thing, in the Old Republic it seems to be a requirement to have martial art skills to be a Jedi. Yet in the original trilogy( which granted there were only a few Jedi in it)Luke's training involves almost no Martial Art techniques(I doubt the somesault in the air qualifies as a MA technique),I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the sudden popularity of Martial Arts today(Tai Chi, Tai-Bo, Tai-"insert anything here as long as it sounds good"), or if it is just an amazing coincidence.
    I don't want to start a flame war and I am a big fan of George Lucas, but he seems to put things in this movies that sell, almost as if it was money and not his love of making movies driving this.

    end ranting mode


  • I thought he was awful in romeo and juliet. I thought claire daines(sp) was too and I loved her in my so called life. I could only stomach about 15 minutes of the movie before I wanted to vomit. They both might be good actors, but neither are shakespearean actors. That and I really don't want dicaprio in epII simply because he will draw hordes of 12 year old girls who just want to see the movie because "leo's so hot!!!" and will ruin the experience for the rest of us.
  • Hey, I feel bad for you that you have to wait to see films that we've already seen here, but come on, if you don't want any plot spoilers then don't read this stuff! People aren't going to wait until YOU have seen it before they start talking about it...

  • Has it ever occurred to you that the fact that Harrison Ford is ever so slightly older than Leonardo DiCaprio gives Ford something of an advantage here ?
  • It seems to me that much of the 'problem' with TPM is that a bunch of little kids who went to see the original movies, or saw them on video, have now grown up loving Star Wars, and now expect TPM to appeal to them in the same way the other Star Wars films did when they were seven.

    This is not going to happen.

  • The tentative release date for Episode II is May 24, 2002.
  • So.. I think it's quite obvios why Luke wasn't trained in the martial arts portion of the Jedi training.

    1) Yoda isn't about to do some kickin' nad flippin' through the air anytime soon. And Yoda is the only Jedi Master around.

    2) there wasn't much time.. let's concentrate on the important stuff, mind control, levitating rocks and such.

    3) Vader isn't a martial guy since he went cyborg, but he _is_ the chosen one, so lets's concentrate on mind control.

    By the way.. martial arts.. The word originates from the Roman God Mars, the god of War. Alas.. Martial arts are the arts of war. By hand, by weapon, by diplomacy or by tactic.

    Martial arts should therefor be a natural part of a Jedi's training. but.. Masters like Yoda probaply arn't as good in the traditional martial arts, than for example Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Darth Maul for that matter.. But.. I wouldn't want to meet him in a game of StarCraft ;) Or the pod races for that matter.

    - Henrik
  • I'm afraid Lucas has already commented on a Fox special (ILM from Star Wars to Star Wars) that Jar Jar will most likely return.

    But, persuading him to change his mind is certainly a worthwhile goal :)
  • Face it, if you haven't already watched a pirate copy of the movie, followed all the trailers, and bought the books from Amazon.com, you are really living in the boonies.

    Don't you just love this new digital age? We elect Presidents early (including Shrub, the war wimp), work on version 2.0 before you even get version 1.0, and generally are bored with something (last century's fad) by the time you get excited by it.

    So, just steal\\\\\make a million dollars and move to the US.

    Or stop complaining when you go to a US-based web site that talks about something that's been out for two months.

    Will in Seattle
    who turned down the press screening cause I like the big screen at the Cinerama ...
  • This is as ridiculous as presidential campaigns beginning two or three years before the end of the current president's term!

    Unfortunately Lucas certainly has commented that Jar-Jar will appear in at least the next sequel. Unlike many of my friends who have seen Episode I two dozen times, I found my ass sore and waiting for the movie to end before it was even half-way through. I'm not sure I'm even eager to see Episode II if Jar-Jar is in it. And I'm definitely going to be disappointed if DiCaprio is in it.

    Besides, don't you want an actor who looks at least ten years-old to play Anakin?
    ---
    seumas.com

  • I'm so sick of little idiots like this protesting innocent characters like this...or try to make everything politically correct.

    Do you really believe that George Lucas would put something blatently racist in one of his movies on purpose? Give me a break!!!!

  • That is very www.boondocks.com if you think about it.

    Why not have Jar-Jar learn makeup skills from Queen Amidala and start a TV show? We can call it:

    "Amidala and Andy"

    no, I'm not laughing.

    Will in Seattle
    wish I had a light saber that really worked too...
  • Ugh! please oh please oh PLEASE dont let Leonardo DeCrappio be in it! Call it "Episode II: JarJar's Tale" for all I care. As long as DiCaprio's not in it, it won't be totally ruined. Somebody go beat some sense into George Lucas before its too late, it was bad enough sitting through the horrible kid they casted for anakin in the first one.
  • Clone = flesh and blood exact animal replica of the original.

    Drone= articifical mechanical objects replicated in huge amounts that cant think.

    Lucas loves drones, but he hasn't dealt with a clone yet. You guys are in wishful thinking mode if you think Lucas is going to suddenly grasp this concept. Sure, the rest of sci-fi world knows it and believes in it, but Lucas has this need to keep each character as one whole being and doesn't like to complicate his scripts with sophisticated story lines. afterall, the idiots who like Jar Jar wouldn't be able to cope if things got a little interesting ;)

    "Why do you eat meat? Because I love the thought that some animal died and that its blood feeds my soul. Bwaaahahahahahaahahahahaah"

    Love from Ms Jute.
  • HELL YEAH!!!

    and then, when it's time to choose the dark side (to become vader)
    "stop making fun of me!!!!!!!"
    EXCELLENT :)
  • My theories:

    IF MAul is to return it can be in two manners:

    1) He get's to be cyborgified - the technology exists, but how useful wil he be? and he failed his quest didn't he?

