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OLPC Announces Buy-2-Get-1 XO Laptop Sale 360

theodp writes "Starting November 12, The One Laptop Per Child Project will sell its affordable XO laptop to Americans for a brief period of time, but there's a slight catch: U.S. buyers must purchase two computers — one for their own child and one for a child in the developing world — for a total cost of $399. 'Staff members of the laptop project were concerned that American children might try the pared-down machines and find them lacking compared to their Apple, Hewlett-Packard or Dell laptops. Then, in this era of immediate global communications, they might post their criticisms on Web sites and blogs read around the world, damaging the reputation of the XO Laptop, the project staff worried. So the laptop project sponsored focus-group research with American children, ages 7 to 11, at the end of August. The results were reassuringly positive.'"
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OLPC Announces Buy-2-Get-1 XO Laptop Sale

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  • Re:$100+$100 = $399? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, 2007 @06:20AM (#20726485)
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=CAD [google.ca]

    Yeah, Canadian dollar is nearly equal to the USD at the moment.
  • I would like to see at least some of these computers go to American schools. Do not get me wrong. I like donating to developing countries, but we also need to take care of home. Our inner cities need help. Even rural schools could use these.
    This is an honest question: why do kids need laptops? Is there some fundamental problem in teaching today that can only be solved with computers?
     
  • by TheSHAD0W ( 258774 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @06:39AM (#20726579) Homepage
    The more of these cheap laptops they can put in the hands of American teens, the more those teens will contribute to the available code base. By effectively pricing them so high, forcing donations like that, they're limiting the usefulness of the platform.
  • Price positioning (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 91degrees ( 207121 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @06:41AM (#20726595) Journal
    Surely they should set a price to maximise total profits and spend the profits on more laptops for the third world. A robust portable device like this would be ideal for a lot of people who travel a lot and don't want to worry about their computer breaking (It's tough and even if it does break most people could afford the loss). But $399 is a bit too much for that. I'm sure they'd get more than twice as many buyers at $299, and that result in more money to make computers for kids.
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @06:50AM (#20726641) Homepage Journal
    It has nothing to do with fleecing Americans. It's about getting the biggest bang for the buck. The limiting factor is US education is not access to computers or to the Internet; US schools already of technology programs. Therefore there is no reason for a charity to try to get these in US hands; they just want adult gadget hounds to underwrite getting these into the hands of kids who don't have technology.

    US education has more to fear from ill considered education reforms than a lack of technology. That said, my experience is different with respect to "today's kids". In my state (ed reform is state based) they are much better educated even than kids of my post-Sputnik days, particularly in mathematics.
  • by torpor ( 458 ) * <ibisum AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 24, 2007 @07:04AM (#20726715) Homepage Journal
    Look at it this way. You're buying one for your kid. And also for some strangers kid. Its a selfless act.

    IMO, Americans could do with far more such selflessness these days.

    What would be really great in my opinion is if the two laptops were somehow registered such that the kids can get to know each other .. this would be an astoundingly peaceful action. What modern child wouldn't want to communicate with another kid around the world using their new laptops?
  • by djfake ( 977121 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @08:09AM (#20727145) Homepage
    Okay, I'm playing devil's advocate here. If in fact what you say is true - that programming can't be taught in high school, then how do we have programmers over the age of forty? I graduated from high school in 1981; there were _zero_ pc computers in most high schools back then.

    Why do children need to code anyway? And why do they need to use a computer? Isn't it better to teach them to think, and other basics such as reading, writing, and maths?

  • by stoneguy ( 324887 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @08:55AM (#20727529)
    All the regular vendors have to do is come within $100 of this price for a laptop running Vista. Then only the few idealistic geeks will participate in the 2-for-1 program. I'm sure the big manufacturers can eat the losses on one model for one month.

    Programs like this look good on paper, but don't take typical human behaviour into account.
  • by Ambiguous Puzuma ( 1134017 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @09:43AM (#20728055)
    There's likely some amount of truth to it though, related to the brain development of a child. It's not that you can't start learning as an adult, but that you'll have a more intuitive understanding by starting at an early age. Similarly, it's much easier to start learning a spoken/written language as a child than as an adult.

