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For Americans, Imported Textbooks Can Be Cheaper 678

mblase writes "The NYTimes has an article (free reg required, someone'll post the Google link any minute now) about how the Internet has trumped capitalism yet again -- the very same college textbooks used in the United States sell for half price, or less, in England. One sophomore imported 30 biology books this fall and sold them outside his classroom for less than the campus-bookstore price, netting a $1,200 profit." Wait 'til they shuffle the problem sets.
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For Americans, Imported Textbooks Can Be Cheaper

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  • Not capitalism (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pavon ( 30274 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:32PM (#7276876)
    ...about how the Internet has trumped capitalism yet again...

    No should be: how the free market internet has enabled capitalism to trump corporate price fixing.
  • by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <sv.dude@gmail.com> on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:32PM (#7276879) Homepage Journal
    It often takes a couple of months for the duty bill to show up. Ask me how I know. :(
  • by Flounder ( 42112 ) * on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:33PM (#7276885)
    This is capitalism at it's pure form. Finding a product in demand, selling it at a price that undercuts the competition, and making a healthy profit.

    At least until he's trumped by the powers of communism (lawsuits by the school or the textbook becoming illegal to import under the DMCA)

  • by EvilStein ( 414640 ) <spamNO@SPAMpbp.net> on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:33PM (#7276886)
    Average college tuition is up 40%
    Textbook prices have gone up as well.

    My paycheck, however, has most certainly *not* gone up 40%. Sad to say that average CEO compensation has gone up 17% over the past year.

    No wonder people are importing books.. they can't afford to buy the stuff here!
  • Yeah (Score:4, Insightful)

    by blackmonday ( 607916 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:36PM (#7276905) Homepage
    First medicine for the sick and elderly, now college textbooks. Why are Americans pushing profit margins up for these companies by paying higher prices than other prosperous countries?

  • by DeepDarkSky ( 111382 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:39PM (#7276930)
    The Internet, if anything, empowers capitalism even more precisely because of this kind of thing. The Internet enlarges the market, making it possible to compete at a level like never before by eliminating geographic boundaries (to an extent) and reduce localization of markets.

    Why do these kinds of exclamations make it into the story anyway? I thought there were editors for these things....oh wait, this is slashdot, nevermind.

  • by Texas Rose on Lava L ( 712928 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:41PM (#7276963) Homepage Journal
    He'll get the bill from Customs around the same time he gets the bill from the IRS. He did make a profit from the sale, after all.
  • by cgranade ( 702534 ) <cgranade@gma i l . c om> on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:45PM (#7276985) Homepage Journal
    Why do these kinds of exclamations make it into the story anyway? I thought there were editors for these things....oh wait, this is slashdot, nevermind.
    Look at the tagline for the article: "from the this-trumps-capitalism-how-exactly dept," and you'll see that the editors did in fact take issue with that exclamation to some degree, though not strongly enough to edit the article itself.
  • by Triskele ( 711795 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:47PM (#7277002)
    I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with capitalism. I know that for some of you capitalism == free market but they are quite separable concepts. Capitalism is to do with capital, the integral of money (i.e., the derivative of capital is money originally in the form of a dividend). What you are seeing here is the triumph of an international free market. It might help if some of you lot had actually read Marx rather than ranting on about "oh this would never have happened with communism". The founder of communism had quite a lot to say about this. "Das Capital" is still the root of much modern economic theory.
  • by neko the frog ( 94213 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @08:59PM (#7277094)
    This is a rather long essay I wrote a while back on the subject, so bear with me on this.

    Deep within downtown Seoul, on the bottom floor of one of the city's innumerable high-rises, is the Kyobo Bookstore, the largest of its kind in Asia. Along the West wall of this 2.3 million title shopping center is a selection of English books, and a selection of college textbooks larger than that many American campus stores. A visiting American student majoring in for example mathematics would be astounded upon browsing the selection, not because of the wide variety of books available, but because the exact same book which he or she spent over $120 on for the previous semester is available here for $30.

    Many of the business practices of the textbook industry are well known, if only subconsciously, to all college students. The nearly oligarchical cartel in the textbook industry drives the price of schoolbooks to unreasonable levels, between three to five times fair market value for equivalent non-scholastic texts in North American school bookstores (even though they can be purchased cheaply overseas), by means of a captive student population who does not have a choice in which textbooks they much purchase and price-control mechanisms such as frequent yet marginal revisions to short-circuit any used book market and "value-added" features such as subscription-based Internet site access, partly so as to satiate an expectation of high profits by textbook authors in an over-saturated industry.

