Digital Tech and the Re-Birth of Product Placement 228
pbahra writes "When you think of product placement on television you tend to think of cumbersome 1950s examples where the actor would cheesily turn to camera and hold up, say, a bar of soap—where do you think the sobriquet soap opera came from—to deliver his line. Perhaps to save all of us the artistic murder, the practice was prohibited in Europe, but recently the prohibition has been relaxed and a U.K. start up is offering digital producers the chance to inject products realistically in post production with full directorial control. The problem with existing physical product placement is that there are no clear business plans, and the process is incredibly slow. In Europe, legal constraints prohibit directors from re-writing scripts to include products, so any placement has to be done at the creative stage."
It'll be fine, brought to you by Carl's Jr. (Score:2)
We've had this in the U.S. for ages, and the only side-effect that I've noticed is that I can't stop thinking about delicious, delicious fast food products. I recommend that you just relax and let the placements do their work. If you try to fight it, it'll just give you a really nasty headache. Then you'll have to take Tylenol-brand pain reliever, washed down with a refreshing Coca-Cola.
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"Why would they put Captain America on a can of Canada Dry?"
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Because "Captain Mexico" would have been just what they wanted us to do.
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It gets worse than that. You get the Verizon Wireless Concert Series on the Coca-Cola Stage at the Sun Life Stadium for the Disney Halftime Show starring The Who brought to you by Carl's Jr at the Super Bowl...
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That's almost as bad as a NASCAR driver plugging all his sponsors when talking about the car.
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Smart kid. Obviously, they should put Wolverine on Canada Dry!
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That's Captain North America, to you!
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I'm good at this.
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I know what you're talking about. Evidently Toyota was a sponsor on Bones a few seasons back, for like 6 episodes the characters starting going on about their Sienna minivan, and how the Prius dodges oncoming traffic. Like most people I don't mind so much when it's weaved into the story fairly unobtrusively, but this was way over the top.
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All restaurants are Taco Bell!
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Great reference.
there is always the oprah/scoble model (Score:2)
say how cool something is and the cult will buy it
Soap Opera (Score:4, Informative)
I think he needs to do a little more research on the origin of "soap opera".
might I suggest a connection to laundry soap?
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Isn't bad... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wait, what are you trying to insinuate about Macintosh users? Only petty thieves use Macintoshes? Or only petty people use Macs?
Either way... woo, boy howdy, are you in for a royal flaming.
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bad product placement can ruin character development, for example, showing what is supposed to be a poor family having a top-of-the line Mac in their kitchen.
Maybe that's why they are poor, they blew all their money on a top-of-the-line computer.
Or maybe it's a movie about Enron and they bought the computer the day before the company collapsed.
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The most notorious example had to be the Mac-compatible alien technology in Independence Day. Thank god the aliens didn't go with Intel PC's, or we would've been fucked.
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Well at that point Goldblum and Smith could just have inserted a faulty SATA driver and they're computers would have kept BSODing.
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They would have had to invent SATA first...
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Was that paid for by Apple? Or did the ID producers simply want to piggyback on Apples high tech image?
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My theory is, is that since so many Apple products are used in post-production and graphic design, that the writers/filmmakers just use what they know. Look at how many sitcoms and movies use thinly-veiled Apple tech (one of the shows my kids watch make them "Pear" devices...PearPhone, PearPod, etc).
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Apple has a whole branch of their marketing department dedicated to encouraging and supplying free Apple gear to production companies. I don't watch a lot of TV, but I've noticed that MacBooks always have the distinctive Apple logo, but everything else has some generic symbol or simply a blank spot on the lid where the logo used to be. I don't think I've ever seen a MacBook with its logo removed or covered.
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> Product placement isn't bad when it works with the story
Unless, of course, you think subliminal advertising is a bad thing.
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Unless, of course, you think subliminal advertising is a bad thing.
Subliminal? Unless you're completely tuned out or blind and listening to the movies rather than actually viewing the picture, product placement is most obviously liminal. In-your-face style liminal. Unmistakably liminal. Superliminal.
This message brought to you by the Dr Pepper organization to add the word "liminal" to the ever-evolving Levi's brand English language.
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I don't get why people care so much about this. If a film or TV show is supposed to be realistic, depicting people in the same world as the viewers, doesn't it make sense for real products to be shown? I actually DISLIKE when characters go to, say, a Burger Prince and order a Thumper. It feels fake, because we know if the characters were actually real, they'd be going to Burger King. Like it or not, that sort of thing is part of our world, and trying to pretend otherwise takes me out of the experience.
