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Slashback: XPiracy, Panel, Gentoo 335

Slashback is back, with a boatload of updates, clarifications, and corrections to make previous Slashdot stories make more sense. This week, there are bits on BitKeeper, Microsoft's update policy when it comes to illegally copied versions of Windows, a change in schedule for an upcoming games panel, and more. Read on for the details.

The real requirements for Longhorn, at least at this juncture. Cryoknight writes "It seems that Longhorn will run on almost anything that's a P4 or better, judging by this article from C|Net News. You only need a 64mb graphics card to run the slickest version..."

(That's in contrast with earlier reports that the average Longhorn system would be hefty indeed; of course, listed minimums and recommendations are often worlds apart.)

How many bits could Mandrake chuck if Mandrake could chuck bits? Shipud writes "Speaking of AMD beating Intel, Mandrake have just released their v.10 for AMD64. Claiming to be on the average 20% faster, and compatible with 32-bit applications." As usual, it's never a good time to buy a computer.

The War Of The Word, Part II Random Guru 42 writes "Chris Pratley, whose earlier blog entry was the source of much discussion [referring to this Slashdot post of April 27], has just recently replied to everyone's feedback both here and as comments on that earlier entry."

Gentoo Community Reaches Out to Daniel Robbins nporter writes "Slashdot reported the news that Daniel Robbins has stepped down as chief architect of Gentoo Linux. It was revealed that due to his commitment to Gentoo he racked up a hefty personal debt of $20,000. The Gentoo Community is showing its appreciation to its founder in droves by placing donations to the Gentoo Store, proceeds of which will go toward paying down Robbins' debt. I count over a thousand dollars (and growing rapidly) has already been donated, just based upon posts to the forums. It's great to see Linux users coming together like this to show support for someone who has contributed so much to the Linux community."

Bitkeeper redux, redux. gosand writes "Part two of the two-part interview with Bitkeeper author Larry McVoy is up at Newsforge. (Part 1 was posted here yesterday). They essentially talk about why and how BK fits into the kernel development model. There are only two questions, one answered by Larry, and one answered by Linus. Maybe that is because BK makes them 2.5x as efficient, and they can answer everything in just one answer each. :-)"

MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies PingXao writes "Unlike earlier reports, this eWeek story says MS will not be allowing pirated versions of Windows XP to install SP2. They plan to release the update within a couple of months as everybody knows, but what's interesting is this quote from a MS spokesperson that supposedly explains their reasons for this approach: "... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates." Not that I blame them for not providing assistance to people who violate their copyrights, but I wonder if they actually paid someone to come up with that insightful explanation. Something like "We don't provide updates to pirates" would have done the trick. Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

Games panel at Smithsonian - update tripmaster writes "For those slashdotters that tried to get a ticket but were foiled by the smaller venue, the panel on games with Shigeru Miyamoto, Richard Garfield and Doug Church being held Sunday, May 16th at the Smithsonian in Washington DC has been moved to a bigger space. Miyamoto should be showing the same highlights of his latest game as premiered at E3. Questions from the audience will be collected and posed to the speakers -- a rare chance to ask query some of games' most visionary and influential creators."

Off again, on again. Doug Muth writes "According to this piece on Yahoo, the restraining order which was issued against SpamCop on May 10th has been dissolved by the judge who further remarked that, 'the TRO [entered May 10] was not a determination of the merits of the case.'"

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Slashback: XPiracy, Panel, Gentoo

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  • by Seth Finklestein ( 582901 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:09PM (#9134279) Journal
    Can I run Warcraft III or Unreal Tournament 2004 on it?

    Thanks anyway. Here's a cookie.

    Sincerely,
    Seth Finklestein
    Proud Windows XP SP2 User
  • Re:Slashdot quickies (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:18PM (#9134349)
    No, but wait for Slashsdot infomercials. That will be a special section paid for by advertisers which will write the articles on their new products.
  • by IO ERROR ( 128968 ) <error@ioe[ ]r.us ['rro' in gap]> on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:21PM (#9134372) Homepage Journal
    This essentially means that any Windows system which Microsoft thinks is "pirated" isn't going to get security updates. I can't wait for the rash of legitimate users who get caught up in this, trying to update their systems and Windows Update tells them their product key is not valid. (It happened to me on a legitimate licensed copy on trying to install SP1, and I still have no resolution at all on it.)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:25PM (#9134412)
    A laptop I bought a few months ago came with XP installed (no choice). Since then it has been made ``secure'' by living in a separate, never-broght-on-the-network partition, and linux now floats over the face of the hardware, and it is *good*.