    Of course some of the more advanced aspects of both language and programming require a background that most or all children won't have, partly due to time constraints. But if the fundamentals are hard-wired in by learning them while the relevant portions of the brain are developing, the concepts that build upon them should be much easier to pick up at any age.
  • by An Onerous Coward ( 222037 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @10:04AM (#20728291) Homepage
    The floating head of Ayn Rand would not approve.
  • by xmlblog ( 905562 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @10:23AM (#20728527) Homepage
    > Why do children need to code anyway? And why do they need to use a computer? Isn't it better to teach them to think, and other basics such as reading, writing, and maths? That's precisely what teaching them to program does - teach them to think systematically. And if you teach them how to program solutions to simple math problems they are covering all of the points you mentioned in a uniquely interactive and practical way. As for why children in the 21st century need to learn to use a computer, I think the answer is self-evident.
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday September 24, 2007 @11:25AM (#20729477) Homepage Journal

    As to the discussion about republican model, there is none that I know. But you seem to want to compare it against your fiction state, yet do not say why yours is working.

    My state is Massachusetts. I did not bring it up, because it automatically brings up a lot of extraneous political issues.

    It is not correct to say that ed reform is unambiguously working in Massachusetts. In some areas, such as social sciences, the results are not satisfactory. Ed reform has a number of negative impacts on the quality of education, including, I believe, unhealthy amounts of homework. There are now serious and challenging curricular requirement in Kindergarten, and Kindergarten students are being assigned homework. The state is beginning to talk about curricular requirements in preschool and even as a condition of licensing family day care providers. Many schools are cutting out arts education and sports in order to maximize their performance scores.

    These, in my opinion, aren't positive developments.

    However in math, the program is the most successful component of the reforms. First, we were early in on the ed reform process, our reforms starting in 1993, seven years ahead of most of the country. Also, when tests are introduced, schools teach to the tests. I've looked at some of the questions in the test MA requires to graduate high school, and their is considerable emphasis on mathematical thinking, which I think is a very good thing to teach. Thought is required to set up the solution of the problem, which is as mechanically challenging as any reasonable person could wish.

    The vast majority of adults in the general population would most frequently fail at either the conceptual or mechanical aspects of the problems. More likely both. Provided that the students retain the abilities needed to pass the test, requiring all students to have them is clearly an advance in general mathematical education. It seems likely to me that a program balanced between mathematical thinking and mathematical mechanics will result in higher retention than programs which are exclusively based on being able to perform a collection of algorithms when prompted.

    Many of the mechanical skills of arithmetic are introduced at about the same pace as they were in the 60s, or maybe a bit faster. Geometry is more integrated into the curriculum earlier, going back to foundations introduced at the K and 1 level, and really in earnest by the fifth grade. Also, much greater emphasis is put on word problems. Converting word problems into solution plans is taught in parallel with reading, right from Kindergarten (most kids are reading when they enter first grade). Considerable conceptual content is covered all along the way laying the foundations for algebra. This content becomes recognizably algebraic by the fifth grade, although still within the context of a general "math" subject.

    There is training on skills that my generation was supposed to pick up on its own. For example, children in my kids' elementary school are drilled in estimating correct answers, as well as producing them algorithmically. Finally these math skills are consciously put to use in the science and technology curriculum, through projects like rocketry or bridge design and testing.

    Overall, I don't care if the kids don't see a lick of calculus until they are college, so long as they can find a use for the mechanics of calculus by the time they get out of college. That said, most students would, in my opinion, be well prepared for a strong introductory course by the time they are juniors in high school, not that that is so important. What matters most in mathematics is the strength of the foundation, not the height of the edifice.

    Finally, you mention parents. That is one of the major lacking issues these days. They need to be more involved. No doubt about it. But society has changed. Due to the situation that America now finds itself in

  • by jmorris42 ( 1458 ) * <jmorris&beau,org> on Monday September 24, 2007 @12:05PM (#20730021)
    > Cash isn't money, it has no intrinsic value - confidence in the cash is the money.

    DING! Give this guy a cookie! Or at least a good upmod.

    Since everyone abandoned the Gold Standard all money is 'faith based.' Which is why exchange rates fluctuate so wildly these days. I'm not a pure 'Gold Bug' in that I don't think gold is the ONLY possible basis for currency, only that sound money needs A basis in reality and that gold has performed that function well in the past. But if someone made a case for a different foundation I'd listen. This current scheme blows though.

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