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Team Oracle Penalized For America's Cup Rules Violations 190

Posted by Soulskill
from the boat-tried-to-install-Ask-Toolbar-to-the-ocean dept.
whoever57 writes "On Saturday, Oracle Team USA and Team New Zealand will begin racing for the America's Cup in the amazing AC72 boats. However, the Oracle team starts with a significant handicap. It was recently discovered that members of Oracle Team USA made illegal changes to the boats used in the America's Cup Series (which is sailed in the smaller AC45 boats). After a hearing on Friday, the International Jury has decided on the penalty: Team Oracle will have to pay a fine and sail without some team members. More significantly, they lose two points before starting the America's Cup races against Team New Zealand. A tiny amount of weight had been added to the kingpost, in violation of the measurement rules for the class. This was reported to the measurement committee some weeks ago after its discovery by boatbuilders working for America's Cup Regatta Management (ACRM), not members of Oracle Team USA."
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Team Oracle Penalized For America's Cup Rules Violations

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  • Wow (Score:5, Funny)

    by ArchieBunker (132337) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:00PM (#44753077) Homepage

    I'm sure all six of the fans who watch this race are shocked.

    • by MightyYar (622222)

      Given that NASCAR brings in people by the hundreds of thousands, I think that lack of popularity does not necessarily detract from the Americas Cup.

    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)

      by BLKMGK (34057) <morejunk4meNO@SPAMhotmail.com> on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:58PM (#44753331) Homepage Journal

      Actually i watched some of the races in the run up to the cup and found it pretty interesting. The boats are sailing at as high as 50MPH with hulls nearly fully out of the water. There's tons of telemetry and the announcers are doing a decent job of explaining what's going on - it's actually fun to watch and you can see it takes a great deal of skill. Scoff if you want but I for one found it interesting, adding all of this telemetry really does add to it I think. It helps too that the boats are so damned advanced and fast!

      • by wanax (46819)

        The boats are incredible, but it's not sailing in any accessible aspect. I love sailing sunfishes on lake morey, or bigger boats on lake champlain (and I know enough about my skill level to avoid of wider waters like the Sound). But what they're doing now is so totally foreign to everybody who's ever sailed a boat... I've watched a few of the 'challenger races' and I could scarcely tell what direction the wind was coming due to the airfoils (they have to both tack coming upwind and gibe going downwind) exce

        • by PortHaven (242123)

          No it's not....

          It is all the same concepts with the exception of the ability to hydrofoil. But present day Moths (1930's design revised numerous times) have been running hydrofoils for a while now. Hard sails are decades old too.

          Heck, there are folks hydrofoiling old lasers now. And the rest of the action is not really different than ancient catamaran designs.

        • by Creedo (548980)
          Well, it may be far more technical than most people get, but I wouldn't say that it's "totally foreign." I also sail Sunfish, I'm not a racer myself, but I'm familiar with the lengths some of the catamaran sailors around here go to wring the most competitive advantage from their boats. These guys just spend WAY more time and money on it than a regular sailor could ever dream of.
          Dammit, now I'll never get any work done today. I'll be thinking about sailing all afternoon.
    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)

      by deathguppie (768263) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @02:09AM (#44753883)

      The America's cup is watched by millions. Team costs per syndicate are in the hundreds of millions making Indie racing or formula 1 a joke in comparison. What's more it is the least regulated form of racing (current situation not incumbering) of all the professional racing sports. 30 years ago they were racing mono-hull sailboats pounding through small waves. Now they are racing multihulls that litterally lift off the water on wings going faster than the traffic on the golden gate bridge and almost leaving the speed boats that trail them in the dust.
      From my personal experience sailing a boat over 25knts the splashes start to feel like pebbles and then rocks hitting you.. the intensity of having a vehicle of that size moving at that speed is akin to taking Caterpillar 797 through a downhill from Pikes peak. It's amazing and a great sport at any level.

      • Re:Wow (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @05:13AM (#44754389)

        Not sure where you get your information about funding for Formula 1 from, but its bollocks, whilst the teams do not publish specific breakdowns at line item level, they spend a LOT of money every single year.

        Even six years ago the teams were spending a fortune each year, See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One#Revenue_and_profits for some sort of general idea,

        The current estimate of Red Bull racing is they are spending in excess of $295M/year every year.

        http://www.hindustantimes.com/motor-sports/topstories/The-bonkers-business-logic-of-Formula-1-teams/SP-Article1-968466.aspx

        A simple Google search shows more details.

        So in conclusion, the Americas cup is run every three years and costs around $100M to mount a challenge, a top F1 team spends approx $300M per year every year so spends $900M in the same timescale.

        Simply put F1 costs around 9x per year than the Americas Cup. Yep you were talking bollocks.

