Canonical Announcing Ubuntu Tablet Tomorrow? 121
hypnosec writes "Canonical has a countdown on its site that indicates a possible tablet announcement tomorrow. With the Ubuntu Touch developer preview launching this week, the announcement about a tablet or at least an operating system for a tablet from Canonical has, it seems, taken a backseat. From the countdown that reads "Tick, tock, tablet time!" it is evident that Canonical is going to make some announcement about tablets tomorrow."
It is medication time! (Score:1)
When they say "Tablet" they mean "Pill".
Excellent News! (Score:5, Funny)
Since the Ubuntu tablet will not have 'keys' in a physical sense; being a largely featureless slab of glass on the front just like everything else on the market, Canonical is pleased and proud to announce that 'keystrokes' will not be transmitted directly to valued advertising partners!
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Debian (Score:1)
Can it be stripped and installed with Debian Linux?
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Can it be stripped and installed with Debian Linux?
...and will we want it to? I wasn't aware of Debian having resonable touch support (but TBH, I really don't know). How are the specs? How open is the hardware? Assuming reasonable specs, and open hardware drivers (and that's assuming a LOT), I'd like to see KDE Plasma Active on it.
I'd also like to see if Canonical can produce a usable tablet. I'm not a huge fan of Unity, but I'm willing to be impressed if they can make something impressive. Ball's in your court, Canonical.
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Plasma Active, Nemo, Cordia HD etc are all just touch screen environments running on top of the ruins of Meego.
There's nothing stopping anyone repackaging those rpms as debs. Which is probably Canonical's starting point, plus a Unity skin.
As for hardware, aren't they using the Google Nexus devices for developer images, i.e. Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4 for phones and Nexus 7 for tablets?
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And yet when people used it on the Nexus 7 it was horrendous as a touch interface.
Dead last (Score:5, Interesting)
I hope they will come up with some reason for the consumer to go out and buy an Ubuntu tablet. As things are, the competition is pretty strong. Android and iOS have all bases covered, with hundreds of thousands of applications, and with several years on the market, and with millions of deployed devices, and with the user base trained.
Sight unseen, I'd say that an Ubuntu tablet may not even win against a Windows 8 tablet. It still may be that Ubuntu people have some bright idea that hasn't occurred to Apple and Google, but that is not very likely. Price-wise, they are competing with a free OS (Android) that Google spends millions on in R&D, and with finished tablets that can be had for under $100.
Re:Dead last (Score:4, Interesting)
That's true if we think of the market in terms of dollars, everyone who's prepared to pay $499 for a tablet already owns one. If we look at the market in terms of number of users and potential users I think we'll find that more than 95% of everyone in the world does not yet own a tablet. Even if we limit ourselves to the 2.5 billion or so people who have a high enough income that they could potentially invest in a cheap tablet I bet more than 2 billion of them don't yet own one. All those people have yet to be trained to use iOS or Android on a tablet, and most of them probably don't even own a smartphone yet.
Mark Shuttleworth has said that they're primarily targeting consumers in the developing world and corporations/organizations in the developed world, which sounds like a viable plan to me if they can execute it. My doubts revolve around Canonical's ability to deliver a decent version of their OS (both from a consumer perspective and from an app developer perspective) in a timely manner, before the market has been completely saturated by cheap Android tablets and perhaps a cheap version of the iPad. I think it's more likely that it will take them several years to get to where the OS is competitive with Android and by then it will surely be too late.
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Mark Shuttleworth has said that they're primarily targeting consumers in the developing world and corporations/organizations in the developed world
Android is free. The $99 that you pay for a low end tablet is all going to the manufacturer, to pay for the hardware. How will a different and less popular OS make it cheaper? What can you offer in UNIX/Linux that you cannot offer on Android? Why would you build a tablet application for Unity (using what?) and target hundreds of customers if you can build an A
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In the low end market it's not the price of the OS that determines which phone is cheaper, it's how lightweight the OS plus apps are. If you can make an OS that runs better than the competition on last year's mid-range hardware you can deliver a fast and modern experience at a lower price. If you could deliver something as compelling as the Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Nexus 10 experiences (albeit with lower resolution displays) on last year's hardware you could begin to gain market shares in the low end market.
As I s
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Mark Shuttleworth has said that they're primarily targeting consumers in the developing world and corporations/organizations in the developed world, which sounds like a viable plan to me if they can execute it.
