MP3 Jukebox That Rox 91
One of the really cool things I saw at Comdex was a very cool MP3 Jukebox that Y2Brand was showing. The system allows for sharing throughout a network, but the other cool feature is that if you assign your box an IP, it shares with all other boxes that have IPs - kinda of a hardware Napster type thing. Expected ship date is 1/15/00 - click below to get some more details.
Press Release from Y2MP#
Y2Brand announces they are accepting pre orders for Y2MP3, The Worlds first MP3 Community JukeBoX Server.
- The Y2MP3 JukeBoX MP3 server is
a turnkey solution for groups that want to share their favorite music. Y2MP3
JukeBoX allows listeners to add their favorite music via a web page interface
served from the Y2MP3 system. The web interface extends the system to allow
songs to be added to a que, display latest additions to the database, or see
the top 10 requested songs. Everything is administrated from a browser over
the LAN.
- Sharing is a key feature of Y2MP3.
For systems that have their own IP address, users will be able to turn on
JukeBoX Sharing. Jukeboxes that have sharing enabled will be able to download
music from all other Y2MP3 systems online, much like Napster or Mp3 Fury.
- Users with administration privileges
can add and remove songs from the database, stop the current songs playback,
and change volume via web page. Y2MP3 stores an amazing 100 CDs worth of music
(average based on mp3s encoded 128 kbps, 44 kHz), all in a system that
weighs only four pounds. An optional 10 GB second hard drive adds an additional
166 hours of playback for a nonstop weeks worth of music.
- Setting up Y2MP3 is a snap, simply
plug audio out from Y2MP3 into a stereo or PA system, and plug a network cable
into your LAN.
- For areas larger than an office,
an optional low power FM transmitter turns Y2MP3 into a radio station! This
"Internet radio station" turns the current model inside out, instead of just
playing commercial radio stations on the Internet, now the Internet and the
Y2MP3 server becomes an automated radio station with studio, record player,
and interactive talk show host applications built in and automated. Users
on the Internet can gather the content from people around the world, and then
post it to the local radio server which then rebroadcasts that server content
via radio to those people that are not connected to the Internet but do have
radios.
- The Y2MP3 JukeBoX system is designed
to be small and portable yet provide superior quality. It is also designed
to be very easy to install and operate. With options the Y2MP3 JukeBoX gets
mobile - take it with you on the road.
Y2MP3 is Powered by Linux, Apache, & MySQL
Hardware: Base MP3 JukeboX (AMD K-6 266 MHz CPU, 32 MB RAM, 4.3 GB Hard Disk, Full Duplex Audio, Internal Speakers) AC Power Supply (battery option for UPS) PCMCIA Network Adapter
Options Include: NiMH Battery - Car adapter Removable 2nd 2.5" IDE hard drive up to 10GB (Provides an extra 166 hours of playback) FM transmitter Keyboard / mouse / video display Carrying case
Expected shipping date is 1-15-00
Speaking of Napster (Score:1)
Oh my... (Score:2)
I know Napster will try suing them, since they claim a patent on this kind of stuff. Personally I think it's another "obvious" application of technology.. but eh, IANABSL (I am not a blood- sucking lawyer)
damnit! (Score:1)
...but why? (Score:1)
i DO however like the FM transmitter feature.
Damn that thing is simple.. (Score:3)
But for thoes people who don't want to find the time to set up a file server, FTP.. etc. I guess it would be a good thing. And probably not somthing most of the Slashdot crowd would jump all over. But it is kind of neat, if I had one I would play with it a bit, have a good time.. And it's somewhat portable.
Re:Speaking of Napster (Score:3)
What is the Napster?(slightly offtopic(sorry!)) (Score:1)
An application much like well made hotline where users can trade mp3s or leech of other Mp3 traders while chatting and also includes it's own mp3 audio player (who cares?).. I have used it a little since this morning It's pretty impressive.. for more information vist Napster.com [napster.com]
Re:damnit! (Score:1)
I have one of those at work. It also works as a cd recorder. It even runs X. I can even do my coding with it. It claims to be a "clone" Celeron 450, whatever that means.
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Pretty neat but... (Score:1)
Looks neet... (Score:2)
The FM transmitter sounded like a really cool idea, tho.
