Your State University Doesn't Want You 551
theodp writes "According to a new survey of college admissions directors by Inside Higher Ed, the admissions strategy judged most important is the recruitment of more out-of-state and international students, who can pay significantly more at public institutions. Ten percent of those surveyed also reported admitting full-pay students with lower grades and test scores than other admitted applicants, and a majority of schools either use or plan to use controversial commission-paid agents to recruit foreign students (commission-based recruitment is barred in the U.S.). 'This isn't about globalization or increased educational diversity,' asserts USC's Jerome A. Lucido. 'They need the money.' So, should employees of a public university where the President's annual compensation exceeds $1 million receive a full state-funded pension for educating 16,000+ out-of-state students?"
I don't think my state university wants ANYONE (Score:5, Informative)
Considering how much tuition has increased at my local state schools over the last decade or so, I'm not sure they want *anyone*. I really feel sorry for kids today. It wasn't that long ago that I went to college. And tuition has almost tripled at my old school since then (while incomes have barely budged). If I had to do it over again today, there is no way I would have been able to afford it without crippling student loan debt. Sadly this rise has happened in a time when it has become almost essential to get a college degree if you want any kind of decent job.
There was an excellent article [nytimes.com] on this a couple of years ago in the NY Times.
Costs of education? (Score:5, Interesting)
The cost of education really has sky-rocketed. Perhaps a study or two needs to be done on the real cost of education, because to hear tell, the educators aren't getting big raises, and this even occurs at schools with no need for capital expansion. So where is all this additional money going?
Perhaps state funded schools should need to justify every increase in their tuition, and certainly business projects, such as stadiums and sports teams, should be excised out of the report (ie, they need to be self-funding)
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It often IS Liberal Brainwashing. I had a professor that would stop teaching to non-sequitur into other shit. Statistics, wine consumption per country, what does this show ... shows correlation between consumption of wine and reduced heart disease. WRONG BITCH: ALCOHOL, 'CAUSE I SAID SO. We argued he was wrong...
Yeah, bad teacher. Bad teacher continues, starts talking about marriage ... and goes into a tirade about gay marriage, and how it's wrong, starts talking about sex with animals. One day he s
Re:Costs of education? (Score:5, Insightful)
I saw plenty of professors who wore their politics on their sleeves.
The difference was (in general), a liberal professor is willing to accept that you have a different viewpoint. They are willing to DEBATE you on it and give you equal time. They are willing to concede that you have good points and acknowledge them, they are willing to moderate their own positions and take your points on board when you bring up something they hadn't previously considered or that is argued well. I turned in several papers that argued completely contrary to the views I knew the professor held, and STILL got high grades because I argued my points well.
The "conservative" professors, meanwhile, were generally hidebound dogmatic fools who were only interested in "showing up" their colleagues, indoctrinating minds into seig-heil follower mentality, and if you didn't just spew back the hate and bile they passed out in classroom, you wouldn't get a passing grade. I watched three of these assholes tear into some of my classmates after they "found out" that the classmates were officers in the university Gay-Straight Student Alliance.
So... in all due respect, FUCK them. I've seen the true colors of the "Republicans." No thank you.
Re:Costs of education? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not that education draws more liberals so much that education turns off conservatives—not in principle, but in practice. As far as I can tell, the conservative movement in the U.S. (in the bastardized incarnation that is the Republican party) largely consists of two groups of people: people who are fiscally conservative, and people who are socially conservative.
Socially conservative people have two choices: attend a socially conservative school (mostly religious schools) or attend a public school.
If they attend a public school, they tend to become less socially conservative. The very nature of a melting pot institution of higher learning inherently increases tolerance because it exposes you to a wide range of cultures and perspectives. Being in an environment where you encounter people who are different from you makes it harder to dehumanize people who disagree with you. This has nothing to do with the teachers or the institution, and everything to do with the fact that it is a microcosm of the world rather than a homogeneous group.
If they attend a homogeneous private school, their conservative ideologies may be reinforced (depending on the university), in which case they will continue to see public education as a hotbed of liberalism, and if they decide to become teachers, they will generally choose to teach at similarly homogeneous schools.
