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Canada's Internet Among Best, Report Says 186

Posted by Soulskill
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silentbrad writes "Canadians enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world, says a report released Thursday. The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by Montreal-based consulting firm Lemay Yates Associates Inc. on behalf of Rogers Communications Inc., the country's largest broadband service provider. It disputes the OECD's own report, published in July, that ranked Canada's high-speed Internet offerings significantly below those of other countries. The report comes days after the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission revealed a sharp jump in the number of complaints it has received regarding Internet traffic-management practices, or 'throttling' in recent months." And it's about to get a little better — reader ForgedArtificer points out that Rogers has promised to end all throttling over their network by the end of the year.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:02PM (#38921777)

    The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by Montreal-based consulting firm Lemay Yates Associates Inc. on behalf of Rogers Communications Inc.

    I think that alone says how big a grain of salt to take this report with.

    • by Erioll (229536) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:08PM (#38921847)

      Exactly. The international report, we're doing not so hot. The one funded by one of the largest communications companies in the country who has an interest in the status quo: we're awesome!

      Gee, you think there might be some bias?

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Obfuscant (592200)

        Gee, you think there might be some bias?

        In both reports, sure. You aren't accepting the "international report" at face value either, are you?

        • by crutchy (1949900) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:39PM (#38922229)
          merely comparatively speaking, i would trust a report ranking canadian internet performance from the OECD on face value more so than i would trust a similar report funded by a canadian telco on face value.

          the factual accuracy (or lack thereof) of either is irrelevant in making such a decision (in this case bias trumps).
          • by rtb61 (674572)

            How about some whishy washy quotes for you "ranking often in the top ten of international countries". So what exactly is their interpretation of often. "International Country" now WTF is that meant to mean 'er', countries that are more than one country versus many domestic countries or just crappy 'fluffy' wording.

            "Canada's broadband Internet metrics are often in the top quartile among these countries" they sure like that word often. Now who are 'these' countries really. Not to forget in one paragraph Ca

    • by clarkn0va (807617) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (teg.tpa)> on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:15PM (#38921927) Homepage
      http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png [imgur.com] The math there is a little old, and SSD prices have come down some.
    • The thing that leaped out at me was "Canadians enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world" and "Rogers has promised to end all throttling over their network by the end of the year." So did they test it new on day one, or at the end of the month on day 28...
      • Rogers is going to stop throttling because they've lowered all their monthly caps to ridiculously low levels. To invoke Godwin: "The Third Reich has stopped killing Jews! We ran out!"
  • Not even close (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:03PM (#38921779)

    I live in Canada and we have unusually slow and expensive Internet connections compared to other developed countries, especially places in Europe and the more liberal parts of east Asia. A lot of that is due to the remoteness of much of Canada. In the cities it's not so bad, but step outside the city limits and the speed drops off in a hurry. Many places in rural Canada don't have high-speed yet, at least not without a a very expensive satellite connection.
    The highest speed connection I can find in my corner of the country is about 1/200th the speed of my friend's standard connection in Korea. And close to the same price.

    • Re:Not even close (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BitterOak (537666) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:21PM (#38921997)

      A lot of that is due to the remoteness of much of Canada. In the cities it's not so bad, but step outside the city limits and the speed drops off in a hurry. Many places in rural Canada don't have high-speed yet, at least not without a a very expensive satellite connection.

      I can second that. I have a friend who lives on a small farm just outside of the city (and I mean just outside), and he uses dialup. I'm not kidding. No cable. No DSL. His only "high speed" option would be satellite, which he can't really afford, and isn't that great anyway. The sad part is, his job is in IT. He also has three school age children. I'm not talking about remote here, either, I'm talking about a farm just outside city limits.

      • Re:Not even close (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Mashiki (184564) <mashiki@NOsPam.gmail.com> on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:09PM (#38922539) Homepage

        I can confirm both of these posters. There are parts inside of my city where you can't get DSL or Cable still, because there isn't the infrastructure. This is a city of 70k people. What's annoying as hell? The "northern broadband initiative" which originally was the rural broadband initiative. Where they were supposed to be getting broadband to places just outside of cities, and all that. Of course now it's all dry, and rogers, bell, and other companies just took the money and ran like hell.

