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Copyright Lobbies Threaten Federal College Funding 277

plasmacutter writes "The EFF is raising the alarm regarding provisions injected into a bill to renew federal funding for universities. These new provisions call for institutions of higher learning to filter their internet connections and twist student's arms over 'approved' digital media distribution services. 'Under said provision: Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable — (2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity. Similar provisions in last year's bill did not survive committee, it appears however that this bill is headed toward the full house for vote.' Responding to recriminations over this threat to university funding, an MPAA representative claims federal funds should be at risk when copyright infringement happens on campus networks." We've previously discussed this topic, as well as similar issues.
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Copyright Lobbies Threaten Federal College Funding

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  • "Develop a plan" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dada Vinci ( 1222822 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @09:43PM (#22121966)
    To keep the "throw up" metaphor going, all that a university has to do to comply is to throw some ideas up in the air and call it a "plan." The key language is that a university needs to DEVELOP a plan. There's nothing saying they have to IMPLEMENT that plan. A lot of schools have started offering subsidized Yahoo!Music and Rhapsody subscriptions as a way to give their students music without having to file-share to get it. Everybody get something out of the deal--the university pays lower upstream bandwidth costs and the students get legal access to bazillions of songs. Maybe actually paying for Yahoo! isn't great for the university's budget, but nothing says they have to actually DO anything--they just have to PLAN to.
  • Re:{sigh} (Score:2, Interesting)

    by bigstrat2003 ( 1058574 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @09:51PM (#22122052)
    Well, they apparently are, as evidenced by this piece of legislative shit.
  • Re:"Develop a plan" (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bzipitidoo ( 647217 ) <bzipitidoo@yahoo.com> on Sunday January 20, 2008 @09:54PM (#22122074) Journal
    Rather than weasel around the requirements, I'd like to see colleges take them head on. Just whip up a one line plan that says "We're not going to do anything to comply with these laws because they are impossible." Maybe a few will have the guts to go that route should this actually be passed.
  • by Doug52392 ( 1094585 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @09:58PM (#22122110)
    I've noticed this a lot lately, any government agency, lobbyist group, or any group that is supposed to be fighting crime views every single person in the world as criminals.

    In the eyes of the federal government, we are all terrorists, so our Constitutional rights should be taken away.

    In the eyes of Comcast and Verizon, we all use our Internet connections that we pay for to do illegal stuff, so we should have our Internet connections regulated, censored, and spied on.

    In the eyes of the MPAA and RIAA, we are all illegal software pirates that deserve to be sued for millions of dollars.

    And in the eyes of collages and universities across the United States, we are all criminals who are plotting school shootings and bombings, and deserve to have the FBI raid our dorms, be arrested, and be kicked out of collage.

    See the picture here? Everyone thinks that if they label every single person on Earth as a criminal, it will make all our problems go away. But they are wrong. They are all wrong.

    The federal government thinks they are keeping us safe by treating every single American as a terrorist plotting to blow up the country, but what about the people who actually are plotting something like that? They would never catch them because they would be too bush prosecuting innocent people to notice!

    With airports locked down tightly thesse days, travelers are annoyed by all the security checks and security stuff to make sure people don't have weapons. But the people who actually want to do harm could probably easily smuggle that kind of stuff by them.

    And for all the piracy bullshit, they think that shoving the DMCA and RIAA lawyers in everyone's faces will stop the 1% of people who ACTUALLY steal software, movies, and music, while the other 99% of us suffer. But it WON'T! Hell, I'm getting very tempted to start illegally putting brand new movies on BitTorrent just to stick it to the RIAA, MPAA, etc. If we're all criminals in these people's eyes, what would it matter? Personally I don't agree with downloading movies and music (with music sucking with that rap crap, what is there to download?), but I don't think it should be a federal crime punishable with million dollar fines and stuff.

    When will they learn, the government and RIAA can't solve all their problems like this!
  • by Lunarsight ( 1053230 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:02PM (#22122138) Homepage
    This is yet another reason to boycott the RIAA. I heard that music industry album sales took a real dive last year. Let's assist them going down even further for 2008.