What part of that sounds like viable? To me it sounds like OLPC for tablets, except they think to make a profit on it. Is there any track record of a "poor man's device" succeeding in computers or small electronics? I'm thinking razor thin margins and extreme need for volume to drive unit price down, exactly what a large incumbent industry is made for like the dumb phones Nokia has been pounding out billions of. This is a lot more on the hardware side, a huge Android manufacturer thinking "If I order the ch
Re:Dead last (Score:4, Interesting)
I think there's a market for a 'real' Linux OS on a mobile device. The N800 sold like crazy for how available it was, and people still covet them. It's not a huge market, but I think it's there.
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The extent to which they lock it down and make a Canonical Store the sole vehicle for loading QML app$ onto the device will determine its appeal.
As long as it's a standard ARM-based distro that one can run, say, GIMP and emacs under E17 (via external inputs and display) then everyone should be happy. But if it's akin to Windows RT, where only store-purchased apps can run then it's appeal is limited.
For the impatient ones (Score:5, Funny)
Re:For the impatient ones (Score:5, Funny)
Uh oh. Problems.
It has rounded corners.
Open hardware? (Score:4, Insightful)
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The most exciting thing about an Ubuntu tablet would be if it means open source drivers for all the hardware.
It doesn't. It's gonna be a typical ARM SoC with blob drivers.
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What keylogger? (Score:1)
What keylogger will they be running on this one?
It's one thing to have ubuntu on a tablet (Score:3)
but it's another thing to have an interface that will work on it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen a style blueprint for ubuntu phones/tablets interface yet, only that it'll run on QT. Personally, I'd like a full gnu/linux stack on a phone (and I use the N900), but I just don't see how Canonical are going to compress the years of tinkering done by apple, android and maemo to make a consistent touch-friendly interface that works on a small device. I'm ready to be surprised, but I think most of us are going to be disappointed.
I think Jolla looks promising, although they've a lot to prove, and at the moment there is way more hype and vapour than substance.
HTC has same countdown (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.htc.com/us/ [htc.com]
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Nope, shows the same time for me.
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Mine shows htc 3 minutes ahead of Canonical. WTF?
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Does the green '1' in the countdown have any significance?
Green makes me think Android.
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It seems that HTC One press release photo has been leaked [techcrunch.com]. So the green 1 probably hints to that.
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Most Ubuntu users won't need it (Score:2, Funny)
they already had their desktop crippled into a near-useless tablet by Unity
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You know, it is trivial to use something other than Unity on Ubuntu.
There are also kubuntu and xubuntu if you want to start with something else from the get go.
I use xfce myself.
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it is not trivial if you start with Unity, it leaves shitsta^h^h^h^h^h^h artifacts that screw up better desktops. since they're focusing on their tabletly UI and not better desktops, better to change the underlying distro too.
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1) sudo apt-get install gdm gnome-shell synaptic deborphan
2) When prompted, select gdm as default. Then reboot.
3) sudo apt-get remove unity unity-2d unity-2d-common unity-2d-panel unity-2d-shell unity-2d-spread unity-asset-pool unity-common unity-lens-applications unity-lens-files unity-lens-music unity-lens-video unity-lens-shopping unity-scope-musicstores unity-scope-video-remote unity-services indicator-messages indicator-status-provider-mc5 appmenu-qt appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 lightdm unity-greeter overl
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wrong, you forgot to remove those artifact files in home directories I mentioned, your desktop will have quirks
Tablet (Score:2)
Here I was hoping that it meant they were finally going to take their medication, and cure themselves of the disease that has given us Unity, Shopping Lens and other mistakes of the last couple of years.
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If you don't like Unity on the PC, you don't have to use it.
Announcing tomorrow, question mark? (Score:3, Funny)
Dear submitter,
Had you bothered to go actually look at the countdown timer, you would have seen the words "Tick, tock, tablet time!" in large print right there in front of your face, and you would have known to end the title of your summary with a period instead of a question mark, and avoided the whole "let me go make myself look like an ass on Slashdot" thing.
Thank you for your time.
What does Gabe think? (Score:1)
Re:Will they just go away? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have mod points, but dude you are a bonafide coward! Why are they giving Linux a bad name? I use Ubuntu all the time, and if anything they are making Linux usable. If you don't like that, fine, don't like it. Use another distribution. What is wonderful about Linux is that you don't have to like Ubuntu, because there is CHOICE! Think about that! Choice! Do we have choice with OSX? Windows? NO, NO and NO!
