Even the Masseuse is a Multimillionaire at Google 164
PCOL writes "The NY Times is running a story on how stock options that have given an estimated 1,000 employees at Google a net worth of $5 million each affects the culture at Google. Google gives each of its new employees stock options, as well as a smaller number of shares of Google stock, as a recruiting incentive. The average options grant for a "Noogler" (new Google employee) who started a year ago was 685 shares at a price of roughly $475 a share which at last Friday's close would be worth $128,000. But employees say Google is different from other large high-tech companies where the day's stock price is a fixture on many people's computer screens. "It isn't considered 'Googley' to check the stock price," said one engineer adding that it is also considered unseemly to discuss the price with other employees. And the masseuse? In 1999 Bonnie Brown answered an ad for an in-house masseuse at Google "on a lark" and after five years of kneading engineers' backs, she retired, cashing in most of her stock options to travel the world, oversee a charitable foundation she founded, and write a book, still unpublished, titled "Giigle: How I Got Lucky Massaging Google.""
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*wink wink*
Its cool baby, i'm not a cop.
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But hey, all the power to 'em. I think people that uptight are likely the ones who need a massage the most.
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Mangled summary (Score:5, Interesting)
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better title (Score:3, Funny)
And when I say this, I mean it affectionately... (Score:2)
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My envy isn't pure, it's alloyed with plain old fashioned avarice.
Now, that's a happy ending (Score:5, Funny)
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Noogler? (Score:4, Funny)
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It was either that or call them Goobs... neither sounds all that appealing.
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The followup might be goobers, which the adolescent at google (and possibly microsoft) will transpose as boogers.
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At microsoft, it's... (Score:2)
You've gotta admit... it's better than "Bill's new sextoy".
Cash them in!!! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Cash them in!!! Really Remember FreeMarkets (Score:3, Insightful)
I know people who were working for FreeMarkets. The exercised their stock when it was selling at 190$ triggering paper profits of 180$ a share and AMT. Paid
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I guess it's my lack of knowledge about financial matters, but I've read your comment multiple times and can't figure out what you're saying.
What is a "same day sale" and why would it not trigger the AMT rather than waiting? If you exercise a stock option, don't you have to pay taxes on the gain?
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Long time ago, sometime in 1960s, many rich millionaires were using many tax avoidance schemes to avoid paying any taxes. So they introduced what they called an Alternative Minimum Tax. It used to hit people making more than 150K a year in 1960s. But they did not index the trigger to inflation. It is the same 150K a year today. Strictly speaking tax meant for people making more than half a mill a year are h
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It was a very long-term thinking way to screw the middle class:
They created it ostensibly to keep the "rich" from being able to use too many loopholes to keep their cash. Because, apparently it's simpler than just doing away with the loopholes or something. But they set hard limits on the income that triggers it, and inflation is bringing those triggers down to the level of the ordinary middle class. All they have to do is refrain from updating it and its rolls will grow every ye
Re:Cash them in!!! Really Remember FreeMarkets (Score:4, Informative)
But, when you exercise the stock, the difference between market price and the exercise price is counted as your "gain" for the purposes of Alternative Minimum Tax. Though you have not sold anything and you have not seen any money and the gain is merely a paper gain, it is counted as taxable for AMT. If you follow this path and pay the AMT and the stock falls and you sell it at a lower price, you can claim a loss. You cost basis for the stock will the market price used in AMT calculation. So if it falls you could recover the excess tax you have paid. But still it is not a simple calculation of 33% income tax vs 20% capital gains tax. It is 33% tax in AMT + 20% capital gains on further gains in the next year or 100% of the loss in the next year. It is more complex to calculate and judge. Play it simple, get money into your pocket and pay the tax on actual realized gain.
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It's reasonable to have faith in your employer to the extent that you're willing to bet on them with your non-salary compensation. After all, if you believe that you
Re:Cash them in!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
People forget how to make money in stock. Buy low and sell high. They tend to hold when it's high thinking they are going to be richer.. I keep sell orders in and smile when they hit my prices. I sold a bunch 3 weeks ago and sold some more last week when it peaked. If the price dips enough, I'll buy back some at lower prices. Often I can increase my holding by 20% in a month this way, or pocket 20% of my holdings and wind up rebuying the same amount of my original shares. I love it when the market moves up and down. That is how to make money.
