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Post-it Notes vs. Copy-Inhibited CDs 843

rjoseph writes "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac. Ouch." We mentioned this interesting experiment in consumer relations last month as well, but now it's getting noticed a lot more. However, emkman writes: "What was first thought to be an April Fool's joke, now appears to be true. Some Audio CD protection schemes such as Cactus DATA Shield 100/200, KeyAudio, and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note. www.chip.de has their report in German, here is a translation."
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Post-it Notes vs. Copy-Inhibited CDs

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  • by NETHED ( 258016 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:50PM (#3513772) Homepage
    GO buy one now!! I want a new computer at their expense!
  • Oh no! (Score:2, Funny)

    by Villain ( 19081 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:51PM (#3513779)
    Damnit, I was really looking forward to that new Celine CD too. Guess I'll have to spend my money on Aphex Twin instead.
  • by squidinkcalligraphy ( 558677 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:52PM (#3513784)
    Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac
  • Punishment (Score:2, Funny)

    by line-bundle ( 235965 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:52PM (#3513788) Homepage Journal
    They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.
  • by Cynical_Dude ( 548704 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:57PM (#3513814)
    ... what the correct way to treat a Celine Dion CD is. Summary of article: a.) Buy black marker b.) paint underside of CD completely black Next up: The correct way to treat your boy group cds. a.) Buy some acetone b.) ...
  • by kisrael ( 134664 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:57PM (#3513815) Homepage
    They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.

    No, this is your karmically-correct punishment for buying the Celine Dion CD...listening is its own punishment.
  • by Graspee_Leemoor ( 302316 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:57PM (#3513819) Homepage Journal
    I tried to test this Celine Dion CD to see if it would get stuck in my iMac, but then I discovered to my horror that I couldn't get the Starcraft CD out of the drive. Must ... Quit ... Game ... and press ... Eject ... Muscles ... not ... responding...

    graspee

    P.S. This may have legal implications if my Starcraft CD starts downloading mp3s without my permission. (ha ha. sorry).

  • by Brigadoon ( 520066 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:57PM (#3513821)
    Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac

    I hate to stereotype, but at the risk of doing so, I'd wager that Mac users are more likely to listen to Celine Dion than otherwise.

    Pooling from all of the computer users I know - if that's any decent demographic - Linux users would most certainly not fall under the Celine Dion fans. Windows users, it seems, tend to be more alternative, pop, rap, ad nauseum. And finally, Mac users are more oldies, soft rock, etc. This of course is NOT any real indication of what people listen to; not science, just my own personal observations generalized.

    I've never seen a person sing "My Heart Will Go On" while recompiling their kernel.

    -X
  • by schussat ( 33312 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @08:58PM (#3513831) Journal
    Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.

    -schussat

  • Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.


    Actually, 3M is embracing this new product direction.

    They have renamed their Post-It product line to Toast-It, making a clear reference to burning, or "toasting," a CD-R.

    They have also renamed their popular Sharpie line of permanent markers to "Share-pie," indicating that the markers will enable purchasers to share music.

    :)
  • by logical1010 ( 561996 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:13PM (#3513913)
    From the German translation:

    To hardly seize: With a simple felt marker you outwit Sony Music & CO and notice your right to a backup copy.

    Take that Sony Music & CO, I hardly seize you with my simple felt marker and notice my right to a backup copy! You have been outwitted!
  • Doesn't matter, it's already been ripped and posted on
    alt.binaries.mp3.soundtracks. 8*)

    SealBeater
  • New Names (Score:5, Funny)

    by Angram ( 517383 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:17PM (#3513942)
    We obviously can't call this Celine Dion product a "CD"...We're going to need a new term to denote CD-imposters...Lets see...

    CC - Crash Circle
    "CD" - Quote-Compact Disk-Unquote
    ICD - Imposter Compact Disk
    FD - Fool's Disk
    ID - Incompatible Disk
    SF - Sony Frisbee
    CC - Celine Coaster
    MW3 - Mommy, Why Won't it Work?
    RCD - Record Companies Downfall
    18POS - $18 Piece Of Sh*t
    SLS - Sony's Last Stand
    PD - Poo Disk

    Any suggestions?
  • "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac."

    Somewhere a 4th Grade English teacher is crying, and doesn't know why.
  • by npongratz ( 319266 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:21PM (#3513966)
    Take that Sony Music & CO... You have been outwitted!

    Make your time!

  • by fatalist23 ( 534463 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:25PM (#3513985)
    how horrible, dying with Celine Dion in your mouth! *shudder*
  • by Bouncings ( 55215 ) <{moc.redniknek} {ta} {nek}> on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:26PM (#3513989) Homepage
    in germany you have got a right to make a backup copy

    Damn you and your superior legal system snobbery.
  • by prisoner-of-enigma ( 535770 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:26PM (#3513993) Homepage
    HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA - May 13, 2002 - RIAA TEAMS UP WITH MPAA TO URGE BAN OF "SHARPIE" STYLE MARKERS.