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I have mod points, but dude you are a bonafide coward! Why are they giving Linux a bad name? I use Ubuntu all the time, and if anything they are making Linux usable.
Does "usable" have to mean "shady invasive crap"?
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/02/18/1652242/mark-shuttleworth-addresses-ubuntu-privacy-issues [slashdot.org]
I used to appreciate Ubuntu (well, Kubuntu), but I really just wish another powerhouse distro would come along and take the banner for awhile. Preferably still based on Debian, but not necessary.
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Does "usable" have to mean "shady invasive crap"?
Google does pretty much the same thing across almost the entire web thanks to google analytics and nobody cares.
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In fact, contrary to your claim many people care. This is why Ghostery/NoScript/etc exist. Nice deflection though, shill.
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None of my websites use google analytics. None of my computers accept cookies for them, and I block them in my hosts files.
There are people who care.
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Annnnnd that is the reason you don't get any traffic.
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We get lots of traffic, but thanks for playing.
Re:Will they just go away? (Score:5, Insightful)
wish another powerhouse distro would come along and take the banner for awhile
You speak of Mint.
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Which will work up until Mint needs funds to continue its existence.
Re:Will they just go away? (Score:5, Interesting)
Mint has a pretty decent income, they bring in thousands every month and publish their incomes and amounts on their website. Mint is financially supported and probably wouldn't exist if it were not a commercial distribution.
Re:Will they just go away? (Score:4, Insightful)
When that time comes, I would hope they do what Ubuntu started to do and ask for donations. I think it would have worked pretty well for Canonical if they hadn't killed any good will with the Amazon crap. I'd actually be quite interested which approach got them more money. Long term, I would think donations would win out.
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You have to realise that this is all about moral purity, which is why Richard Stallman is treated like royalty and entrepreneurs like dirt.
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Not sure I get what the problem with that is. The distro I use will likely never be able to hire a full-time developer, and yet it is a strong following. Not making money isn't a bug.
Sure, it would be nice to have the manpower to just go it alone and build whatever you want, but often this tends to make distros turn out like, well, Ubuntu.
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I used to appreciate Ubuntu (well, Kubuntu), but I really just wish another powerhouse distro would come along and take the banner for awhile. Preferably still based on Debian, but not necessary.
So how about something like, uhhhh, Debian?
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I have mod points, but dude you are a bonafide coward! Why are they giving Linux a bad name?
Because they think that including spyware is a good business plan. Now ask how.
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I have mod points, but dude you are a bonafide coward! Why are they giving Linux a bad name? I use Ubuntu all the time, and if anything they are making Linux usable. If you don't like that, fine, don't like it. Use another distribution. What is wonderful about Linux is that you don't have to like Ubuntu, because there is CHOICE! Think about that! Choice! Do we have choice with OSX? Windows? NO, NO and NO!
Sure there is choice, I can for example abandon OS X for Windows OR Linux (Hint: That's two choices). There is a world outside Linux-land there is a world outside Wiindows-land and there is a world outside OS X land and you are allowed to travel between them.
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Travel great distances, you mean. There is no other intraconnected, uniformly expanding 'land' like Linux.
©anoni©al won't work, they're still FOSS (Score:5, Insightful)
To be honest, I'm not much of a fan of Ubuntu anymore and that for many of the standard reasons cited here on Slashdot. That being said, I do not understand the ire which comes out every time anything is posted about Ubuntu. I dislike Shuttleworth as much as the next guy, and I think they deserve criticism for the recent privacy issues, but lately it seems like they receive the sort of comments here that used to include "M$". I keep waiting for someone to start complaining about anonial.* I guess it just doesn't look as cool.
*(Ah. I see. When I clicked preview, I discovered that the cent signs I used for Canonical don't display on Slashdot. Having tried to use other unicode characters, I should have known better. That explains why people who enjoy making a sport of hating Ubuntu haven't used it.)
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Whatever Shuttleworth does now, however shitty Unity is right now, I'll always remember my amazement in winter 2005 when I first tried Hoary Live CD.
That was the first Linux i tried where sound/network worked out of the box.
This guy invested millions in this cool project, and I had a blast using Ubuntu Desktop/Server/JeOS during many years.
Linux Mint wouldn't be exist without Ubuntu.
So thank you Mark!
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That being said, I do not understand the ire which comes out every time anything is posted about Ubuntu.
I think the fear (one which I share) is over the mainstreaming of Linux.
Right now if you want to make your software available on Linux you need to either support many platforms, or more ideally just offer a source tarball. You get your applications from your distro.