    2) He's cloned.. Sidious probably wanted to protect his investment. Training one Maul is probably not that more easy than tringn to.. or ten.

    And.. the double light-saber is probably just two ordinary ones put together.. and when Obi-Wan cuts it in halv, only one of them is broken.

    but.. I really hope that Maul is buried.. A new, cool Sith Lord would be really neat.. and Maul's character is for ever put on the pantheon of Star Wars.. rest in peace Maul!

    - Henrik
  • The reason the for the linked droid mother ship is the reason that the empire later pursued other more reliable soldiers. Not robots, but clones, an aberration of the force.
  • Posted by Albert Einstein:

    I wouldn't watch another SW movie if you paid me. Check out the review by my favorite reviewer: http://www.sdreader.com/ed/mv/caps/curr/STARWRSI.H TM
  • yeah but there's still a chance that jar jar will be killed and turned into a bloody pulp or turned to the dark side. Now that would be cool!
  • Actually, I didn't find much to complain about with regard to the casting of Anakin in Episode I. Casting someone to play a six or eight year-old Anakin had to be rather difficult and I'm not aware of any other male actors that could pull it off. Actually, I'm not aware of any other six or eight year-old actors, period.

    I did, however, find it disappointing that they had to develop a scientific explanation for The Force. Couldn't The Force simply remain something spiritual? Sure, I'm an agnostic, but I found it more insulting that they had to create a ridiculous explanation based on a cell-count to satisfy this techno-saturated culture of ours than I would have if they had attributed The Force to Christianity and Jesus!

    Star Wars lost some of it's wonder as a result, and The Force may as well be The Farce.
    ---
    seumas.com

  • Excuse my ignorance, but what, who or where is Jar Jar?

    I'm sorry for not being a SW fan, but it looks like everybody talks about him/her/it, so I felt I finally had to ask.

    /* Steinar */
  • Actually, I would like to see an Episode II that features Star Trek NG coming through a time warp and ending up in the Star Wars realm.
    Then the mighty Que could make himself up to be a Sith and in a painfully heart wrenching moment tell Picard "Jean-Luke, I am your father"

  • There were so many other problems too (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Yes, the explanation of the force didn't make much sense (symbiotic creatures living in your cells that "talk to you") and was not necessary to advance the plot. Exactly how do tiny creatures living in people produce action at a distance anyway? I thought the mystery of the power of the force and its origin was played up very well in the other three episodes when it was an energy field with a spiritual influence.

    That certainly wasn't the only problem with the film. Here is just a subset of the things that bothered me:

    1. The gungans are portrayed as simple minded fools yet they live in a sophisticated underwater civilization. What purpose did having the gungans serve? The planet's other civilization could have easily done the final battle scene. I think the gungans were supposed to be comic relief but instead they were just annoying. It is hard not to compare the gungans to the Ewoks, who actually did provide comic relief and were all around better integrated into the story.

    2. Anakin is supposedly too old for Jedi training? Come on. Luke (15 years or so older) was supposed to be too old, but Anakin?

    3. In the other films, Yoda was the master trainer of all Jedis. Obi Wan said that he thought he could train Anakin as well as Yoda but was wrong. Now in TPM, we have a training system of masters and apprentices. Seems inconsistent.

    4. The dialouge about Anakin being "the one" seemed to be a total ripoff of Dune.

    5. As evidence of the force, the film strongly emphasizes Anakin's engineering prowess. This doesn't agree well with the other episodes where the force manifests itself in other ways. Why not have Anakin display a 6th sense about the people he meets or the situations he is in, or have premonitions, or at least play up the force helping him in the pod race.

    6. Why did TPM use an army of droids, while the other movies use armies of soldiers? Overall, Lucas made the droids in TPM more advanced than the other movies that supposedly occur later in time. Having all the droids controlled by the master ship (so that they all stop working when you kill the one target) seemed stupid to me too.

    7. The plot line where Anakin _accidentally_ flies to the mother ship, then _accidentally_ shoots its power source, and then somehow flies out and back down to the surface, is way too over the top for me.

    8. If in the other three episodes, Jedi's could detect the presence of other Jedi's, why couldn't the Jedi's in TPM feel anything around the senator who becomes the emperor?

    9. The direction of the human actors was terrible. Most of the dialogue was read as if from a telestrator. I think only Anakin's mother and the Senator were well acted.

    10. Where were the frequent tidbits of wisdom from the Jedi masters we've come to expect from SW episodes? In those episodes, the Jedi masters displayed a strong presence through their wisdom, patience, and self control. You could tell they were Jedi masters by the way acted. Unfortunately, the Jedi masters in TPM (even Yoda) just read their boring lines practically deadpan.

