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RIAA Adds 23 Colleges to Hit List, Avoids Harvard 282

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA has added 23 new colleges and universities to its hit list, but deliberately omitted Harvard, apparently afraid of the reaction it's likely to get there, having been told by 2 Harvard law professors to take a hike. 'Under the new scheme, the RIAA sends out what it calls 'pre-litigation' settlement letters. Actually, they're self-incrimination documents and they're designed to extort preset amounts of around $3,000 from students with the empty promise that by paying up, they'll remove the threat of being hauled into court on charges of copyright infringement. In reality, all the students are doing is providing the RIAA with personal and private information which can conceivably be used against them ...'"
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RIAA Adds 23 Colleges to Hit List, Avoids Harvard

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  • Illegal? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dotslashdot ( 694478 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @01:38AM (#19952543)
    This is nothing short of extortion. I never download music w/o paying for it, but now this just makes me want to bleed them to death by a thousand cuts--or megabytes.
  • by Aellus ( 949929 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @01:57AM (#19952647)
    I work as an undergrad for the IT office of one of the universities near the top of the hitlist, and I've personally read the letters that they send. To actually read the letter in person really gives you the feeling like "Holy Hell, they're actually doing this." The letters are such bullshit, and it is obviously just a scam to save them the legal fees of taking people to court. The sad thing is that its working for them, and for backwards reasons; In the first batch our school received (which was about 30 letters), only one student didn't respond to the letter. They got sued, and i assume had to pay up in the end. The RIAA got 30 people's worth of payout from the cost of one court battle. Even if they lost that case, they still wound up with 29 payouts for the cost of 1. I'm sure if no one responded that some people wouldn't be sued, but who wants to take that risk? While i have a problem with the strong arm court tactics they've been taking in the past few years, at least the "sue everyone" tactic was still properly using the legal system to resolve their disputes. However, these letters are extortion, and its that simple.
  • by wanax ( 46819 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @02:13AM (#19952725)
    I think the thing that shocks me most is that many universities law faculties aren't going off on the current cases. I mean, these are supposed to be the 'liberal' part of the law. And ONLY Harvard is PUBLICLY strong enough to defend these charges? Where is that oft touted liberal element in the US university system?

    But getting back to the core of the matter, I have to wonder why colleges are bending over about a matter so core to their own liability:

    Colleges 'pirate' thousands of documents every year in a way that is NOT allowed by current US copyright law.. and they want to believe it's students.. not professors downloading papers that their library hasn't subscribed to? Taking a hard line on music copyright will only kill the colleges that take it up! They won't only drive away students... but also professors who suddenly can't do their research because of miserable libraries (BU COUGH).
  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @02:18AM (#19952761)
    If RIAA was to sue the student based on the information in the letter, they would open themselves to counterclaims of deceptive business practices and even racketeering. Given that a student would be able to declare bankruptcy for any significant judgement while RIAA members have billions of dollars in the bank, risks would far outweigh the benefits of such a lawsuit. I say the letters are exactly what they look like.
  • IP Evidence? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FieroEtnl ( 773481 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @02:24AM (#19952803)

    Elsewhere on the website, Mike O'Donnell, a University of Chicago law professor, gives a good discussion [p2pnet.net] of why the RIAA's policy of identifying people solely by their "unique" IP address is a load of crap. I'm honestly surprised more people haven't used this kind of a defense when the RIAA targets them. Maybe it's because it's not well-known knowledge yet?

    In any case, I'm glad that I'm living off-campus next year as my university is on that list and is now notorious for its one strike policy. WTF is up with the idiots in Kansas anyways?

  • by Stanislav_J ( 947290 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @04:50AM (#19953407)

    We've seen ample evidence that an IP address does not necessarily correlate to an individual. In an actual court case, the RIAA would have to also show that copyrighted material exists on the computer in question (through an actual forensic search of the hard drive), that the files were placed in a shared folder that can be accessed by others, that those same files have been actually distributed to others through a P2P network, that no one else has access to the computer in question, that the person in question was actually the one who placed the material there and that the computer has not been compromised through hacking of any kind, etc., etc., etc. WAY easier just to extort a quick $3K a pop through fear.

    I wonder why certain schools are targeted, and certain individuals at that school. Are certain universities passed over because they have a law school? A savvy law or pre-law student may well see through the bullshit and give the RIAA a run for its money in court. (And may well have relatives who are lawyers and/or sympathetic professors willing to knowledgably defend them.) Someone in another message said that 30 letters had been sent to the college he works at. Now, unless that is one tiny little college, I find it hard to believe that only 30 students file-share. I wonder if they target specific schools and dorms within those schools because of the type of students likely to be caught up in the dragnet? (I.e., naive freshman, yes; senior pre-law student, no.)

