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Steve Jobs In Praise of Dropping Out 1014

atlacatl writes "Wired reports on Steve Jobs giving a graduation speech: 'Jobs, 50, said he attended Reed College in Portland, Oregon but dropped out after only eight months because it was too expensive for his working-class family. He said his real education started when he "dropped in" on whatever classes interested him -- including calligraphy.' The irony: that most students were graduating. I wouldn't invite him for a high school graduation. Imagine all the 'hard' work teachers, parents and guidance counselors put into brainwashing every kid that he/she must go to University." (Jobs was speaking to the graduates at Stanford University.)
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Steve Jobs In Praise of Dropping Out

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  • Re:Bah (Score:4, Informative)

    by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Monday June 13, 2005 @10:12PM (#12809076) Homepage Journal
    He also dropped acid in his younger days. That a good thing too?? - sure it is a good thing. He is different from you and I am different from him and you are different from me. Is that a bad thing? He needed to know what he needed to know. Maybe if he was a 'normal' person he would have never tried acid in the first place, but would he create Apple? I think not.

  • by figleaf ( 672550 ) on Monday June 13, 2005 @10:19PM (#12809122) Homepage
    He cheated his friend and partner Steve Wozniak out of money before the early days of Apple.
    And when Wozniak set up his own company in 1986, Jobs threatened Wozniak's suppliers against doing business with Wozniak.

    Just because Jobs did something in his past doesn't mean that is a good path to follow.
  • by TPIRman ( 142895 ) on Monday June 13, 2005 @10:32PM (#12809240)
    To recap, more accurately: Steve said that he dropped out of college because it was too expensive, and it was the best thing that happened to him. He said that his "real education" didn't start until he took up classes again with a greater appreciation for their value in his life. He took calligraphy classes when peers were telling him that calligraphy had no relevance to career, but he gained a greater appreciation for elegance in ordinary things (sound familiar?). Etc.

    This is not an anti-education message. In fact, it is a message strongly in favor of a liberal-arts education. In Steve's original college career, he was going through the motions -- going to college because that was the thing to do. When he started learning again, he was doing it out of a personal desire to learn, and with more genuine motivations. And he was taking classes to improve himself and his outlook, not just to get nuts-and-bolts information that would advance his career. Steve's saying that you have to invest yourself in learning and appreciate its value where you might not expect it.

    Those of you who are oversimplifying this into a "street smarts" vs. "book smarts" thing have watched too much of The Apprentice. This was a speech about the personal value of learning and the importance of an open mind and broad perspective.
  • by selfdiscipline ( 317559 ) on Monday June 13, 2005 @10:55PM (#12809405) Homepage
    one man's insightful is another's flamebait.
    Personally, think that many people are just resentful of the fact that intelligent people do not need to go to school to get ahead.
  • by artemis67 ( 93453 ) on Monday June 13, 2005 @11:19PM (#12809579)
    It's true, Jobs cheated Woz out of some money. [wikipedia.org] Back in the day, before Apple, Woz wrote the first Breakout game. Jobs asked Woz if he could sell it and keep half the money; he took it to Nolan Bushnell and sold it to him for $5000. Jobs then went back to Woz, gave him $350, and said, "There's your half!"

    Many years later, Woz (then rich and famous) was flying on a plane when he picked up a magazine and read the story for the first time; he reportedly wept when he read it.
  • by toby ( 759 ) * on Monday June 13, 2005 @11:32PM (#12809643) Homepage Journal
    According to one audience member quoted on Macintouch [macintouch.com], Jobs "wondered aloud if computers today would have proportional fonts had he not sat in on that calligraphy course".

    If the late Jef Raskin had anything to do with it, they would; he recalls lobbying for versatile bitmapped displays and not hard-wired fixed width character generators, against Jobs and Wozniak.

    Sadly Jef is no longer with us to defend the account, but he left a detailed history, The Mac and Me [chac.org]:

    In my 1967 thesis, "The Quick Draw Graphics System," I took issue with the display architecture then in vogue. ... There were only a few CRT terminals at the Penn State computer center, and these could display only letters and symbols, usually in green or white on a black background. Hamstrung by specialized electronics -- in particular a circuit called a "character generator" -- that permitted no other use, they could not display graphics. One display at the center could draw thin, spidery lines on its large screen. With it you could do drawings that now seem crude, annotated by child-like stick-figure lettering.

    In this milieu my thesis was radical in suggesting that computer displays should be graphics- rather than character-based. I argued that, by considering characters as just a particular kind of graphics, we could produce whatever fonts we wished, and mix text and drawings with the same freedom as on the drawn or printed page.

    [Later, at Apple...]