        • by tragedy (27079)

          Of course, an America's cup team does one challenge with one vehicle in that time frame. As far as I can tell, team Red Bull runs two vehicles and at least ten challenges a year, so they run 60 races in in the time an America's Cup team runs one. So, even if they spend nine times more in total in the same time frame, they're spending less than 1/6th as much per race. Ultimately, you can view it pretty much any way you want and say that one outspends the other per this or that. Car racing is, obviously, bigg

      • Re:Wow (Score:4, Insightful)

        by argStyopa (232550) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @07:50AM (#44754965) Journal

        America's cup is watched by millions....barely.
        http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2013/08/21/tiny-audience-for-americas-cup-tv.html [bizjournals.com]

        The semifinals are averaging 50-80,000 viewers.
        The races just off San Francisco with the most effete/trendy/hipster crowd imaginable, averaged 800-900,000.

        This is somewhere around the ratings received by NBC's "Last Call" at midnight.

        This is a marginal sport irrelevant to 99.9999% of the population, and in which the only participants are giant conglomerates or kajillionaires. Granted, formula one racing, etc are likewise only for the big-money teams, but pretty much everyone drives. Sailing as a regular activity is already a marginal sport performed only by the tiniest rind of enthusiasts, that 'pro sailing' is like the margin of the margin of the margin. I don't doubt that it takes tremendous ability, intelligence, and teamwork. It's just that the bulk of us can neither see it nor appreciate it if we could.

    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Solandri (704621) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @03:01AM (#44754005)
      While it's regarded as a rich man's sport, the race has been a major driving force behind research into the use and manufacture of carbon fiber composite structures, and methods for determining computational solutions for the Navier-Stokes equation [wikipedia.org] (which is still unsolved, and is not even known if there is/isn't an algorithmic solution). The race creates an incentive for the super-rich to become early adopters of these technologies. Without the race they'd probably piss their money away on gold toilet seats or who could make the biggest megayacht. At least this way they're spending money on advancing the state of the art for technologies which will eventually benefit you and me.
      • by dkf (304284)

        the Navier-Stokes equation [wikipedia.org] (which is still unsolved, and is not even known if there is/isn't an algorithmic solution)

        The Navier-Stokes equation is strongly non-linear, so it's entirely expected that there are going to be very few exact algorithmic solutions (and most of those that exist are for cases where the non-linear terms are zero). The general problems with determining exact solutions to non-linear equations have been known for a long time in mathematics.

        On the other hand, it does mean that turbulent flow is not about to become a boring subject to study.

    • They wont know about it they are still stuck in the sand box :D
    • They wont even know about it because they're all stuck in the sand box
  • Explanation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wbr1 (2538558) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:01PM (#44753083)

    A tiny amount of weight had been added to the kingpost, in violation of the measurement rules for the class.

    So that is where Larry Ellison hid the pennies he hears from ask.com toolbar spam on the Java installer.

    • by wbr1 (2538558)
      earns* dammit, stupid autocorrect
    • by guttentag (313541)

      So that is where Larry Ellison hid the pennies he hears from ask.com toolbar spam on the Java installer.

      Ironically, TFA has an ad on the sidebar that exhorts the reader to install a "Customized Toolbar for Serious Sailors" by the site that is hosting TFA. The ad seems to move around, so if you're having trouble locating it, here's the gif itself [sail-world.com]. I wonder if Ellison has this toolbar installed... being a serious sailor and all.

      • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

        You visited a random link without AdBlock? Eww. That's like sleeping with some random bint you met in a pub without a condom. You could catch all sorts as nasty things!

    • by SeaFox (739806)

      Not quite, I think this is related, though.

      Apparently the shipbuilders for Oracle's boat didn't see the little checkbox to turn off "Install Kingpost PC (personal craft) speedup" before they agreed to the blueprints.

  • by JohnA (131062) <johnanderson&gmail,com> on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:10PM (#44753123) Homepage

    Oracle is planning to sue the America's Cup team for violating their patents on "Boat API v1.0"... that'll teach them to build a boat using standard terms like hull, sail, and rudder!

  • by cold fjord (826450)

    Somebody on Team Larry isn't going to get a bonus this year.

  • "miniscule" (Score:5, Funny)

    by girlintraining (1395911) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:13PM (#44753141)

    Okay, from what I'm reading here, this sounds like a gross over-reaction and a lot of rich old people taking shit way, way, way too seriously -- over an apparent lead weight added to some doo-hicky mc-shippy thing which if I spent the next several hours orgasming over the idea of captaining an overly-expensive boat with no practical application other than being a giant penis floating through the waves, I might understand the function of.

    Such as it is though, I'm a computer geek, and the only thing I understand is performance. And everything I've read is that the change was tiny, and would probably have less effect on the performance of the ship than whether one of the teammates ate at McDonald's and forgot to crap after. No, I'm perfectly serious -- it seems that all this hub-a-bub amounts to someone having nailed a few ounces of metal to some part of the ship and it would have next to no impact on the ship's performance. So from an engineering and sport performance perspective... it's a tempest in a teapot.