    It's not for nothing that so many of you refer to the RIAA as the MAFIAA. The tactics are the same. Tell me, who does the Mafia go after when they run a protection or extortion racket? The big corporation with a bevy of lawyers and a lot of power and influence? Or the small businessman, the store owner who has few resources, barely keeps his head above water, and may well be an immigrant of questionable status or otherwise afraid of losing what little he has? Bingo -- they go after the weak, ignorant, and vulnerable.

    The RIAA has been VERY lucky so far in that they have only in a few cases gone after the "wrong" sort of target that will fight back. No matter how careful they are, hopefully sooner or later they will hit a few more people who can really make trouble for them.

  • by Genda ( 560240 ) <marietNO@SPAMgot.net> on Monday July 23, 2007 @05:33AM (#19953571) Journal

    Hey Everybody... let's all get together and help out our favorite greedy, draconian, ass monkeys!

    Is there anybody out there who'd like to instigate an attack against Yale, Harvard, and the rest of the Ivy League in the name of the RIAA? I mean if they're so hot to trot, smacking colleges up side the head, they should go straight after the big guys! Put them in their place. Put the fear of God into the rest of the Universities in this country! Yeah, that's the ticket!

    Someone needs to make them put up, or shut up.

    Either their case has merits, and therefore they should be going after every college... or it is groundless, and they're guilty of frivolous lawsuits in the name of extorting those least able to protect themselves from legal harassment. So we need to all step up and let them know, that they can't just go around picking on smaller schools and weaking institutions.

    The RIAA wants to poke a horets nest with a stick, they should get all the stinging their money can buy!

  • Re:Not a prison? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23, 2007 @05:57AM (#19953663)
    Worse yet, our young people are getting used to the idea of no privacy. With all the changes limiting freedom in our society now, imagine what these young people will agree too when they get power.

    My locker partner in high school had some problems with drugs. He learned that the police were doing a search one day and went home "sick". He left his coat in the locker. The drug dog went off on the locker. As they knew my locker partner had gone home, I was pulled out of class. I was questioned by the principal, two law enforcement officers and one of the school security guards for twenty minutes while the drug dog was at my croch. The reason he went off was my friend's coat. It smelled like pot and had trace amounts in one of the pockets. It was not enough to get him in any trouble, but it sure taught me a lesson about searches. They wasted my time, pulled me out of class (one I actually liked which was rare), and I had to deal with accusations. I was labeled a drug user after that. Teachers would publicly accuse me of using drugs. My grades fell because they thought I couldn't possible do my work on drugs. I must be cheating. In reality, I was mislabeled a drug user and had a shitty home life.

    I don't have a lot of respect for any rights violations. This happened to me in the 90s (97 i think). What do they do to high school students now?

  • Just wondering... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by DeeVeeAnt ( 1002953 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @06:31AM (#19953837)
    How many of the kids of the RIAA/Recording industry/Ruling class elite attend Havard?
  • Re:Illegal? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23, 2007 @06:50AM (#19953911)
    actually yes they can mate. lets revisit your bolshy attitude the day you get a letter for downloading copyrighted material. Of course, you could GROW UP and stop taking stuff that isn't yours, but what are the chances of that?
  • by Tikiman49 ( 1009467 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @08:57AM (#19954693)
    I go to Georgia Tech, which to my surprise was on this list of horribly evil and bad schools. What exactly are the criteria the RIAA used to determine these schools? Tech has a 3-strike policy and has people who actually know what they're doing monitoring the network. First strike = warning, second strike = suspension from network and an interview, third strike = banned from the GT network. Why does the RIAA feel the need to step in on this as well?

    Oh, right... $3000 is a pretty big motivator.

    The RIAA are not the police, but they certainly seem to be acting like it. There has got to be some law clearly being broken by their strong-arm enforcement and intimidation tactics. The crime of copyright infringement is minor compared to the slimey law tactics I keep reading about. What is it going to take to stop it?
  • Hey, imagine that... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anarchitektur ( 1089141 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @10:22AM (#19955737)
    Of all the Universities listed, none of them are known for their law schools. Who do they specifically exclude? The #2 ranked law school in the US (Source: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/ usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.p hp [rankingsandreviews.com])

    This only makes the fact that this campaign is based on preying on ignorance all the more obvious. No law students would fall for this, so they go to schools where they don't have to worry about law students.
  • Educating minds (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Philotechnia ( 1131943 ) on Monday July 23, 2007 @01:55PM (#19958855)
    I know the weekday news anchor in a city where one of the 23 universities is located. I'm trying to get her to run a story on this, ASAP. It's a small measure, but the more awareness of these heavy-handed tactics, the better, no? I'll post a link to the story if/when it runs, for those who are interested.

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