A goo
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I don't know about you, but I can clearly see a deviation on one frame at NTSC or PAL rates... and that's not something quite so obvious as OH GOD RED AND WHITE ok back to normal colors...
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Best product placement I've ever seen was in Natural Born Killers. From what I've read Coca-Cola sacked most of their product placement team in LA afterwards.
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Best product placement I've ever seen was in Natural Born Killers. From what I've read Coca-Cola sacked most of their product placement team in LA afterwards.
Best Coca-Cola product placement ever was during the Clarance Thomas senate confirmation.
Re:Isn't bad... (Score:5, Informative)
Natural placement of branded items isn't always a bad thing. It can make the story that much more believable. I find that the products with labels that are deliberately nothing like anything in the real world can actually be distracting. With the dialog, it's far more natural for an actor to ask for a Coke or Pepsi than to say "I'd like a cola."
But the best product placement in a movie had to be "Wayne's World". They did an entire scene about how they didn't want to sell out to advertisers. Of course, the scene was shot with as many product placements as possible while they were talking about selling out to advertisers. They even mimicked the commercials of some of the products. Garth dressed head to toe in Reebok gear saying "It's like people only do these things because they can get paid. And that's just really sad." had to be the funniest part of that scene.
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I don't know, I always wanted to try a can of "BEER" brand beer, like they drank on the Rockford files. The label was fairly consistent with real labels, kind of a take-off midway between Budweiser and Miller. It wasn't plain white or generic, it looked like a product, just not one I was familiar with.
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I still think the best product placements were in Repo Man.
I've always wanted to drink a "drink", but I'm not sure about the "food", though I bet his mom was right and it would be better in a bowl...
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I still think the best product placements were in Repo Man.
I've always wanted to drink a "drink", but I'm not sure about the "food", though I bet his mom was right and it would be better in a bowl...
The blue-label generics in Repo Man were based on real packaging (available in the 80s from Ralph's grocery stores in So. California, at least). My dad used to drink blue-label beer like the ones on the bottom left in this picture:
http://thefoxisblack.com/blogimages//generic-beer-cans-mary-and-matt.jpg [thefoxisblack.com]
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The Wal-Mart in my town sells "Cola." No brand name. It's cheaper than (and tastes worse than) their store brand "Sam's Cola." I've bought it a couple times for parties where most of the people are going to be too high or drunk to notice that they're drinking $0.50 2 liters of caffeinated sugar water with brown food coloring.
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We know it's a bottle of Johnson and Johnson washing up liquid. Why bother? Sigh.
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One of my favorites was in the U.S. version of "The Office" when Andy is trying to remember the end of a candy bar jingle.
He spends the entire episode unable to remember how it actually goes. And of course nearly every viewer knows the jingle by heart, so every time he sings it, they are remembering the product name for him in their head.
Pretty impressive to do that many product placements in a single episode without ever showing o
Green-screen Brand Soda (Score:2)
Lets you sell the product placement after you're done filming!
And I don't think I've ever heard anyone order a "Pepsi" in person. I've seen it on film a couple of times - Marty McFly trying to order a "Pepsi Free", and somebody telling Chase and Ackroyd "Why don't you boys have yourself a Pepsi" in Spies Like Us.
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The reason you don't hear Pepsi very often is because The Coca-Cola company invests a lot of advertising dollars in movie and TV production.
I find the opposite to be true... (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, don't you find it more entertaining when the writers come up with parodies of actual products, or create brands that only exist in their world? Usually they are comical, satirical, or just creative. I find that more interesting that repeats of the crap that is offensively blasted at you all day. I have a negative feeling associated with seeing real-world brands in TV shows for that reason, and find it very refreshing when I don't notice real-world brands out of the corner of my eye every time I am watching a show or movie. They're distracting no matter how much they try to make them blend in with the scene.
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Product placement isn't bad when it works with the story. For example, a horror movie isn't ruined because at a party they have a box of Pizza Hut pizza and are playing on a PS3.
Done right, that actually adds to the story... It's easier to relate to characters eating Pizza Hut (or Dominos, or some other national chain) because we've seen the stores, we've probably eaten the food, we recognize the packaging, and we can relate to the entire situation of having a party and ordering pizza delivery.
It doesn't work so well if you go out of your way to make something generic, and avoid branding. The pizza example isn't such a good one since there are plenty of local pizza shops with rat
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Agreed, I also hate when it's too obvious and detracts from the flow.
