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Timberwolf (a.k.a. Firefox) Alpha 1 For AmigaOS 152

Posted by timothy
from the because-it-was-there dept.
An anonymous reader writes "We're happy to announce the availability of the first alpha release of Timberwolf, the AmigaOS port of the popular Firefox browser. Timberwolf needs AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2 installed. Please read the documentation for information about usage and limitations. This is an alpha release, meaning it will have a lot of problems still, and be slower than it should be. We are releasing it as a small 'Thank you' to all those that have donated in the past to show that development is still going on. Timberwolf is available on os4depot.net. For further information and feedback, check the Timberwolf support forum on amigans.net."
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Timberwolf (a.k.a. Firefox) Alpha 1 For AmigaOS

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    How responsive is this port? Is it fast enough to get a first post on slashdot?
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by sxedog (824351)
      I think you answered your own question...
      • by Qzukk (229616)

        No no, he's looking into it to see if it's faster than what he's currently using.

        • by JWSmythe (446288)

              Well, it should be faster than his C64. :)

             

          • The C64 web browser is actually pretty fast. Unfortunately, with only 64KB of RAM in total, and around 10KB or so taken up with the kernel (Contiki), there isn't much left to store web pages. Basically, you need to get a first post, because if you load a Slashdot page with more than a few comments you'll run out of memory.
            • by bhtooefr (649901)

              The Apple II version of Contiki does things in a way that's simultaneously very smart and absolutely fucktarded.

              Because it doesn't support CSS or anything fancy, it grabs the page, and anything that it knows won't display, it discards.

              To display more of the page, it makes another round trip to grab the page again.

            • That is why you need the 4096 kilobyte external memory upgrade. The internal 64K is used directly by the 6502 CPU while the external memory can be used for caching of webpages, graphics, et cetera.

  • by Hatta (162192)

    Does this run on anything besides official Amigas? Does it run on anything fast enough to make Firefox worthwhile? If so, does it still support all the original Amiga software?

    • Re:AmigaOS (Score:4, Informative)

      by idontgno (624372) on Wednesday June 09, 2010 @04:32PM (#32516468) Journal

      I'm not sure what you mean by "official Amiga". OS 4.x is strictly PPC, and specifically "AmigaOne, SAM440EP and Pegasos II" (from the "AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2" link). By my definition, there were no native PPC Amigas (i.e., from Commodore); those were all 680x0 machines like God intended.

      I guess that just goes to show you the unsettled state of what's considered "Amiga".

      • by Hatta (162192)

        Honestly I didn't even know there were PPC Amigas. I'm guessing they won't run 68k Amiga software then.

        • Originally the PPC stuff was done by an add-on card and you could still run 68k software AFAIK. I couldn't afford to upgrade to PPC though and ended up going to PCs instead.. I'm still slightly tempted by the whole thing just for fun.. with a decent browser then an Amiga could be almost as useful to me as any Mac or Linux machine.. then again if I'm going to bother buying a desktop machine I'd probably get it with Windows so that I could do a bit of gaming on it. If there's a PPC Amiga emulator out there I

          • by hitmark (640295)

            if those 68k are still made (not likely but hey) could one pull something similar in reverse? have the main cpu be a PPC and then offload the older amiga code to a addon 68k board? even the best amiga emulators seems to struggle at times, to i guess its more about the custom amiga chips then the 68k.

            • Yeah I don't think it's emulating 68k processors that is the problem, we've been doing that for a looong time.. and any games I ran on Amiga emulators even 5 years ago were fine tbh. If you're having problems then you maybe need to switch around settings on the emulator.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by TheRaven64 (641858)
          They probably can. The PowerPC instruction set was designed to make it easy to emulate x86 and m68k. The AIM (Apple, IBM, Motorola) group wanted to run Windows and MacOS on them, emulating the legacy architectures for old code. Given that most m68k Amigas had an CPU running at under 8MHz, and even the upgrades only went to about 40MHz, it's not much of a stretch to expect a 533MHz PowerPC to be able to emulate the m68k chip much faster than the real thing ran. Unless, of course, you bought one of the 30
          • If you EVER figure out why the various Amiga OS developers didn't abandon legacy 68k support in favour of an emulation layer about 15 years ago, PLEASE let me know.
        • They run most system friendly m68k software through JIT emulation. You can, of course, also run UAE and variants thereof to run hardware banging software. RunInUAE is an almost entirely transparent method to do so.