    As far as the MPAA goes, perhaps they also need to be reminded what happens when they bite the hand that feeds them. (Of course, if the writer's strike lasts long enough, it will leave them very economically vulnerable. What better time to boycott the bastards?)
  • I agree with this... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sean22190 ( 1076889 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:03PM (#22122148)
    Messing with college kids always goes over well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War [wikipedia.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:04PM (#22122150)

    as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity.


    The only thing the colleges are legally obligated to do under the DMCA is provide identities if they are capable.

    Through that lense, I call censoring the internet connections of college students and making their moral decisions for them pretty "over the line" myself.

    Why not put a pro-life clause into the bill too... require universities to make publicly available their policies and procedures related to abortion and explore technology based deterrents to such immoral activity.
  • Re:"Develop a plan" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Comatose51 ( 687974 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:05PM (#22122156) Homepage
    IANAL but trying to weasel your way out of a law usually doesn't work in the court system. American laws follow the tradition of "spirit of the law" rather than "letter of the law". This is why we have judges and why jurists argue over the intent and motivation behind a law. For example, the first amendment's guarantee on freedom of speech and press would not extend to digital formats if not for this tradition since digital formats can include neither speech nor printing presses.
  • Re:{sigh} (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jayp00001 ( 267507 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:12PM (#22122214)

    We could vote 'em out of office, but that didn't work too well either last year. The new ones quickly became just as evil and corrupt as the old ones.

    Sigh.


    That's because we didn't vote the corrupt ones out of office, we voted already corrupt ones in to office. What should have happened is that we should have talked to our party chairperson (on whatever party that we wanted someone out of) and explained that they had 2 choices- make that guy not run for re-election and we'd stick with that party or let that guy run and we'd switch. Party chairs have far more influence than any lobby rep. Believe me these guys will listen when their phones start ringing.
  • Re:{sigh} (Score:5, Interesting)

    by novakyu ( 636495 ) <novakyu@novakyu.net> on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:22PM (#22122262) Homepage

    No it's enough to make you wish you had enough money to buy your own politicians, so you could write the laws you wanted.
    But we do! Where do you think these MPAA and RIAA guys get their money? Us!

    It doesn't matter what kind of laws they write—if we stop buying their stuff, they will eventually go out of business, fascist laws and draconian enforcements notwithstanding.

    Ever since I found out more about the copyright industry vs. the public struggle, I made sure I spent absolutely nothing on what's produced by MPAA and RIAA members—no music sold through a major record label, and no movies (I used to go to theater once every month or so—not anymore). Of course, one man not handing money over to MPAA and RIAA may not make a difference, but if you and I stop making them a profit and tell everyone we know not to, one day we just might.
  • Not a bad idea?" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by zotz ( 3951 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @10:44PM (#22122402) Homepage Journal
    "(2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity."

    Here is the beginnings of one such plan...

    2.a. When it comes to music, music that does not have a Free License is not allowed on the campus networks. Net even legally purchased music if it doesn't have a Free License.

    2.b. The University has set up a server at freemusic.university.edu where we host music with licenses as described in 2.a.

    all the best,

    drew
  • I mean, the whole country is locked in the hands of an investment class that frowns upon any enterprise that even smacks of productivity. They would rather rake the poor over the coals with high interest just because it has a higher return. They seek to restrict and restrain any trade that offers meaningful competition. They seek to make the people believe that their subjugation is moral, and they seek to use cultural preferences to divide the nation and hide any real agenda.

    Show me the candidate that wants to ban credit cards, reduce the terms of patents, or do any structural thing designed to break up the current moneyed class. There isn't one. There's no political party seeking to benefit the American people, merely, a set of dueling soulless juggernaughts, jousting, half drunk with power, over whose lords will crush the masses the most.

  • Re:{sigh} (Score:4, Interesting)

    by webmaster404 ( 1148909 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @11:21PM (#22122652)
    Its not really that but no congressman (here in the USA) runs a campaign in technology. Very few will openly state their feelings on the DMCA, Software Patents and fair use. While they are always telling voters of their views of the war, taxes, greenhouse gasses, abortion, the second amendment, finding out where they stand on any technology issues is nearly impossible. How I wish we had a pirate party.... or at least RMS as a senator (now that would be a sight....)
  • Re:Not a bad idea?" (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dunbal ( 464142 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @11:22PM (#22122656)
    Here is the beginnings of one such plan...