        Canada is damned terrible for broadband.

        • by PKFC (580410)

          I live in Calgary and there is a business park that is Telus only - no Shaw. They won't run the lines out unless it is at cost to the business. Considering the normal situation is free install for residential, the infrastructure is obviously in place for that, but it would cost them thousands of dollars to have them lay cables for let's say a block away. The word from the complex owner about internet is "too bad" and no other businesses wanted to split the cost across all of them for something better than T

          • by Mashiki (184564)

            My sister and two friends from college work for corrections canada. Both live up in the asshole of no-where aka the grande prarie and grand cache areas. They also have telus in both places, who've let the copper decay so badly that at best people can get 1.1/100 service. I know exactly what you're talking about, but it doesn't help that the new provincial government there is anti-business either.

        • Weird thing is I encounter a lot of places in small town in BC where there is cable internet but no DSL, so customers of the eastern-canada phone company's network division have dialup, satellite (which goes down almost every time it rains*) or very expensive T1. The local small businesses just use cable (often small providers, fast & uncapped).

          *The west coast of Vancouver Island is called the rain forest for a reason.

      • by mini me (132455)

        I'm not talking about remote here, either, I'm talking about a farm just outside city limits.

        That's rather shocking. Here in Ontario, we have had DSL on the farm, hours away from any city, for well over a decade and the telco is working on rolling out fibre to the farms now. The government also paid for rollout of microwave service for those unfortunate enough to have Bell copper. Also, the mobile carriers have HSPA+ rolled out here too. I spent some time on a remote farm in Saskatchewan this past summer a

        • by Mashiki (184564)

          I have two family members that own farms on Foldens Line, and Karn Rd. near Ingersoll, Ontario. Neither of them have DSL or cable. Both of them are near cities with relative populations of ~15k(ingersoll) and ~36k(woodstock) respectively. The best they can get is very poor quality wifi,satellite, or plain old dial up.

          • by rikkards (98006)

            Last place I lived which was near the ikea in Ottawa, the fastest DSL speed I could get from Bell was 1M and this was 3 years ago. What the hell? I had to stick with Rogers (who was giving me 15M at that time.

          • by mini me (132455)

            Sounds like the secret is to get far away from the city, I guess. The farmers nearly 100 years ago co-oped the installation of the copper. That's been our saving grace as Bell has no intention of every doing anything with their lines. It is interesting that some of those communities haven't opted to do the same for internet access though.

        • > Here in Ontario, we have had DSL on the farm, hours away from any city

          You're lucky. My childhood home is just outside Bradford - look it up - and has only dialup to this day. The lines were so old that even with the latest modems you get about 25 kb.

          • by Mashiki (184564)

            I know where that is. It's kinda like brownsville, just out of reach of a city(tillsonburg), with a major pbx exchange inside the city limit. But you can't get anything but dialup.

    • Re:Not even close (Score:5, Informative)

      by ILongForDarkness (1134931) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:30PM (#38922119)

      The beauty is though in Canada most of the population is in big cities. About half of our population lives in the top 10 cities. Heck nearly a third of the country lives in the bottom half of Ontario. So comparing the "average" canadian we might look pretty good but mainly because we for the most part live in large cities. For the 30% or so not in a big city life can suck, 25Mbps on a LTE dongle for $91 for a 9GB monthly cap assuming you can get a signal in the hicks.

      • The beauty is though in Canada most of the population is in big cities. About half of our population lives in the top 10 cities. Heck nearly a third of the country lives in the bottom half of Ontario.

        The bottom half of Ontario, to clarify, is not a city--there are just a few cities there. It is mostly rural--small towns, family farms, or commuter rural. (By commuter rural, I mean not really suburban, but nevertheless commuter). But quite a few of them have DSL.

        • Two statements not one. Half of population in 10 cities scattered across. Second statement 1/3 in bottom half (Ottawa and south).

    • Re:Not even close (Score:5, Insightful)

      by realityimpaired (1668397) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:32PM (#38922149)

      Depends on who you're comparing it against. I pay $42/mo for 12meg DSL with a 300GB cap, and unmetered usage between 2am and 8am. Compared to the US, that's *really* cheap. Compared to South Korea? You've gotta be kidding me.