    I could go on and on. I did enjoy the special effects, and there were a few (very few) characters and sub plots that were well written and directed, but overall the film was a huge dissapointment. I thought I had already lowered my expectations considerably before I went to see it, but I wasn't prepared for just how bad it could get. I was a HUGE SW fan before this film. Now, not only has Lucas put out a total turd, he has even succeeded in spoiling some of the appeal of the original trilogy for me.

  • MiniMaul (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    As many times as Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me referenced Star Wars, it'd be great if Darth Maul had an exact clone, one-eighth his size.

    "I shall call him....MiniMaul"
  • I just felt a disturbance as if thousands of voices suddenly screamed in terror and then were silenced.
  • Jar Jar was a CGI alien put in the movie for comic relief for 12 year olds. With such stunning lines as "exscweeze-me" and "meesa name is jar jar binks," he was supposed to take over the role as the annoying goofball that was C3PO. Only problem was he was 1000x more annoying. C3PO was funny, Jar Jar made me want to hunt down the Gungans (Jar Jar's race) and murder them all. Many people have also complained that Jar Jar has a Jamacan accent is a complete screw up and therefor is a racist statement by Lucas. Maybe no one else noticed but Palpatine sounded almost British, and he goes on to be the dark rule of the galaxy.

    I sincerely hope Lucas decides not to include Jar Jar in the next movie because he was annoying and provided no real substance for the movie. Not to mention listening to all of the Gungans speak gave me a head-ache. They should have had subtitles or something.

    In short: die Jar Jar, die!
  • >Besides, don't you want an actor who looks at least ten years-old to play Anakin?

    Not in the second movie, which is at least 10 years after the first.

  • Re:Episode II Rumors - Some Grounding... (Score:3)

    by PhoneMonkey ( 32729 ) on Wednesday June 30, 1999 @02:48AM (#1825779) Homepage
    This is a dialogue by Luke "Starkiller" on page 30 of the old George Lucas Jan 28, 1975 script for Star Wars.

    Luke Starkiller

    "As the Republic spread throughout the galaxy, emcompassing over a million worlds, the GREAT SENATE grew to such overwhelming proportions that it no longer responded to the needs of it's citizens. After a series of assassinations and elaborately rigged elections, the Great Senate became secretly controlled by the Power and Transport guilds. When the Jedi discovered the conspiracy and attempted to purge the Senate, they were denounced as traitors. Several Jedi allowed themselves to be tried and executed, but most of them fled into the Outland systems and tried to tell people of the conspiracy. But the elders chose to remain behind, and the great Senate diverted them by creating civil disorder. The Senate secretly instigated race wars, and aided anti-government terrorists. They slowed down the system of justice, which caused the crime rate to rise to the point where a totally controlled and oppresive police state was welcomed by the systems. The Empire was born. The systems were exploited by a new economic policy which raised the cost of power and transport to unbelievable heights........................During one of his lessons a young PADAWAN-JEDI, a boy named Darklighter,(Anakin??) came to know the evil half of the force, and fell victim to the spell of the dreaded Bogan(Sith??). He ran away from his instructor and taught the evil ways of the Bogan force to a clan of Sith Pirates, who then spread untold misery throughout the systems. They became the personal bodyguards of the Emperor. ( Mandalorian red guards???) The Jedi were hunted down by these deadly Sith Knights. With every Jedi death, contact with Ashla grows weaker........."

    Looks pretty clear about what he intended to happen in Episodes 2 and 3. This is located at Starwarz.com [starwarz.com]
  • Has anyone ever read the Four Lords of the Diamond series by Chalker (I think)? A rough overview: there's a solar system discovered which is home to a microscopic organism/force. This organism can be found within every cell of all living things (and I think within non-living things, too; it's been a while since I read it) and forms a fairly symbiotic relationship. Only thing is, if you leave the solar system, this organism dies, and you die with it, as all of your cells have become dependant on its presence. So, of course, the intergalactic government uses it as an inescapable prison system.

    Some persons, however, are close enough to this organism to communicate with it. Through will and emotion they can instruct this organism which is a part of them. The organisms within them communicate with the organisms outside of them, transmitting the human user's will. The organisms in the target will manipulate their surroundings to comply with the user's desires.

    For example, an Adept (as I believe they were called) by the name of (for example) Vader could direct his symbiotic organisms to reach out to the organisms in another person with the message, "cut off air supply", and the organisms in the target would cause the victim's windpipe to close (like Keanu's mouth melting shut in Matrix).

    My point (as rambling as it may be) is that perhaps the Force can be found within everyone and everything. Doesn't Yoda say at one point that the Force is in everything? Perhaps control of the Force is a mental/emotional/spiritual ability. "The Force is strong in this one" could mean not that there is a lot of the Force present (as it is in everything) but that the combination of traits necessary to activate and control the Force is strong. The particles that Qui-Gon checks Anakin for could be indicators not of the Force itself, but indicators of activated Force.

