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Reuters reports that John McAfee's troubles in Central America seem to be coming to an end. After a Guatemalan judge ordered McAfee's release yesterday, the country's immigration authorities have now deported him, putting him on a plane to Miami this afternoon. McAfee told ABC News, "They took me out of my cell and put me on a freaking airplane. I had no choice in the matter." Which is not to say he's unhappy with the outcome: "It was the most gracious expulsion I've ever experienced. Compared to my past two wives that expelled me this isn't a terrible trip."
US has extradition treaty with Belize (Score:4, Informative)
At least for people who aren't billionaires.
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Don't they actually need to charge him with something?
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They didnt need to "charge" Assange with anything... he's just wanted for questioning.
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Which would be a relevant comment if McAfee were in the UK.
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No, he actually isn't.
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Actually it is correct, he has indeed been charged with rape. If he had said that Assange had committed rape that would be incorrect and libelous, but it's not a requirement to be charged.
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He has not been charged with anything. It would've taken you just a few seconds to verify before posting.
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He has not been "charged" because Swedish law requires him to be arrested before he can be charged. There is every intention to charge him once he is in custody.
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Swedish law? I think you have him confused with someone else. McAfee is wanted for questioning in a murder case in Belize.
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Reread the thread. AC posted a comment about Assange
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Reread the thread. AC posted a comment about Assange
Which is why there's an "offtopic" moderation and why you shouldn't respond to offtopic comments. This entire thread is offtopic, and every comment in it should be moderated as such.
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Er, there is a warrant out. That is why Julian Assange is currently hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy.
Re:US has extradition treaty with Belize (Score:4, Informative)
Citations, please.
I'll remind you that BOTH of the women involved in the Assange scandal have stated quite clearly in interviews that Assange did NOT commit a rape. The only "charges" that have been made concern "sexual misconduct" involving the failure to use a condom. No actual, formal charges have ever been filed. Some muck raker just wants the opportunity to sit Assange down for an interrogation.
Get your facts straight, please. You simply cannot comprehend the situation, unless you start getting the basic facts straight. Both women spoke to the media, both women made similar statements. So similar, in fact, one has to wonder just how long they rehearsed their statements. We know that they are in collusion, but we don't know for certain who they are in collusion with. Are they the only conspirators, playing a rather petty game, or are they members of a larger conspiracy, playing at international intrigue? OR, is their little petty conspiracy simply being taken advantage of by another larger conspiracy?
Tune in next week, same time, same station, for another installment of, "Bimbos Rape Assange"!!
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You mean like being wanted for questioning in a murder?
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You mean like being wanted for questioning in a murder?
No he means actually charge him with something. The traditional common law position is that, the terms of the extradition treaty notwithstanding, a person can only be extradited if charged with a crime recognised as such in the extraditing country. The US has not, I trust, entered into any treaties whereby it is subject to the perversion of law which has seen Sweden demand the rendition of a UK resident merely for the purposes of interrogation.
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"Common law" is not that common. What we have is a shared legal history with England, but that is completely unrelated to the legal history of many other countries.
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If there was any relevant point to that post at all, I missed it.
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I suspect his point was that if your logic held
Its not my logic dude, it's the Law.
there wouldn't be many extradition treaties as they'd be pretty one sided if they relied upon a system of law not present in the vast majority of bound parties. So there has to be more to it than you suggest.
Now that is a failure of logic! The mere fact that the dual criminality (AKA 'double criminality) [uslegal.com] principle exists in common law countries, does not imply that the same principle is absent in other legal systems. Y
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That'd be relevant if McAfee were extradited. He was deported to his home country, which I believe is the US.
It's relevant because we are discussing whether the US will extradite McAfee to Belize. Note the subject heading of this thread.
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Unless he was claiming refugee status, Guatemala was under no obligation to let him stay within their borders.
Re:US has extradition treaty with Belize (Score:5, Informative)
He was, in fact, seeking asylum, which was denied.
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I meant that he would have to be charged in order to be extradited from the US.
Re:US has extradition treaty with Belize (Score:4, Informative)
Apparently yes [internatio...onblog.com]..
3. A request for extradition of a person who is sought for prosecution shall also be supported by:
(a) a copy of the warrant or order of arrest, if any, issued by a judge or other competent authority of the Requesting State;
(b) a document setting forth the charges; and
(c) such evidence as would be found sufficient, according to the law of the Requested State, to justify the committal for trial of the person sought if the offense of which the person has been accused had been committed in the Requested State.
