Google Acquires Metaweb 63
eldavojohn writes "A startup called Metaweb (looks like an ontological, entity-based approach to Web 2.0 tagging) has been acquired by Google. You can find out what they're about from a super marketing fluff video they put together. The neat thing about Metaweb is that the database of entities it has is free. Will Google be able to make Metaweb work on their omniscient scale, or was this just Google making sure a startup doesn't become yet another player in search?"
Silly Logic (Score:5, Insightful)
Will Google be able to make Metaweb work on their omniscient scale, or was this just Google making sure a startup doesn't become yet another player in search?"
If Metaweb doesn't work at Google's Scale, then it couldn't compete with them.
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Better to spend peanuts now to buy the possibility then spend a fortune later to fight off a competitor you didn't see coming.
See also: Microsoft.
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This is a good point. I don't know if this was a factor in Google's acquisition, but Powerset (acquired by Microsoft and now part of Bing) uses Metaweb's Freebase.
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If you didn't "see it coming" in five years from now, then you either didn't know of it's existence today, or you made an error of judgment today, or you forgot tomorrow what you knew of today. In which cases you still deserve to die (in a corporate sense) for being incompetent.
Sounds like this company/ idea has been around a while and Google have decided that their ideas/ technologi
Re:Silly Logic (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not sure how you got from "Machines automatically creating and ranking indexed entities" to "Destroy all humans" but I'm sure it involved an illegal substance.
Re:Silly Logic (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not sure how you got from "Machines automatically creating and ranking indexed entities" to "Destroy all humans" but I'm sure it involved an illegal substance.
It's the AI that was supposed to index 4chan.
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Simple, currently humans are integrated in this system. But we will eventually be phased out in favor of better performing and more efficient machines that don't generate as much repeated junk data (aka social media). It's a natural upgrade process.
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But the system is FOR humans - there'd be no need for a system without humans - I think thats the part of your theory that fails entirely. AI cannot be self serving.
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The problem is that nobody wants to express information through RDF tuples and ontologies. Instead, they express information in human-readable text, with structural and visual markup. Search technology has come very far in terms of figuring out what information we actually want, with things like personalization, disambiguation (see DuckDuckGo for example), shopping/product search, and so on. All this stuff can be teased out of traditional web content with far less effort than trying to get every company
Re:"Ontological" is a synonym for failure. (Score:5, Insightful)
stuff that requires hard AI or tons of human labor and thus won't be happening any time soon.
Wikipedia.
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... which is exactly what DuckDuckGo uses as its data source to handle disambiguation. But Wikipedia is structured for humans and features a large volume of knowledge in human language form with some basic markup. It's not a bunch of information encoded in RDF tuples. Thus my point. Trying to get everybody on the web to re-encode the vast body of knowledge out there in RDF, explicitly referencing ontologies is a setup for failure. Sure, you might use some sort of tuple format to internally store inform
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Aaahhh Wikipedia... the idea of collecting “facts” by determining how many idiots did not disagree.
Or in other words: Argumentum ad populum hard at work.
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This is why "ontologies" have become synonymous with fail.
So you're saying that Google bought a failure to save the rest of the world from it? It's the "tons of human labor" part that becomes the issue; it's bad enough trying to teach a human about semantics, let alone a pedantic automaton. Wake me up when an AI can disambiguate without me spending 45 minutes explaining the basics of English language.
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Early on, we knew we'd have to make a UI so that users could have as close to a free-text experience as possible while still contributing structured data. Freebase lets you create a topic that is generic, and then co-type it with multiple specific types later. It allows ontology geeks to do their thing, and regular users to just work where they are comfortable. It's a tough balance to strike, but Metaweb's Freebase was populated by a small team of data wranglers using a mix of automated methods and coordina
Didn't see it coming. (Score:5, Funny)
Everyone was thinking Google would take over the Web, and here they skip right past it and acquire the Metaweb.
Well played, Google, well played.
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Before you know it, they'll move on from the web and acquire the mesh!
Re:Didn't see it coming. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been using Freebase integrations on a couple of sites, and the possibilities Freebase already offers for rich metadata integration is HUGE.
For example, a couple of their simple API samples are a list of Police songs from the Synchronicity album, ordered by track length [freebase.com], or Graduates of Stanford born since 1960 who are board members of companies [freebase.com]
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Holy shit that is cool.
