VLC 2.0 'Twoflower' Released For Windows & Mac 299
Titus Andronicus writes "Years in the making, the major new release of VideoLAN's media player has better support for multicore processors, GPUs, and much, much more. From the announcement: 'Twoflower has a new rendering pipeline for video, with higher quality subtitles, and new video filters to enhance your videos. It supports many new devices and BluRay Discs (experimental). Completely reworked Mac and Web interfaces and improvements in the other interfaces make VLC easier than ever to use. Twoflower fixes several hundreds of bugs, in more than 7000 commits from 160 volunteers.'"
Twoflower eh (Score:5, Funny)
So terrible things will continuously happen, but at least the main characters will survive.
Re:Twoflower eh (Score:4, Funny)
Does this mean that is supports Quadroscopic Anaglyph mode? After all, if you have four eyes, Stereoscopic is never going to be enough...
Do VLC now provide inn-sewer-ants against patent infringements?
Mac interface VASTLY improved (Score:4, Insightful)
Gone is the two window design! Now it's got an iTunes-like single window, but with its own VLC stylings (e.g., the playback controls on the bottom). I dig!
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Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (Score:5, Insightful)
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^^this.
i hope they haven't fucked up the windows version. i don't care about macs.
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Welp, until someone mods it out, you can get an older version at this page [oldversion.com]. OldVersion rocks for when companies fuck up their own product (see: Winamp after the AOL buyout).
Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (Score:5, Informative)
it's basically the same except the icon is a bit to the left. i really don't know what Kenja is talking about.
Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (Score:4, Insightful)
I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.
It is, however, what most Mac users are familiar with so it makes a good comparison.
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Ah, a classic example of putting words into someone else's mouth and then bashing them for what they supposedly said.
He didn't make any such claim, just that it had a single window interface. Does he really need to add disclaimers that he knows that Apple did not invent the single window video player interface?
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for future reference, the shorthand term for this is called a "strawman argument"
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See other poster's comments: It's the playlist which showed up in a different window(which, indeed, in the older version I have, it does show up in a pop-up window).
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you must have never used the playlist. it used to be a separate window, which was annoying. now it comes up over the video if you click the icon (bottom left) or press shift-cmd-p.
unfortunately it doesn't get keyboard focus automatically. i hope they fix that. it's almost there.
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My computer has a processor designed to do h.264 decoding specifically with very lower power cost and leaving my CPU almost completely unused.
I don't particularly care whats coming in the future or that my CPU is plenty fast enough to do it. A Hummer is plenty capable of driving to work every day, but it still be pretty inefficient for anyone to do when you have a much more efficient car for driving to work, leaving the hummer free to do heavy lifting.
My built in decoder causes my CPU to use a percent or t
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Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (Score:4, Insightful)
hardware acceleration of h264 uses vastly lesser amount of battery on my win7 laptop. i imagine that might be a good reason for some people.
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There is no "tax", and the new system being introduced in 10.8 merely adds a layer of UAC-style authentication to apps not from the App Store or identified developers (and any developer can get a digital cert from Apple for free, with no vetting process). The large majority of developers who make Mac software but don;t sell via the App Store will see no functional change to their apps on 10.8 from the user perspective, since they'll all be signed already.
If a developer doesn't get a digital certificate then
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Incorrect.
Mountain Lion has 3 security modes. There's "App Store Signed" (Signed by Apple and vetted). The default I believe is "App Store and Verified Developer" (Apple vets App Store, but anyone with a credit card can purchase a Verified Developer certificate that Ap
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Is Apple liable for damages in that case?
Essentially, can one blindly trust and install vetted apps?
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When I formatted a USB drive and did a clean install, the default was the "everything" option. Maybe this will be changed later, but it's not the default now.
Does skipping video work? (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it finally correctly skip the video, instead of just skipping to some time near where I clicked?
Three ways to seek (Score:5, Informative)
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You're overthinking it. The old versions just had bad GUI.