      That being said, it does depend on where you are. The FTTH service that Aliant sells on the east coast is *way* cheaper than DSL services in Ontario/Quebec. Still, I do have to ask what developed countries the "study" looked at, because anecdotally I know that many developed countries in Europe put Canada to shame.

    • Re:Not even close (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:19PM (#38922657)

      As a Canadian now living in Europe let me say Canada's internet is slower, more expensive and more restrictive than anything I've seen here. Most Canadians know this too, so at least this report will serve as a textbook example of buying results and why you should never trust a study without first looking at who paid for it.

      • by heypete (60671)

        As an American living in Europe (Switzerland), I concur. I pay about CHF 74 ($80.75 USD, $80.65 CAD) per month for 25Mbps cable internet, landline-phone-over-cable, and a pretty comprehensive cable TV (tons of European channels, lots of English-language stuff including ESPN America [I'm a hockey fan, my wife's an American Football fan], and about 150 radio-over-cable stations). There's no caps or throttling on the internet usage.

        We were paying about about the same price in Phoenix, Arizona for 12Mbs cable i

  • Best Internet? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:04PM (#38921807)

    Best Internet?? Ohh that must be why my parents are forced to pay $59 a month for 512kbps as their only non-dialup option! $99 for 1mbit. Also a download usage cap of 24MB/hr... Don't believe me? netkaster.ca/packages.htm

  • 1st... (Score:5, Funny)

    by fire113 (1905208) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:05PM (#38921809)
    Would have had 1st post, but Rogers is throttling me...
  • Our internet sucks (Score:5, Informative)

    by Deliveranc3 (629997) <deliverance@ l e v e l 4 . org> on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:05PM (#38921815) Journal
    The big two (Bell and Rogers) just successfully lobbied to FORCE OUR OTHER COMPANIES to stop offering unlimited home internet.

    Prices just went up from $24.95 a month for reasonable service (had problems with the Acanac $19.95 sorry) to $29 and that's only available paid in advance for a year (Still WAY WAY better the 3 year contracts they were handing out 5 years ago, but still...)

    So our internet is now more expensive by 1/6 not sure how much that factors in but you can get a T1 anywhere so it must play a role.

    Also they're rolling out wireless net, 802.11i/s equivalent... which increases penetration but hurts reliability and latency... which means no gaming + slow page refreshes + fewer home servers.

    So depending on when the study was conducted they could be way off... Canadians generally are reasonably well off, educated and meticulous (fallout from the "Friendly Polite" thing) so we took to computing pretty well... doesn't mean the companies providing it are worth a damn.

    I still remember receiving a file from a girlfriend living in Korea. Holy tube inferiority batman! She saturated my downlink then wrote me asking if something was broken :(
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      "Finally, the perfect thread to bring up the girlfriend anecdote!"
      -You

    • by JMJimmy (2036122)

      While this report is complete crap, Canada's internet blows chunks for the most part, Bhell and Robbers did not succeed - Teksavvy is still unlimited but prices did go up for it.

      The sad thing is that a reasonable connection now costs $40 at minimum. There's simply no possibility for the $10 connections found in other countries.

    • by DeathFromSomewhere (940915) on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:30PM (#38922735)

      The big two (Bell and Rogers) just successfully lobbied to FORCE OUR OTHER COMPANIES to stop offering unlimited home internet.

      No they didn't. We won that battle.

      • by Grieviant (1598761) * on Saturday February 04, 2012 @12:38AM (#38924337)
        No, we didn't win that battle. While we were celebrating the victory against metered billing, the CRTC was busy mandating that bulk leasing of existing lines (from Rogers and Bell to smaller competitors such as Teksavvy) would see a price increase. Rogers and Bell managed managed to extort us further by aiming absurdly high.
  • by bonch (38532) * on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:07PM (#38921833)

    That conclusion differs vastly from the OECD report, which ranks Canada as 26th, or seventh most-expensive among its membership. The disparity comes from different methodologies employed by the two reports.

    Hey, kids, create whichever study results you want simply by changing your methodologies!

