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Amiga and Hyperion Settle Ownership of AmigaOS 227

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HKcastaway writes "Amiga Inc and Hyperion Entertainment announced a settlement over ownership and licensing over AmigaOS 4.0 and future versions. Since the bankruptcy of Commodore, Amiga's history has been littered with lawsuits that have affected the development of Amiga hardware and software. Having a lawsuit-free OS probably will help a great deal to the continuity and recovery of the Amiga heritage. Hyperion also provides AmigaOS SDKs for developers.'
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Amiga and Hyperion Settle Ownership of AmigaOS

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  • by manicbutt (162342) on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:11AM (#29792345)

    For a second there, it looked like I was reading a story about the Amiga OS in 2009. Ha ha ha! Silly clock radio.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by R4wBon3 (952203)
      ..."I love you babe. I love you babe. I love you babe."
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mdwh2 (535323)

      For a second there, it looked like I was reading a story about the Iphone being able to check a website in 2009. Ha ha ha! Silly clock radio.

      For a second there, it looked like I was reading a comment from someone still poking fun at the Amiga in 2009. Ha ha ha! Silly clock radio.

      Yep that's right - one Amiga article in a blue moon and the jokes start, yet Slashdot covers all manner of other platforms and systems, whether they're still cutting edge or not.

      Hell, we still have stories about other old platforms

    • by ciderVisor (1318765) on Monday October 19, 2009 @10:12AM (#29793651)

      The Amiga offered one helluva lot of bang for your bucks back in the day. The OS was relatively slick from both the user and developer perspectives. The graphics and sound hardware was pretty decent, too. A good quantity of third-party software and games. Genlock abilities and TV-standard screen modes made for great video-captioning abilities, etc.

      But come on. Even a mid-spec'ed Windows PC can handle genuine video editing, multi-track virtual recording studios with awesome soft synths and effects plug-ins, 24-bit colour to massive resolutions. All without having to work too hard in order to play nice with other apps and the OS itself.

      Great in the day, but only interesting in a historical context. The same could be said of the Atari ST or Acorn Archimedes.

      (Ex-Amiga 500+ owner and developer.)

      • by sconeu (64226) on Monday October 19, 2009 @10:16AM (#29793717) Homepage Journal

        Even a mid-spec'ed Windows PC can handle genuine video editing, multi-track virtual recording studios with awesome soft synths and effects plug-ins

        Yes, but the Amiga did this on an 8MHz 68K with 1MB of RAM. Can you imagine an Amiga with today's hardware specs?

        • by rho (6063) on Monday October 19, 2009 @10:46AM (#29794153) Homepage Journal

          Can you imagine an Amiga with today's hardware specs?

          Yes, it would be "in development" until 2015, and then released to practically nobody, who would promptly sue.

          I've ceased to be excited by the "potential" of any hardware platform. The history of technology is littered with a lot of potentially great things that failed to do anything remotely great.

          If you wanted to sum up Apple's recent successes, it would be "they delivered." Apple didn't promise the world, they merely delivered a continent or two. Here's a product: you can do these things with it.

          • And that's the lesson for any technology; hardware or software. The most successful hardware and software is often (maybe even usually) not the best, but simply the one that delivered on managed expectations. I know a lot of startups or companies on the ropes will promise the moon, but either what we get is only a shadow of what was promised, or we simply never get it at all.

            The only way you can really play the hype game is if your huge like Microsoft, and have so much market traction that you can claim a

          • by Darinbob (1142669) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:30PM (#29797515)
            The AmigaOS was relatively simple. Not as simple as DOS of course, but simpler than the Macintosh. The problem, was with having a shoestring budget, fickle investors, revised business plans, etc. Then the big competition problem of going up against an entrenched product. Amiga did "deliver". It was a very functional product from the first release.

            A big snag was that it, as well as the Atari ST and Apple IIGS which came out at the same time, were bridge products between the old style home computers and professional business oriented computers. The market for a "home" computer just was not very large at all, and that never really took off like mad until the web browser. The business market for small computers was solidly DOS based, and issues of colors, video, and sound were not important to them. So these computers grabbed a lot of niche markets instead: programmer hobbyists, video enthusiasts and professionals, musicians, gamers, etc. Remember at the time that the Mac was also very much a niche market as well, and a much more expensive product.