    Or, this could just be the product of too little sleep. More coffee....
  • DiCaprio's first four films after his "big break" (Titanic):

    Beach, The (1999)
    Man in the Iron Mask, The (1998/I)
    Celebrity (1998)
    Don's Plum (1998)

    Harrison Ford's first four films after his 'big break' (Star Wars):

    Frisco Kid, The (1979)
    Apocalypse Now (1979)
    Officer Bob Falfa ... aka Purple Haze (1979)
    Force 10 from Navarone (1978) .... Barnsby

    (soon followed by ESB, Raiders... and Blade Runner)

    -

    I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.
  • I know the perfect guy for the part of Anakin for episodes 2 and 3, his name is Jeremy O'Ferral, relatively new actor, 21, cute, but not cutsie, definetly a winner, if only he'd get an audition before its decided.
  • That whole Virgin birth thing is kind of bogus anyway. Shmi is so certain there was no father. Visualize this scenario. Darth Siddious takes a little vacation to Tatooine, notices the pseudo-hot Shmi, and decides to have some fun... "You will have sex with me. You will remember nothing of this." Voila. "Virgin Birth". Or maybe Yoda was into miscegenation. Anakin's definitely got that cute and short thing going on... You've got to admit, it would explain Palpatine's interest in Anakin...

    Geek-grrl in training
    "Of COURSE it's the murder weapon. Who would frame someone with a fake?"
  • I did, however, find it disappointing that they had to develop a scientific explanation for The Force. Couldn't The Force simply remain something spiritual?


    this is a big subject to tackle, but I'll start to give you an idea anyway:

    there is one theory by people in the TM movement (transcendental meditation) that goes like this: (Lucas is himself a TM'er)

    Many of the TM movement's beliefs and practices come from vedic knowledge. (Ancient India- some 6K yrs ago) The current 'leader' although there is none of the TM movement is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi- who talks about the "unified field". The theory is that all of the universe is made up of vibrations (sounds) and everything we see in the universe are the peaks and valleys of these vibrations.

    The unified field is then the plane from which the peaks and valleys erupt. This is actually getting some serious notation from modern physicists, and isn't quite as crazy as it sounds.

    So The Force is really the "unified field" of all knowledge (yep, Life, the Universe, and Everything. . .)

    There's a whole university in a small town in Iowa devoted to this knowledge- link here [mum.edu]. Very interesting place.

    They also practice besides meditation something called "Yogic Flying". If you ever get a chance to see this, do, you won't believe your eyes. I've seen it hundreds of times and it still mystifies me.

    My ex-wife does it- basically lotus position and suddenly hops into the air repeatedly. It's amazing stuff.

    So The Force is a spiritual thing, as well as a scientific one.
  • Luke wasn't a Jedi yet. He didn't complete his training and become a true Jedi until the last episode (after learning the truth about Vadar at the end of episode V).

  • lets have Space Balls Episode 1

    now that would be awesome

  • This is it. I finally can't take it anymore. I have to defend Binks, DiCaprio, and all the other unjustly bashed beings who are unlucky enough not to appeal to 15-yr-old-pimply-hacker-types and their brethen. You see, Star Wars is a movie, which means that it has to appeal to a general audience, which most likely contains children, parents, and females, as well as genuine sci-fi freaks. There are a lot of really kick-ass sf books that, unfortunately, wouldn't appeal to a general audience, and consequently haven't been made into movies. I predict that sometime soon, we'll all be able to animate our favorite plots and characters and trade them online. Until then, well just shaddup and watch.

  • According to several Lucasfilm sources, Episode II will also finally unravel the mystery of the Clone Wars. Why are there all these war droids in the first movie, but all these storm troopers in the latter ones? (You could also ask it like "Why are all the storm troopers the same height and have the same voice?") I thought this one was a no-brainer... but all my non-geek friends don't seem to have gotten it. A farfetched (or is it?) fan theory about Episode II plot twists: The Anakin Skywalker we know from I does not become Darth Vader. Instead, an evil individual takes over Anakin's identity during Episode II and later becomes Vader. This is hard to believe. If his identity is replaced, it's via a clone. He appears at the end of ROTJ... This hardly seems appropriate for an evil jedi who recanted at the last moments... but might be reasonable for a evil clone of a good jedi. Undoubtedly there's a plot twist on the same order of magnitude as Vader being Luke's father... Although Qui-Gon Jinn was struck down by Darth Maul in Episode I, Lucas hints that we may not have seen the last of the Jedi Knight. Many fans have wondered why Qui-Gon does not disappear when Maul stabs him (as Ben Kenobi did in the original), and to that query Lucas replies: "You will discover in the next film why he doesn't disappear. The key line that serves as a clue is from Ben Kenobi to Darth Vader in the original: 'If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.' " If you watch the original trilogy carefully, ObiWan dissappears BEFORE vader's light saber makes contact. Draw your own conclusions...
  • Drew Cary as Anakin:

    "Screw this Jedi crap, Palpatine.
    Let's go grab a beer."

    heehee!

    -The nice thing about cheap jokes is that you can afford so many of them....
  • I actually can't think of anything "Darth Maul's clone" gives away. Darth Maul did not have a clone in TPM, atleast none that the audience was told about. The clone bit is just a bunch of speculation because most people don't want to admit to the fact that one of the few truely cool characters in the movie might not be returning. I'm still waiting for Samuel Jackson to say "use the force mother fucker."
  • The idea that one of the two is a clone is a good theory. Its almost impossible that the two are actually the same person, because the good jedi would have felt SOMETHING while Palpatine was in their presense.

    My theory is that Sideous cloned himself and his clone (with or without the knowledge of Sideous's existance) is being guided to take over the senate. At some point in the future, Sideous will kill off Palpatine and take his place.

    Of course, its also possible that the two characters' similarites is just a ruse to confuse us.