Thus, socially conservative people tend to either learn tolerance or segregate themselves, which is why you rarely see social conservatives teaching in public higher education.
The other big group in the Republican party are the fiscally conservative. These people presumably have at least a passing understanding of economics (at least enough to know that you don't spend every penny you have coming in), which means that they won't put up with a job that pays them peanuts, working long hours to teach a bunch of kids who don't really want to be there. And the "new conservatives"—the folks who are fiscally conservative because they became rich and now want to keep that money rather than supporting the social programs that helped them get there—have an attitude that doesn't exactly match up with a desire to help others by teaching. You won't see any of those sorts of people in higher education, private or otherwise.
So it's really no surprise that there are few conservatives (of either type) in public education. Want more conservatives in public education? Tell your conservative bureaucrats to triple higher ed salaries so that they can compete with private enterprise and private homogeneous schools. Until you do that, conservative views cannot possibly balance out the liberal voices in higher ed, precisely because the liberals—those who care more about others than their own well being— are the only ones who will take the job... that and people who aren't smart enough to get a job doing something else... and some people who are both....
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Your ignorant rant annoys me. The fact that the state is almost 40% Hispanic [census.gov] doesn't play well with your caricature of the uneducated inbred racist Texan voter, and does little to bring any useful discussion of ideas to the table. What is needed is a government composed of individuals that can be trusted, as it's the well placed fear of government screw ups that feeds this anti-government sentiment.
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You don't need a college degree to get a job, although we as a society have done a very good job of convincing young people otherwise. I make a very decent salary for a 30-something with only partial-college education. what I have that makes me worthwhile to employers is half a decade of professional experience, and nearly two decades of non-professional experience, in my field of choice, as well as experience dealing with the type of people (Both clients and colleagues) that I am likely to interact with. I
Cost of education is increasing! (Score:2)
No, the cost of education is increasing.
If it were just the withdrawal of state funding (which is true) then state schools tuition would be rising faster then private schools. Which is not true.
Fun with numbers! Education inflation numbers, broken down by public, private, teacher pay, buildings, etc.
http://www.commonfund.org/CommonfundInstitute/HEPI/Pages/default.aspx [commonfund.org]
I think there are 3 reasons:
Productivity: Productive of professors have been rising slower than the average employee. The same professor teach
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To some degree, it was an extension of the housing bubble. Because loan rates were low, the schools could sell you on the fact that your future salary would offset your higher costs of attending. Federally subsidized loans allowed schools to increase tuition to pull a higher percentage of that loan money from the government, and now that it's drying up, education will probably go through the same shake down that housing has been going through.
I wonder if this is the case in Kansas as far as acceptance. We h
Re:Costs of education? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's amazing, you make it easy for people to get money to pay for some specific thing and the price of that thing skyrockets for no apparent reason.
It's not like this has happened with other things, say handing out home loans like candy causing house prices to shoot up.
And the additional money goes to the administators, after all they are the ones who are clearly doing all the work to increase the institution's revenue. And of course to those stadiums you mentioned, since that helps the administrators perform better at the dick measuring conferences.
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That's because it's easy to raise private funds for buildings, but it's much harder to raise private funds for faculty salary.
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Not necessarily. Many academic departments have professorships named after various benefactors. For example, the C. C. Garvin Professor of Geochemistry, the William E. Hassinger, Jr. Senior Faculty Fellow in Physics, and the J. Q. Pompous Blowhard, Jr., III Professor of Pontification. (I only made up one of these.)
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It's amazing, you make it easy for people to get money to pay for some specific thing and the price of that thing skyrockets for no apparent reason.
Also amazing: When you slash state funding by massive levels, the institutions now have to find revenue elsewhere. Can't imagine who they'd bilk for extra dollars...
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Obviously, but that clearly isn't the sole cause of increases in education costs which were occurring during the boom years and also at private institutions.
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Obviously, but that clearly isn't the sole cause of increases in education costs which were occurring during the boom years and also at private institutions.