Okay, so it's a low-powered Linux box, I couldn't find a price, and their ordering page and screenshots were all very dead.
Why not just make a little add-on kit, or a distribution, to turn people's old Linux boxes into dedicated mp3 servers? I've got an old P133 I could use, when I get a new computer I could put my old (newer) HD in there, and serve some mp3's...
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4.3 Gb hd (Score:1)
Re:damnit! (Score:1)
http://www.pineusa.com/
You asked for it, there ya go.. It' a nice player, I saw it at Comdex, well, actually they did not HAVE one there. But they did have some literature on it.. This is an old article, but it is still worth checking out. I am not sure when the release date is, but I hope it is before Christmas. If not, I will have to take back whatever I get for Christmas and get one of these things
maybe i should of said portable :) (Score:1)
A plug? (Score:1)
I know that I am a cynic and all that, and I do not want to offend Hemos, but this did seemed to be a bit of a product plug.
Felt a bit wrong, still I could be wrong.
RIAA will not like this. (Score:1)
The copyright... owned by Polygram... WARNING: Unauthorised copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibited
IANAL but I get the strong idea that the FM-feature would be a violation of the copyright. Next to that, the cute JukeBox Sharing feature ofcourse allows unauthorised copying, hiring, lending etc. also a violation.
Remembering the Diamond Rio case, where one of the arguments of the judge, not to prohibit the sale, was that it was not possible to copy from it, I think these guys got a problem. (Yes I know the RIO was hacked) On top of that. What do you think will happen if you happen to turn the Jukebox sharing function on? RIAA will be on your doorstep.
BTW isn't it illegal to be broadcasting without a permit?
Re:...but why? -- Radio Transmitter. Right. (Score:1)
Nice idea. But you will be disappointed. It is ultra-low power. You might get 50 to 100 feet out of it. If you are very lucky. Most of the time you get less. Old wireless microphones used to use FM transmitters. You can pick up a transmitter at RadioShack [radioshack.com] for $12 that'll do the same thing.
I'm with you on the price, however. For $1,200, the item's list price, you could put mucho very a lot of disk space (and them some) in a box you already own.
InitZero
Re:damnit! (Score:1)
How much??? (Score:1)
Considering most of the software on it is free, it's far too expensive for what it does. ($1299 USD, in case the site's been Slashdotted to heck.) Now if it was about 200-300 UKP, then I'd be interested.
Good to see it running Linux though. This could be the first in a hopefully long line of Linux-based (but more important - open protocol) consumer products. There's something incredibly gnarly about being able to access a home music center via HTTP. When you've got a simple web-based interface to an appliance, all those nasty little chores like setting clocks and the like become trivial.
Looks like I'm just going to have to install a home network and hack a spare box to play through a decent audio system...
But yes, very nice anyway.
Re:Oh my... (Score:1)
-sw
lawsuits (Score:1)
The RIAA will probably try to bludgeon these poor folk into submission... the RIAA doesn't have a case; this isn't a recording device at all. But we know the RIAA will just use the threat of a lawsuit to get what they want... extortionist bastards. But since all the software will be GPL'ed, this company could always just sell the hardware and the the software sort of 'subsist' on the net... RIAA can never really win
Thanks to the RIAA's tactics, I refuse to buy CDs from any major label... I'll mp3 them or not listen at all, but the RIAA gets none of my money! Small independent artists and those with their own labels, I'm happy to support.
Linux napster client (Score:1)
Linux and BSD Napster client
that can be found here:
http://www.gis.net/~nite/ [gis.net]
Re:Looks neet... (Score:1)
I'd build my own too if they charge more than 500 bucks, but at least this way other less technically inclined people will have more access to this sort of stuff.
what a rip-off (Score:1)
Why must it run linux?
Why must it cost so much?
I guess I still want one..
This thing may use Sequel Server [dimfuture.net] but it still totally blows a$$ from beyond the grave.
Low-power FM is legal. (Score:3)
- A.P.
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"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad
$1800 msrp (Score:2)
The problem is quality (Score:1)
The problem with all these mp3 players and with building your own is quality. Not the quality of the mp3, but the quality of the sound hardware. There are lots of sites on the web that tell how to build your own mp3 player, but if you're using off the shelf components you have no way of knowing what the sound quality is going to be. I replaced my old Soundblaster 16 so I could listen to mp3s, but the new card wasn't any better than the old one.