    -Restil
  • Jar Jar was only partial CGI - an actor did a majority of the body movement and such, with CGI placed over the top of him.. Saw the actor on the Today show.. but can't think of his name right now...
  • > I really don't want dicaprio in epII simply
    > because he will draw hordes of 12 year old
    > girls who just want to see the movie
    > because "leo's so hot!!!" and will ruin
    > the experience for the rest of us.

    So, hordes of 12 year old girls are a BAD thing?
    *grin*
  • Posted by Ydeologi:

    Confirmed:
    - Leonardo won't be in the movie; he reportedly didn't like the script, but was absolutely offered the part.
    - Jar Jar Binks will be back with a larger role; Lucas is apparently sensitive to the criticism of the masses, though, and will make some adjustments.
    - Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) will be back, and in -action-.

    Rumors:
    - Earliest reports describe II/III as "Braveheart with lightsabers" -- both will be filmed principally in Australia.
    - Darth Maul, who we did not see die, will play an important role in II/III...

  • Check out Episodeii.com [episodeii.com] for heaps more E2 fan related info.

    Cheers,

    Bullfrog

    PS. Palpatine becomes the Emperor. Just go read the forward of an original Star Wars novel, which also mentions that Leia's mother was called Padme, if I remember correctly.
  • thx-1138 was Lucas's first script and directing role, in which society is force fed drugs by the government to keep them in a state of emotional sedation. Once sedated society is used as drones by the government for their will.

    While not about cloning, specifically, the concept is very similair and Lucas has proven himself. Lucas just needs to get back into darker imagery and themes.

    It's obvious that Lucas's vision of the evil, cloned empire comes from his vision of our future from thx-1138.
  • This isn't all that complicated. Really.


    II opens with a strenous training scene with a 20 something year old Anakin atacking a hard pressed Obi-Wan.
    After thier excercise, Obi-wan sends Anakin off to ponder his transgressions. Yoda stops by to say, 'I told you so, the kid is bad news'. Obi-Wan insists that he can handle it.


    meanwhile, Anakin is cheking in on his little hottie, the Queen. We see his tender side, after seeing the developing dark side.

    Cut to a scene of Sidideous/Palpatine (they are the same, honest). He is looking at a playback of Anakin & Obi-Wan, and chuckles ominously. "Excellent, all is procedeing as I have forseen"

    Chancellor Palpatine is then breifed on the new Spathi Cloneing technology, recently discovered on the far side of the Republic. He makes arangments for it to be secreted away some place 'safe'."For the good of the Republic, this technology can not be allowed to fall into the wrong hands."


    Anakin & Padme are married (they elope, okay). They take a trip to Tantoneie (Whatever) to visit Anakin's Mom. Sidieous, still observing Anakin closely, aranges for his 'temptation' to the dark side to happen here. At some point, we get the honeymoon scene where Anakin knocks the Queen up. (we find out at the end of the movie, and in the III we find out it's twins).

    Meanwhile, Obi-Wan relizes the huge mistake he has made letting Anakin out of his site, and tracks him down. But, alas, it is too late. Palapatine has already brought him over to the dark side. While defending him self from the enraged Anakin, Obi-Wan causes him to get into a serious, crippling accident. Obi-Wan escape with Padame, to an undisclosed hideout.

    We end II with Anakin coming out of a bionics repair shop, with a buttload of 'mods'.

    With his new protoge firmly under control, Palpatine gets a large part of the military to side with him, and declares himself emporer.

    Episode III opens with the military forces of the republic aranged against each other, Jedi and the old republicans on one side, and The emperor, Darth Vader, and a horde of cheap clones on the other. As the clones have no midi-chlorians, the Jedi prove powerless against them. (they can't sense them at all)
    As the emporor consolidates his power, he and vader have a number of kick-ass battles with a stray jedi here and there. Obi-Wan is a general, working with the old guard, but he is crippled by his relaztion that Anakin (now vader) is far stronger than the rest of the Jedi.
    vader goes agains the laws of the Sith, and begins training his own protoge, to help him over throw his old Master.


    As the movie draws to a close, Yoda and Mace disperse the Jedi. "Live to fight another day."

    Yoda retires to dagoba, and kills Vader's Protoge there.


    Padme finds a battle weary obi-wan, and extorts a promisses to do all he can to insure the saftey of her son, Luke. Obi-Wan promises to keep him safe from the emporor.
    Cut to a scene of Mace Windu standing before the new emporer. "YOU! How could we have been so BLIND" Just as Darth Vader steps from the shadows and cuts him down.
    "My master, only a few have escaped us, but they are scattered and weak." says Vadar.

    Cut to a scene of Padme being interogated by Vader and Moff Tarkin. "Where are you children!" Padme replies, "I have no children, they were killed by the Empire!". "Oh Anakin, what have you become!" Says Vader, "That name no longer has any meaning for me. Anakin Skywalker died the day you left him to his own devices... TAKE HER AWAY"

    III ends with a young luke playing in the sands of tantonee...

    Well, thats how I think the story should go!

    BB

  • TPM (Score:1)

    by generic ( 14144 )
    I didnt like the fact that Anakin had no dad. Didnt like the messiah, prophet thing. Would rather his dad have died in some sinister way. Maybe by a jedi? and have Anakins anger stem from that not from him missing his mommy.
  • Hello!?