It sounds like they've done some great tuning work (Score:4, Interesting)
Not surprisingly, most of the work seems to have been for platforms other than Linux, but maybe the upgraded OpenGL rendering pipeline will prove of benefit when full-screening 1080p videos. My box periodically stutters a frame or two when viewing such videos on a 1600x1200 monitor, because I've only got a crufty old P4-3.8GHz CPU with 4G of fast RAM. My video card is more than capable, and I never used to see any frame loss under Windows.
Mind you, I didn't have a pile of servers running when I had this CPU chugging under XP instead of Ubuntu 10.04.1.
Alas, the odds are not in my favour that I'll see this update unless I build from source.
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Sounds like a problem in your particular setup. I have used VLC in 5 different Ubuntu machines and it worked great in all of them.
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Or all the old Linux guys care less about consuming content than making something.
I do find Linux a little stunted in the multimedia department - the texture tearing on at least one monitor when using a composite desktop is mildly annoying when using standard applications, but unacceptable when watching video. I'm hoping that Wayland will improve this, but holding my breath for it to arrive would be foolish.
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There's absolutely no truth to that. Several years ago, you couldn't get CPUs fast enough that they could decode high-bitrate highdef H.264 video, but it's been a long time since that was the case. Even low-end CPUs have enough power these days.
Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (Score:2)
It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?
Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (Score:5, Insightful)
It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?
Uhhhh... it's rebuilding the font cache dude. It say it right there in the dialog box.
Better question is... why does it need to do it every fucking time? :)
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I see a terminal window for this during install for all of about 5 seconds on Win7. Perhaps you've checked the "clear cache" box during install and shouldn't be?
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Nah sometimes during a crash, it'll freak out and corrupt your existing font cache. In which case it'll spend about 6 years rebuilding it. Well maybe not 6 years, at least 4 years anyway.
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That's the best explanation yet. VLC crashes quite often for me (10-20% of the time. 100% on some files.). Not surprising since I ask it to play so many different formats and who the hell knows how well it was encoded.
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Let's say that's true (i.e. font cache is corrupted on crash).
1) Sounds like a bug to me. File a bug report? (after gathering evidence, of course)
2) Possible workaround: Make a known-good copy of the font cache (on Windows it's %APPDATA%\vlc, I believe). Restore it after a VLC crash (before launching VLC again)
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It does happen. "Every time" or even frequently, I haven't seen. I get it about 2-3 times a year, it's a little annoying, but not a big deal.
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It gets stuck in a pattern.
When it does start to do it, only letting it complete will get rid of the message. After that, it can get stuck in that pattern and do it every single time. Most likely because the process never completed correctly.
I do long periods in between it though.
What I find the *most* annoying is the complete lack of information regarding it. I assume a cache is made to speed up some process involving subtitles. There should be an option to turn off caching, or the process itself is on
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VLC never does this for me, but Media Player Classic does (on OS X). Every time I start it, a dialog pops up saying it's rebuilding the font cache. It can take 1-2 minutes, or more, and won't let you do anything else while you're waiting!
It's annoying enough that I stopped trying to use MPC, even though it plays some videos smoothly that VLC stutters on (a known VLC OS X issue - not sure if it's fixed in the latest version). Plus the MPC interface and everything kind of sucks too.
If VLC were doing that too,
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Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? (Score:2)
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I was able to do this several years ago, with standard VLC on linux; the options are in there somewhere but I remember it not being obvious how to get it to work, and a lot of trial and error was involved.
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right click
Just tested this..... (Score:5, Interesting)
Wow! I can now skip merrily through a multi-gig MKV file at high bitrates without lag. I can jump halfway through the video and with almost no pause it begins playing with only a little pixelation. This is on Win7 so YMMV on other platforms but I can tell you that compared to even the beta I WAS running this is a giant leap forward - no pun intended. Previously it would hang and slog through the video and was just really awful to skip through big files when I wanted to just check something. Now? Zero issues, clear picture, and plenty of control. I can grab the slider and get pretty good playback too although it obviously jumps some. So far I haven't tried many other video containers or ISO etc. just this one test but for me this was a really big one - very very pleased.