    The other Steve, Steve Jobs, was a delight to talk to about less technical aspects of computers. His enthusiasm and business orientation were exciting. They were just starting on the design of the Apple II, and I tried to convince them that they should employ bit-mapped graphics and not have a character generator, but Woz thought that software couldn't handle the character generation task fast enough and Steve Jobs didn't understand why I thought it so important.

    I had a different vision of what a microcomputer should be like, and PARC's programmers and my own work had convinced me that software could do the job. I tried to convince Woz by working out the code to put bit-mapped characters on the screen and calculating timings by counting cycles, but the Steves were not open to the idea.

    The concepts I espoused were far from the mainstream of computer design and for all their mold-breaking thinking, Steve and Steve were very strongly conditioned by the minicomputers they had seen.

    Later in the essay, Raskin notes that Jobs was eventually persuaded to green-light the Apple II's "high res" mode. Only Steve himself knows if an enthusiasm for calligraphy influenced the decision... but even had he not, proportional fonts were already being designed into the expensive research workstations of the day, where the hardware budget was orders of magnitude greater than an Apple II's.
  • In other words (Score:5, Informative)

    by appleLaserWriter ( 91994 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @12:37AM (#12809959)
    Steve was trying to say that success comes from taking risks.
  • by hmiatn ( 891894 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @12:50AM (#12810019) Homepage
    I was there at the stanford stadium. I found his speech serious and very insightful. People just picks the ironic part of his speech. His main advice is to follow the passion. I talked about his speech here [blogspot.com].
  • RTFA (Score:2, Informative)

    by tonydiesel ( 658999 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @12:57AM (#12810057)
    or better yet, get a copy of the speech...

    As someone who was actually there to hear it - he didn't say everyone should drop out of college. Far from it - instead, he said it was exactly what HE needed at the time. He didn't do it because he was being an irresponsible dick, he did it because his tuition costs were overwhelming his parents' resources and he didn't want to do that to them.

    He wasn't attempting to invalidate the degrees of the people he was speaking to - instead he was using a very personal story to explain the idea that people should go through life with confidence rather than be afraid of what can happen...

    I've seen four or five commencement speeches over the last few years and in all honesty, this one was the best by far. It was heartfelt, had important things to say and alternated between being funny and quite touching. Jobs obviously put a lot of thought into the speech and really took it seriously.
  • by linguae ( 763922 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @01:09AM (#12810109)

    The Woz went back to Berkeley and got his degree in 1982, while he took a break at Apple. Read more about Wozniak here [wikipedia.org].

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @01:50AM (#12810296)
    He basically says, maybe it happened and maybe it didn't

    Er... no. From the very page that you linked to [woz.org], he says that it happened (and he didn't like it):

    I was hurt in later years when I heard that Steve was paid more than he'd told me, and I don't think that I hurt easily.
  • by trudyscousin ( 258684 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @02:27AM (#12810404)
    Thank you. I'm honored to be with you today for your commencement from one of the finest universities in the world. Truth be told, I never graduated from college and this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.

    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big deal. Just three stories. The first story is about connecting the dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first six months but then stayed around as a drop-in for another eighteen months or so before I really quit. So why did I drop out? It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his wife, except that when I popped out, they decided at the last minute that they really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a call in the middle of the night asking, "We've got an unexpected baby boy. Do you want him?" They said, "Of course." My biological mother found out later that my mother had never graduated from college and that my father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my parents promised that I would go to college.

    This was the start in my life. And seventeen years later, I did go to college, but I naïvely chose a college that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition. After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life, and no idea of how college was going to help me figure it out, and here I was, spending all the money my parents had saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out, I could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me and begin dropping in on the ones that looked far more interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the floor in friends' rooms. I returned Coke bottles for the five-cent deposits to buy food with, and I would walk the seven miles across town every Sunday night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example.

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every label on every drawer was beautifully hand-calligraphed. Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned about serif and sans-serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life. But ten years later when we were designing the first Macintosh computer, it all came back to me, and we designed it all into the Mac. It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts, and since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on that calligraphy class and personals computers might not have the wonderful typography that they do.

    Of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can't connect th
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @07:03AM (#12811172)
    Just get around the normal job application process.

    1. start your own company
    2. develop an absolutely amazing product
    3. get bought out by Apple

    Shouldn't be a problem for you, I guess.

    Obviously you might find you are too great and successful and prefer step 3b: buy Apple
  • by cecille ( 583022 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @09:32AM (#12811986)
    funny you should mention this - just a little while ago (a year or so maybe? can't remember) MIT started up a program called open courseware [mit.edu]. It's NOT an open degree...they won't give you one, there aren't tests profs etc, but it DOES open up their course materials to anyone who wants them. And while access to open course material certainly isn't going to solve the problem of lack of accessibility for real degrees, it's definately an interesting program, and a step in the right direction. Plus, it's a fantastic resourse, and some of the courses they have opened area REALLY interesting...I've learned a lot off this site.

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