            Of course, I think another huge reason PCs won, is that they had all the clones. IBM didn't lock things down very well, so just about everyone could make a copy and sell something just slightly cheaper than the next guy. If you just needed to print memos and work on spreadsheets, you went with the cheapest no-name option. The "expectations" for the typical PC user were extremely tiny.
        • by dgatwood (11270)

          Yes, but the Amiga did this on an 8MHz 68K with 1MB of RAM. Can you imagine an Amiga with today's hardware specs?

          It did it all with outboard hardware, though, IIRC. Saying that the Amiga did all that stuff with such a slow processor is like saying that there's a new breed of humans that can move at 65+ MPH and conveniently omitting the words "in a car".

          • by butlerm (3112) on Monday October 19, 2009 @01:57PM (#29796973)

            Everything a stock Amiga did was done with careful programming and a small amount of well designed hardware assistance. In fact, most of what it did outside of the games arena is entirely due to careful programming.

            The original Amiga 1000 shipped with 256KB of RAM and 256KB of (quasi) ROM. With that you got a fully preemptive multitasking OS. You could open smaller programs in dozens of windows. Multiple command line shells, a paint program. That is the kind of efficiency you get when you hand code a simple kernel in assembly language, and have much of your software written by people who are used to working in extremely constrained environments.

            Virtual memory is nice, but it really slows things down. It makes programmers lazy. Most modern machines (and Linux machines in particular, no matter how much RAM they have) aren't as "snappy" as an Apple II with 64K of RAM. Virtual memory is the primary culprit. Walk away from your machine for a while, or run an I/O intensive task and everything ends up paged out to disk, and the system sputters to a start in a few seconds once you start poking at it again.

            And then there is X - terminal independence is nice, but is there any real doubt that X kept the world of affordable Unix graphics about a decade behind systems (like the Amiga) that just used a simple frame buffer? Even today, native X is pretty much useless anywhere off the local LAN. It wasn't designed to succeed in its native element, i.e. as a terminal.

            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by jesup (8690) *

              Not all that much of the OS was assembler - the biggest piece was FFS (which subsumed OFS), and honestly probably shouldn't have been in ASM - but space was *tight*. Sure, quite a few of the drivers were in assembler, and performance-critical parts of Exec were in ASM, but that was almost required at the time for low-level HW interfacing. Much of the OS was in C. (I was responsible for removing the majority of the BCPL code (look it up on Wikipedia) used in AmigaDOS for OS 2.0.)

              It was all fairly carefull

          • by Darinbob (1142669)
            Yes extra hardware, but if you look at an Amiga motherboard and compare it to the average 286 PC of the day, it was still simpler. The PC was never really designed, it grew through accretion as all the clone makers copied each other. Compare just about any PC clone motherboard to any non-PC to see the difference.

            All that extra hardware in an Amiga is now standard in PCs. The CPU doesn't do all the audio, graphics, and video anymore, DMA is normal and expected and not an extra frill, etc.
        • by hazydave (96747) on Monday October 19, 2009 @01:14PM (#29796239)

          You didn't video editing on an Amiga without serious add-on hardware.

          Most folks using Amigas for video were doing analog video, too... digital was barely there at the end. You could use a Genlock for titling, other devices to overlay effects on video, etc. but it was still tape to tape. That wasn't for the feint of heart, and while it was revolutionary for a small number of video professionals, it was only a precursor to today's video revolution, which required digital capabilities.

          An Amiga with today's hardware specs would be just like a Macintosh with today's hardware specs: it would be a PC. Guaranteed. Near the end, we were already moving toward using as many commodity parts are possible: PC power supplies, disc drives, etc. Future systems were going to use the PCI bus, and would most likely have been designed CPU-agnostic (look up the "PIOS One" for an example, if there's anything still online... that's the direction I was pushing things before C= failed).

          There was a question, back in '93 or so, about the future of desktop CPUs. So we had proponents of the PowerPC, of the PA-RISC, of the Alpha. But by the time the whole Escom/Amiga Technologies adventure was over, things were changing. Shortly thereafter, Apple guaranteed the failure of the PowerPC on the desktop by cancelling Mac Cloning, and it was obviously clear to anyone who was paying proper attention that x86 was the only game in town for this class of computing.