    Local busineses were shocked today when all 2.5 million office supply stores were simultaneously served with a cease and desist order from the RIAA and MPAA banning the sale of any type of felt tip marker. Lobbyists for the media industry successfully bribed and/or threatened a number of local politician, who in turn passed legislation banning the manufacture, sale, or possession of any device on grounds that it violates the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

    "This is a great day for freedom in this country", stated I. P. Freely, chairman of the House Committee On Media Graft and Campaign Finance. "No longer will reckless hoodlums and terrorist be able to hold our great media industries down! Already these 'media terrorists' have been implicated in causing a downturn in music sales, a deepening of the U.S. recession, balding, impotence, and dandruff. These terrorists are a threat to the very foundation of this nation. Have I said terrorist enough yet? Terrorist terrorist terrorist!"

    A small group of bewildered secretaries and office workers were rounded up by jackbooted thugs and herded into "terrorist containment vehicles" (which resemble black vans) as they went into office supply stores in downtown L.A. to buy Sharpies. "Obviously these media terrorists were bent on destroying Sony Music with these devices", said one S.W.A.T. team captain as he twirled a Sharpie in front of cameras. "Don't worry folks", he said, "you're safe now."

    When interviewed on the street, many people expressed delight at the actions of the MPAA and RIAA.

    "I'm so glad that these hideous terr'rist folks have been rounded up", says Eva Beaver. "Who knows what they might've blown up with their terror weapons. Next it could be planes slamming into buildings!"

    Opposition to this new law is expected to be light, say prominent Washington lawmakers. Naysayers will be rounded up and shot on sight, further adding to the desire to keep people from pirating music and movies with felt tip pens.

    Spokesmen for Sanford, the company that manufactures the Fully Automatic Terrorist Media Stealing Assault Weapon (formerly known as a Sharpie Marker) could not be reached following a disastrous fire and explosion at every single one of their manufacturing plants.
  • by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:38PM (#3514058) Homepage
    First they came for "More Fast and Furious," and I did not speak out because that's not my kind of music.

    Then they came for Celine Dion, and I did not speak out because I'm lukewarm about Celine Dion.

    Then they came for Episode 2, and I did not speak out because I'm not really a Star Wars fan.

    But THEN they copy-protected that CD of "Richard Stallman sings Tom Lehrer..."
  • by flacco ( 324089 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:40PM (#3514069)
    You never know - a babelfish translation deficiency could result in instructions like:

    "Then schtick ze blow torchen up your assen-holen, and ge-crank that mutterfikken all ze way uppen-leder-hosen."

  • by flacco ( 324089 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @09:43PM (#3514085)
    In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows.

    Or perhaps you need beat the living shit out of the fuck-heads who cavalierly take it upon themselves to fuck with your hardware. Then kill their extended families, burn down their houses with their corpses inside, and piss on the ashes.

    Or that paper clip thing might work too, I don't know.

  • by Colz Grigor ( 126123 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @10:05PM (#3514214) Homepage
    I am reminded of my teenage days of punching notches into the side of 5 1/4" disks with a hole punch...

    Magic markers to avert copy protection schemes... I love low-tech solutions to high-tech problems.

    ::Colz Grigor
  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @10:05PM (#3514220) Homepage Journal

    In A.D. 2002, War was beginning.
    Mac Hacker: What happen?
    User: Somebody set us up the Celine Dion Not-CD
    Programmer: We get signal
    Mac Hacker: What!
    Programmer: Main Screen turn on
    Mac Hacker: It's You!
    R.O.S.E.N.: How are you gentlemen?
    R.O.S.E.N.: All your CD-ROM drive are belong to us.
    R.O.S.E.N.: You are on the way to destruction
    Mac Hacker: What you say?!?!
    R.O.S.E.N.: You have no chance to hack make your time
    R.O.S.E.N.: HA HA HA HA....
    Mac Hacker: Take off every Not-CD
    Mac Hacker: You know what you doing
    Mac Hacker: Remove Not-CD
    Mac Hacker: For great justice

  • by Dr. Awktagon ( 233360 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @10:12PM (#3514249) Homepage
    ha ha ha I made a funny
  • by borgasm ( 547139 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @10:22PM (#3514303) Journal
    I recall something about invalidating the firmware on a floppy drive, in a slightly different manner. I think the trick was to paint the inside of a floppy with nail polish and the powder from inside caps. The drive heats up to read the disk, and in a flash of fire, the floppy drive is no longer functional. Now that's copy protection.
  • In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows.

    Apple knows [apple.com]. You have three non-pull-apart options.

    [options deleted]


    Well, let's see...

    The crud they put on the disk locks up the Apple when you try to play it. Thus...

    This is "technology" that "effectively prevents" unauthorized copying.

    Breaking your computer is part of the correct operation of this technology, so

    Fixing your computer is "circumvention" of "technology" that "effectively prevents" unauthorized copying, a felony under the DMCA, and

    Apple's post telling you how to fix your computer is "trafficing" in circumvention technology, also a felony.

    Quick! Call the FBI! (And ask Adobe for the phone number of the appropriate person to call. B-) )

  • by AFreeman ( 85241 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @10:39PM (#3514399)
    I do have a stereo at home, but not at work...