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he requested asylum in Guatemala, that was denied, so he gets deported to his country of citizenship: the USA
what happens next is he will probably be extradited to Belize for murder, when the Belize govt present the USA with an extradition order
Re:US has extradition treaty with Belize (Score:4, Informative)
I'd figure that's small enough that no one would care in tossing him back over.
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Not even close; apparently he's worth something more in the lines of 4 mil, if that.
Somebody else said his retirement buyout was along the lines of $80M. But, I can see him having spent $76M on coke and whores - just hadn't seen that documented anywhere.
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Well, coke, whores, and the market crash some years back.
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IIRC he put all his money in toxic assets such as CDO's, right before the markets crashed. So he's probably down to his last million.
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But if you meant that he could live a billionaire lifestyle in Belize with just a few million U.S. dollars, I'd agree.
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" MORONIE DEPORTED TO SWEDEN
CLAIMS HE'S NOT FROM THERE " ;-)
/ obscure? now i have to post some random stuff here to get around the filter
Which they would have to provide evidence for (Score:3, Insightful)
Extradition only matters when you have proof someone is a criminal.
The whole issue of Belize wanting McAfee from the start was a farce; he didn't pay his protection money and they wanted to hurt/kill him. End of story.
The proof of this will to be seen in nothing whatsoever happening to McAfee on his return to the U.S. They have no proof against him and can't request to extradite someone just because he made them look like fools.
The whole story is a cautionary tale about living in places where corruption of
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>The whole issue of Belize wanting McAfee from the start was a farce; he didn't pay his protection money and they wanted to hurt/kill him. End of story.
Are you saying that the police killed his neighbor in order to frame him? I'm not saying that's impossible, I just hadn't heard that theory.
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Are you saying that the police killed his neighbor in order to frame him?
To me it seems more likely than McAfee having done so. There was nothing about McAfee that indicated he was violent.
Or it could have been some random crime. But it follows in line with McAfee's dog being shot.
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Are you saying that the police killed his neighbor in order to frame him?
To me it seems more likely than McAfee having done so.
I also have no history of violence, but it someone killed my dog, they would die. Particularly if I lived in a place where money can erase crime (a fact McAfee seems to have over-estimated regarding Belize).
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I think it more likely it was convenient for them to blame him for it.
"Hey, we have this dead guy. We don't want to work. Hey, his neighbor told us to eat shit the other day... why don't we just throw it on him?"
Sounds about right (Score:2)
I think your theory is probably spot on. It is more likely than the police specifically killing the neighbor, that's just useful...
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No, he most likely killed someone and is trying to fool everyone into thinking it's political. There is a chance he's merely a raving lunatic who actually didn't kill his neighbor, but there is essentially ZERO chance that the government killed his neighbor just to set him up.
Different countries have different legals systems and different ways to formally charge someone. In the US McAfee would have been charged already even though the investigation was not fully completed, but Belize may have a legal syst
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It's still enough of a suspicion to want to question him. If the US does not extradite him or allow questioning on US soil, then McAfee has essentially purchased legal freedoms that average citizens can not.
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The whole issue of Belize wanting McAfee from the start was a farce; he didn't pay his protection money and they wanted to hurt/kill him. End of story.
The proof of this will to be seen in nothing whatsoever happening to McAfee on his return to the U.S. They have no proof against him and can't request to extradite someone just because he made them look like fools.
The whole story is a cautionary tale about living in places where corruption of the government is rampant.
If corrupt Belize government officials are behind this couldn't they just, you know, fake some evidence? Witnesses, forensics, etc.
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US has extradition treaty with Belize
He wasn't extradited, he was deported.
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You have things a bit backwards. Belize is the country that was charging him with a crime. They're expelling him as an undesireable person. Extradition would only come into it if he were in the US and Belize wanted him handed over.
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I don't know about the United States but quite a number of countries have laws which forbid extraditing their own citizens.
The United States isn't one of them. And he'll never be extradited because if there is probable cause that McAfee was involved in the murder (which would be needed for an extradition request), he would be charged in the US for it since the victim was a US citizen.
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quite a number of countries have laws which forbid extraditing their own citizens.
Not so many apparently [wikipedia.org] (Jurisdiction/Own nationals).
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why they'd be deporting him if he was on line to be charged with murder?
the local police just wanted him out, due to the local police fucking up a search.
Re:More baggage than an airport terminal (Score:5, Informative)
I hate it you don't have a sense of humor.
Seriously, it was an ex wife joke, lighten up.
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innocent until proven guilty (Score:5, Insightful)
The public's cynical reaction to Mcafee is strong proof that we need "innocent until guilty," protection now more than ever in this world.
