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Inside Look At Eastern European Vs. East Asian Hackers 63

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from the starring-jackie-chan-and-chris-rockalovsky dept.
wiredmikey writes with a snippet from Security Week: "Much of the talk about cybercrime remains focused on East Asia. But according to a new report, it is hackers in Eastern Europe that have actually emerged as more sophisticated. In a report entitled 'Peter the Great vs. Sun Tzu' ... compared hackers from the two regions. His conclusion — the Eastern Europeans are far more insidious and strategic. While East Asian groups tend to work for other organizations interested in their skills, hackers from Eastern Europe generally operate in small, independent units, and are focused on profit. Their infrastructure tends to be developed by them specifically for their own use in attacks. 'They [Eastern European groups] tend to want to be in control of their entire infrastructure and will routinely set up their own servers for use in attacks, develop their own DNS servers to route traffic and create sophisticated traffic directional systems used in their attacks,' according to the report. 'If they do go outside, they will carefully select bulletproof hosts to support their infrastructure. It is their hallmark to maintain control of the whole stack similar to the business models pioneered by Apple.'"
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Inside Look At Eastern European Vs. East Asian Hackers

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  • Makes sense to me (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:30AM (#41386081)

    If the east Asian hackers are anything like the Indian and Chinese programmers I've worked with in the past, that sounds about right. They more often produce lazy, sloppy, jerry-rigged code--and work purely as guns for hire, in-and-out (usually leaving the rest of us to clean up the mess after some company realizes that their great money-saving outsourcing initiative just left them with unusable shit code). Give me a conscientious western programmer any day over that. At least the average American/European programmer can follow basic instructions and won't play dumb and ask for more money when you point out his code doesn't even work.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by phil_aychio (2438214)
      Sounds about right...I haven't been attacked by any Europeans (that I know of) (yet), but the Chinese hackers have got to be the laziest. Sometimes it works for them, only because the target everyone and exploit those systems that are administered by someone just as lazy or lazier. I have an FTP log full of IP's originating in China that try to brute-force their way in. I could set the auto-ban to 1 million failed attempts and the lazy bastards will still get banned. FTP log usually looks like this: log
      • That scheme is going to catch more hosts than you might think. They don't care if you have a secure password; most others don't.

        Though this [datagenetics.com] article indicates they'd be better off trying 1234 first (and possibly "password" after that).

  • TL;DR (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:39AM (#41386171)

    Apple is Eastern European hackers trying to steal your money

  • Training (Score:5, Funny)

    by Hatta (162192) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:41AM (#41386193) Journal

    They're just training for a career in finance.

  • by acidfast7 (551610) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:44AM (#41386225)
    godspeed as it seems that breaking something for profit is the only way corporations make improvements!
  • Misread (Score:4, Funny)

    by SJHillman (1966756) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:46AM (#41386233)

    I only opened this because I misread "hackers" as "hookers"

    • On second thought, it still makes sense.

      "Much of the talk about cybercrime remains focused on East Asia. But according to a new report, it is hookers in Eastern Europe that have actually emerged as more sophisticated. In a report entitled 'Peter the Great vs. Sun Tzu' ... compared hookers from the two regions. His conclusion — the Eastern Europeans are far more insidious and strategic. While East Asian groups tend to work for other organizations interested in their skills, hookers from Eastern Europe

    • by TeknoHog (164938)
      With Blackjack! In fact, forget the hookers.
  • Analogy overload (Score:5, Insightful)

    by circletimessquare (444983) <circletimessquare&gmail,com> on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @09:57AM (#41386385) Homepage Journal

    "It is their hallmark to maintain control of the whole stack similar to the business models pioneered by Apple."

    This statement is so absurd.

    Why not compare to the Apollo space program or the DeBeers diamond monopoly... these comparisons just as absurd. Or, here's a fun analogy: the Soviet Union.

    We get it, how the hackers work. You can get really fun with the analogies by getting political: say their organization methods resemble the organization methods of Al Qaeda or FARC or Wikileaks or Anonymous. See how the absurd analogy is formed from, and can be used to form, silly prejudices and bias?

    Reaching for the absurd sort of analogy, like with Apple, tells us more about the author's hangups and obsessions or agenda: comparing and contrasting things and finding parallels in things which are superficial and uninformative.

    • Oooooor more people on Slashdot (a tech site) are familiar with Apple than an old space program, a former world power, diamonds or politics.