    ...and all the music I buy is only every played at work (or occasionally in my car) - my girlfriend doesn't like my prediliction for Swedish death metal...(fancy that!), but I won't code to anything else :-)

  • Dear CaptainSuperBoy,

    I am sorry for the problem(s) that I have written into my messages. Down here in Afghanistan, we can't get Sharpies or Sanford markers, so I have no way of knowing the correct brand that I should have put in my messages.

    Please excuse this!

    I now must go and watch my DiVXes on my C-64 and play Final Fantasy X! Also, I have a question about Linux on quad-processor machines. I hope you can help me!

    Thank you!
    Junis from Afghanistan
  • by BtAFMB ( 574756 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:05PM (#3514532) Homepage
    Oh, I was making a general comment about Apple. Too cheap to include a $20 floppy drive, too stupid to include a manual eject for CDs...

    Don't even get me started on how they don't include a punch-card reader, and it doesn't have a single vacuum tube!

  • by rjamestaylor ( 117847 ) <rjamestaylor@gmail.com> on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:14PM (#3514569) Journal
    • They find the line distant up to two centimeters from the outside edge. Draw now with the pin a tangential line, which covers the dividing line accurately, into which outside range project, but does not affect the last audio TRACK. A sticking tire helps as ruler.

      Try the result out. If it did not fold, the line covers either the dividing line not completely or lies over the last audio trace - here geht's around tenths of a millimeter. Then you wipe away to the pro copying bars with a damp speed and correct after.

    I followed these directions and my Celine Dion disk is now stuck in a tire heading east on I-10 at about 75 mph. I feel better already.
  • by gotan ( 60103 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:29PM (#3514628) Homepage
    I mean, they can be used as circumvention devices to copy protected digital content, so the DMCA should apply, no?
  • by zsmooth ( 12005 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:31PM (#3514644)
    One big difference between this situation and Ford/Firestone:

    No one's getting killed.

    That's all.
  • by apg ( 66778 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:39PM (#3514671) Homepage

    If some iMac owner accidently puts one of these CD's in the drive and send the thing to kingdom come, didn't Sony just damage their computer with malicious intent?

    Not that I agree in any way shape or form, but Sony's defense will likely be something along the lines of:

    "A sanding pad from a rotary sander will damage your CD-ROM drive, but they don't even put labels on those. At least we told you not to put our disk in your computer. It's not our fault if you didn't disassemble the jewel case to read the fine print we printed under the CD tray in reverse pig latin."
  • by xactoguy ( 555443 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:46PM (#3514695)
    Why go to all the trouble of going out, buying a CD (Celine Dion *shudder*), and putting it in my iMac? I might as well walk over to my desk, get some glue, and pour it in there :D. It'll do just the same thing, be cheaper for me, PLUS I'm sure that I will get some nice sound effects/smells being produced :D. Seriously, though, why does Sony have to be doing this? How can we send them some sort of message that they are screwing themselves over by doing this?
  • by ragnarok ( 6947 ) on Monday May 13, 2002 @11:53PM (#3514721)
    Don't laugh, these exist

    Awesome, where can I get some?

  • by Millennium ( 2451 ) on Tuesday May 14, 2002 @12:33AM (#3514860)
    Every time you listen to a copy-protected CD...
    Celine Dion kills an iMac.
    Please, think of the iMacs.
  • by Wire Head ( 131671 ) on Tuesday May 14, 2002 @01:32AM (#3515072) Homepage Journal
    Congradulations! Thanks to the DMCA, we can now shut down all the felt tip marker makers, and 3M for making Post-it-Notes because they are devices capable of circumventing copy protection!
  • Software should never crash, no matter what input you put into it. That's taught in every first year programming class I've ever seen, and it goes double for software that controls peripherals.

    Also, please note-- Automobiles should never crash, no matter what happens on the road. That's taught in every first year driver's education course I've ever seen, and it goes double if you are driving an expensive car.
  • by civilizedINTENSITY ( 45686 ) on Tuesday May 14, 2002 @03:11AM (#3515538)
    Ah but if its a firmware crash through design, it doesn't matter how good your driver software is...remember achiles and the tortoise in G.E.B? ;-)
  • $18 (Score:2, Funny)

    by seigel ( 94101 ) on Tuesday May 14, 2002 @08:16AM (#3516309)
    Wow, with all this copy protection in the CD now it is almost worth the $18 now! I guess they are just trying to make CDs more expensive to make so they can justify the price!

    Good for them.....I am glad they are finally getting the price more inline with the actual costs!

    Cheers
  • by Zone5 ( 179243 ) on Tuesday May 14, 2002 @11:05AM (#3517297)
    I'd pay EXTRA for a DVD that set the neighbor's cat on fire - the damn thing keeps me up at night while it meows pitifully looking for love.
  • by fhknack ( 104003 ) on Wednesday May 22, 2002 @01:12PM (#3566336) Homepage
    ...and it should (*not*)^2 corrupt any firmware...

    (*not*)^2 == (*not*)(*not*)

    So you're saying it should corrupt firmware, etc.?

    Alternatively:
    (*not*)^2 == (*not*)(*not*) == (*^4)(n^2)(o^2)(t^2), but that makes even less sense.

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