I wonder if investigative reporters will be able to utilize this. Datamining for the little guy.
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Freebase makes their data available as free CC-licensed data dumps. You can import this into any database you want. There's no requirement for Metaweb's technology to use the data. It's just a very convenient way to do so!
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Once you start freebasing, you just can't stop.
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Well, they could have got the web for free - http://www.free-web.org/ [free-web.org]
I never metaweb (Score:2, Funny)
i didn't' like.
Rehab (Score:5, Funny)
Will Google be able to make Metaweb work on their omniscient scale, or was this just Google making sure a startup doesn't become yet another player in search?
Wrong and wrong, you see Google is freebasing [freebase.com] now:
The web isn’t merely words[, or water-soluble,] it’s information about things in the real world, and understanding the relationships between real-world entities...
Sometimes you have to give it a good ole "smoke-test" to see the possibilities...Google should be careful though, the path they have chosen is a slippery slope!
For a web 2.0 company (Score:2)
They sure have an ugly web page.
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For a web 2.0 company ... They sure have an ugly web page.
Okay, two jokes come to mind right away:
1) That's why _Google_ bought them!
2) You already said 'web 2.0'; you don't need to say 'ugly' when you've said that.
Palantir (Score:1)
Looks like this may be a way to make a play for competition in homeland security and business support, like Palantir [palantirtech.com] has done plus medical data tracking, and other possible extrapolations
I'm fairly sure it's not going to be used for just generating websites.
Expanding reach (Score:2, Interesting)
Legitimately wondering if Microsoft and AT&T did it much more dastardly or if there's no significant comparison whatsoever.
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I hope they keep working on Gridworks (Score:2)
One of the challenges with generating and using data sets is cleaning them up. Data entry errors, OCR failures, conflicts between multiple sources, etc. make it a pain to search and summarize data. Gridworks [google.com] helps me hunt down bad records and normalize fields. If it keeps improving, people might start using it before publishing their crap data.
Freebase (Score:2)
Something Alta Vista had Google does not... (Score:5, Interesting)
In a way, I miss Alta Vista, in that they had a few things that Google does not:
Say you searched for "wine", and activated that mode. It would present you with some possible extra terms you could search on, such as "white", "red", "tannic", "windows", "microsoft", "emulator".
Were you to be searching for the fermented beverage, you could select "red", "white", "tannic" and so on.
Were you searching for the ABI adapter package, you could select "windows", "Microsoft", and "emulator" (which yes, Wine is NOT...)
I'd love to see Google add that sort of refinement, ideally "learning" what sorts of terms go with what (Wine + tannic = beverage, wine + OLE = software).
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I wish they would just allow us to use regular expressions and be done with it ...
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Re:Something Alta Vista had Google does not... (Score:4, Interesting)
I wish they would just allow us to use regular expressions and be done with it ...
There's a good reason why not - because of regex DDOS [wikipedia.org] with people inputting "N(o|oo)" to match "Nooooooo....ooooo!" (or similar).
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If it is known, it can be prevented. If it can be prevented, your argument is invalid.
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This is in Google! I typed wine and if gave me a whole bunch of choices, like wine tasting and so on. Turn on JavaScript and it should work
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It's not quite the same. The Alta Vista approach grouped the tags - it would have grouped "tasting" with "red" and "white", while grouping "OLE" and "DirectX" in a separate grouping. Moreover, it was smart enough to use that grouping to allow you to select the whole group.
Thus, Alta Vista was better able to detect that sometime "wine" means a beverage, and sometimes software, and that the two concepts are different.
Google still has trouble understanding that the fermented liquid and the software aren't the
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http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en [google.com]
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From the early days to acquisition! (Score:2, Interesting)
I was on the founding team at Metaweb when we spun out of Applied Minds. I can answer some questions here, but first I wanted to congratulate the team that brought this company all the way to acquisition.
So, from the beginning we knew that semantic this and ontology that would be a non-starter for most contributors from Planet Earth. While Freebase is a complex system under the hood, the user interface makes contributing data to an existing type (schema) pretty easy. You can add content from a browser windo
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Pong!
Alternative Headline (Score:1)
Look forward to Freebasing with Google!
Google has it. (Score:1)