+1. Ten years ago, my first year in a state funded university cost about $10k. State support was at about 20% of the school's operating budget. Today, it costs around $25k with state support at about 13%. So a drop in 7 percentage points in state funding equals a tuition increase of 2.5? Not only that, but the school has also increased total enrollment as well as the proportion of out of state and international students, which pay more than if you live in state.
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Most state athletic programs make the institution money. Football in particular is such a moneymaker, it can subsidize other less prominent sports.
This isn't true. There are only about 12 or 13 football programs (D1, BCS) that make enough money to fund other athletic programs or put money back into their school's general fund. The majority of college sports funding comes from alumni-funded endowments with the remainder made up by athletic tuition fees.
Re:Costs of education? (Score:5, Insightful)
Erm, while it seems like 'research-only professors wasting money' would be a good thing to pin the issue on, in actual fact, those sort of positions have been massively reduced over the past few decades.
You can argue they're a waste of money, but they're clearly not the cause of the current problem.
And it's worth pointing out that they usually aren't a waste on money, as they tend to operate off grants (Which the college does not pay) and the only expense they have is their own paycheck and lab space, and in return they tend to get all sorts of expensive equipment like centrifuges and refrigerators and lasers and whatnot...that the university gets to keep.
He's a guy making the equivalent of ten student's tuition. If he can bring in ten students via his name, and get them another five students-cost worth of equipment, he's earned his keep. The college doesn't actually pay for the research he's doing.
Re:I don't think my state university wants ANYONE (Score:5, Informative)
It is important to mention that throughout the US, tuition has gone up at least partially in a response to declining state funding. If states are not willing to fund their state schools, then the state schools have little option other than operating just like the private schools.
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That's a large part of it, another large part of it is that the folks running the schools are under a delusion that scholarships will cover the costs. Which isn't true. Most folks are saddled with large loans and those that aren't are typically progeny of rich parents.
Also, the estimates for what parents can afford to pay to cover the cost, is a large part of the problem. There's no law that requires parents to pay, and yet it gets factored into financial aid calculations. Sometimes it means that people who
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Bumper sticker:
"If you think college is expensive, try ignorance."
I agree that the cost has risen quite steeply. But I think a free-market person would argue that if the degree betters your chance of a higher income, then that shouldn't deter you. Of course, those people are probably done with the little debt they had when college was cheaper and are already rich. They don't realize what that debt is like, as you pointed out, crippling in some cases.
OTOH, the kids could try to be more reasonable about what
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Further, I don't know if a college degree is really necessary for a lot of "decent jobs". I know this being a tech site, folks are thinking more from the perspective of high tech industries requiring a lot technical training, but there are other jobs that pay well enough without a lot of school. UPS driver, plumber, firefighter. Having said that, the future of our economy seems to be heading in one of two directions jobs-wise: really technical, well-paying jobs that do require a good deal of school of which there don't seem to be a lot of, or a lot of menial, service jobs that don't pay as well. There'll still be plumbers and firefighters, but I picture big plumbing conglomerates that hire plumbers as contractors who will get crap pay compared to what they used to get when they were independent/proprietors.
See, this is the thing I've realized after leaving college. Most of the people you meet doing various jobs DO NOT need to have slogged through Shakespeare, the Napoleonic Wars, Partial Differential Equations, etc...
They only point in having a degree for a great many jobs is to prove that you can learn stuff. Now that everyone has a degree, you look like an idiot if you don't have one. So you have to spend a few years getting one, just to prove that you're OK. The system is completely crazy.
To compare, here
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Between tuition hikes at private schools and public universities, and the concerted push to dismantle public education in the U.S. ever since the 1980s...well, there was a reason the U.S. started the public school system in the first place and decided to educate everybody instead of leaving such an institution wholly to the market. I fear the rich will have to rediscover the situation they were in with a massive uneducated population before they stop this downward spiral.
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I really feel sorry for kids today. It wasn't that long ago that I went to college. And tuition has almost tripled at my old school since then (while incomes have barely budged).