    I asked a polite question. The least you could have done was to keep silent, understand that not everbody has seen SW 50 times in a row and not come with a (IMHO) worthless posting.

    /* Steinar */
  • The movie hasn't come to Norway yet, and I'm definitely not sure if I'm going to see it when it comes either. (To me, most of it looks like hype. Why? Because every SW I've ever met says `I can't explain what's so great, the SW moves are just the best ever'. Not ONE has given me a good reason, in fact, a SW fan I know says that they aren't good at all, but he still likes them. Yes, I HAVE seen the three `first'.)

    Give me a good reason, and I'll consider it.

    /* Steinar */
  • Generally speaking, digital is vastly more expensive (short-term) than standard film. Yes, digital effects are cheaper than filming stop-motion shots, but those are done completely in a computer. The cameras and associated electronic equipment for filming the real world digitally are absurdly expensive, and not getting any cheaper. Furthermore, they are basically untested- Lucas would be the first to shoot an entire film digitally, and so he would also be the first to discover (and be forced to deal with) any serious shortcomings in the technique.
    ~luge
  • Though Jar-Jar had few redeeming qualities, I can't say that I have a particular need for him to not show up in future movies. One thing that I hope Lucus doesn't do is distract too much from the meat of the possible plots with useless drivel from Jar-Jar's race like happened with the Ewoks.

    With the rumer that everything takes place on their home world though, it would be hard not to have the bumbling idiot brigade interfering with some very interesting other plot lines. Such as what happens to a Jedi when they are struck down, explanations for the clone wars, and of course the whole corruption of Anakin.

    Though I'd gladly give up a serious movie for one simply spin off... Jar-Jar's Trek to the Dark Side.
    --

  • 8. If in the other three episodes, Jedi's could detect the presence of other Jedi's, why couldn't the Jedi's in TPM feel anything around the senator who becomes the emperor?

    the way I figure it, the yet-to-be Emperor Senator Palpatine, Sith Lord, would be smart enough to keep his control over the Force masked rather than face several Jedi Masters together at that funeral at the end of the show...

    (though that kind of confrontation would be fun .... hehe)

  • . . .as proved by the reptilian appearance, vacant look, lack of any redeeming value, and, last, but not least, the fact that he's being incessantly marketed: proof positive that he's related to the Purple Molestoraptor. . . .

  • Re:Removal of Jar-Jar (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I agree...I personally don't understand this continuing need in modern movies to have some kind of idiot character there to 'appeal to the kiddies'. If I were a kid again, I know I'd find Jar Jar just as irritating and insulting.

    A certain amount of 'comic relief' is okay (but not necessary). Jar Jar went WAY too far. Plus the use of 'modern' slang was distracting as hell ("Are you braindead?" "Exqueese me!").
  • >If in the other three episodes, Jedi's could detect the presence of other Jedi's

    Actually, I don't think it's been established that this is the case. The link between the detector and detected has not just been force-sensitive to force-sensitive. Vader could detect his son (ok, so why not his daughter?) and Obi-Wan, and vice-versa. It may be that being strong in the force is necessary but not sufficient to feel another's presence and recognize it. A Jedi might detect both good and bad around them, and in the presence of a crowd, singling out a random individual with no close relationship as being strong in one or the other may be impossible.

    It might also require training to bring out recognizable force "auras", and thus Darth didn't detect Leia as more than just a headstrong individual.
  • Yes, I do agree that there were alot of inconsistencies with the movie, but I think you are wrong about some of the ones you pointed out.

    1. Gungans were put in for comic relief. Jar Jar was the only really simple minded one. The Naboo couldn't have set up the attack because all their soliders were kept captive by the Trade Federation, so the Gungans had to help.

    2. When Anakin was trained, there were many many Jedi. They could choose who to train and who not to train. When Luke was trained, he was the only known Jedi potential, so they did not have much of a choice. Either train him, or let the Empire keep going.

    3. Good point here. It seems in TPM that Yoda was just a member of the council, and did no training of his own. But we do not know for sure. It is possible that he trained Obi-Wan early on, and then turned him over to Qui-Gon for the completion of his training. Or it is possible that after Qui-Gons death, Obi-Wan seeked help from Yoda in regards to training Anakin. Who knows. Hopefull yit will be explained in later episodes.

    4. Many movies have had "the one" in it (The Matrix) I personally find nothign wrong with using that idea in a movie. Many movies do it, even the original Star Wars. I'd let them slide with that one.

    5.Maybe Anakins 6th sense is the way he can work with machines. He has the intuitive knowledge of how things work together, and can sense when they do not. In the later Star Wars books, the sone of Leia (ironically named Anakin) has an aptitude for machines, and can sense when they are put together right or not. What not this Anakin?

    6. Droids have no emotions, no fear. They make the perfect soliders. Stormtroopers were used in the Empire because of the flaws of the droids. Having only ONE master ship was a bit of a stupid idea. Multiple command ships would have made more sense.

    7. I agree. Anyone else would have been shot.

    8. This is a very wide open topic on the rumor mill. Rumors are around that his is so powerful of a Sith Lord that he can mask his presence, or that the Senator Palpatine is actually just a clone on Darth Sidious who is used to get into power. Both of which are possible explainations, both of which will be either true or false. We will see.