The first example that springs to mind was in Transformers (1st one) when the junior analyst chick at the CIA (or NSA or whatever) copies "the unknown encrypted signal" onto a Panasonic SD card... the close up shot of her hand pulling the card out by holding it awkwardly in order not to hide the logo and the 1 second pause so that we can read it, really didn't fit in the flow of the scene.
Another example of blatant product placement is in
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Not only was Bones talking about her Prius, but the whole scene seems to be created around that product placement. There were several episodes in a row that did this so even if you missed the first time, it became painfully obvious the next few times.
It seems Toyota requires the actors to talk about the car for some amount of time in their product placement, the same thing happens in Warehouse 13 where a main character says something like "I see you have the latest Prius" and starts naming off all the fea
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On the other hand, bad product placement can ruin character development, for example, showing what is supposed to be a poor family having a top-of-the line Mac in their kitchen.
Yep. That one ruined the Grapes of Wrath for me.
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On the other hand, bad product placement can ruin character development, for example, showing what is supposed to be a poor family having a top-of-the line Mac in their kitchen.
I'm guessing you're either not from the south, visited the south, or been through poor neighborhoods. I can't tell you how many times I've been through poor neighborhoods, which I consider to be little more than a collection of shanties, whereby a one or two year old Cadillac is parked out front.
The fact is, a lot of people are poor specifically because they spend their money so incredibly dumbly. No, that's not all poor and likely far from a majority, but that's reality. Factually, a lot of poor people are
What is the border of the creative dept? (Score:2)
... any placement has to be done at the creative stage
Does this mean Citizen Kane and the sled manufacturer are OK or not OK?
ET and his Texas Instruments Speak and Spell are OK or not OK?
Jurassic Park and the kid who knows unix because it has a 3-d file browser are OK or not OK?
Scene from Jurassic Park (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What is the border of the creative dept? (Score:5, Funny)
Back To The Future, with product placements for DeLorean and Mr. Fusion?
Prairie Home Companion, sponsored by Powdermilk Biscuits and the American Duct Tape Council?
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Well, sure - and Bertha's Kitty Boutique and The Fearmonger's Shop haven't been getting much love from Garrison these last few years either. But here in Northern California I can get away with using 18-pound heater cats instead of 25s. (And I also left out the "enhanced underwriting" for Land's End and whichever bookstore chain it was.)
origin of "soap opera" (Score:4, Informative)
According to wikipedia: "The name soap opera stems from the original dramatic serials broadcast on radio that had soap manufacturers ... as sponsors and producers." So it has nothing to do with product placement and predates TV.
This is why, in a somewhat related matter... (Score:3)
Paul Newman put a clause in his will that prohibits any "virtual performance or reanimation of any performance by me by the use of any technique, technology or medium now in existence or which may be known or created in the future anywhere in the universe."
So no Paul Newman dancing with a vacuum cleaner a la Fred Astaire.
Which is a good thing.
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That is all well and good, but his copyright will expire and it will enter the public domain at which point his desires about restricting this will become unenforceable.
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Baring Charles Chaplin and Marilyn Monroe, I guarantee you young people today do not know any of the actors of early(ish) years of movies.
I doubt anyone in 70 odd years will know who Paul Newmann was, baring a few boffs.
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I doubt anyone in 70 odd years will know who Paul Newmann was, baring a few boffs.
That might have been a rather poor choice [wikipedia.org] when it comes to illustrating the particular point you were trying to make.
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Baring Marilyn Monroe was fine, but Charlie Chaplin? Paul Newman impressed a few ladies when he was young, but Charlie just wasn't the looker.
It is fine so long as it is part of the background (Score:2)
Product placement happens in a lot of movies and you generally don't notice it. It just means instead of a product being generic or having the label hidden, it'll have a brand on it. Not only is it not offensive, but it can make things seem more real. An example of it being well done is Dell product placement in V for Vendetta. All that they did was not cover the logos on the computers and monitors. They are actual Dell systems used, mostly by the police, and you can see that in the background. They don't c
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No I noticed the Dell in V for Vendetta because I look for stuff like that. product placement interests me.
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Having single brands is only noticeable if those brands are out of place. For instance, if they showed a corporate office where everyone was using a Lenovo Thinkpad, I would not think that odd at all - I see that every day at work. On the other hand, if the same scene showed everyone with an iPad, that would be extremely jarring.
Uh, no... (Score:3)
Soap operas were not called that because of clumsy product placement. Yes, they were sponsored by soap companies and the content of the shows chased the housewife demographic who purchased the same. However most of them took their dramatic content far too seriously to sully themselves with the kind of idiotic product placement you describe. There were actually producers who had taste back then - just like there are those who have taste today - who would have fought to keep this kind of thing from happening.