I echo the feeling but in my case the fees have increased by an infinite multiple. From zero to £9,000 (US $14,000) per year. Really, I don't think that degree/non-degree salary differentials make it worth while in the UK.
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Sadly this rise has happened in a time when it has become almost essential to get a college degree if you want any kind of decent job.
Actually, this has been so detrimental to higher education that employers are beginning to rethink the value of a bachelor's degree. It is a simple matter of economics: people are going to college in order to get a "one decent job" coupon, and they will seek the least-effort path through college to receive that coupon. Slowly but surely managers are realizing that a college degree may not actually reflect the work ethic, education, or intelligence that people ascribe to it.
The new coupon for a decen
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Capitalism, Fuck Yeah!
This comment for the most customer unfocused industry in the country? The whole point was that the gaming the government funding, which is not capitalism. More pure capitalism would actually fix a lot of the problems state schools are having. Of course it would create a lot more... (University of Phoenix anyone?)
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This is only a perversion of capitalism if a) the out of state funding over-compensates for the in-state taxpayer funding the schools receive (which is becoming more of an issue as many have pointed out) and b) if the school actually admits out of state students with lower qualifications than in-state ones (it has yet to be proven, the only "evidence" is an anonymous survey). The fix for both of these issues is just a little bit more transparency; expose how much extra revenue is derived from out-of-state
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More pure capitalism would actually fix a lot of the problems state schools are having.
Like what? University of California (among others) is pretty capitalized these days, selling off bonds to finance new projects. Then, of course, they have to pay that back at interest. It can't be good for anyone; if they could get appropriate state funding instead then the drive for constant expansion wouldn't plague their plans for the future.
There's a PBS Frontline about it on Netflix.
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Well, the answer to "Why shouldn't they be?" is because they are supported by the state they reside in under the premise they will support the local populace first. Essentially they are getting the benefits of being a state school while shirking the inherent responsibilities that come with that.
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The problem being that less and less of the state funding is coming in. Hence the need to recruit higher (monetary) value students. Pulling random numbers out of my butt, lets pretend that it costs a given uni 40 million dollars a year to operate. Ten years ago, that university got 20 million a year from the state. With half it's funding coming from the state, only 20 million had to come from tuition, grants, or endowments. Now the state is only giving them 5 million. That means to maintain they must r
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Actually, percentage-wise your numbers are pretty much spot on. State funding now hovers around 10-15% in many state schools, and it used to be 50% or more (maybe not 10 years ago, but certainly 20-30 years ago).
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I'm not familiar enough with PSU to have much to comment on them. But around here the state schools have been told for the last decade to behave more like a private business. The consequence has largely been for the number of spaces available for residents to decrease and an increasing number of spaces to open up for those from out of state.
Ultimately, those that aren't interested in paying taxes are fucking us all over, at some point the lack of education in the US is going to hurt us. That doesn't necessa
Conflating facts (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a purposeful distortion to ask if rank-and-file *employees* should get a pension after a lifetime of service, simply because one single administrator (uni pres) has a huge paycheck. That's like asking if the front desk secretary should be allowed to have a cigarette break because the Goldman Sachs CEO is already out playing golf.
MOD Parent up, please Re:Conflating facts (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent is insightfully addressing the misleading question in the summary:
"should employees of a public university where the President's annual compensation exceeds $1 million receive a full state-funded pension for educating 16,000+ out-of-state students?"
This appears to be a deliberate attempt to undermine the idea of providing a pension system to state employees without providing any evidence that those employees haven't earned that pension.
This rhetorical attempt to represent the compensation of a university *president* as justification for reduce compensation for the majority of university employees is logically fallacious, and seems like an attack on those employees simply because they work for a state or a state education system..
I expect better. Yes, even from Slashdot.
As a university professor: (Score:5, Interesting)
Our funding in Wisconsin was slashed by our governor. Our pay has been slashed for the last 4 years. Enrollment is down, which means money for supplies is trickling down to zero. So when we go to China (a new program instituted this year) to import foreign students, we're doing it to stay solvent.