    9. I found Liam and Ewan to do a great job, as well as Shimi and Palpatine. Most of the other, pretty dry. Especially the Queen. And Darth Maul. Darth Maul's lines were so few and far between that I almost forgot what he sounded like.

    10. In the other episodes, there were only 2 Jedi Masters, well one actually, only Yoda. Obi-Wan never claimed to be a Jedi Master, only a Knight. Each master has their own training techniques, and in the original, Yoda decided that wisdom was more needed that anythign else. In TPM, well... not much earth shattering wisdom flying around.

    11. I found that many areas of the movie were cut short, or overplayed, or underplayed. I could have stood for a longer final lightsaber duel, or a longer, more intense space battle (with much less of a lucky shot) etc. But thats just me. Overall it was good, but full of holes.
  • Well, I have a 6 year old who saw the movie and Jar Jar was put in the damn movie just for him, it seems. It made the biggest impression with him out of the whole movie. He had seen the original three movies on video and so was hooked into the whole Jedi scene and really digs Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, but he thought Jar Jar was great.

    Me, I'd love to see Jar Jar as a crater.

  • We're not talking quantum physics here...

    Episode 2 MUST follow Episode 1

    For it to be a "story", Episode 2 must build upon and continue what was left off on Episode 1.

    Any story on "Episode 2 Rumors" is going to have spoilers for Episode 1. It's just a matter of reality.

    You also learned by reading it that Qui-Gonn died, why? Because that's PART of the rumors for Ep. 2... what happens to him now?

    If you don't want spoilers for Episode 1, don't read anything about other prequels. Also, erase from your memory anything about 4-6 that you saw, so you will forget that Anakin becomes the Nubian God Darth Vader, has two kids named Luke and Leia (that he doesn't know about) and becomes the servant of the Emperor...

    Because knowing that might spoil Episode 3 for you...
  • - Darth Maul, who we did not see die, will play an important role in II/III...

    excuse me...?
    from what I saw of the two halves of Darth Maul seperating from eachother and falling down the shaft I think it's pretty reasonable to believe that he is quite dead.
  • Phantom Menace was a huge festering pile of crap! Like you I really liked the first three movies and found this one to be a total letdown.

    I saw Phantom Menace once, only once and do not plan on seeing it gain. Contrast this with the fact that I saw Star Wars (Episode IV for the nitwits in the audiance) 30 (thirty) times in the theatres between 1977 and 1978 and un unknown number of times on HBO and video.

    If the reviews of the next movie (from sources whose judgement and taste I can trust) are not INCREDABLY better than Phantom Turd I am not even going to bother to see it.

    Lucas really screwed the pooch on this one. Blech!
  • The books don't count. The ONLY thing that counts as far as Star Wars "gospell" is the movies. If you need to read the book (or books based on the movie) to understand the movie or fill in the holes left by the movie then the director of the movie has FAILED.

    It either stand up on its own or it falls down. Bringing in outside material to make it work is cheating.

  • I take it you didn't see "Trainspotting" before "The Phantom Menace".

    It is obvious to me that Qui-Jon left Obi-Wan back at the ship at Tattoine because he was afraid that Obi-Wan would try to score if he made it to Mos Eisley.
  • You're mystified by Yogic Flying? My ten year-old brother can 'fly' better than any student of the Maharish Yogi (a man himself claiming to fly across the room and levitate, yet never having displayed it).

    The Yogic Flying school is another shot at making a buck off the transendental rubes prone to flights-of-fancy.

    If folding your legs and hopping around a wrestling-mat like a decapitated goat is flying, then a wet-dream makes me John Holmes.

    A better place to fisit would be the James Randi Institute [randi.org]. He offers more than a million dollars to anyone who can prove what they claim.
    ---
    seumas.com

  • It's unfortunate that the UK is among those places that must wait until at least September to see the Star Wars film, but do you honestly expect everyone else on the Internet to wait three months to talk about a movie?

    Everyone in the world has talked about the original Star Wars films and, until two years ago, I hadn't seen any of them. I was never effected by it and didn't really care.

    And if anyone in the UK desperately wants to see Episode I, just go down to your local street-vendor and pay five bucks for a pirated copy. They look horrible, but it's better than waiting three months. (I won't even attempt to discuss how stupid delayed film-releases are.)
    ---
    seumas.com

  • I seem to remember someone saying in one of the books (or maybe the movie) that whatever it is they take a count of is how people tap into the force. And they weren't cells either, but some sort of symbiote. Like motochondria, except with the force.
  • Posted by My_Favorite_Anonymous_Coward:

    mace windu: Whoa...whoa...whoa...stop right there. Eatin' a bitch out, and givin' a bitch a foot massage ain't even the same fuckin' thing.


    Jar Jar Binks : Not the same thing, the same ballpark.


    mace windu: It ain't no ballpark either. Look maybe your method of massage differs from mine, but touchin' his lady's feet, and stickin' your tongue in her holyiest of holies, ain't the same ballpark, ain't the same league, ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Foot massages don't mean shit...


  • This is it. I finally can't take it anymore. I have to defend Binks, DiCaprio, and all the other unjustly bashed beings who are unlucky enough not to appeal to 15-yr-old-pimply-hacker-types and their brethen. You see, Star Wars is a movie, which means that it has to appeal to a general audience.