And, in fact, if you actually look at these shows, I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to find an example of what you described. An announcer/narrator transitioning from the drama to the ad with "Now a word from our sponsors..."? Yes. A cast member in the heat of a pot-boiling dramatic scene saying something like "I wish I could wash these troubles away with the lemony-fresh scent of Palmolive Soap!" while holding up a bottle? Not so much.
You denigrate what, at the time, was as serious and professional an artistic undertaking as what goes on in dramatic TV now.
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You denigrate what, at the time, was as serious and professional an artistic undertaking as what goes on in dramatic TV now.
Rather than making soap operas look good, that statement reflects poorly on modern television.
Inevitable (Score:3, Interesting)
Now that more and more of us are finding ways to cut out the commercials, they have to be hidden in the content.
As others have said, I don't mind if they are done "right" (and there is a fine line of course). My main concern is that this will go the same way cable TV did.
First, they rationalize that they need this because there are fewer and fewer eyeballs hitting the commercials.
Next, they will find a way to enforce the 10 minutes of commercials per 1/2 hour of programming.
???
Finally, PROFIT!
We'll finally achieve life as depicted in the Demolition Man (was that parody or just really good product placement?)
what's the problem? (Score:2)
tech is just adding power to existing creative tools. auteurs can still produce ad-free art if they wish, and take the risk inherent in getting people to pay for it. more commercial products can customize the product for the watcher, and thus offer content at lower prices.
consumers, for their part, can be as passive as they want, or drive development of software that preprocesses content to remove what they object to (turn all those coke cans to pepsi or guiness).
where's the problem? yes, it means that w
Entertainment Weekly (Score:4, Interesting)
Entertainment Weekly had an article about a month ago concerning this practice in syndicated episodes of television shows.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/07/07/how-i-met-your-mother-reruns-bad-teacher-zookeeper/ [ew.com]
From the article: If you’ve watched syndicated reruns of sitcom How I Met Your Mother lately, you might have been startled to see advertisements for very current movies such as Bad Teacher and Zookeeper in episodes that originally aired as early as 2006, long before those flicks were made. The photos here, for instance, are from the second-season episode titled “Swarley,” which originally aired Nov. 6, 2006 — more than four years before Bad Teacher hit theaters. So what exactly is going with this phenomenon? EW investigated, and here’s the scoop.
Turns out that 20th Television — the studio distributor behind Mother — has been selling promotional spots in syndicated episodes to wring even more money out of the sitcom’s already rich syndication deals. Specifically, the feat is accomplished by a partnership with a company, SeamBI, which stands for Seamless Brand Integration and is responsible for digitally altering old episodes with new products and brands.
The company’s CEO Roy Baharav calls SeamBI an “advertising technology innovator” and says that what they do — in essence, monetizing aging television shows by adding new brands and product placement into old episodes — is the future. “What we do is we insert, very efficiently, brands into content in a natural way and in a way that is valuable to advertisers,” Baharav says. “So we find the balance between not compromising the integrity of the content and, on the other end, bring a lot of value to the advertiser.”
Apple = #1 product placement (Score:2)
When I think of product placement on television I think of Apple. They are the kings of product placement in movies and television
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You notice Apple's placements because they are so unbelievable that their inclusion is every bit as annoying as an actual interruption for a commercial. Someone drinking a can of Coke? OK, that happens in real life, easily believable. A police station where every desk has a Mac on it? That interrupts the story enough to make you say wtf.
David Lynch on product placement (Score:2)
("Sobriquet"? Really?)
I like David Lynch's take on product placement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wh_mc8hRE [youtube.com]
In the future (Score:3)
So horrible in movies (Score:2)
I don't mind when it's just a part of the set, but the shameless ads are what annoy me. I was watching Grown Ups (yes, I know, I know) and there's a shameless scene of logos-up Donut vendor cups being used as kids phones. Just add commercial breaks if you're going to go full-on whore.
Bad summary is bad. (Score:2)
>When you think of product placement on television you tend to think of cumbersome 1950s examples where the actor would cheesily turn to camera and hold up, say, a bar of soap
No I don't. I think of a scene with the actors driving somewhere, and one says to the other "hey, this is that new CANYONERO with that great NAVISYNCSTAR system, isn't it?" And the dialog just gets worse from there, while the camera lingers lovingly on the vehicles console for a creepily long time.
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The problem with existing [...] product placement (Score:2)
is that it exists and you are not spanked to death with a paddle for it.