If you presume innocence for a moment, the things that have been happening to Mcafee look like tragedies that no one would wish on any human being.
Last I checked being strange doesn't automatically make you guilty of a crime.
Let's check the facts; Belize authorities have said they don't suspect him of being involved in the crime, there is no warrant for his arrest, and that they just want to question him. However, they were willing to go so far as to demand his extradition from Guatemala and get Interpol involved. And, if you watch the interview of Mcafee on youtube where he is being arrested, the Interpol agents all turned away in shame and faced away from the camera man. If this doesn't sound fishy to anyone else, I'm at a loss of words.
Something isn't right here. And, I for one feel bad for this man and what he has had to endure.
Also, he's not a billionaire, and never was.
And, various folks on forums and youtube are angry at his antivirus and saying it's good that this is happening to him because of their personal vendettas against his software. I'd like to point out he left the company in 1994 before Windows 95 came out, while the application was still on running on Microsoft DOS. For you kids who aren't aware, Mcafee antivirus was one of the best antivirus softwares available for DOS at the time. The fact that current management (Intel) drove the AV maker into the ground has nothing to do with the original founder. And, his character shouldn't be prematurely judged for your personal experiences with that piece of software.
Regarding, his drug habits, he's admitted to these but explained that he's been clean for more than a decade now. This may or may not be true, but it has nothing to do the extradition requests from Belize. Also, various forums are accusing him of being a coke head but he wasn't, he was experimenting with bath salts. He discovered that the form that he had invented on Belize make women sexually excited, hence the large group of women that were interested in him. If anything, this guy might have discovered a cure for frigidity.
Perform some research yourself on this guy and his predicament before you write vitriol or slander about him. If it were me in the same situation, I wouldn't want to be crucified by the public like he has been.
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Fleeing equally bolsters his own account (Score:3)
Sorry, but fleeing to the border raises my eyebrows.
If you really thought the police were going to kill you, why would you ever let them hold you? In fact the only logical action would be to leave the country by any means possible.
To me his leaving the border does not make it any more or less likely that he killed someone because it matches equally well with his theory they planned to kill him.
Compounded with the fact that we know Belize has a fairly corrupt government and I find it lots easier to believe
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I think the part also about him faking the loss of this fortune and leaving the USA to avoid a wrongful death lawsuit also suggests that he is not terribly trustworthy.
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That theory that they plan to kill him is illogical. They could have killed him at any time. Why wait until someone else kills his neighbor before pouncing? If it was the government who did the killing then what's the point of killing his neighbor just to be able to kill McAfee later? Yes, McAfee is paranoid and unstable, so it does make sense that he'd run even if he wasn't he culprit. Belize isn't going to kill him though they do want to put him in jail.
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He's innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. That doesn't mean I have to or necessarily should assume he's innocent.
Except that it absolutely does, at least in the United States.
We have a Republic, with elected officials, including some levels of law enforcement of judges, with other elected officials appointing those judges who aren't elected.
If we the people throw innocent until proven guilty out the window, you can be damned sure our politicians will only pay lip service to it - and instead, appoint 'tough on crime' tools in lieu of impartial justices, all for the sake of getting our votes.
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Someone mod this up!
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He is definitely guilty of running from justice.
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You've managed to paint a very rosy picture. I especially like claiming that he may have cured frigidity. Everything you said could possibly be true, but the alternative theory is MUCH simpler:
1. He's a drug addict who's been out of touch with reality for a prolonged time
2. He shot and killed his neighbor in some kind of argument (or perceived threat due to drug use and being paranoid)
3. He fled the scene of the crime to avoid being charged with murder and going to jail
We have murdering drug addicts doing
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That's an assumption on your part - not a fact. There is a difference.
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Last I checked being strange doesn't automatically make you guilty of a crime.
Oh, thank god! Whew. You had me nervous there for a second.
I was afraid that a good chunk of the Slashdot readership would be brought up on charges.
Thank you McAfee (Score:5, Funny)
for a few weeks of some of the funniest shit a celeb has done in quite awhile.
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If I were the board of McAffee Holding, Inc (or however they are registered) I wou
Asshole != Murderer (Score:2)
I could be wrong, but his pictures and actions to me just say "justified asshole".
I agree with that but it's a huge leap from there to him killing anyone.
If it were a case of a "justified asshole" killing someone and being sure he could get away with it just through buying off police, there would be some evidence against him since he would not have cared about leaving any. The police have none.