If one Linux distro really takes off then you might find more and more applications that are binary-only linked against the libraries that particular distro uses. Suddenly you end up with less choice, because many parties would rather do it tha
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I think that if that were going to happen, it would have by now. Debian would have taken over, or Ubuntu, or Red Hat. But, instead, the success of each has had a ripple effect, as each works to imitate and/or provide alternatives to whatever bells and whistles are working for one of them this week. In other words, the GPL has provided a level playing field for competition, and there's no reason to think it won't continue to do so. The success of any given distro can't be entirely de-linked from the success
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I think that if that were going to happen, it would have by now. Debian would have taken over, or Ubuntu, or Red Hat. But, instead, the success of each has had a ripple effect, as each works to imitate and/or provide alternatives to whatever bells and whistles are working for one of them this week.
Yup. My concern was more with the whole "don't abandon Ubuntu - at least they're popularizing linux" bit. I'm not sure I want to see any one distro get a huge majority of the install base. In my mind a distro being popular is the best reason not to use it - it keeps the ecosystem healthy.
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Well you're right in one aspect.
Ubuntu gave me the choice to run fast away to Linux Mint.
In all seriousness. 'having choice' in general is something
that is supposed to be BENEFICIAL to a customer in such
a way as to keep that customer and keep them happy.
Ubuntu is one of the execptions where 'having a choice',
as you so obligingly put it, means a kick in the groin.
Thanks for your time.
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Ubuntu put a useless GUI on the main distribution, out-pacing even Microsoft Windows 8 in the race to the bottom, and also invasive crapware adware spyware. They put untested bleeding edge crap into their works.
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Timba his arms wide. (Score:1)
Tell me more about these "community-maintained distribution"s.
What ones are best?
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Re:Will they just go away? (Score:5, Insightful)
They're giving linux a bad name.
And accelerating FOSS adoption in a huge rate.
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Yeah, Linux market share has gone from .8% in 2006 to .95% in 2012. OMG!!!!
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This is completely true. Ubuntu should not be a vanity project and Mark Shuttleworth should not have to pay out of his own pocket to keep it relevant. Ubuntu needs to find ways to make consistent cashflow while remaining free-to-use.
All of this snidery is coming from people who don't understand that not everyone want to hand compile their own OS and don't think Richard Stallman is the Second Coming.
And the mentioning of Slackware just goes to show that Ubuntu is being treated like a pariah. Slackware is out
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All of this snidery is coming from people who don't understand that not everyone want to hand compile their own OS and don't think Richard Stallman is the Second Coming.
It isn't that they don't understand - it is that they don't care. They also don't care if Linux ever gains market share or becomes self-funding. They care that it works for them, and for others like them.
The challenge will be if Ubuntu actually makes it more practical to make binary-only software/drivers/etc for Linux that it may become harder to run pure open-source, as many companies that release driver source now might stop doing so. That could lead to a lot of forking and re-inventing the wheel, and
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If it runs Unity then run for the hills. Seriously, how many users did they lose with that ugliness?
Not me. It's still Linux and I can still install window managers on top of Unity.
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... unfortunately many of us had to. The good news is that I finally got around to devoting attention to setting up KDE the way I like it. That's the nice part about KDE; you can make it it perfect.
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I totally agree, and I loved my customized KDE 3.5.
But right now, with a job and a kid, I'm just not going to invest countless hours (days?) trying to make sense of every menu entry in KDE 4.x.
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Unity already supports linux as of version 4.0.
Oh -- you mean that shitty flashy interface thing; not the game engine.
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"If it runs Unity then run for the hills. Seriously, how many users did they lose with that ugliness?"
All the users who didn't know how easy it is to have more than one Desktop Environment on Linux
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"If it runs Unity then run for the hills. Seriously, how many users did they lose with that ugliness?"
All the users who didn't know how easy it is to have more than one Desktop Environment on Linux
Yes, I know you can run other Desktop Environments and have used multiple ones. But the point is that the poor decision making and general direction of the project made me look for another distro that better matched what I wanted.
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Zero in my family, actually. My Mom, son, and I still use Gnome (with Gnome panel), and my wife thinks Unity is great. (Then again she married me, so you already know she has strange preferences.)
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ParityNews is just a regurgitation blog, anyway.
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Actually, that's pretty funny.
Because when you visit the Ubuntu sites,
you'll be hard pressed to find any mention
of (the word) Linux.
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