Who should be mad? I would say the taxpayers of the state, but they get what they pay for. Even though they have paid into the system their whole lives, they would rather save a few bucks in taxes each year than have access to cheap, amazing education in their state.
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This is what food stamps and Pell grants are for.
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This is what food stamps and Pell grants are for.
If a person may makes enough to afford food or college, but not both, they would not qualify for food stamps. Starving is not a choice. Food stamps are also under attack from republicans, such as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC) who is pushing cuts to the program.
As for Pell Grants, they help but don't pay for all expenses. They are also under attack from republicans, such as house budget chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) who is pushing cuts to the program.
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If you don't have enough money for food, you aren't going to pay taxes. You qualify for full tax exemption (my full time working mother-in-law is in this exact situation). So no, no one has to make that choice right now.
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"Enrollment is down"
What the hell is Wisconsin doing wrong? Every school I've looked at has growing enrollment. It's the natural thing in a recession: the opportunity cost of attending school far lower when you don't have a job to quit in the first place.
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Illinois (Score:2)
"i.e. they receive a good share of tax money from your local gov."
While here in Illinois our state government is DELINQUENT in paying its share to the University of Illinois system.
Re:Quit Blaming Capitalism (Score:5, Informative)
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Aren't the most reputable institutions in America generally NOT state institutions?
Also, whether or not to fund a university is something the politicians do. People have voted to have less education. Isn't that fair enough?
Re:Not in New Hampshire (Score:4)
It's like this everywhere in the US. The UC system receives so little money from the state that some parts of UC have considered leaving the state system alltogether:
http://www.mbamission.com/blog/2011/09/22/mba-news-ucla-anderson-wants-to-go-private/ [mbamission.com]
Old news (Score:2)
This was happening at the university I went to back when I was in it.
Someone has to pay for all those managers... (Score:5, Interesting)
"What happened, for instance, to swell the bureaucracy at the UC over the past two decades? There now are nearly as many senior managers (8,144) as tenured and tenure-track faculty (8,521). As recently as 1993, the ratio between these groups was much different - 2,429 to 6,846.
Put another way, 18 years ago the student-to-upper management ratio was 62-to-1. Now it's all the way down to 2-to-1. The ratio of students to regular faculty, meanwhile, has risen from 22-to-1 in 1993 to 26-to-1."
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/585302/201109191844/By-The-Way-We-Teach-A-Little-Too.htm [investors.com]
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Same thing has occured in my own local public school system. They have a ratio of .78 administrators per teacher and a staff of 18 lobbyists!
More recently they wanted to spend 135 million on a new administraton building to consolidate mulitple office spaces while students are being taught in 20 year old trailers. All this in the second wealthist county in the nation.
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"What happened, for instance, to swell the bureaucracy at the UC over the past two decades? There now are nearly as many senior managers (8,144) as tenured and tenure-track faculty (8,521). As recently as 1993, the ratio between these groups was much different - 2,429 to 6,846.
Put another way, 18 years ago the student-to-upper management ratio was 62-to-1. Now it's all the way down to 2-to-1. The ratio of students to regular faculty, meanwhile, has risen from 22-to-1 in 1993 to 26-to-1."
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/585302/201109191844/By-The-Way-We-Teach-A-Little-Too.htm [investors.com]
That seems strange - somehow even though the number of managers only went up by a factor of about 3 (from 2400 to 8100) the manager-student ratio when down by a factor of 31? (from 62-to-1 for 2-to-1 ?) Are there really half as many managers at UC as there are students? And yet there are more tenure-track faculty than managers by their numbers - shouldn't the teacher-student ratio be (if only marginally) larger than the manager-student ratio?
How does it work over there? (Score:3)
You'd have thought the lower tuition fees for in-state kids was due to a public purse of some sort, so that the institution doesn't get less for their own kids. It's crazy to set up an incentive to get out-of-state kids for a state school.
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In many states public universities are banned from charging tuition to in-state students. This is ostensibly because the state funds the teacher's salaries. But of course, they can still charge it for out of state students, so there is a huge incentive to recruit them in order to increase income. They prefer doing this to controlling costs.