Bravo to the VLC team!
Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (Score:4, Informative)
VLC 2.0? That's nice. I'll keep using my even lighter weight video player that plays even more "darn near everything" than VLC.
Even the built-in filters for MPC-HC are very good, but extending it with Haali's Splitter and ffdshow or CoreAVC results in even better performance.
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VLC 2.0? That's nice. I'll keep using my even lighter weight video player that plays even more "darn near everything" than VLC.
Now wait a second...
Even the built-in filters for MPC-HC are very good, but extending it with Haali's Splitter and ffdshow or CoreAVC results in even better performance.
If you really want to play, you know, everything, you're going to need a codec kit. So you have to add that into the size of the player too.
Different kinds of programs (Score:5, Informative)
MPC-HC isn't actually a full featured media player. It is just a wrapper for DirectShow and Windows Media Foundation, Windows' own highly competent video interfaces. It doesn't actually handle any of the demuxing or decoding itself, it uses the relevant system filters.
Now this is useful in that anything you've taught Windows to play, it can play. It doesn't have to specifically support it. This also makes it lighter weight, since it doesn't have to have any of that kind of thing with it.
The disadvantage is that if the system doesn't have the codec, it can't handle it. Or if the system codec is problematic or the like it'll have problems.
VLC is an all-in-one package. It does all its decoding internally. The only thing it relies on the OS for is things like providing a video rendering interface. So while you can't just feed it new codecs, it doesn't need anything to be on the system. It is self contained.
I keep it around mostly for problematic files. Some of the pro software I install replaces things like the default MPEG decoders with new ones. These new ones do not tolerate MPEG files not to spec. Makes sense, they are for production and you want to make sure it is done right. However sometimes there's an old video that is encoded wrong, but I want to watch it. VLC can handle that, it is pretty robust at playback.
It isn't the be-all, end-all of media players, but it has its place.
I'll wait until 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 in a few days (Score:2, Funny)
Sure, I feel the urge to download this right now but I know I'll be downloading 2.0.1 tomorrow and then 2.0.2 the day after that so I might as well wait until all the "oops" releases get taken care of.
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"Twoflower has a new rendering pipeline for video, with higher quality subtitles, and new video filters to enhance your videos."
VPs at Intel are thrilled, this will really help them at CES next year.
Release for iOS (Score:2)
Icon (Score:5, Insightful)
They should have taken advantage of the chance to change that horrendous cone icon. I love VLC, but sometimes I install other alternatives just to get rid of that ugly icon that gives the idea that there is something broken in the files (yes, I know it can be changed, but I'm too lazy to fiddle with that and it's so 90s to mess around with icon configuration).
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Ones a year it already different during Christmas. That is atleast something right ;-)
PowerPC version broken (Score:3, Informative)
I upgraded to 2.0.0 on my old PowerPC G4 iMac, which I like to use as a movie player "for the design". Warning for that! No sound, red stripes all over the frame... The upside is that it's really easy to downgrade, just move the old app bundle back from the trash can to the applications folder.
Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah. Because a simple, light-weight, video player that plays damn-near anything you throw at it without the need for additional codecs and runs on every OS that matters is specifically for neckbearded, anime-fan virgins. I can't possibly imagine anyone else ever wanting to watch videos on their computer.
Troll much?
Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (Score:5, Informative)
he's referring to the section in the change log specifically titled "FOR ANIME FANS"
i laughed too when i saw it
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There are a number of features largely specific to anime fansubs, e.g. heavily styled subtitles (to replace Japanese text on signs, etc) and MKV segment linking. It's not spurious. And "neckbearded virgins" is rather silly when anime as a fandom is hardly gender-specific (unlike, say, Slashdot).
Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (Score:5, Funny)
Who said anything about gender?
The women anime fans have neckbeards too, in my experience.
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In my experience, absolutely not. Quit spreading untrue stereotypes, I mean it.
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Umm... dude, that's not her neck.
You really should get out more.
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Subtitle support was already great back in $a_date_long_ago_in_computer_years. Dunno what 2.0 improves on, fluff support was already pretty good, probably it's about doing that on soft subs.
Anyway, the thing with anime fansub subtitles is that they go beyond normal subtitling, adding karaoke with characters(and images) glowing, fading, changing colors and jumping around the screen; typesetting floating objects translations right into a precise place in a timed frame, along resizing, translating and rotati
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Not only that but also plays videos contained inside compressed archives... I heard it is useful for p0rn!
Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (Score:5, Interesting)
If we can get by the neckbeard virgin jokes, its actually a good idea for them to specifically target anime-watching (especially the fansub community) in their notes. For years, there has been the complaint that, compared to such offerings as Media Player Classic Home Cinema, especially with lots of external filters from something like the Combined Community Codec Pack, VLC was inferior. Subtitles were not rendered as aesthetically pleasingly, image quality may have suffered, and other factors made VLC a second player choice despite its internal filters and easy accessibility.
The anime fansub community has pioneered the usage of initially arcane formats, expecting exacting quality and often utilizing features that would be an afterthought for most other media. Matroska container formats,H.264/ X264 HD video, Ogg Theora/OGM, multi-channel AAC/OGG/ audio, multiple streams of the aforementioned plus multiple softcoded subtitle options, etc.. showed up prominently in anime fansub encodes long before the general population ever saw them. Some would say their pioneering encoding even helped drive pirate rips of SD and HD content out of old-fashioned AVI containers for everything, besides being a huge boon to localization in any form as these advances helped to move from single language audio and subtitle options hardcoded (or hand-selected-and-renamed-manual-subs) to simple container formats with multiple options. Today, we're seeing many fansub release groups offering 1080p high bitrate MKV with lossless FLAC audio channels and 10-bit color pallets...even for porn!
Anime fansubs/localization has been a quiet but important force in driving online video quality from the days of grainy, option-free rips to a single high-bitrate HD file with several lossless audio channels and subtitles for 8 languages available, often using open specifications and open source codecs to do so. VLC setting the bar for these enthusiasts who really move the media forward is certainly commendable in my opinion, compared to saying "Well, if it runs content purchased off iTunes, its good enough!".
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The funny part is they could have just retitled it "FOR ANIME WAREZERS" as there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container or using ASS subs.
And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy, no high quality MKV rip has ever done so. iTunes downloads do, however.
WebM uses MKV (Score:4, Insightful)
there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container
Every video on YouTube is available as WebM (that is, VP8+Vorbis in a subset of MKV). Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?
And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy
We pay those publishers who are willing to take our money. Publishers that sit on their works and declare "no export for you" [tvtropes.org] get little sympathy.
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I am not aware of any. Most streaming anime is hosted at the licensor's website.
And yet shows that do get licensed and sold... sell terribly even if they have large fanbases. Usually with lots of rationalization.
Yes yes, more excuses please. I had my fill 7 years ago and walked away from the fansub wo
Re:WebM uses MKV (Score:4, Informative)
I am not aware of any.
Allow me to enlighten you then. [youtube.com]
The Princess Mononoke example (Score:3)
The illigitimate distribution has led to more commercial releases as it becomes clear there are enough fans in unexpected areas, and thus the people who create the works we enjoy get the benefit of potentially getting paid more.
Of course there are extremes but it doesn't look like a few fansubs are hurtin
Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (Score:5, Informative)
I don't watch any anime, but the picture quality in VLC v2.0 has improved quite a bit over v1.1. VLC is still not offloading as many things as I might like to my graphics processor *(HD 6870), but its CPU utilization is not high on my Core i5 based system. I forgot which settings I used before to make some content end up forced to decode on the graphics card; I went ahead & axed the old settings in case they would break things in the new version.