If someone would put together a list of tested and proven hardware that sounds good it might only be a couple of hundred dollars. Without a list you could waste a bunch of money on components that just don't give decent quality. You never know if a certain motherboard or hard drive or ethernet card or video card is going to interfere and degrade your sound quality.
Re:damnit! (Score:1)
The smuggler is coming (Score:1)
Oh yeah, shameless site plugs in the comment forum doesn't bother me.
http://www.mp3smuggler.com/ [mp3smuggler.com]. Thanks, Aaron
$1300 ?!? (Score:2)
Re:Speaking of Napster (Score:1)
THANK YOU!
I heard about the closed-source Napster player, and had a bit of fear about security holes that would be opened by using it. I was especially cautious about security after the fiasco with RealNetworks and other closed-source products I do use (I don't use MS products, partially for this reason).
For reference, here's the closest thing to a home page for gnap;
http://gnap.sourceforge.net
Interesting note: This web site shows that my concerns about security were not unfounded; Napster has security problems that have yet to be addressed.
Portable Mp3 at Comdex (Score:1)
I built one of my own! (Score:1)
It plays MPEG files (off the HD or CD), and regular audio CD's. It will serve the MPEG files via Apache to any similar box on my LAN. It will also play MPEG files served by Apache from any other box on my LAN. It can be controlled via a client on any machine on my LAN. I'm working on LIRC support, but I only just started, so nothing to show yet.
The OS is Slackware 4.0 and I'll upgrade that as soon as the Slackware 7.0 disks get to me (any day!)
Now all I need is the money to upgrade the HD so I can have all my 40 Gbytes of MPEG files online at once, plus maybe another 20 Gbytes for future additions. And a filesystem that doesn't fall over.
Re:Speaking of Napster (Score:2)
Re:...but why? (Score:2)
becuase the normal village idiot can't figure out how to get samba to work with 9X/NT. Their $1200 loss.
-d9
Re:Speaking of Napster (Score:1)
Re:Low-power FM is legal. (Score:1)
Might be a good way to get MP3 music out to my stereo in the living room, not to mention any other beep or bell that my computer puts out.
Re:Damn that thing is simple.. (Score:1)
Re:Portable Mp3 at Comdex (Score:1)
Damn, and this would have made a perfect christmas present.
Here's something that's not a complete rip off (Score:1)
Re:Damn that thing is simple.. (Score:1)
I can think of two (Score:3)
As someone else stated, Pine [pineusa.com] appears to be the most notable project as of now, though it has been delayed for quite a long time, and promises a release around February with a price of $200-300. However, I'm not sure whether it will actually ship by then.
Another option is Mambo X [mambox.com], which claims it will be released around December with a price of $179. It sounds great, but again I remain skeptical, as the site seems more intent on hip advertising than on actually going into detail about the specs of the player.
But basically, though mp3 cd players are the best option for portable mp3 listening, and are supposedly not too hard to make (decoder chip + lcd display?), you wont be seeing much around because of RIAA pressure (theyve sorta settled the other mp3 players, like the rio and the lyra, with their threats because now almost all mp3 players are being made SDMI compliant *shudder*.) Also, Sony, a big cd player manufacturer, won't go near it because they have a record company branch and because they are too busy pushing their minidisc crap. But hopefully this trend won't last, and we'll be able to see the big shot companies come out with quality mp3 cd players that don't just look like vaporware in the making.
Re:4.3 Gb hd (Score:1)
Re:should not compare it to desktops (Score:1)
Re:they are dangerous (Score:1)
Re:$1300 ?!? (Score:1)
Re:What is the Napster?(slightly offtopic(sorry!)) (Score:1)
I do not like cuteMX because it encourage mean spirit amount users. It has a enemy list you can put people into. You can cancle somebody's upload too. (why? just point your music library to a empty folder.) The failure rate is more than 50%. I get about 80% the songs I try to download with napster.
CY
Obvious next step then... (Score:1)
Hmm, reminds me of shoutcast and icecast.
Re:Damn that thing is simple... (Score:1)
I don't get it. It's not easy, it's nearly trivial. It's a $400 computer with apache, perl, a ripper, a player, an ftpd, and a LOT of GLUE. OK, that's some nice glue, but I don't think it's $2000 worth - at least not for me!