Don't forget.. Sell high!
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Ask aroung and look at the comments... Has anyone lately said Google is low? The general take is Google is high. The knowledge is "It is high". Use that to your advantage. It is high simply means there are tons of people who will bail when the bubble bursts. If you don't want to hold the bag when the massive sell-off starts, it is a good stock to not be holding.
If it is climbing, put in a sell order and
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The general knowledge that it is at the right price is long past. The general knowledge is it has passed the right price, but it's still climbing so I better hold and ride it up, and "I want the action too so deal me in regardless of the cost". When it starts back down and gets traction, those who think the price is too high will quickly sell off to lock in
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Unseemly or not, there are people that went bankrupt and lost more or less everything when worldcom and when enron went bust. People don't really seem to remembe
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Absolutely true. The point many miss is this is a market. When the price is high and a ton of sellers show up all at once, not everyone is going to sell for top dollar. Stop chasing top dollar. Pick a
Re:Cash them in!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
(Not that you can't make money gambling, borderline or otherwise, mind you...)
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Buy low sell high is already well known. If the masses use it, will it break it? Short answer, no.
To get into the market, you need to by shares. Someone somewhere will have shares sitting there with a sell order waiting for someone to buy it. Someone else is ready to retire and pull out of the market and take retirement. They will sell and someone with a buy order will pick up the shares.
If everyone bought into
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Anyway, people with stock options are not investors. They're employees who are beneficiaries of a profit-based bonus scheme. It would make more sense for these bonuses to be granted in the forms of cash, except that selling employees stock
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Are you serious? The only way to make money in the stock market is to buy low and sell at a profit. Buying high and selling low is stupid. It doesn't take an expert to understand that. I'm not an expert, but I am makeing money. Look at some popular tech stocks over the last 3 months. Take Microsoft, Intel,
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World com was doing Texas Style Accounting (Score:2)
Google is not even close to this. At this point, they ARE search. Of course, the problem for them, as Netscape showed, another monopoly CAN take it away. MS will have a difficult time as long as the feds are crawling all over them (MS is suppose to be let go from that, but most of the players have appealed that). But all it takes is for Google to create n
Should google for news stories of 1905 Detroit (Score:2)
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This is a very familiar story (Score:5, Insightful)
When this crashes it will be loud and hard. Hopefully you guys working at Google are going to do the smart thing and save as much money as you can while you can.
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When this crashes it will be loud and hard. Hopefully you guys working at Google are going to do the smart thing and save as much money as you can while you can.
I highly doubt google stock is going to go down, in fact I foresee it doubling or tripling inside a decade or less. Why you ask? Lets look at how google has positioned themselves:
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Ballmer will one day wake up and will find their mail products, office products and OS sales are all no longer selling.
Fine, everyone uses google office, in your scenario. But how does that make Google money? Again, having tons of happy customers is fine, but not having a way to collect revenues from them directly... that's the killer. There's a difference between making people happy and making them money. Stock price is about making people money.
Kill MS? You forget history (Score:3, Insightful)
Even if Google grows to dominance and eats some of Mcrosoft's lunch, as Microsoft did to IBM, that does not spell the end of Microsoft.
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They hardly compete with Microsoft now. Or, to be more specific, they compete with bits of Microsoft. But what they don't compete with:
1) Windows
2) Most of Office, except Office Live and Sharepoint
3) Microsoft Games (Including Microsoft's Zone.com or whatever they call it now, and including Massive which does in-game ad serving.)
4) Hardware
5) Servers (although arguably they pro
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Interesting. Just last weekend, I went to our band premises and the guys were laying on couches and apathetically watching some music videos in hangover. I wanted to see some show and commented "Geeez! You'r watching music videos from the TV?! Gimme the remote!"
I just realized the implications.