    I couldn't agree more, also on that same note there is a large amount of gay and bisexual male geeks that find the idea of casting someone attractive like Leo to be a good thing. All you straight boys had princess Leia in her gold bikini, you don't here us bitchin about that do you ?

    Rko
  • Why does everyone think that Anikin is going to hook up with Amidala? Luke & Leia's mom was the Queen of Aldaran not Naboo? How can Lucas explain that?

  • A larger role? (Score:3)

    by DonkPunch ( 30957 ) on Wednesday June 30, 1999 @05:24AM (#1825853) Homepage Journal
    How in the world could Jar Jar get a larger role? He was in just about every scene in Episode I (even doing nothing but SLEEPING in one scene).

    Maybe they should just put a special "Jar Jar Box" in the upper right corner of the screen -- like a TV picture-in-picture. That way, we could watch him through 100% of the film. :P

  • Re:The Emergring of MINI MAUL!!!!!!!! (Score:3)

    by DonkPunch ( 30957 ) on Wednesday June 30, 1999 @05:29AM (#1825854) Homepage Journal
    Funny! I guess every time the Emperor says "Death Star", Mini Maul has to make the little "quote" signs with his fingers. :)
  • A vague rumor I heard: In Episode II, Anakin returns to Tatooine to free his mother, but this is strongly against Obi-Wan's wishes.

    Now for my two-cent analysis of it: I can envision a headstrong/overconfident Anakin fearing for his mother, seeing a vision of her in pain, and rushing back to Tattoine to save her, under the protest of Obi-Wan and Yoda. This would echo part of Return of the Jedi, and Lucas likes that sort of thing. I can even see Obi-Wan's attempts to stop him causing a rift between Obi-Wan and Anakin, and I'd say it's likely that someone would be eager to use Anakin's weakness -- his love for his mother -- to gain the young Jedi's trust.

    Time will tell.

  • "No also about it, Lucas said on his recent ILM special that episode II was essentially a love story, or something to that effect. Hopefully that will give Portman more of a chance to shine. "

    I will not condone this love affair that was chosen in a committee!
  • This is more like the pyschic friends network than anythings tangible. I mean some of the things in there contridicted eachother. Besides, I would rather just see the damned movie than have to listen to some crap that some guy at E! came up with on the top of his head (or her). Anyone else see what I am saying here?

  • The Emergring of MINI MAUL!!!!!!!! (Score:3)

    by StephenJ ( 61393 ) on Wednesday June 30, 1999 @03:57AM (#1825882) Homepage
    "McCallum also indicated that Darth Maul, easily the most popular character in The Phantom Menace, will most likely not return. Internet talk, however, is that Maul will return--as a clone of his bad self."

    BUT 1/8TH HIS SIZE!!!!
  • ...is the latest rumour. Little Ricky will set aside his NYPD Blue badge to whoop some Sith and get it on with the comely queen.

    May the force be with him.
  • Yeah, I thought I heard a long time ago (before RoTJ, even) that the emperor was a clone. That makes a lot of sense.

  • Television Spin-Off: Star Wars - The Early Years (Score:5)

    by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Tuesday June 29, 1999 @11:28PM (#1825901)
    I would prefer to see any of the following play the older Anakin:

    Adam Sandler
    Drew Carey
    Jeff Foxworthy

    "If you can crush a mans neck, simply by looking at him -- you might be a Jedi!"

    ==Television Pilots==

    And perhaps we can begin to see Star Wars explore some more pressing issues with the central characters being so young.

    In the vein of 90210, Anakin could knock Queen Amidala up while they're both underage and deal with a pending abortion, adoption, or birth. Amidala will be forced to relinquish control of Naboo to become a stay-at-home mom. And, in typical male fashion (according to Hollywood), Anakin will dump her for Brittany -- the local slut.

    In the style of Blossom and Party of Five, we could have Anakin explore his new-found bi-sexual desires with Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    Meanwhile, Jar-Jar Binks finds himself seduced by the porn-world, producing Naboo's most impressive blue-market videos.

    Queen Amidala, having become an unemployed, single, teenage mother, will resort to prostitution and fight fruitlessly to fight off her rabid drug-habit. Of course, never able to kick the habit, she is knocked up again when Anakin returns while on the rebound and talks a drunken Amidala into a little nookie (for old-times sake, of course). Nine months later, she gives birth to a crack-baby named Luke. Not wanting to own up to his responsibilities again, Anakin applies to the Navy. Unfortunately, despite their don't-ask-don't-tell policy, his carnal desires are exposed and he is booted out of the service, only to join the Empire.

    In the flavor of Moesha, we learn about the danger of gangs and peer-pressure as Anakin is jumped into The Empire and exposed to violence and hate.

    And in a very touching scene, derived from many episodes of South Central, Anakin picks up his first light-saber. Of course, the weapon's owner had neglected to keep it in a safe place or install a saber-lock.

    And in a heart-warming ending to Episode II, Amidala succumbs to a drug-induced coma and sees dancing wookies, in a rather obviousAlley McBeal-esque rip-off.

    Yes, I speak blasphemy!
    You must admit, though, that many of us would rather see such ideas as those previously mentioned than anything remotely similar to Episode I again.
    ---
    seumas.com

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