          And still the bozos at New Amiga or Hyperion Entertainment or whomever kept their sights on the PowerPC (I do not know specifically where the bozos were, but bozos there were, have no doubts). I know a few of these people, not all of them, but the collective functions as a group of wannabes without proper long term vision. I even tried to hit them in the head with a clue-by-four, even going back to the short tenure of this stuff at Gateway 2000, but there was no help.

          The hardware didn't need saving... you need to reinvent computing hardware every five years or so, or it gets too complex to keep advancing. Had Commodore not failed, they would have eventually got out of the graphics chip business, just like Compaq and various other PC companies who once did their own graphics chips stopped. Graphics chips became GPUs, and any one systems company could no more make their own GPU than their own CPU. Everyone who tried either of these failed, in time, unless they built a very strong market well above the level of the personal computer. You could afford to spend $2000 on a CPU for a high-end server or whatever it if went a little faster than the next guy's... you couldn't do that for personal computers. Much less the reality that, without sufficient volume, you couldn't even keep up. The problem Apple so well illustrated with the PowerPC's rise and fall.

          The software needed saving, or at least, it would have made things more interesting. There was real opportunity, if they had assembled a team of top notch OS people, like Be did... but that's not really what happened. So, after spending several times as long on AmigaOS 3.x -> 4.x as it took to get from nothing to 1.0 (or beyond), they now have what... a fairly small incremental improvement that runs on... pretty much nothing. We actually did a real engineering analysis of this upgrade in 1995-1996... moving from AmigaOS 3.x to a version, written for CPU-independence, targeted for the PowerPC, with a proper HAL, was about a two year project for the team Amiga Technologies had started assembling. Along the way, that included fixing many of the system's flaws.

          When this didn't happen, and AT fell apart, we wound up doing much the same thing at Metabox AG, only this time building a modernized AmigaOS-like OS from scratch... AmigaOS enough that things like Voyager and MUI were easy ports. Took about two years.

          The fact that nothing had come of this public Amiga silliness pretty much should drive home what a non-event this is. There's no much of value that can some from this, they're just too far behind.

        • by AmiMoJo (196126)

          It simply wouldn't scale.

          AmigaOS is a single user OS, so is massively vulnerable to viruses. Windows/Mac/Linux/BSD/Be/etc are all multi-user for security reasons as much as anything else.

          There is no proper memory protection, even in OS4. OS4 protects some memory, but a single app can still crash the entire system.

          Even with the last version of the "classic" OS, 3.9, you need a lot more than 1MB RAM to really get much out of it. Even basic stuff like the retargetable graphics engine (basically the graphics dr

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by uglyduckling (103926)
          In all honesty, a Mac with OS X is pretty much what I would have expected Amiga to have evolved into. The Amiga CLI was broadly based on BSD, it had lots of unnecessary pretty eye candy on the desktop, was popular with graphics, video and sound amateurs and professionals, and was considered fairly over-priced by many people (usually people who hadn't used one for an appreciable length of time). Every time I download a .dmg file, the massive icons to encourage me to drag the application to the Applications
  • Why? Is anybody still making consumer boxes that can run this? Does the OS support MMUs yet?

    I can only see this being interesting of the source is released and ported to things.
    • by Gleng (537516)

      The SAM440ep [acube-systems.biz] exists.

      Now that the legal troubles are out of the way, Hyperion are free to port the OS to whatever they like.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Hal_Porter (817932)

      You don't need an MMU, you need careful programmers.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        If only it were possible to build careful programmers into a few bucks worth of silicon...
        • Ironically one of the developer tools Commodore shipped with the SDK was Enforcer - which used the otherwise unused MMU to detect improperly referenced pointers and invalid access to memory.

          Still a pretty crappy way to save money on all those Amiga's with 'EC' 68k's.

      • by Abcd1234 (188840)

        You don't need an MMU, you need careful programmers.

        Yeah, fuck virtual memory!

      • You don't need an MMU, you need careful programmers.

        So how do users defend themselves from uncareful programmers?

  • Having a lawsuit-free OS

    Software patents have been abolished too? About time.

  • Brutality (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:22AM (#29792419)

    There is little good in them coming out of their litigation.

    Winding back the clock a little, Amiga Inc came out of the broken bones of the old Amiga organisation. They came up with some plans, most of which broke down.