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Higher Edumacation (Score:2)
I'm 50 years old, overweight and out of shape... (Score:2)
Is this a trick question? (Score:2)
I'm sure a lot of people are going to be cool with this.
Funny that a guy who can't do math... (Score:2)
...or read a table is complaining about higher education. Ohio State University doesn't have 16,000+ out of state students, it has 11,442 (according to the document the post links to). Foreign students are included in that number. There are 52,635 Ohioans, 11,442 non-Ohioans for a total enrollment of 64,077.
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Not really State University anymore (Score:2)
Across the country, state legislatures have been treating public higher education as a "splurge"; something that's nice to have but not really necessary. Welfare is a necessity, but public higher ed is not. Gotta love that logic.
Public funding has been a declining percentage of the universities' budgets for a long time. In a few years, they won't be "public" at all.
Most IT workers should go to tech / trade / appren (Score:3)
Most IT workers should go to tech / trade schools and apprenticeships.
And not forcing them to go 4 year (that trun out to be longer then 4 due to the high number of needed credits in the past you needed less)
Also how does high level theory vs doing more hands on work help you be a better help desk or desktop guy? What is use is all that high level math? Some math is ok but some it of it is better for high level design that is way past what most IT workers do.
Now for coding I can see lot's of math and theory (to a point) but going to far on theory is bad for coders.
Networking, support, and admin needs to be on it's own track from the coding side of work. And even on the Networking, support, and admin side that can also be broken out a few of there own tracks aka big scale network setups vs admin + a smaller network setup.
The filler classes are nice to a point but it has gone a little to far as the number of credits needed has gone up over the years. Now a better system is to cut them down and or make some IT classes just out side your main focus count as filler for the needed credits part.
Ideal way is to have a 2 year mixed class room / apprenticeship system and no internship B.S. It should be a real payed (at least mini wage) apprenticeship like how electricians and plumbers systems are setup.
Now keep the 4 year for the high level stuff (with a way to join midway if you did the 2 year mixed class room / apprenticeship in the past)
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Nobody's forcing you to go to college, or to study IT while you're there.
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Most IT workers should go to tech / trade schools and apprenticeships.
And not forcing them to go 4 year (that trun out to be longer then 4 due to the high number of needed credits in the past you needed less)
It's worse than that. They graduate after 4 or 5 years without the right skill set and can't get a job, so they then apply for a Masters program and get even more education that's not useful to their career plan.
Meritocracy in America (Score:3)
Investment in the future (Score:2)
I see it simple. The student invests his personal time into his future and the state should help him doing so. Other form of investing something in the future of the inhabitants of a state are also helped, like tax exemptions etc. Lets say 10000 Students from you state studying will in you universities for 3 years each roughly corresponds to a 1.5 billion dollar investment of their personal lifetime ($50000/year). If they will earn twice as much money the next 30 years, they will get in total a return on t
Immigration Quotas (Score:2)
Like any other state/national entity, states should apply max quotas of immigrants to who they admit from outside, who are all subsidized by the taxpayers in the state. There's both financial and educational (diversity, quality) benefits to admitting as many outsiders as the state can get, before the net effects exclude actual residents too from the net benefits.
BAN Int'l students without real financial aid (Score:2, Interesting)
Here in our university, in many departments, when they hire IT staff, they don't hire full time staff, instead they hire international grad students which is much cheaper ( about $1,600 a month , plus a tuition waiver, for 20 hours a week, and you get to call yourself a research assistant). These position especially attracts engineering, CS and business students from either India or China who otherwise cannot get a research/teaching assistantship from their home department because they sucks.
These people ge
some Pay for Only 4 Years of College. Guaranteed. (Score:2)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/education/15fifth.html?_r=2 [nytimes.com]
http://consumerist.com/2011/09/private-colleges-starting-to-offer-four-year-degree-guarantees.html [consumerist.com]
Some place have this now and it's due to stuff like.
adviser hadn't erroneously told some one that a particular class would fulfill the math requirement. Unfortunately, for some reason the same class winter quarter was a different class that didn't fulfill the requirement, even though the fall and spring classes with the same course number did.