It's a much smaller leap to imagine someone was trying to frame him and using violence to do so, say whoever shot
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He's not just an asshole, the guy probably has brain damage from his experimental enhanced bath salts, he's clearly paranoid. Ok, maybe eccentric but I'll put my money on actual insanity.
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for a few weeks of some of the funniest shit a celeb has done in quite awhile.
I think we're all gonna miss McAfee since it looks like it's Lohan's turn at bat. Fingers crossed McAfee tried to claim political asylum when Belize wants his ass back.
What about Sam? (Score:3)
What about Sam [whoismcafee.com], the Belizean chick a fourth of his age who followed him all along? Is she going to get kicked back to Belize?
His troubles may be only beginning. (Score:4, Informative)
The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking, money laundering, and terrorism offenses. The Treaty is self-executing.
The Treaty provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking the testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; locating or identifying persons; serving documents; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes;executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to immobilization and forfeiture of assets, restitution to the victims of crime and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the State from whom the assistance is requested.
I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Treaty, and give its advice and consent to ratification.
GEORGE W. BUSH.
TREATY WITH BELIZE ON MUTUAL LEGAL ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS [oas.org]
This tiny nation of only 280,000 people does seem to draw a surprising number of fugitives. They come here ''for the same reasons as the tourists,'' says Gerald Westby, Belize's police commissioner. ''It's English-speaking and close to Mexico.'' Some try to blend in with vacationers on sun-drenched coastal islands like Ambergris Cay, and others...try to find sanctuary in the jungle. They also appear to find comfort in the poverty (hence, their money goes further) and lawlessness (figuring they won't be a priority for local cops). Belize City is a violent place, currently suffering from a rash of ''pedal by'' shootings--executions by gunmen on bicycles.
Belize signed an extradition treaty with the United States in 2000, but officials are often quite willing to expedite a deportation instead of the lengthy extradition process. ''Belize is very close to being one of the most cooperative Central American nations,'' says James Schield, chief of international investigations for the U.S. Marshals Service.
Trouble in Paradise : U.S. fugitives may think they can hide in Belize, but here's the untold story of how some get caught [usnews.com]
Cooperation on this level works both ways. If Belize wants McAfee they will very likely get him.
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Until he gets on a plane to Britain where he is also a citizen.
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Until he gets on a plane to Britain where he is also a citizen.
You can run but you can't hide.
Territories designated under part 2 are non-EU members of the European Convention on Extradition; or the London Scheme for Extradition within the Commonwealt; or else they are parties to bilateral extradition treaties with the UK. The countries involved are:
Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, The Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize....
Extradition from the UK: Extradition Act 2003 - part 2 [homeoffice.gov.uk]
cellmate for Bradley? (Score:2)
soon the Miami airport systems will slow down (Score:2)
soon the Miami airport systems will slow down when mcafee is dumped on to them.
Lets all remember (Score:2, Funny)
that if there ever is a trial, it will last only 30 days.
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is he allowed nag reminder pop ups in the courtroom?
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of course, but nobody gonna click. glad you got it.
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that if there ever is a trial, it will last only 30 days.
Luckily Guatamala has finally figured out how to remove McAfee from their system.
The man likes Sushi, what can we say? (Score:1)
"I'm just going to hang in Miami for a while. I like Miami," he told Reuters by telephone just before his plane left. "There is a great sushi place there and I really like sushi." [reuters.com]
OH. NO. YOU DINNINT!!!! (Score:2)
When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no job history. You're stuck in whatever city they decide to dump you in.
Which one's Bruce Campbell ?
Timeline (Score:2)
Handy McAfee Timeline [wecheck.org]
Is anyone holding? (Score:2)
McAfee's first thought on disembarking: "Great, now where am I supposed to find a drug dealer in Miami?"
Answers are numerous (Score:5, Insightful)
If he knew the Belizian government to be corrupt and dangerous for years... then why did he continue living in Belize?
Because the benefits outweighed the costs until recently:
1) He liked to use drugs and it was much easier to get Belize police to look the other way.
2) He had a much greater access to women, he basically had a harem. It does not seem like he could find that many women willing to accommodate him in the U.S, at least not without paying them a lot of money.
Basically the answer is some guys will put up with a lot of crap for the sake of drugs & women.
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So...it's pretty much like all efforts of all men and all systems of government through all human history?
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So...it's pretty much like all efforts of all men and all systems of government through all human history?
Except for those men living in the basement of their parent's home...
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Some like daughters, some like mothers, some don't see any reason why they should look farther than their own.
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How many countries can you name that have governments that are not? ("corrupt and dangerous")