    What they did do, was ally themselves up in an evil triumverate, with two other companies.

    Amiga Inc, Hyperion, and a third company, Eyetech.
    These three cooked up a goofy plan to ship a half baked OS, on severely half baked PPC hardware, so broken it became an in joke. The worst lunatics in the 'community' bandwagoned this complete junk, and the vast majority of people who fell for it, paid a lot of money for over priced junk. The warranty was worthless. A great many people walked away during this time, and a great deal of friction arose because of these antics.

    The fact that two of these were killing themselves through litigation led to a hope they might destroy themselves, if for no other reason than they be denied the ground to sell their next 'release' on the unwise, the ill educated, or the stupid.

    Putting that aside, its hard to consider Amiga OS, and the hardware choices are appallingly bad (unless you like crippled and old PPC equipment tied to old junk from the PC world) - so unless this 'new' start comes up with very serious improvements in every area, including warranty and support, and merchantable quality in their goods and services, and decent, reasonably priced hardware, then there is no reason for them to even exist. And on past events, they don't deserve to.

    • You know, the Amiga community is probably pleased that the announcement page got slashdotted. I really wish that things had worked out differently, that when Escom AG or even Gateway 2000 bought them, they would have committed to the platform. There were some ideas in the later Amiga OS designs which are only just now showing up in Vista. And, if I'm correct, they pulled it off without the same, disgusting overhead of Vista. I think, to honor the dedication of the Amiga community, we should all enjoy [youtube.com] a
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Shinobi (19308)

        Someone who learned programming on the Amiga checking in.

        For me, it was the most awesome platform ever to learn on. Full hardware docs, very cleverly constructed hardware where a lot of stuff could be bypassed etc. Taught me about multithreading, message passing, modularity, the beauty of micro-kernels and similar architectures, and the flexibility afforded by those. Moving on to Windows and various Unix-derivatives/plagiarisms was, and still is, painful, and you run into too much stuff that's obviously cre

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by hollywench (646205)
        I wish things had worked out differently, i.e. before C= went bust. We know who to blame for that (and not Jack Tramiel.) :-p Some of the Amiga community is still here reading /. I may not own a Miggy any more, may not post all over FidoNet and AmigaNet via dial up or uucp either, and I don't give a damn about Hyperion or Amiga Inc any more... I quit doing those quite a while back.. but I still consider myself a member of the Amiga community. There are a number of people I met via Fido's Amiga ec
      • by Blakey Rat (99501)

        There were some ideas in the later Amiga OS designs which are only just now showing up in Vista. And, if I'm correct, they pulled it off without the same, disgusting overhead of Vista.

        Like what?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo (196126)

      If the Amiga has been allowed to "die" back in the mid 90s I think it would probably be in a much better position than it is now.

      Endless promises and outright lies over the years have slowly destroyed the community that was once so strong. If people had just accept that it was a retro system, much like the Archimedes and Atari ST guys I think more people would be interested in the Amiga today. I sold my last one (yes, the "Ami" part of my handle is short for Amiga) in 2004. I was just so fed up with the who

  • I would think this would be a little "late to the party" situation here. Does Amiga even have the resources or funding to create ground breaking or even interesting new hardware? Can they seriously compete with Intel, Motorola, AMD, NVidia, and Texas Instruments at this point?

    Do they have any IP or expertise to develop a new OS that can provide a reasonable alternative to Linux, Mac OS X, or Windows?

    Resurrecting a brand name might be one thing, but I am somewhat skeptical that Amiga can begin producing ha

    • by Jugalator (259273)

      I agree, it sounds so much out of the loop that the only way out might be to open-source the whole thing.

    • Of course not (Score:3, Interesting)

      by MikeRT (947531)

      If they're smart they'll either work on support for fat binaries for x86 and powerpc or powerpc and arm. If they couple that with a solid WebKit or Gecko-based browser and get Flash ported over, Amiga would be a very competitive platform for netbooks.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by dammy (131759)
        There is already a open source version of Amiga OS called AROS which is x86, x86_64, PPC and shortly ARM. http://www.aros.org/ [aros.org]
      • by mlts (1038732) *

        There are a few niches where an OS that is dedicated for video and audio would be nice. When I mean dedicated, I mean with the facility for as low latency as possible, and full realtime capabilities.