    I don't plan on even installing SP2, although my copy is actually legitimate. So, Billy Gates and his happy minions can kiss my ASP.
  • by dioxide ( 149116 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:38PM (#9134510)
    Have you taken a look at the prices for ram lately? It's something like 4 times the cost of a month ago.
  • Bitkeeper (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AeiwiMaster ( 20560 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:41PM (#9134533)
    Could someone which is using bitkeeper
    update this comparison [gnuarch.org] with the bitkeeper data.

  • Re:Read it Again... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cubic6 ( 650758 ) <tom@losthalHORSEo.org minus herbivore> on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @08:48PM (#9134590) Homepage
    "The installation hurdles that existed in SP1 will be back again for SP2 - no more, no less."

    Yes, and as with SP1, the day after SP2 comes out, there'll be 10 warez releases of WinXP with SP2 slipstreamed in for your downloading pleasure. They will also come complete with working CD keys and some handy tools to bypass activation if necessary. I agree, this isn't really news at all.
  • by thePMG ( 760995 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @09:20PM (#9134817)
    Every one seems to think that SP2 will really, truely make Windows more secure. With Microsofts track record, I'm not so sure. I'm willing to bet that it's going to open all sorts of new problems, and Windows it going to continue to be the mess of an OS that it always has been.
  • Re:Word (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @09:38PM (#9134964)
    For a single end-user, the difference is minimal. However, the biggest improvement I have seen is with change tracking. For large corporate users - particularly those working with people in multiple sites and different time zones - this has been a huge bonus. And yes, the basic idea is not much different than merging changes in a version control system, but when layout and formatting are important this can be very useful. And it still remains much easier to use than a CVS-type version control for the (vast majority) of non-technical corporate users. So does Grandma (do I get bonus points for mentioning Aunt Tilly?) see a big difference? No. But do a significant percentage of users, especially those with deep pockets? Yes.
  • by gclef ( 96311 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @09:38PM (#9134966)
    Actually, I'm waiting for the next virus/worm to change your activation key to a pirated one. That'll be interesting to watch.
  • by cyril3 ( 522783 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @10:03PM (#9135131)
    since you can see the code for yourself and fix the problems

    Speaking as an average user can I just say that I don't wanna play with my kernel. I just wanna type my letters and go home. I don't wanna know what happens behind my desktop.

    It's a tool, like my car. I wouldn't have a clue how the engine management system in my car works. Hell, I don't even know if it has one apart from Joe down the garage. So I pay Joe or Microsoft to know that stuff. And it gets updated every now and then and with a little effort and a decent AV package I've never been hit by any worm or destructive virus.

    I use a fairly vanilla hardwear setup and when the ease of installation, and use of the OS and applications (and the range of applications) reaches the same level as Windows let me know. I and millions like me just don't have the training, time, or inclination to fiddle with the box.

    I appreciate that many do and it is those people who will eventually move Linux up to a position where it can replace Windows. But I object to being ridiculed as a mindless automaton because I don't share your passion for fixing operating systems. Because from a users perspective, it isn't as broken as you claim.

    Unless of course the 'you' referred to is the 0.0001% of the computer using population that does eliminate their own bugs or see code and fix it.

  • by cmacb ( 547347 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2004 @10:38PM (#9135368) Homepage Journal
    I called them a couple years ago about a registration issue. I had installed the product more than three times (legitimately, because it had been removed from two of the older computers at this point). I got a third party company who said the computer that they needed to verify my authenticity was down. I was given some sort of fallback universal key (I don't know if it was time limited etc.)

    I asked what would happen if at some point in the future I needed to install the program again and was told I would have to call back each time. I asked if Microsoft had a commitment to always have someone there to answer the phone. She didn't know.

    That's when I decided to stop using MS products. It was the best event in my 10 years as a customer of the company. I immediately uninstalled the program (FrontPage of all things) and within 15 minutes had located an Open Source program that I actually liked better. The Web browser, word processor and operating system soon followed. It took a few months to adjust, but it was well worth it.

    I hope they keep up the good work. Make the product buggy, insecure, hard to use and too expensive. Maybe the US won't be so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to adopting open standards if MS cooperates by alienating their own customer base.
  • by berzerke ( 319205 ) on Thursday May 13, 2004 @12:07AM (#9135887) Homepage

    ...The only question up for discussion is whether not providing security updates for pirates will hurt people besides the pirates themselves.