    2.a A single, purchased copy (at educational discount prices) of all copyrighted works (music and movies) shall be placed in the university library. Additional federal funding will be required to purchase these works, however such funds could be covered by an additional tax on the record labels.

    2.b Students will have 24hr online streaming access to the university library, so long as they play/view one work at a time.

          After all, turnabout is fair play.
  • by ill stew dottied ewe ( 962486 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @11:37PM (#22122780)
    As a student at an "institution of higher learn" (guess which one) I have experienced these attempts to control filesharing. There was a point where internet connections were being turned off due to high traffic, assuming 4GB over bittorrent was always "evil." I am a CS student, and I have several distros on my computer. I heard about this just in time to stop sharing them, as I can't afford to lose my connection to the internet or the internal Unix machines (our programs must run on them). They have backed off, and claim that only illegal filesharing will be punished, but I don't trust them, they have failed too many times. It is not the place of the internet provider, be they a university or a business, to filter and decide what bits are evil. They will, without fail, punish the innocent.
  • Strange but true (Score:3, Interesting)

    by buss_error ( 142273 ) on Sunday January 20, 2008 @11:47PM (#22122856) Homepage Journal
    Something that's pretty strange, and while I'm not licenced to practice law in any state of the Unided States, I don't see where it's illegal to OBTAIN unlicenced intellectual property, only to PROVIDE it. On the other hand, receiving stolen goods IS a crime.

    How I see it is that RIAA and MPAA are failing to provide their content in a way that is easy, free of silly encumbrances, and are guilty of product tying. In other words, their bleetings are a product of their outmoded and protectionist practices, not because they actually add any value.

    Put another way, if RIAA and MPAA are allowed to seek injunctions against receiving their products in a way they don't approve, I'd like to seek injunctions against every power company that provides electricity because it cuts into my profits in selling whale oil and whale oil lamps. Out moded business models should die because of market pressure, not thrive due to political contributions, rigged laws, or "The Disney Copyright Protection Act".

    That said, Intellictual property is property, and depriving those that own it of legitimate compensation is theft. There are many inequities in movies, even more in music. But one cannot legitimately usurp agreed contracts of the creators of that IP, no matter how unfair it is to the creators. They agreed to it, after all.

    I do not have any .ogg (a better MP3) songs that I do not own the CD. I've never downloaded anything that I did not purchase an origianal licenced copy of if it is covered under triditional copyright. That that create a work I apprecite deserve to be conpensated for their effort under the terms they make their work available.

    If you don't like the people or the circumstances the work is made available under, the simple solution is to avoid the work. Don't buy it. Don't download it. Don't view it, and don't support them in any way. This is why I've not see a Sony move, bought a Sony CD, or purchsed a PC with Sony chips that I could avoid. (Not always possible, but you can TRY.)

    For the same reason, I do not own Blue-Ray. I have HD-DVD. I may have to go to Blue-Ray as it displaces HD-DVD, but I'll only go there once HD-DVD is a thing of the past.

  • Re:{sigh} (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Wildclaw ( 15718 ) on Monday January 21, 2008 @12:51AM (#22123284)
    The biggest parties (usually two) in any goverment are mostly equally corrupt. Losing votes to their opposite big party doesn't scare them that much. They are simply two sides of the same coin. If they lose in one election, they will simply adjust their stances a little to gain back the voters they lost. It is just ordinary politics.

    The real solution is to vote for third parties.. What really scares mainstream politicians is losing votes to someone who isn't well known, because that means that people are beginning to notice that the mainstream parties are two sides of the same coin and rejecting that coin.

    Of course, before every election you will hear how you should vote for one of the big candidates, because other votes don't matter. In actuality it is the opposite. Votes for big candidates don't matter since they are all votes for the same coin. They simply reinforce the opinions that the current politicians in power have.