  • I call BS... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:10PM (#38921865)

    As a Canadian living in California.

    Cable here:
    Comcast: I pull a lot of data at like 2MB/s consistently fast
    Rogers: I pull like 1-1.2 MB/s & within like 10 days, I get a warning that I'm almost done with my cap.

    Comcast: 49.95/mo
    Rogers: 39.95 + overage charges which cap out at $20 extra (the overage charges are insane - basically guaranteed to get to $20).

    Bell is an even bigger joke. I think I'm going to trust the OECD results than the results of a firm hired by Rogers.

    • Re:I call BS... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Yaztromo (655250) <`yaztromo' `at' `mac.com'> on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:45PM (#38922889) Homepage Journal

      As a Canadian living in California.

      Cable here: Comcast: I pull a lot of data at like 2MB/s consistently fast Rogers: I pull like 1-1.2 MB/s & within like 10 days, I get a warning that I'm almost done with my cap.

      Comcast: 49.95/mo Rogers: 39.95 + overage charges which cap out at $20 extra (the overage charges are insane - basically guaranteed to get to $20).

      Bell is an even bigger joke. I think I'm going to trust the OECD results than the results of a firm hired by Rogers.

      Things are pretty bad in Ontario, and Bell and Rogers are completely to blame. But get outside Ontario, and things are significantly better in many places.

      Here in Victoria, BC, I'm running 100/30Mb through Shaw for fairly reasonable rates (on its own it's about $85/mo, but as we're on a bundle with digital HDTV service we pay less than that -- unfortunately, they don't break it out for the sake of comparison. As I telecommute, I'm fortunate that my employer pays for it anyway), with 500GB of monthly data. They're currently upgrading our area to support 250MB connections, with 1TB of data per month.

      Which is WAY better than when I lived in Toronto and was a Rogers customer, or for my family still living in the area (and still using Rogers). They're paying just a little bit less, and aren't even getting 10Mb service. Which, if anything just goes to show that what we should be taking from Roger's paid report here is that other providers outside Roger's coverage area are pulling up the average. Rogers itself still has a lot of work to do to improve their service.

      Yaz.

      • by ArwynH (883499)

        Things are pretty bad in Ontario, and Bell and Rogers are completely to blame. But get outside Ontario, and things are significantly better in many places.

        Here in Victoria, BC, I'm running 100/30Mb through Shaw for fairly reasonable rates (on its own it's about $85/mo, but as we're on a bundle with digital HDTV service we pay less than that -- unfortunately, they don't break it out for the sake of comparison...

        I think the fact that you consider $85/month for 100/30 a reasonable rate goes to show how big a piece of BS that report is. Here's a counter example: I pay ~$10/month for 100/100, no caps.

        To be honest that is actually below average, fiber goes for ~$30 before discounts are added here in Tokyo. And while I have no personal experience outside of the city limits, my in-laws, who live on the outskirts of a town of ~20k far removed from the industrial centers, recently installed fiber because "it's only a littl

  • Bandwidth caps (Score:5, Insightful)

    by spacenet (2555388) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:10PM (#38921869)
    I beg to differ.

    Typical entry-level plan in Canda:
    http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/basic-internet [videotron.com]
    Cost: 29.95 CAD/month (29.97 USD/month)
    Speed: 3 Mbps down, 800 Kbps up.
    Cap: 5 gigabytes per month combined download+upload cap.

    Best available plan in Estonia:
    http://www.eq.ee/page.asp?p=45 [www.eq.ee]
    Cost: 17,19 euros/month (22.60 USD/month)
    Speed: From 16 to 64 Mbps down, 8 Mbps up.
    Cap: None.
    • by Hatta (162192)

      So how exactly does Estonia do it?

