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Hawking Radiation Claimed Created In a Lab 129

eldavojohn writes "In 1974, a young newcomer to the Royal Society named Stephen Hawking predicted that black holes emit Hawking Radiation. Researchers have been looking for it in space ever since. A new paper up for publication claims to have beaten searchers by observing it in a lab. Doing it wasn't easy. They say they brought light to a standstill by drastically increasing the refractive index of the material it was being fired at, creating a 'white hole.' This horizon, beyond which light cannot penetrate (event horizon), is the same between white and black holes, which caused the team to suspect they observed Hawking Radiation when light of a different uniform wavelength than the input laser was emitted. But, before you rejoice, the Tech Review article notes, 'Of course, the big question is whether the emitted light is generated by some other mechanism such as Cerenkov radiation, scattering or, in particular, fluorescence which is the hardest to rule out.'"
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Hawking Radiation Claimed Created In a Lab

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  • by Luyseyal ( 3154 ) <swaters.luy@info> on Monday September 27, 2010 @09:38AM (#33710358) Homepage

    Yay, the LHC will not kill us all!

    What I want to know is if this could be used to create a cool sort of battery or capacitor. I'm imagining layers of metamaterials to store the photons with only a certain amount of predictable Hawking radiation emitted. I doubt if it'd be better than chemical batteries but the geek cred would be way up there.

    -l

  • Double emission? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by FalconZero ( 607567 ) * <FalconZero@Gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Monday September 27, 2010 @09:45AM (#33710432)
    So when the virtual particle pair is created at the event horizon, one is trapped stationary beyond the horizon, and the other escapes (becoming real).

    In this experiment obviously the event horizon doesn't persist indefinitely, so when the horizon collapses, do the 'trapped' photons escape? and hence is there a time delayed double emission of the hawking radiation? Would this provide a testable signature?

    Any physicists know?
  • by pinkushun ( 1467193 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @09:56AM (#33710534) Journal

    For those who did not RTFA or article comments, more interesting fiber optic black holes (and pictures!) : http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~ulf/fibre.html [st-andrews.ac.uk]

  • by ath1901 ( 1570281 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:01AM (#33710584)

    By the way, even if this experiment and their conclusions hold water, it is not a proof of black hole evaporation or Hawking radiation. It would be more like a proof of concept.

    In the experiment, they've created a pseudo-event-horizon from which light can't escape. It's only a light event horizon though. Shoot a bullet through their material and you will definately see it go through the event horizon without any problems.

    The similarities to a real black hole is that photon pairs created on the pseudo-event-horizon should create radiation if Hawkings reasoning about real black holes is correct. So, it would show that Hawkings thought experiment had some merit but not that black holes necessarily radiate.

  • by martas ( 1439879 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:13AM (#33710686)
    umm, is this [wikipedia.org] what you're talking about?
  • Graviton Diode? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:16AM (#33710746) Homepage Journal

    We also now create black holes in labs. Could we create pairs of white holes and black holes together in a lab, and study the gradient between them for gravitons? Would we be able to pair them into gravity diodes? If so, could a gravity laser be made from them?

    Could we use a gravity laser to focus Hawking radiation onto "blank" quanta to reconstitute the entropic hologram of the complex structure that a black hole reduces to those "blank" quanta when it emits the Hawking radiation?

    If so, could we entangle pairs photons, send each member of each pair across space in opposite directions, then work one of the pair against the Hawking radiation to encode it across to the other of the photon pair, which in turn modulates "blank" Hawking radiation at the far end through a gravity laser, reconstituting the quantum entropic state of remote blanks? If so, we'd have teleportation that could run at least double the speed of light on demand (entangled photons rushing at c to opposite points = 2c), and if prepared in advance simply instantaneous teleportation.

    Will Hawking finally deserve the "greatest brain of our time" reputation that TV acts like he does?

  • by cb123 ( 1530513 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:30AM (#33710926)
    The process need not actually be distributed over space -- the escaping particle travels, yes, but the actual energy conversion happens when and where the escaping is first created.

    Now, its creation is a quantum state transition which has a "magical" quality in the same way that, say, a photon escaping an atom's electron shell does. There is no extended energy transport process at all. The electron makes a quantum jump simultaneously with the photon field of the world gaining a new photon traveling away. Indeed, with visible light, the wavelength of the photon -- hundreds of nanometers -- can easily exceed the spatial scale of the atoms electron shell, usually a few nm. So, the photon kind of just "appears".

  • by simcop2387 ( 703011 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:46AM (#33711118) Homepage Journal

    Not quite, i was referring to this [wikipedia.org]. i couldn't look that up earlier because i was on a really bad connection that was dropping packets left right and center.