        Combine this with hardware that has multiple cores (not just the same type, but perhaps some cores that turn on for higher CPU tasks, while basic I/O loops are handled by low power cores, as well as cores for DSP use.)

        Of course, ports are necessary. USB ports on different I/O channels (so the hard disk would b

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by hazydave (96747)

          Some of that's actually going away, slowly. It certainly depends on your workflow.

          I used to have MIDI, with Bars and Pipes, on the Amiga, which led me to Cakewalk on the PC, and one of those MOTU 8-port MIDI devices, all kinds of stuff. These days, while I could record on the computer, I'm more likely to record on my Fostex portastudio, then bring all the raw tracks in for mixing on the PC. If you're in a big studio, you're going to have external digital ADC/DAC and mixing, so the PC itself needs just some

    • The Amega OS was almost 10 years ahead of its time in features, however that was 20 years ago. Because of the rather stagnate growth in Amega it is now basically 10 years behind the times. While that is a far way it isn't as bad as it seems.

      Because of Vista failures most people are still using XP (Windows 7 hasn't gone out yet) so right now Microsoft is about 8 year behind the time... However because of Windows 7 and the fact they they learned from vista. They are expected to be caught up real soon.

      Linux

    • Re:A little late? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by mdwh2 (535323) on Monday October 19, 2009 @09:23AM (#29793013) Journal

      Indeed, they probably can't, but would they have to?

      Apple realised they were no longer able to compete with their MacOS, or hardware, so now we have Macs that are PC hardware running an OS derived from Next.

      Does anyone mind? On the contrary, Apple fans seem to love the new platform better than the old. They seem to be doing better than before, now they've made the switch.

      can begin producing hardware and operating systems that are going to compete with current market players in any meaningful way.

      But you're conflating things - just because they can't compete on hardware doesn't mean they can't compete. I don't see how it isn't "meaningful", when you can make money and sell computers doing it. The market's moved on - people don't make custom hardware anymore, not even Apple.

      Coleco announces they have a Windows 7 killer in a brand new updated ColecoVision 2009?

      More like Apple announces they have a Windows 7 killer in a brand new updated Mac.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Darinbob (1142669)
        Well, some people mind. I am seriously disappointed that now x86 is the only game in town. It's like if COBOL became the dominant language. All alternative CPUs are essentially only on embedded systems. Even Intel can't manage to get better designs of their own accepted. So we're stuck with a CPU on just about every desktop computer that still has a strong family resemblance to the old Intel microprocessors from the 70s and 80s; the modern versions are instruction set compatible with the 8088, which is
  • by rimcrazy (146022) on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:37AM (#29792555)

    What are these companies running on besides fumes?

  • It's official! AmigaOS belongs to...the past.
  • Decades too late... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by argent (18001) <peter@AAAslashdo ... minus threevowe> on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:52AM (#29792695) Homepage Journal

    Introducing a completely new OS was barely possible in 1985. If the OS had developed with unbroken continuity it might have gotten somewhere, but by the mid '90s the writing was on the wall. OS/2, BeOS, consumer QNX... if an OS didn't already have a committed user and application base, if it wasn't UNIX or Windows, it was doomed... and even then it wasn't anything like certain.

    The operating system is like the roads. Most people don't care how the roads are built, and they're not going to buy a new car just to go down your driveway.

  • by HanzoSpam (713251) on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:55AM (#29792723)

    ...Ford reintroduces the Model T! All new for 2010!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by vlm (69642)

      ...Ford reintroduces the Model T! All new for 2010!

      Maybe not Ford, but in about 30 seconds I found two places to buy new Model T / Model A parts. Not junkyard specials but newly manufactured for the classic enthusiast market.

      http://www.superiorglassworks.com/Ford-Model-T.html [superiorglassworks.com]

      http://www.rootlieb.com/html_files/ma_spd_kit/ma_spd_kt.html [rootlieb.com]

      Personally I'm tired of cookie cutter cars, and would pay good money for a new model T, just to have something unique. That strategy worked for the "new VW bug".

      • by arielCo (995647)

        ...Ford reintroduces the Model T! All new for 2010!

        Maybe not Ford, but in about 30 seconds I found two places to buy new Model T / Model A parts.