    There are of course times when voting for the lesser of two evils has its purpose, but it is far less often than most people would think. To avoid this completly it would of course be better to have a system where you could rank your candidates, but try getting that into the law.
  • by TheVelvetFlamebait ( 986083 ) on Monday January 21, 2008 @01:19AM (#22123428) Journal

    One reason, is that leads to privacy invasion since you have to monitor all communication of private citizens to make sure that they aren't sending copyright information.
    That's not true. We don't need total surveillance to monitor You can selectively monitor piracy hotspots, like P2P networks, or illegal websites (think a US version of allofmp3.com, or something akin to that). If people want privacy, it would encourage them to find a network that successfully discourages piracy, or just to stop using the P2P networks altogether if they are inevitably abused. I'm sorry, but the right for all of us to have our culture trumps the potential for slight privacy invasion of select individuals on select networks. If that's still too much though, you can always make copyright infringement a criminal issue, hand all enforcement over to the government, and make them get a warrant before monitoring suspected pirates.

    There are also economical issues regarding inefficencym as copyright is a limitation on the free market of distribution.
    Yes, that's the point of copyright, but that doesn't make it a problem.

    There are other issues also, such as new business models that copyright laws prevent.
    Like what? Any artist may release their works directly into the the public domain, as if copyright never existed. Copyright provides all the same options, but more, which enables all the same distribution methods, but more.

    Rick Falkvinge, the leader of the pirate party did a presentation at google about some of what I said above, that was filmed.
    Ah yes, a man of extremes and absolutes. He can't quite seem to distinguish between the entertainment industry and copyright, nor can he distinguish between the appropriate monitoring of illegal activity and total surveillance. He's the kind of guy who deserves to live in a society of total surveillance just so he can get some perspective about what he's protesting about. He's the kind of guy who thinks corporate copyright holders care more about killing freedom than they do about increasing profit margins (they're corporations, not villains out of a B-grade novel). He's the kind of guy who likes to dictate to the rest of the world to do what he wants, and gloss over the consequences of doing so. As you can probably see, I have little respect for the guy.
  • by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Monday January 21, 2008 @01:46AM (#22123586) Homepage Journal

    the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials

    to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property
    1. which is it, copyrighted materials or intellectual property? Are they trying to suggest the two are synonymous?
    2. what illegal downloading are they talking about? Can they state which laws exactly make downloading illegal? Cause if they're talking about the No Electronic Theft act, sorry, that's not relevant to downloading.
    3. haha, your stupid country has laws that deal with civil matters with criminal laws.. how fucked are you?

  • Re:{sigh} (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2008 @03:02AM (#22123970)
    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini
  • Re:{sigh} (Score:3, Interesting)

    by berzerke ( 319205 ) on Monday January 21, 2008 @06:23AM (#22124814) Homepage

    ...in most states which are heavily Democratic or Republican you're throwing your vote away no matter what you do...

    It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.- E. Debs

    As I live in Texas, for both Senatorial and Presidential elections at least, the way I figure it, voting third party is the only way my vote will count at all. For those that don't know, Texas is a republican state. At the senate and presidential level, the republican candidate will win no matter what. The presidential republican nominee could take a whiz on the Alamo (a major insult to Texas!) with cameras rolling and still win the state.

    The republicans know this and the democrats know this. So neither party really cares about the state other than for fund raising. The republicans can take Texas for granted and the democrats know money and time spent here is wasted. Therefore voting for either party doesn't matter. That leaves third party and independent candidates.

    Let third party and independent candidates start getting enough votes, and they qualify for federal campaign funds. Now their message and presence will reach more people. In the meantime, it just might rattle the 2 parties enough to throw the people a few scraps to try and win back the voters who have left them.

    For those in states whether either party has a lock, voting third party is the only way to make a difference. For those in toss-up states, you have to weigh you choices more carefully.

    ...Until enough people vote for a 3rd party that it becomes viable, votes cast for a 3rd party don't matter.

    It has to start somewhere. I'm reminded of a story. A woman was walking along a beach after a big storm. The sun was coming out and the beach was covered with starfish that had washed ashore in the storm, dying because they could not get back in the water. She picked one up and tossed it back into the ocean. A man watching her yelled out, "That won't make any difference!" to which the woman replied, "It made a difference to that starfish."

  • by proselyte_heretic ( 1030466 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2008 @12:24AM (#22134024)
    Not quite authoritarian enough. The universities license and copyright their degrees, and in order to apply to a job, you have to ask the university to grant you authorization to copy your degree and send it to your prospective employer. Obviously if it is the RIAA, this permission is not granted.

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