Re:damnit! (Score:1)
Re:Server/thoughts (Score:1)
I don't see any reason why it can't be done.
The server would just have to do searches of file lists people have and setup communication, thats about all.
The chat, is not a necessity in my books, if you want to chat about music goto EFnet.
So really thats it for features.
I'm still working on an open source java client, but Ryan is a little further along last I checked and taking the smarter road in using GNOME. I am still worried about legal issues......
Re:The problem is quality (Score:1)
It's an audio reciever (amplifier + radio) that has USB input. It's software controllable and also has the ability to mix sources. Having the DAC in an external component is probably the best solution for sound quality.
Do a google.com search for RP-U100 for some reviews.
Chris Wise
Re:The problem is quality (Score:1)
They did a really decent job on the analog section as far as I can tell, plus s/pdif output if your amp has that capability.
HOWEVER, don't buy this card yet! Linux drivers are supposed to be coming any day now. If the drivers do show up, this is one choice card!
Re:What Gives you the right! (Score:1)
Leeching the idea is not the same as leeching the work.
To leech the work you would have to steal th source code.
And yes ideas take work, but I am talking elbow greese.
I'm taking it you have never used an ICQ client that wasn't made by Mirablis/AOL?
I'm also taking it that you don't use UNIX/MAC.
I'm also taking it that you've never heard of the Microsoft/AOL ICQ war. No difference in this case.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
ok thats enough flamebait........
Re:Speaking of Napster (Score:1)
Napster really looks thrown together in a rush. Bugs everywhere in the client. And of course their servers aren't scaling to meet the enormous demand. Why does this same story have to get repeated again and again and again?
My best free tip for the people working day and night on improving Napster: your software guarantees propagation of incomplete MP3s. Fix that by keeping partial downloads off to the side in a private directory until they finish.
Thanks.
Re:What Gives you the right! (Score:2)
What gives Napster the right to refuse someone access for no better reason than choice of OS?
That is illegal, its the same as microsoft trying to access AOL IM servers.
Actually, it's not illegal. Neither is Microsoft trying to access AIM's servers. The only difference is that Microsoft's intentions are obviously sinister; they seek to Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish AIM. Our friend here has no such intent; he just wants to use their service on his OS of choice.
Its no different than me sitting in front of your house until I figure out your garage door frequency and I open it and start using your garage.
Actually, it's very different. Why? Well, let's take my garage. I prefer to keep it private. I don't want anyone accessing it except me.
Napster is by its very nature a public service. Anyone is, in theory, able to access it. Refusing to allow someone to access because of the OS he chooses to run is not unlike refusing to allow someone into a restaurant due to religious differences.
When don't you start your own service?
I assume you mean why, not when. And frankly, why should he? There's a perfectly good one already out there. Why reinvent the wheel?
When do you have to leech on someone elses work?
Again, I'm going to assume you mean why. The fact is, he isn't leeching. All of the work he's doing is his own. In fact, he's doing more work than the original Napster people did (all they had to do was make up a protocol; he has to figure it out with no documentation to help him). He's not using one single scrap of their code. And thus, none of their work.
Re: OnShare (Score:1)
Interesting competitor.. based around communities sharing files. Same idea as napster/cutemx but you share files with groups of people (+ all of the interface is on the web).
No linux client yet for sharing :( But you can download files.. 'cause it's all on the web.
Re:maybe i should of said portable :) (Score:1)
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I think the market could have a real need for this (Score:1)
Re:I can think of two (Score:1)
1. Sony makes it, and not some company we've never heard about.
2. It's nonprosecutable to copy music onto MDs (IANAL)
3. It doesn't require a k-rad CD-burner to use
4. It can record live audio and can be used as a mic preamp
5. One player + 3 discs is smaller than a MP3 CD player could possibly be
6. It sounds better than 128k encoded MP3s
If you're willing to make all the above sacrifices, more power to you. I'll stick with my piece of crap minidisc recorder.
Re:Damn that thing is simple.. (Score:1)
Re:they are dangerous (Score:1)
Could you please explain to me just exactly how having a CD player and some legitimately purchased discs in an office constitutes a copyright violation? I'd really like to know, since it sounds perfectly legal to me.
But like I said, I'm not a lawyer....