    The fact that textbooks are extremely expensive is difficult to debate. A quick browse in Amazon.com's textbook section shows that the average price for the top five books in each of their categories, is currently $89.47. Only one book in their top Mathematics section is sold for less than $99--and that book is only available used (Amazon). Since it is not uncommon for professors to require more than one book for a class, the financial burden on students can easy top five hundred dollars per semester. Furthermore, the cost of textbooks severely outpaces inflation: the United States Department of Labor indicates that the wholesale price of textbooks has increased 65 percent in the past decade, nearly six times the average increase in producer prices on the whole (Hubbard). In contrast, it is quite rare to find a hardcover book online or at a physical bookstore, even technical in nature, that retails for over $45.

    The traditional method for students to offset these costs is the used book market, usually also facilitated by the campus bookstore. However, the industry has several methods of short-circuting this market. Most obvious is the frequent revisioning of textbooks, with as little as six months between versions, make previous versions economically worthless because even if the changes are as mundane as rearranged exercises (not uncommon in math and physics texts), publishers will stop printing the older edition, forcing professors to switch to ordering the new editions or risk alienating students who cannot find used copies of previous editions. or adding in "value-added" items such as CD-ROMs, magazines, or Internet Web Site access which are rarely used by instructors but serve to prevent used book sales.

    In an effort to get instructors, departments and school boards to adopt a text, publishers go to great lengths to entice faculty. Perhaps one of the most ridiculous instances of textbook publishers trying to win instructor favor was an attempt to woo Richard Feynman, one of the most prominent physicists of the 20th century and a professor at the California Institute of Technology. Mr. Feynman was offered some 300 pounds of textbooks to review and recommend, and the promise that "We'll get someone to help you read them." One book he was asked to review was blank ("We just need a recommendation"), and when he delayed for several days (allowing a bidding war which cost the publisher two million dollars), Feynman was offered gifts ranging from fruit baskets to an all-expense-paid tou
  • Standard Textbooks (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:04PM (#7277129) Homepage
    Why should textbooks for standard subjects, say calculus and physics, cost more than a Dover paperback? These are subjects that change very little from year to year. Why not have a standard set of textbooks for these subjects and keep printing them for decades, without gratuitous changes to create new editions.

    I inherited a friend's old college textbooks from the 1960s and I was surprised at how small they were. They were the size of normal hardcover books, not the gargantuan monstrosities that I see in the local college bookstore.

  • by godzilla808 ( 586045 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:09PM (#7277160) Journal
    Having worked at a college bookstore, I can tell you a few "trade secrets." Any bookstore in their right mind prefers to sell used books, it's just easier in many ways. Now, two big things conspire to keep bookstores from buying back your texts. Number one, it is often very difficult to get professors to order books on time. If a bookstore doesn't have a request from the prof, they can't buy the book back from you. Second, publishers are changing editions on average once every 2 years (average!!). Publishers do not make money on used texts, therefore they update books constantly to keep the supply of used books to a minimum.

    I always had a skeptical view of the university bookstore until I worked there!

  • by ljavelin ( 41345 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:11PM (#7277177)
    "The practice of selling U.S. products abroad at prices keyed to the local market is longstanding. It's not unusual, it doesn't violate public policy and it's certainly not illegal. But publishers are still coming to terms with the dramatic change in the law."

    Just you wait - I wager that new laws and publisher licensing rules will be created that manages to severely curb such importation. Heck, it works with prescription drugs: "oh, the drugs are unsafe in Canada!". Bullshit!

    Congress is all for screwing all of us. Freakin' fascism is back.
  • by Saint Stephen ( 19450 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:13PM (#7277189) Homepage Journal
    When I went to UNC in 1989, in-state tuition was something like $300/semester, plus maybe $100 worth of books. (Math books were expensive even then, maybe $250 for a semester of books by senior year).

    You guys today are getting totally raped by the Banks & Credit lenders -- they're the ones conspiring to launch you into life $100,000 in debt and spend the rest of your life that way. You bitch about Haliburton and the oil companies -- but it's the Equifax/Visa/&c.s of the world that are your true enemies.
  • by 1010011010 ( 53039 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:25PM (#7277270) Homepage
    Das Kapital? Free market? In the same breath?

    The Wealth of Nations [adamsmith.org] might be a more appropriate work to point to as "the root of much modern economic theory," as opposed to that polemic, "Das Kapital [reference.com]."

    Unless you're an unrepentant Marxist, of course.

  • by metroid composite ( 710698 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:26PM (#7277275) Homepage Journal
    It's not so much that Brits throw in an extra vowel, as Americans started taking out vowels over the past hundred years or so. Having to adopt to a new spelling is kinda annoying, though in some cases the new spelling makes more sense (aeroplane vs airplane). Despite the advantages, however, I'd really prefer to keep the original spelling; partially out of historical interest.
  • by Watts Martin ( 3616 ) <layotl@gmail3.1415926.com minus pi> on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:46PM (#7277424) Homepage

    I think "trumping capitalism" was a silly description, but I also think your analysis is a little too glib.