The big positives I noticed right away: The technique VLC uses for dealing with interlaced content improved in terms of output quality in v2.0. I still don't have a solution for the 24 frames issue that causes some HD to stutter a bit, but I imagine that has to do more with how things are encoded than the player.
I've only played around with a few videos with it so far, but I do like the improvements that I can see. I also like the improvements that I can hear!
Its nice when a new version is actually an improvement, and not just more pure bloat that gives the same level of performance at many times the original install size.
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Aka, for the neckbearded virgins.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
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they are a perfectly cromulent sub species of something.
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the method of reproduction is still in debate. Current theories include: asexual reproduction, fsm-mmm-donuts - which involves drool and hair, and spontaneously.
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Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (Score:5, Insightful)
VLC Media Player is a self-contained media player program that will play almost anything you throw at it, and works independently of any codecs installed on your system. So even if your codec installations get messed up, VLC still works.
It also plays DVDs.
Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's why you'd want it: you'd never need to add a codec. VLC plays videos in every codec known to man, and several known only to dolphins. That, and it's a damn good music player, *and* it supports playing videos in the framebuffer in linux.
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Here's why you'd want it: you'd never need to add a codec. VLC plays videos in every codec known to man, and several known only to dolphins. That, and it's a damn good music player, *and* it supports playing videos in the framebuffer in linux.
In addition, if it brings Blu-Ray to the OSX it will fill a big hole in video playback on the Mac. OSX already can read Blu-Ray disks, and MakeMKV rips them to mkvs; but this would eliminate the need and time involved in getting one's blu-ray collection playable in an OSX environment.
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Does it support CDXL format?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDXL [wikipedia.org]
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It's a small install that plays most anything you throw at it including damaged files. It doesn't require you to install CODECs and it's pretty highly optimized code to run on even slow machines. anytime I have someone I know complain they cannot play some file or other I tell them to load VLC - problem solved. Perhaps you just only ever play standard sorts of files
Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (Score:5, Informative)
It's designed to play everything without ever installing any codec. End users shouldn't know what a "codec" is, they should double-click a file and see it play, which is what VLC is all about.
It think that after Mplayer, it's the first free media player getting support for it. Windows Media Player doesn't support Blu-Ray yet, for example.
Many people have. It's very easy to run into problems with codecs if you use them. There is no standard user interface to maintain them, so you have to rely on their installers to do the right thing when you install and uninstall them. Which often doesn't happen.
That's because you only used one of the few formats supported by WMP - in this case you have little to gain from VLC. But suppose your grandmother wants to see some family clips taken with somebody else's digital camera. She will double-click them and they won't play. You can either:
- ask her to dig the FOURCC identification in the video clips, ask her what OS she uses and what version, find a codec online which is good for her case, tell her to download and install it, then cross your fingers and hope it works because there is no well-defined way to debug problems if things don't go well at this point. Note that a broken codec will harm *all* media playback on her machine.
- tell her do download and install VLC and double click those videos again.
"Self contained" seems like a big downside to me. It doesn't even compete with VNC or RDP?? The name is pretty misleading as well.
You can capture your desktop and stream it to another room via IP. Or you can capture a football match from your TV card and stream it into your neighbour's house. Or you can convert a DVD into another format. It's both a generic tool for advanced users and an easy to use player for regular users.
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More like the total opposite of Windows Media Player. That's why it's good.
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Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a bit trollish.
VLC is an odd program. When it works, it works wonderfully. Otherwise it sucks very badly. I often go back and forth between MPC and VLC.
I get frustrated by that "rebuild font cache" that just keeps happening on occasion no matter what you do. Subtitle rendering left some things to be desired.
It's just a tool like anything else. I never had the expectation that it was going to work in every single circumstance given the unbelievable variation in encoding formats and what they actually output these days.