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This happens when people fail to sell high and hold and buy instead. When a stock gets expensive, I sell. Take a look at the market last week. A couple stocks I don't own are Google and VMWare. VMWare started too expensive. Last week it peaked over $110 a share. This morning, it is at $87. Google is also too expensive to hold. Many investors
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Google Cash (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, keep in mind that the stock price keeps going up. This isn't just because Google is cooking the books. They appear to be legitimate financially. As long as this is the case, many people -- even the millionaires -- will stay on board. I predict that once Google takes a serious financial hit, many will bail out. Ideals be damned.
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A lot of us felt the same way when I was at UUNET (RIP). Thanks, WorldCon.
Fortunately, Google isn't run by a megalomaniacal crook.
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How would you know?
There seems to be some disconnect with reality when it comes to google or any other large geek-friendly company. Pretend for a second that they _are_ a multi-billion dollar corporation and pretend also that you know jack shit about them beyond what you're told. That "pretend" is reality.
I can hear these stories until the cows come home. Doesn't change shit. Google is still mega-corp no matter how many segways they ride the halls with
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I would know based on the evidence available. Bernard Ebbers is in prison after being found guilty of nine felonies including conspiracy and securities fraud. None of the top managers of Google have been convicted of any similiar felonies (that I'm aware of). Is this absolute proof? Of course not, but it is sufficient to support my original statement.
Of course, they could be committing fraud of some type or another, but I haven't read of any accounting scandals or indictments at G
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When money is involved at that level it's silly to think otherwise. I may be setting up a straw man but it seems like slashdot is overtly google-friendly while wasting no time to throw similar large corps under the bus. I just don't see any distinction between google
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Google's stock price has nothing to do with it's financials - if it did, the price would be a fraction of what it is now. (It's P/E is insane.)
Precisely the reason why GOOG's price keeps heading for the sky.
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More realistically, assume you'll be dead at, say, 100 years old, and spend accordingly.
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5M / 60 = 83,333 a year. Not bad. Plus the 40K interest which would be less each year.
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She got lucky at google? (Score:2)
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Stock Options (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that options are great for startup companies, which Google is not anymore, to compensate for the risk that the people who work in them do, and the fact that the contribution of early employees is by definition seminal to building a successful company. But for mature companies (which Google is now), it becomes too difficult to manage as a standard compensation system. How can you keep employees focused on their commitments if the cash bonus that you can afford to offer them at their annual review is dwarfed by the value of the stock options they already got just for being hired ?
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I graduated just after the Y2K peak, and then there was 9/11, so for most of my career, I got almost no bonus while seeing my few actions lose value every month. I certainly can't say it helped me stay commited.
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It is good to watch the stock all day...... (Score:5, Funny)
Stock options keep you going when everything else is falling apart, baby! I stared at that little window for a straight 18 months, and LIKED it.
Sure, Mountain View aint Redmond; there are actually more reasons to go outside, but if Microsoft had been giving out free food, I think I might have died under my desk, and my group manager just covered up my body and sprayed perfume on it until we shipped.
shareholders getting shafted (Score:2)
More about Bonnie Brown (Score:3, Informative)
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So, do you have a date? Vague predictions of doom aren't "actionable intelligence".
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Vague predictions of doom aren't "actionable intelligence".
I find your lack of faith disturbing... - Darth Cheney
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Google seems to be employing the same technique as Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet), i.e., never split the stock. The benefits of doing this is that your stock price is less subject to the "churn" associated with dime-a-dozen 401(k) "day traders" who don't understand that $600 * 1 == $25 * 24.
I have no opinion either way on the value of Google stock as I haven't looked at the numbers, but it's viewpoints like yours (coming out of ignorance) that cause the boom and bust stories in the market. Find good companies at a good price run by good management (the unstated part of this is that to figure out these points, it needs to be a company in an industry you understand), then buy and hold until those factors change. That's all there is to it. Most investors don't have the patience to implement such a method, which is why you can be told how to make money and it still works. And if you doubt me, ask Benjamin Graham, Warren Buffet, and Peter Lynch how it worked for them.
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Stock splits keep the finance/accounting people busy and that's about it.
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If that were universally or even commonly believed to be true, splits would be exceedingly rare. They aren't.
If buying X shares at Y dollars per share was essentially the same transaction as buying X/k shares for Yk dollars per share for all integer k > 1, it would be true. But it isn't; generally, as soon as X/k
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I get so confused.