      • >>>By my definition, there were no native PPC Amigas (i.e., from Commodore); those were all 680x0 machines like God intended.

        But Commodore(spit) sold the Amiga to other companies, and those other companies followed the Apple Macintosh example: Upgraded from the obsolete 68000-series to the new PowerPC CPUs. These later model Amigas are no longer Commodore(spit)-labeled machines, but they are still Amigas.

        In retrospect the death of Commodore may have been one of the best things to happen for Amiga.

      • by orange47 (1519059)
        actually there are PPC cards (BlizzardPPC) for 'classic' Amigas. those beasts have two CPUs, and can use them at same time (i think, at least no restart is required). sadly only OS4.0 runs on them.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by ninjakoala (890584)

        "Official Amiga" is, I guess, the system running "Amiga OS" from whoever has the rights to call it that. The name has been shifted around a lot, but the PPC systems run an operating system directly descended from the m68k Amigas.

        Macs run on x86 instead of PPC or m68k these days too.

        The right to use the Amiga-related names lie at Amiga Inc. and Hyperion Entertainment CVBA (some usages exclusive to Hyperion - some on license). Hyperion works with third parties to deliver machines. The AmigaOne X1000 from A-Eo

    • I used Netscape 4.x and IE 4 (or 5?) on a PowerBook Duo 270c, which has a 68030 with 24 MB of RAM running MacOS 7.6. You know what? It worked fine, except (unsurprisingly) Flash animations.

      As I know the power and culture of Amiga, which runs 32bit for ages to begin with, I can't see a reason why such a modern code like Firefox should suck on it, especially in days with PowerPC processors running Amiga.

      If you mean A1200/A4000 Amigas by official, I really wonder about it too. For example if one could port 680

  • oops (Score:5, Funny)

    by MrDoh! (71235) on Wednesday June 09, 2010 @04:14PM (#32516216) Homepage Journal

    | Guru Meditation Error |

  • Three things:
    1) Why call it Timberwolf? To avoid the Iceweasel debacle?
    2) Timberwolf sounds a whole lot cooler than Firefox.
    3) AmigaOS looks pretty from the screenshots.
    • 1) Why call it Timberwolf? To avoid the Iceweasel debacle?

      The guy who wrote it has aspergers and is obsessed with Justin Timberlake.

      2) Timberwolf sounds a whole lot cooler than Firefox.

      Oh dear, another Justin fan!

      3) AmigaOS looks pretty from the screenshots.

      Note: Doesn't reserve the word "pretty" for females. Yep that about confirms it.

    • 1) Why call it Timberwolf? To avoid the Iceweasel debacle?

      This was the inspired effort of the lead marketing consultant (one of the grizzled developer's girlfriends).

      2) Timberwolf sounds a whole lot cooler than Firefox.

      Yes, this was the special insight of the aforementioned girlfriend -- she realized that there was a unique opportunity to capitalize on the zeitgeist: namely the Three Wolf Moon phenomenon and the popularity of the reality TV logging shows.

      3) AmigaOS looks pretty from the screenshots.

      So does

  • Awesome, now Gurus will be mediated to troubleshoot Firefox (I mean Timberwolf) issues.

  • USER_AGENT (Score:5, Funny)

    by RichMan (8097) on Wednesday June 09, 2010 @04:16PM (#32516264)

    So does anyone know the exact string the browser identifies as?

    I am thinking I should set my browser to match this.

  • Wow (Score:1, Troll)

    by Locke2005 (849178)
    I'm sure both the people out there that still have functioning Amigas are thrilled -- but only because they were both involved with the porting process!
  • This isn't the old Amiga OS running on old hardware. This is a new version (as in 2000's) of the Amiga OS to take advantage of newer, more powerful hardware etc.

  • Mac user: Your sad devotion to that dying religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen Commodore glory!

    Amiga user: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Pinch. Pinch. Damnit. Why isn't it working!?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUc7hXUAX8 [youtube.com] - Timberwolf on micro A1 - it's fast, despite the Alpha Version.
  • The RISC OS port of Firefox was overhyped and painfully slow even on the Iyonix last time I tried it. It wasn't a "true" port either, it didn't use the native GUI of the operating system. It would be a shame if this port has similar setbacks.

  • For all four of them.

    I am anxiously waiting for the ZX Spectrum port.

  • Seriously, where's the CoCo love!? ;-)

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