    I, for one, hope this does hurt the pirates. Why? Because anything that stops people from pirating software means they either have to pay for it or switch to something else (say GNU/Linux). Some will pay, but many will switch. I can't count how many times I've offered OpenOffice to people only to have them say they can get M$ Office for free (i.e. pirate it). Stop the pirating and I bet more would be interested.

  • Re:Word (Score:3, Interesting)

    by civilizedINTENSITY ( 45686 ) on Thursday May 13, 2004 @12:19AM (#9135941)
    Agreed that Clippy is an annoyance. Also KISS is good, where the problem domain is S.

    What I really prefer about OpenOffice is the user interface. It seems cleaner and yet I can still get to everything. Navigator is a good way to move around a document, and shows you the structure's big picture. Floating toolbars can be docked on the sides where they expanded or contact with a click, like mozilla's sidebar or adobe acrobat, just plain rock. Saves serious screen realestate, and yet I can have what I need for a given context open immediately.

    One thing Word does have is a $50 student priced Mathematica-Word interface. Mathematica has the best graphical interface I've used for equation entry. Would be nice if we had those palletes, too.
  • by ashkar ( 319969 ) on Thursday May 13, 2004 @02:07AM (#9136436)
    You mean like this [betanews.com]?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 13, 2004 @06:53AM (#9137458)
    From listening to some of the developers talk, that $20,000 figure is not telling the whole truth. A lot of his debt was accumulated from poor life decisions (buying cars he couldn't afford, as an example) and questionable "bills" that he rang up on Gentoo's behalf. He also spent a lot of the Gentoo money that came in on silly things like airfare for friends to meet him at conferences.

    There has never been a public accounting of all the money that came in and all the money that went out. If there was, I would be a lot more willing to donate to help erase any real debt that still exists.
  • by horza ( 87255 ) on Thursday May 13, 2004 @07:24AM (#9137639) Homepage
    I've used Gentoo as my primary OS for years and never donated. I've just chipped in myself, despite not usually using my card over the net (the store is personally run by Daniel Robbins and so I trust it). After my donation I just feel like I've had the best value for money ever. All the pleasure and excitement Gentoo has given me, and the sheer amount of time saved and enhanced productivity through the power of emerge.

    Daniel not only put in so much work into coding, but also seemed to live in the IRC chatrooms helping newbies with their problems in such a patient way. Hopefully he will still pop in when he gets time! He's such a nice guy. He certainly doesn't deserve to end up so much worse off after giving us Gentoo. If we can make it so he comes off with at least no ill-effects then that will be great.

    Phillip.
  • by MasTRE ( 588396 ) on Thursday May 13, 2004 @09:18AM (#9138381)
    Either nobody who uses Gentoo is a multimillionaire, or they are grubby ones at that. To someone who is loaded, $20k is like paying for lunch. Surely if they appreciated Daniel's efforts they could make a charitable donation. How about giving the guy $50k so he can keep working on it, if he so chooses? Or take a long vacation for all his hard work?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 13, 2004 @10:49AM (#9139420)
    well .. there's more to things than might meet the eye here ... it looks innocent enough but he is stepping down to avoid some nasty questions ... like "where has all the gentoo money gone since day one"

    He bought a house, a brand new car, and globetrotted on gentoo's dime since day one, then he complains that he racked up $20,000 in personal debt.

    Little known facts: He was 'sponsored' by an unknown EU cmpany for his work on Gentoo ... they paid him a steady salary, afaik, for at least a full year. In fact more salary than a lot of people with his expertise make on a daily basis.

    Gentoo (the company) made quite a lot of money in contracts over hte last couple of years .. and where did all that money go? It supported Daniel's life, lifestyle, and family. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but the spin being played up on this story is not the reality of the situation.

    Do some reading on the gentoo-nfp list and you'll see why he bailed on Gentoo (which he did) when the question came up about where the money goes ...

    a not-so-famous quote from the former architect of gentoo ... "I AM Gentoo".

    I wish daniel the best of luck, he is a super nice guy and did wonders for the distribution, but don't feel that badly for his monetary situation. He went from writing articles for IBM's dev website, making very little money at it ... to running a distro with a heavy hand, buying a house, a car and raising a family on Gentoo's dime, so don't cry him a river quite yet. In the process of running that distro he also ran a lot of very good developers "out of town" so to speak, due to his mangement style....

    food for thought.

    Trolling? maybe a little yes, but is this the reality? You bet yourself at 100% it is

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