    Neither of these (the original price, or the re-importation) are examples of a pure free market system. Copyright ensures that the textbook is only available from one producer (the publisher); there's no competition in production at all, therefore, but only among distributors. And, as someone else pointed out, the problem being solved by the text-book reimporting is essentially a problem of price-fixing. The producer is able to set baseline prices differently in different countries in a manner completely independent of demand. (If a course requires book X, you don't get book Y on the same subject that's 15% less, you get book X.) It hardly requires anything that smacks of "communism" for the reimportation to be stopped; it just requires the producers to raise prices in other countries to make this no longer cost-effective.

    This kind of end-run is a makeshift way to address the problem, but the real problem is addressed only by radical deregulation (removing the monopoly power of copyright) or greater regulation (imposed price controls on the market). Both of those would get different sets of people highly outraged, of course, and the former one is becoming a classic neolibertarian dilemma: "intellectual property" is arguably a form of property right, the virtual foundation of capitalism, yet also arguably a form of government-granted monopoly.

  • by AHumbleOpinion ( 546848 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:52PM (#7277462) Homepage
    Its a catch-22 situation. Save money by buying used books when available, this drives up the cost of new books you have to buy.

    When I was in school I was able to witness the "birth" of a textbook. I learned that students are in part responsible for the high prices. Textbook publishers try to recoup their costs (advances, manufacturing, marketing, etc) in the first year since there is a severe dropoff in sales for later years even when the text is still in use. This is due to the sale of used books, the publisher/professor gets nothing from these sales.

    I wonder if the British bookstores buy books back and resell them in later semesters?
  • by Elfan ( 677935 ) <{elfan} {at} {db-forge.com}> on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @09:53PM (#7277466)
    How does the study of capitalism *not* relate to the study of free markets? As you might have guessed from the title Das Kapital is about capital, not communism, socialism, or "Marxism."

    You are correct that Smith is a more important thinker to modern Econonomics, however, Marx is probably number two.
  • by kurisuto ( 165784 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @10:00PM (#7277507) Homepage
    I sure don't get any kickbacks for "forcing my classes to use 'upgraded' textbooks". I've never heard of such a practice. These days, I'm lucky if I can even get the publishers to follow the traditional practice of sending me a free desk copy for evaluation purposes; more and more often, publishers want me to pay for the text before I consider creating a captive market of 40 student customers for them.

    I share your anger about the problem of publishers charging unreasonable prices for textbooks. If I could find a low-priced textbook which is a reasonably academically sound choice, I'd choose it. Unfortunately, for every course I've ever taught, all of my choices have been overpriced. So what I'm forced to do is to make the best tradeoff I can between picking the most academically suitable text vs. saving my students as much money as I can.

    The only other option I see is to create my own inexpensive in-house textbook, but this is a huge amount of effort; it's much easier for me to simply use a prepackaged text. Producing my own text would be easier is if someone in my field would organize a single, well-ordered, referreed online repository of open-source chapters, exercises, etc. If such a thing existed, and if the college infrastructure existed so that I could just hand off my camera-ready pages and have the bound text effortlessly appear on the bookstore shelf without my having to rassle with copying, binding, and pricing details, then I'd consider putting the extra time into doing this.

    However, unrefereed course packs don't count as publications, and if you don't have enough publications, you don't get tenure--simple as that. If I spend time creating a cheap alternative for my students instead of writing research articles for peer-reviewed journals, then I'm significantly reducing my propects for my own survival. Those are the pressures I'm responding to.

    It would be nice if students organized and lobbied the administration to change their tenure evaluation criteria on this point. If it helped us to get tenure by creating inexpensive in-house texts, more of us would be doing it. Unfortunately, I don't foresee students doing this; the point is probably too abstruse from the perspective of students who never come into contact with the tenure process.
  • by Zeinfeld ( 263942 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @10:23PM (#7277644) Homepage
    How does the study of capitalism *not* relate to the study of free markets?

    The term was like many political labels initially applied as a term of abuse. In this case it was Marx who identified control of capital as the means by which the upper class kept the lower orders suppressed.

    I strongly suspect that if it had not been for the scare that Marx gave Victorian Britain with his predictions of revolution that the revolution he predicted would have occurred. Social conditions were pretty bad in the 1860s and if it had not been for the social reformers it is doubtful that the UK would have avoided revolution.

    The 'capitalism' that Marx railled against has relatively little in common with modern economic systems. The closest comparison would be to the 'crony capitalism' of Asia or Halliburton's activities in Iraq.

    The role of capital in capitalism has changed significantly because it is no longer a scarce resource in the way it once was.