    • by jcombel (1557059)

      in louisiana, i was getting Cox's 8Mbps connection with no cap for $55 a month. i typically used about 170GB/month

      in quebec, Videotron's 8Mbps connection cost $45 a month, but only had a 50GB cap. unusable.
      Videotron's 60Mbps connection costs $83 a month with a 150GB cap. unreasonable price for the cap, still, and absurd speed - what kind of residence would need that? i can't find any slowdowns in anything i do with 15Mbps

      i settled for videotron's 15Mbps connection: $55 a month, 90GB cap. toe the line every

      • by Shinobi (19308)

        A household where you have multiple heavy internet users, such as 1080p streaming, download of games/patches(City of Heroes and CCP for example use decent CDN's(that is, not Akamai), and can pretty much max out our 100Mb/s downstream), distro downloads, telecommuting, sending high-resolution RAW format photos around etc etc.

  • It's been said but, we're not exactly at the forefront of interweb techmonomolology unless you narrow the scope to equally um monopoly-based infrastructure.

  • AS a Canadian (Score:5, Informative)

    by wisnoskij (1206448) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:13PM (#38921905) Homepage

    I can tell you with absolute conviction that WE DO NOT have even close to the best access or speed.
    Huge swaths of the country are not able to access anything other then cell phone internet and most of the country is only able to get online using either Rogers or Bell (as they simply do not allow the little guys to use there lines outside of the big cities) and the price is huge (I pay $50 for 5GB max per month with over the limit prices that cost ~ $800 if you use 30Gigs).
    Also absolutely everything is heavily throttled.
    And Rogers only promised because they where threatened by the government.

  • Does anyone have a link to this report? It would be interesting to see the rankings for the UK and also their methodology.

    I'd like to know how they define broadband. Is it >2Mbit/s or >10Mbit/s? What data limits are they comparing? When they compare pricing does that include phone lines if they are a mandatory pre-requisite to broadband access?
  • by nimbius (983462) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:19PM (#38921981) Homepage
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  • Shill study (Score:5, Informative)

    by billcopc (196330) <vrillco@yahoo.com> on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:20PM (#38921987) Homepage

    This study was bought and paid for by Rogers. It is complete and utter bullshit!

    I have good, fast, uncapped and relatively affordable cable internet access. I get it from TekSavvy, a smaller "indie" ISP that leases the last mile from the incumbents but uses their own network after that point. On cable, this gets me around Rogers' throttling and filtering. DSL users aren't so lucky as Bell's throttling happens right at the client node.

    When I was still with Rogers, my monthly bill for the mid-range service tier was $130. This consisted of $64.99 for the service itself, $50 in overage charges every month, and taxes. With Tek, I'm paying $62 for faster service and no caps.

    Our internet is far from the best. Bell, Rogers and Telus are classic telco robber barons. They oversell like mad, throttle and cap in such a way as to protect their old phone and TV services, and spend fortunes on advertising to fool us into believing we're not actually getting fucked. If they took half the advertising budget, and spent it on infrastructure upgrades, we'd be the envy of every other crooked G7 nation. With the low-cost, no-nonsense indies it's a lot better, but the grand majority of users are still with the big three due to misplaced loyalty and laziness.

  • Heh. Financial Post is a cheerleader for the telecom industry. Try Michael Geist [michaelgeist.ca] instead to have the facts when it comes to the Canadian telecom industry, intellectual property and copyright laws in Canada. Example of one of his latest tweet:

    Is 15 of 32 "among world's fastest"? RT @gregobr: Canadian Internet speeds among world’s fastest: report http://natpo.st/yARz0G [natpo.st]

  • Hahaha! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bunhed (208100) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:35PM (#38922185)
    Rogers and Bell are parasites of the worst order. I can't even bother to look at the report or links. I know what I get for speed, reliability and I know what my bill is. This report can only be complete bullshit in every way!
  • by sabernet (751826) on Friday February 03, 2012 @07:44PM (#38922263) Homepage

    As a Canadian, let me respond as soon as I finish being angry at the editor...

    Seriously, why post the results of an oligarchical industry funded story as if fact? Seriously, what the hell, editors?

    Let me put how offensive and misleading this is in perspective by changing the quote a tad:

    "Americans enjoy among the fastest, most widely available and least expensive broadband Internet in the developed world, says a report released Thursday. The report, based on the results of 52 million speed tests of broadband users across the G7 countries and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) membership, was produced by NY-based consulting firm SomeGuy Associates Inc. on behalf of AT&T Communications Inc., the country's largest broadband service provider. It disputes the OECD's own report, published in July, that ranked Canada's high-speed Internet offerings significantly below those of other countries. The report comes days after the FCC revealed a sharp jump in the number of complaints it has received regarding Internet traffic-management practices, or 'throttling' in recent months."