Overall, I have never regretted installing it unlike some other programs.
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No that was spot on accurate. A lot of features don't work or won't work right. They parent is probably talking about windows. I've never seen cut and paste or drag and drop work on Linux across a dozen distros.
VLC can hard crash X at times but then so do some other programs.
I like VLC but I have to accept it will not work or work poorly at times. Since they IMAO screwed the UI by defeaturing it I'll see if it's a wretched as it looks when I can get it.
Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (Score:5, Informative)
vlc works *better* on windows than on linux. drag and drop has never been a problem, it plays any damn format you throw at it. it can even capture network streams and encode them into whatever you want. it repairs partially broken avis. it does not care if your file has chunks missing. the ui is the simplest you can get without removing any essential features. it can use your bluetooth earphones to play/pause/next.
once (in ye olde vista days) my fucking graphics driver crashed while watching a movie in vlc. it switched to s/w rendering on the fly, while aero went to fallback mode in the background, error notification appears saying 'your graphics has crashed'. after 30-40 seconds the drive gets restarted, aero comes back and vlc switches back to h/w rendering. all this without any interruption in the playback. i think that is amazing. i dunno why you guys think it crashes hard.
on linux, sometimes right click menu is a bit buggy while in fullscreen.
on windows vlc is the nearest you can get to the ideal video player.
Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (Score:4, Interesting)
The nice thing about VLC on Windows is that it can be a least common denominator.
I want to give a friend a video to watch. I don't have to research what codecs and container formats it was using, and what my friend has installed on the computer. I just add the VLC installer on the disc and tell him to use that if their default player doesn't handle the video.
Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (Score:5, Informative)
"But I use Linux!" Then you're used to video not working.
Have you ever heard of mplayer ?
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I can't imagine how you have VLC set incorrectly so that it "washes out" color - a default install will reproduce video per-file. I can see no difference between a default install of MPC and a default install of VLC in terms of color.
It sounds like they're using different overlay/buffers and on your system your video has separate settings for each - this is especially common on ATI video cards. It will detect overlay video as "video" and apply its video "enchancements", but then not detect the video for any
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What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?
Basically anything with an AMD E-series. The amount they are slower is more than made up for by the amount they are cheaper.
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Doesn't every application that processes Bluray data have to maintain HDCP, per the Bluray association's licensing deal?
I assume VLC doesn't have a license, and is displaying Bluray using one of its known hacks. While DVD content protection is dead dead there hasn't been as much case law with Bluray.
Re:Not Bad (Score:4, Informative)
It's simpler than that: they're based in France, which doesn't recognise the same laws as the USA. Their legal page goes into detail.
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They'll wake up tomorrow, and find that fuckin' green statue dropped from 30000 feet on top of their beloved Awful Tower. That'll teach 'em a thing or two about democracy...
Democracy won't fix anything if your country is full of assholes...
Re:Not Bad (Score:5, Informative)
Name one innocent person who has ACTUALLY been extradited by the US on BS chages for copyright violations.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
I'm not saying that its never going to happen, but it just hasn't happened yet, at least not in my life time.
You people just don't fucking get it.
We don't come get you and extradite you when we ACTUALLY want to get you. We just do that when we want to pretend you matter, but you really don't. See Julian Assange. When we actually want to get you, you just cease to exist one night. Its far cleaner and raises FAR fewer questions, even if a CIA agent comes out the next day and tells you he did it.
Richard O'Dwyer [wikipedia.org]
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My name's not Rui and if you read my comment history you'd probably know that i live in australia.
also, i'm not even 30 yet and i hate Java.
but go on, please continue to think that i have no life and would create multiple accounts to spam & modbomb slashdot.
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Years ago, I tried installing VLC on my video file servers to do vidcaps/thumbnails via scripts, but it simply wouldn't compile without a full X-window installation to solve dependencies. At one point, there was a console-only version, but it had long since been abandon