        Taking the car analogy further, there's not much fun in commuting every day at 45 mph, without a/a (be it to cool or heat), etc etc; if that's not what the funny GP post meant, I don't know what.

        Personally I'm tired of cookie cutter cars, and would pay good money for a new model T, just to have something unique. That strategy worked for the "new VW bug".

        Oh, the Model T is sure a cookie-cutter car (indeed the first to be churned out in an assembly line, and had very few design changes along its life); they just don't use that recipe anymore. The WV New Beetle only salutes Porsche's original shape to make it cute and likeable and youthful, but it was a new car: a mod

    • by mdwh2 (535323)

      And Apple introduce the Jphone! All new for 2010!

  • by bigsexyjoe (581721) on Monday October 19, 2009 @08:56AM (#29792737)
    I wake up on Monday morning, do a quick Slashdot check. Then I see a story about the new Amiga OS. From there, I feel compulsed to find out why a business actually developed a new version of Amiga, why anyone cares, etc. From there I found out that not only did this happen but the people involved were actually in a lawsuit for many years. How much could this product be worth that you'd actually litigate over it? I suspect the litigation ended primarily because the parties ran out of the crack they were smoking and realized they should just bring whatever they had to market. Now I'm down on time, confused, and have nothing to show for it.
    • by imakemusic (1164993) on Monday October 19, 2009 @09:05AM (#29792805)
      How d'you think I feel? I just wasted a minute reading your complaints. (apologies to anyone reading this)
    • by mdwh2 (535323)

      I know, it's annoying when on a news for nerds site, we learn about tech companies that you might not have read about in the mainstream news. Please take me back to the three stories a day, where we can learn about accessing websites or downloading apps on one particular make of phone, as if no one ever knew you could do that.

      • by abigor (540274)

        I take it you have issues with the iPhone, given the number of "can access a website" posts you've made. Maybe you should just learn to relax.

  • Hyperion also provides AmigaOS SDKs for developers

    If it contains anything like their Hyperion Intelligence Designer (IDE-wise), I'll pass. The API leaves much to be desired. If it's just a barebones toolchain, might not be so bad.

  • Amiga comeback (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Atrox666 (957601) on Monday October 19, 2009 @09:56AM (#29793435)

    I'mma gonna let you finish but OS/2 came out with the greatest OS that's going to take over the world. I always hear about these OSes like OS/2 and Amiga OS, BeOS, and Linux that are going to take over everything. I had an Amiga. It was a great machine and it took a long time for the PCs and the Macs to catch up(Long after it was dead). What Amiga taught me most was that you would not win in the computer market by being better. I also learned to let go of past technology.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What Amiga taught me most was that you would not win in the computer market by being better.

      It also taught me that, plus that users cannot rely on proprietary software.

      Sure, I wanted the Amiga to "win," but as a user, what was really important was not whether it won or not, but whether it continued to be maintained and developed. Even with a small marketshare, a platform can totally kick ass and make that minority wonder why they're a minority. But if you don't get a serious update since 1992, then the

  • Every time I hear about the Amiga now I remember an NPR story that talked about how the clothing you wear in your 30s is usually slightly updated versions of the same things you wore in your 20s -- for the simple fact that you equate the clothing you wear with a more youthful and fun time and have a sub-concious comfort in persisting.

    If you ask any 'hip' 20 year old, no matter how hip you were 10 years ago -- whatever you're wearing now is stupid and you're completely out of touch with whats cool now.

    I can

  • by petrus4 (213815) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:20PM (#29798345) Homepage Journal

    ...but the world as it could be. That has always been the nature of the Amiga.

    I've always had a strange feeling that the Amiga was like something out of an episode of Sliders.

    It was almost as if, with this system, instead of being something from our own world, at some point a brief window to a different and more positive reality was opened; a place where the priority systems of people was aligned with what truly worked, and said place's inhabitants cared more about creativity, and community, and real innovation, and less purely about the profit motive, than they do here...and that for the few seconds said window was open, an A500 fell through it, was found by someone here, reverse engineered, and then reproduced.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1PjOEFPTk [youtube.com] - This is an example of what I'm talking about. A comparison with Linux on a very old machine. The Amiga always demonstrated the kind of performance which logically, just didn't seem as though it should be possible... ...and yet somehow, it was.

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