  • by raynet ( 51803 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @11:05AM (#33711462) Homepage

    Why would the black hole diminish? Shouldn't the same amount of virtual particles and virtual anti-particles cross the event horizon?

  • by Dragoniz3r ( 992309 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @11:12AM (#33711576)
    Although, the black holes that can currently evaporate due to this mechanism are (as I understand it) well below stellar mass. The amount of hawking radiation that larger black holes emit is below the amount of energy they receive from the cosmic microwave background, thus they cannot evaporate.
  • by Gunnut1124 ( 961311 ) <rowdy.vinson@noSpAm.gmail.com> on Monday September 27, 2010 @11:50AM (#33712278)
    Leonard Susskind was the guy and the problem wasn't originally an "information" problem, but instead an entropy problem. The information questions came in after they sorted out the holographic principals of information representation along the surface area of the event horizon.

    Sean M Carroll has a good book about what that means for time if you are interested...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27, 2010 @11:56AM (#33712384)

    The explanation I've often seen is that in the virtual pair, one particle has negative mass. If the negative mass particle is captured by the black hole and the positive mass escapes, then the mass of the black hole is reduced. There are two things about this I have never understood:

    1) Is the negative mass concept just a convenient analogy to explain Hawking radiation to laymen, and not a real explanation of the underlying physics?

    2) Isn't it equally probable that the positive mass particle is captured and the negative mass particle escapes, resulting in no net change of mass in the black hole over time?

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @12:59PM (#33713450) Journal

    Particles are points, right? I.e. of zero size, and therefore infinite density. So why doesn't (e.g.) an electron immediately collapse to form a black hole?

    An electron's classical radius isn't zero, but more to the point, you can't use just classical physics at that scale.

  • by Mitchell314 ( 1576581 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @02:43PM (#33714862)
    This is the way I understand it (probably wrong): because of quantum mechanix hocus pocus, any point in space-time does not have zero-energy. Also, that energy state isn't perfectly stable, so occasionally it causes virtual particles to appear. Those particles are complementary matter / anti-matter particles, and under normal conditions, they quickly annihilate each other after their birth. However, very very close the event horizon, some unfortunate particle is sucked it while their siblings have the right velocity and distance away from the black hole that they run away. Remember that there's conservation of energy/mass (mass and energy can convert into each other, but you can't actually destroy or create them). So because of that conservation, and since the black hole is emitting radiation, the black hole is losing mass/energy.

    I *guess* (see:not researched) that because space-time really doesn't like very low energy states that it somehow sucks energy from surroundings, ie slowly pumping energy to the event horizon from a little bit inside, and that concentric zone dips in energy and sucks some more from the space inside that, etc until you get to the singularity. But that seems to contradict the whole "point-of-no-return", so I really don't know how it works.

    Black holes are fucking weird.
  • Re:Double emission? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tgrigsby ( 164308 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @04:07PM (#33715848) Homepage Journal

    So by your explanation, I give off Hawking radiation just by walking across the room? My understanding of Hawking radiation had to do with more of a shearing effect caused by extreme gravitational conditions parting two virtual particles to result in a single real particle. I'm not sure my ass qualifies as a sufficiently large gravitational well, nor can I picture a pseudo event horizon forming at any distance behind it while I walk.

  • by SlothDead ( 1251206 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @04:26PM (#33716082)

    But what about the normal particles falling into the black hole? Why don't the cancel out the antiparticles, on average? (I'm not a physicist, I never understood Hawking radiation)

  • by DriedClexler ( 814907 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @05:34PM (#33716786)

    I love that this is a site where I can tell, and people can get, jokes that require you to see the analogy between quoting an EM frequency as a wavelength, and quoting a mass as an energy. Makes my day :-)

  • by interval1066 ( 668936 ) on Monday September 27, 2010 @10:59PM (#33719136) Journal
    The charge or any other quantum property of the particle is immaterial, the net gain of energy is negative due to the action of a rather convoluted series of interactions related to black body radiation in a vacuum. If you want to read about it just google "hawking radiation black hole evaporation" but I promise the plainest explanation of it is deeply mathematical. If your not mathematically inclined (like me) you can read it and you might as well be reading Greek.
  • Re:Double emission? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Thing 1 ( 178996 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @01:33AM (#33719738) Journal

    The image of a virtual pair around an event horizon is not, ultimately, how the result holds or is proven or even what the process is "about".

    I had the mental image of myself walking, shedding heat particles, generated by my internal processes cracking apart ATP, and using the gained energy inside (in order to walk). It was pretty cool, "self as event horizon", with particles splitting (if you allow the definition somewhat loosely, with "energy" and "heat" being what's split). Also appreciated Unruh being explained so well.

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