      • familiar with^W^W obsessed with

        if the idea of centralized control is something you can only appreciate from the business practices of Apple, you have problems

      • by hackula (2596247)
        If we wanted to do that then we would say "ok /.ers. Europeans are like Magic the Gathering and Asians are like Pokemon".
        • by Jstlook (1193309)

          If we wanted to do that then we would say "ok /.ers. Europeans are like Magic the Gathering and Asians are like Pokemon".

          No! I asked for a *CAR* analogy! No, the D is not silent!
          More like, Asians produce toyota - those popular cheap cars that people drive, the ones that have all the essential parts to make a car go (you know the asian cars), and europeans produce those sophisticated luxury cars that have all the nice, leather seats and air conditioning (like those european cars do).

        • by Larryish (1215510)

          Pokemon is totally gay.

    • by Hillgiant (916436)

      How DARE you go against the slashdot groupthink?!? Apple is the source of all that is evil in the world. People who purchase their products should be pitied and reviled.

      • Re:Analogy overload (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Fr33z0r (621949) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @11:09AM (#41387297)
        Not just Slashdot, it's everywhere. Smartphone rivalry has brought us the console war mentality to the masses. Everybody's got smartphones, so the "your choice is wrong because my choice was different" mentality is running riot and ruining the whole damn internet now, not just the gaming websites.
  • by me74 (1248222) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @10:26AM (#41386737)
    Wasn't the Net created by "hackers" working on open-source? (to share informations for free around the world?) People stealing money and private informations are Theaves, Not Hackers.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      *Thieves. ... and in the ol' days, weren't people exploiting system vulnerabilities called "Crackers"?

      • We'll never win this fight. How about we make up a new word for "hackers", and let it go? It happened to the best words... that's why it is good we have a symbolic language, mostly - easy to switch signs.
        Maybe code artists? code artisans? cartists?

        • by hackula (2596247)
          Even though it gets everyone's panties in a wad, I still like the term "Software Engineer". IRL I actually go one step up with "Software Architect". Why would I want to call myself something that makes my clients uncomfortable? I want the term that is going to give them the most confidence and willingness to pay me more. I know that I am a hacker in the real sense, but calling myself that in business is simply unprofessional.
        • by RobinH (124750)
          Actually if you follow what's being going on with Arduino and 3D printers, etc., what we used to call "hackers" are now calling themselves "makers," as in people who "make" things. I think a more accurate title would be "maker/modder" to cover people who are modifying existing products to give them new functionality. Interestingly these people tend to congregate in "hackerspaces" so it's all a mix of words.
        • We'll never win this fight. How about we make up a new word for "hackers", and let it go? It happened to the best words... that's why it is good we have a symbolic language, mostly - easy to switch signs. Maybe code artists? code artisans? cartists?

          Artodes?

    • Get over it, I gave up this fight years ago. Language evolves and nomenclature changes. Either change with it or stubbornly misrepresent yourself to everyone else.

    • by rmdpgh (2661387) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @11:05AM (#41387235)

      Wasn't the Net created by "hackers" working on open-source? (to share informations for free around the world?) People stealing money and private informations are Theaves, Not Hackers.

      I agree with the second sentiment of thieves. Your first supposition, though, couldn't be more wrong. The 'Net started out as a US Department of Defese initiative through DARPA to ensure communications integrity across the US (in particular, the military) in the event of a catastrophe, up to and including nuclear attack from an enemy. Those communications would most certainly *not* have been shared freely around the world. At some point, there were enough private/private-ish entities on ARPAnet, it made sense to split MILNET off to perform the military functions, and *then* let the rest of the world screw around with the 'Net as you know it today.

  • by srussia (884021) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @11:06AM (#41387253)
    dark and light, female and male, low and high, cold and hot, water and fire, earth and air... Brin and Yang and all that jazz.
  • Hookers (Score:4, Funny)

    by Frankie70 (803801) on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @11:19AM (#41387459)

    How about a comparison of East Asian vs East European Hookers?

  • So if East European groups are like Apple, then the East Asian groups are like Microsoft?
  • Wow. 41 comments in and only a handful actually on topic. The rest just bitch about an analogy involving Apple or the proper use of the term "hacker". I guess Slashdot has totally given up on discussions relating to security.

    For those (few) interested, here is the link to the original paper.

    http://www.trendmicro.com/us/security-intelligence/research-and-analysis/index.html#spotlight-articles [trendmicro.com]

  • Anyone else think working for someone, like the Asian hackers are said to, guarantees you far more protection against any threat toward you? Therefore, I think Asian hackers are the smarter and more logical ones here.
  • Which one were we at war with again?

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