This is brought to you by "fuck you, I already paid for watching that flick with money and/or by watching the clearly marked and separate advertising."
Also, it does not matter if they hold up soap and grin, all people use Dell/Apple/Nokia/younameit, everyone one two and a half men drinks Radeberger or if companies in Transformers only accept one kind of CC. I like to think I notice that crap and hope others do, as well.
If anything, it l
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I don't understand banning the practice.
This is Europe we're talking about. Whenever people don't like something they have to pass a law against it, no matter how irrelevant or stupid.
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Yeah, I watched American TV once.
I will take my sans advertising, licence fee funded, Ofcom regulated, BBC programs every single time.
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I will take my sans advertising, licence fee funded, Ofcom regulated, BBC programs every single time.
Weird. Every time I watch a BBC show these days -- which isn't often since I left the UK -- it just seems like laughable politically correct pap.
All the best TV shows I've seen in recent years were American. Even the good ones the BBC was involved with (e.g. Band of Brothers) were primarily American funded.
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I think it's a plan. You display your finest jewels against dark, innocuous material to highlight the contrast.
I think BBC is trying to enhance the glittering wonder of its true gems by playing them off against drek.
The main issue with this theory is I'm having trouble discerning which programming they intended to be gems, but I'm sure it'll come to me eventually.
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Weird. Every time I watch a BBC show these days -- which isn't often since I left the UK -- it just seems like laughable politically correct pap.
You obviously haven't seen Top Gear then.
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The BBC version of Coupling made me love BBC-TV.
Re:Why bother legislating it? (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't much like the American definition of freedom.
Freedom is for individual people. Not for corporations.
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Europe has far more strict rules in a lot of advertising-related areas than the US. For instance there is no advertising of prescription medicine allowed in the UK.
This is because your doctor doesn't need to constantly be asked for the next version of valium or wellbutrin or whatever the hell it is.
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And all the better for it.
When adverting no-win-no-fee lawsuits was deregulated, the parasites surged forth from every hole, almost single handedly causing the "heath and safety gone mad" culture we currently suffer.
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This is because your doctor doesn't need to constantly be asked for the next version of valium or wellbutrin or whatever the hell it is.
No, it's because the NHS don't want people discovering there are drugs which could treat their condition, because they'd rather spend the money on managers' salaries.
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Before Reagan, not in the US, either. Today, the advertising costs of prescription exceed their manufacturing costs.
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Did it not occur to you that the reason your television is so low-brow is that it has become a delivery method for advertising?
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digitize any brand in later for who ever pays the most .
George Lucas, is that you?
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I've seen piles of steaming dog feces that were better than Transformers 2. Michael Bay needs to have his cameras taken away. The man is the most incompetent director in the history of Hollywood. Even Ed Wood made more watchable films.
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I've seen a lot of paint dry and it was all better than Transformers 2.
I've dry-retched with my head in a toilet bowl and that was better than Transformers, too.
To paraphrase, Transformers isn't even bad.
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Did you only read the headline? You don't even have to read the article, just the summary at the top of the page. This is about Europe where restrictions have been in place are being relaxed. Transformers was produced in the USA where there has never been any kind of restriction.
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Did you only read the headline? You don't even have to read the article, just the summary at the top of the page. This is about Europe where restrictions have been in place are being relaxed. Transformers was produced in the USA where there has never been any kind of restriction.
It will be used in the US.
Someone making very similar tech showed this off at my university in 2005. He had a product-free drama from the 1990s, which he then showed with 1990s products added. He then showed the same scene again, but with 2005 products, and again with the German version of the products (i.e. labels translated).
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SO... movies should be written with characters that never drink soda, never go to a Starbucks, never eat anything other than what they harvested out of the back yard. They don't drive cars made by real corporations, ride buses that actually exist, nor wear clothes that look like anything we, real people, wear. And they don't live in actual cities or town, indeed, they don't even live in actual nations.
Product placements are inevitable. The why is to further the story line, to derive revenue, or both. Oh
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Exactly!
Look, I don't care for your brand of fast food. A hamburger is a hamburger, and a car is just a car
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And what if what they drive IS the story? Or what they eat, or drink, or wear?
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Then most of the time, it's an advertisement.
I don't know about you, but I don't define what I am by a brand. I like cranberry juice, to put an example; the brand is unimportant unless it happens to taste like crap which hasn't happened to me yet. I like coffee and ocassionally eat fast food, but just go to the nearest establishment. In fact I'd say that somebody who genuinely loves coffee wouldn't have "brand loyalty" -- they'd be trying to get every possible kind of it, prepared in every possible way.
I'd
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