    Incidentally if the free market was the root of capitalism then the last farm bill would make the Us a communist nation. The US is one of the most protectionist powers on earth, particularly under this administration.

  • by brett42 ( 79648 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @10:40PM (#7277758)
    I just checked customs.gov, I found this. (pdf) [usitc.gov] It seems to indicate that importing books is free. Has anyone else gotten a customs bill for importing textbooks? I'd really like to know since I'm now seriously thinking about using amazon.co.uk next semester.
  • by Nexus Seven ( 112882 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @11:03PM (#7277891)
    aeroplane is a two part word constructed from the Latin (a bit like television).
    aero meaning air, and plane meaning flat. Airplane is a fairly recent invention. I suppose it simplifies the word - perhaps we can start renaming all Latin/Greek-derived words.

    Astronaut -> StarSailor
    Television -> DistantSight
    Telephone -> DistantSound
  • by Phronesis ( 175966 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @11:13PM (#7277958)
    Nations might be a more appropriate work to point to as "the root of much modern economic theory,"

    After all, nobody would listen to Marx if he wrote this [classicreader.com]:

    In civilized society, it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species ; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce.... It is in this manner that the demand for men, like that for any other commodity, necessarily regulates the production of men, quickens it when it goes on too slowly, and stops it when it advances too fast.

    The Wealth of Nations, Book I, Ch. VIII

  • by rnd() ( 118781 ) on Tuesday October 21, 2003 @11:25PM (#7278040) Homepage
    Generally, when people refer to capitalism (at least in the US) they are referring to some kind of free market capitalism. Capitalism is quite separable from a free market, as in nations like Korea. Free market capitalism is the economic system that maximizes individual freedom. Any other system, including non-free market capitalism, does not maximize individual freedom. The individual who imported the books did so because he is free to do so, hence the concept of freedom behind the idea of free markets. He is a capitalist, because he invested his capital in the books, and increased the amount of capital he owns (after making a profit).
  • by mperrin ( 41687 ) on Wednesday October 22, 2003 @12:54AM (#7278476) Homepage
    I can say for sure there's no import duties on books from England, at least not for personal-sized purchases. (I make no promises if you're trying to buy a shipping crate full of 2,000 texts!)

    How do I know? I purchased an astrophysics text from England a while ago, and never paid any import duties. I didn't think much about it at the time - it's a book from a British publisher, so I just bought it directly from their web site. No sweat. Meanwhile, my girlfriend also recently bought the complete Harry Potter box set of the British versions from Amazon.co.uk. No import duties there, either.

  • by rnd() ( 118781 ) on Sunday October 26, 2003 @12:17PM (#7313781) Homepage
    Since I think copyrights are legitimate ways of protecting IP, I don't think that textbooks from China should be allowed to be sold here, unless of course all of the authorization has been obtained to print/reproduce the materials.

    The siutation with UK books doesn't bother me, though, b/c there is no governmental regulation in the picture and it's up to someone to ship the books, attempt to sell them, etc.

    For Pharmaceuticals, one must consider the following:

    The US is the bigggest market for new/costly drugs. Pharm companies formulate their strategic plans based on a certain amount of profitability. In order for a new drug to make sense (financially) the company has to consider the fact that only 5% of the drugs they research end up becoming useful pharmaceuticals, and that the FDA's regulatory process can take several years and costs a lot. Since a US patent can last for only 20 years, there are very specific circumstances that lead to the constant creation of new drugs, and gray market drug importation on a large scale would alter those circumstances such that fewer dollars would be invested in new and innovative drugs.

    From a purely economic standpoint, this should be allowed to happen, so that American consumers can accurately assess the role of the FDA in new pharm. development. The problem is, people only see what's there, and the promotional materials released by drug companies would spin any new drugs as the latest innovations, the underlying truth would be that due to the diminished profit potential less money was invested in research and less progress was made at creating pharmaceuticals to fight disease.

    I suppose my thought on the issue is that the Canadian government is effectively cheating by imposing a price ceiling, and all of us in the US are being charged for Canadians' pharmaceuticals. If it were up to Canada, there would be far less incentive for drug companies to create the new drugs that we all benefit from. Since Canada is a government, it could nationalize the formulas for key pharmaceuticals, and no inventors would ever be compensated for their work.

    If market forces are allowed to function, then gray market drugs would be illegal, and one by one all nations would impose price ceilings, and the gray market would adapt and drugs would be imported from wherever the ceiling was the lowest.

    The problem is that this is not a situation of true efficiencies, as in importing widgets from the place that can produce them most efficiently, this is a situation where governments are able to coerce pharm companies through price controls, and by preventing price signals to invite new inventors to the pharm. industry, they handicap its ability to meet consumer demand through new innovation.

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