    By helping spread this FUD you are literally doing harm to us. Due diligence, do you speak it?

    I've been visiting this site for a long time. I've not liked some of the things and mistakes I've seen posted here, but this is actually making me angry. Congratulations.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      And to underscore how serious an offense this is:

      You made a --CANADIAN-- angry. About something completely unrelated to hockey.

      Shame on you Soulskill. Shame.

      • You made a --CANADIAN-- angry. About something completely unrelated to hockey or beer

        There, fixed that for you.

  • I imagine this could be news of a local Canadian newspaper but Slashdot... Why?? I am from the Netherlands and live in Switzerland, both of which are "among" the best in terms of internet by some arguable measure, like Canada. The only newsworthy fact would perhaps be some nice ranked list but the article refers only to some Excel sheets, which place Canada far from number one. Better info can be found on Wikipedia.
  • News is nonsense (Score:3, Informative)

    by nierdal (928455) on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:31PM (#38922749)

    Common slashdot.... this news is complete nonsense.... check real prices here :

    http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/high-speed-internet [videotron.com]

    56$ per month for a very standard 8mpbs (without bundle) and 50gb cap. Add taxes and you're at 65$ per month

    You can get way better than that in the US

  • Better government
    Better healthcare
    and now better internet ... yea I could handle the winters

  • by kawabago (551139) on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:34PM (#38922791)
    Roger's has the worst customer relations of any firm ever. Take Monopoly power, add some arrogance, take away any hint of customer service and you've got Rogers Cable.
  • by SilverJets (131916) on Friday February 03, 2012 @08:39PM (#38922829) Homepage

    In Tokyo you can get fiber pulled right into your house.

    I pay Rogers $100 CAD a month for their highest tier with a 250 gig data cap per month and "up to" 50 Mbps download speed (which I never get anywhere near...I'm lucky if I approach 8 Mbps).

    • by kyrio (1091003)
      Mb != MB

      You are still being scammed, though, with your insane monthly cost along with a cap that you will hit after 11.38 hours of full speed downloading.
      • I am well aware of the difference between Mb and MB. Rogers advertises my tier as "up to 50 Mbps download speed". As I wrote earlier, I never get near that.

  • We're talking about a type of traffic that isn't usually throttled, doesn't require sustained performance for more than 10 seconds, and can be artificially inflated by ISPs to deceive their customers.

    To Lemay Yates, who I strongly suspect is a shill that doesn't mind quoting the most favourable statistics to give an overall misleading impression (if not outright manufacturing them with flawed experiments), I ask how Rogers specifically fares in terms of:

    -Average cost per monthly quota ($ per GB)?
    -Average

    • by kyrio (1091003)
      Rogers hasn't been properly maintaining their network. They have massive slowdowns at night, for many people. They nearly crippled the entire city for months and about half of it is still waiting for upgrades. Their prices and caps are horrid. Their overage charges are a giant scam. They are, or only recently stopped, throttling traffic. Their speed tests are all lies because of "SpeedBoost."
  • We get 50M for about $30usd a month, and 100M residential lines aren't uncommon. Get over yourself, Canada. Taiwan is just one entry in a very long list of people with better internet access.
    • by kyrio (1091003)
      Who, exactly, are you talking to? "Canada" never said it had better Internet access. Some shitbag ISP paid some random company to make that claim.
  • by crossmr (957846) on Saturday February 04, 2012 @09:31AM (#38926309) Journal

    what a fucking joke.
    Even in a major Canadian city the speed is terrible.
    I went from 3/1 in the downtown sector of a top 5 Canadian city because some wire didn't run the right way on that block to 100/80 everywhere in south Korea.
    I pay less than I do there, if I want service, a guy comes out when I want him to, he calls before he comes and if for some reason I can't make the time, he'll ask me when he wants me to drop by.
    There is no cap
    no throttling (other than the underseas cable)
    Rogers only hope is that Canadians never take the time to genuinely educate themselves.

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