Classes
Free Public Education for All (Score:2)
Every state should offer completely free public education through a post-highschool degree. If you graduated a public school in the state/county, the state/county should offer you a degree path at a state/county college. That is an investment in all the people in the state/county, since its during college that people typically travel to where they'll start careers, which mostly serve the other people in the local area. The more and better the local college grads, the better life gets in the area, offering m
Re:Capitalism - make your own (Score:5, Insightful)
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Start their own business if they think they can do better;
but what's the bets that if they did they would turn out like all the other people who did better and realise they don't need to pay "workers" any more than the "workers" are willing to work for...
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and the same middle classes slit their own throats supporting the same corporations that badly serve them, being unable to link choice with consequence or being unable to suffer today for a better tomorrow.
"help, the world doesn't suit me... it's... HARD"
It's always been hard... it's always been easier to whine about what someone else should do... but if you constrain what the other person does, he may find it to be no longer worth his while and stop doing it too...
You can start business without capital, bu
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I meant the "rich" person wouldn't fund you cos then they wouldn't be rich.
They get rich with their own work, ideas and effort in relation to use of their capital, and the ones who still have the riches learn to be careful how they use it or they lose it.
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That's not realistic. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together wastes their money on a college that isn't accredited. And with good reason. Accreditation is what establishes that the diploma is worth something. It doesn't establish that the person knows something or is knowledgeable about things, but it does establish that they were at least exposed to the education that they're claiming and that at some point they managed to pass the classes.
As for whining, it's really not whining. Around here trying to
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Right-wingers always assume people have the ability to gather savings when they are under-paid and/or under-employed
I did while I was in college. No student loans, only a $10/hr 30hr/week internship. I just didn't buy piles of CDs and worthless do-dads like other kids. You don't _need_ cable and 50" flatscreens.
If I could pay for school, books, food, apartment, etc and still save on $300/week back then, I'm sure someone with two part time minimum wage jobs could have too.
Now granted, I never saved enough to start a business, but I've never heard a right winger say that starting a business is easy peasy.
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Politicians are given large sums of money called "Campaign Donations" specifically so they will not do anything about that.
FTFY.
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Not really... the money spent abroad instead of locally only has ultimate value if it is spent back into the US. A Dollar has no other use in any other context.
Dollars spent abroad come back to pay for US exports and is thus good the the US economy and re-enters the local economy at that point.
One of the biggest recipients of dollars is China, who buy US bonds with them. Be glad they are not buying up all the US land with it!
You think they Chinese want to sit on piles of paper dollars? They spend them! In t
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But it's not capitalism.
Everybody who thinks the government will make things better (
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And yet there are private schools and colleges...
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yeah.. not quite what is says, is it... and the reason is not to benefit the students individually, but the nation as a whole.
What better way to encourage education that make it profitable so that more educational establishments spring up?
That means wider education AND wide employment of educators AND import spending from foreign students.
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That being said I believe their should be a level of education for all citizens. But honestly generic BA's are worth about as much as the paper they are printed on. College is almost useless in terms of actual education unless you're pursuing a specialized profession (medicine, law, engineering, etc.). If you cant learn the garbage you get in most programs before you leave high school, then college is little more than a massive tax on stupid.
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Of-course tuition fees and medical insurance premiums and medical costs are all growing, but this has nothing to do with what people are making, this has everything to do with what people can get in loans.
It's exactly the same principle that applies to the housing bubble - could people actually afford to buy houses that are half a million or maybe a million dollars? Majority of people can't really afford these, but they were given that opportunity by the system that gave them the loans. It's all about gover
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You're just a Republican thief. Public union pensions, like any pensions, are paid for by the workers. They put off collecting a significant part of their pay for their work while they're working, in exchange for getting it back with some interest later when they can't work anymore. They loan the money to the government, or to their private employer.
Most Americans collect Social Security to base funding their retirements, the safest way to finance it. But you Republican thieves are working to steal that, t
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See what happens if you can't afford to go to university?!? Won't someone think of the children etc.