    So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

    It's like NASCAR finding out that someone used windex to clean the windshield instead of the pre-approved isopropyl alcohol mix and deciding it was cheating, that NASCAR's reputation was ruined, and the only way to fix it would be to put the driver and the entire pit team out for a good public flogging while the guy with the jet pack flies over head carrying an American flag hung upside down and a long banner saying "You assholes! You killed it for everyone."

    Fucking rich people. If it were me, I'd say screw it, build a submarine, and go out there and play Jaws with their rich-ass ships, sinking all of them one by one while Ride of the Valkyries played from giant water-proof speakers... because if there's one thing I hate more than people taking themselves too seriously, it's taking themselves too seriously and being rich pompous bastards while doing it. -_-

    Oracle... you heard it here first: Build a U-boat and go sink those rich asshats.

    • Re:"miniscule" (Score:4, Insightful)

      by whoever57 (658626) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:27PM (#44753193) Journal

      it seems that all this hub-a-bub amounts to someone having nailed a few ounces of metal to some part of the ship and it would have next to no impact on the ship's performance. So from an engineering and sport performance perspective... it's a tempest in a teapot.

      That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome of a race.

      So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

      Last year, actually. It was an AC45 that was modified. These boats have been racing for over a year and are effectively a one-design class. This wasn't an accidental rule violation. This was weight added deliberately:

      And:

      Oracle... you heard it here first: Build a U-boat and go sink those rich asshats.

      In this competition, Oracle are the richest of the rich asshats.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage
        would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome
        of a race.

        Oracle are playing down the advantage it would give, and the local
        media are lapping up that spin. Obviously if you are going to risk
        your career over such a move (and make no mistake, the tampering is
        no minor issue, look up the water ballast fiasco of a few years ago,
        in the sport these guys are now the equivalent of Lance Armstrong)
        you'd be damn sure in your mind that the advantage

      • by adolf (21054) <flodadolf@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @12:36AM (#44753511) Journal

        Thank you for the linked citation. Your posting is exemplary in ways that many others fail.

        I note one obvious problem with your citation: Therein, it is proclaimed that there are fans of Oracle.

        Who are these "fans"? Please elaborate.

      • Re:"miniscule" (Score:5, Informative)

        by deathguppie (768263) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @02:34AM (#44753941)

        The "king post" is what keeps the bow sprit from moving aft when pressure from the sail is added to it. The only reason for adding weight to it in this situation is if the bow happened to be rising to quickly. The rules imply that any wing shape added to the keel/centerboard must stay in the same angle/plane for the duration of the race. Designers skipped this rule by creating a moveable lifting plane on the bow of the boat. Tilting this plane lifts the boat up off of the water. However, this is a balancing act. It takes a lot of skill and design compitence to create and run one of these rigs. The NZ team was the first to figure out the cheat, and everyone else has been playing catch up. Team Oracles boat designed by Paul Burke, was not designed with the lifting planes originally intended. In this case some of the team members took it upon themselves to level the feild by adding weight to keep the bows from popping up to quickly and losing control of when they would and would not plane on the hydrofoils. It is a bit picky, but those people involved knew well what they were doing and went through lengths to cover it up. If they had just put a hunk of lead up there, judges would probably just have said "hey you can't do that".. but instead it was found buried purposely put there. That is pretty much willfull defiance of the rules. I'm an american shipwright from the northwest where these boats are built, so I'm definately on the US side.. but I see the significance of the decision, both ways.

      • by lxs (131946)

        That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome of a race.

        It doesn't matter. It's the rules and rules are to be obeyed at all cost. That's what's so great about sports. It's like an old peoples home for authoritarian blowhards.

      • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

        That is the most puzzling part of this: why? any advantage would be far too small to make any difference to the outcome of a race.

        Rules in competitive sport have to be strictly enforced or teams would simply try to get away with all sorts of things and then argue that they have no real effect. F1 suffers from that to some degree, although it used to be worse than it is now.

    • by MightyYar (622222)

      I think you pretty much have the gist of it - the speculation is that the weight replaced an instrument package or something else that was hanging there before. It was 5 lbs - less effect than an inch or two of a crewman's buttock on the rail.

      That said, I'll remind you that rich "asshats" pretty much own all sports teams. NASCAR may have humble origins, but the teams are now owned by people who could just as well build a yacht.

    • by BLKMGK (34057)

      These boats are heavily heavily instrumented and tested - it was also not just one boat. I think that maybe they figured out that doing this was an advantage of some sort and thought they could get away with it. It's being made to sound really miniscule but one cannot help but wonder why they did it and then even denied having done it after being caught.

      It's a cool race to watch and these boats seriously fly. When i watched the Oracle boat was stomping another boat pretty good and had a multiple knot advant

      • by TheCarp (96830)

        These boats are heavily heavily instrumented and tested - it was also not just one boat. I think that maybe they figured out that doing this was an advantage of some sort and thought they could get away with it. It's being made to sound really miniscule but one cannot help but wonder why they did it and then even denied having done it after being caught.

        True but, boats are not designed by their crew either. Crew are typically not engineers, and its not unheard of for people in general to become convinced th

    • by kermidge (2221646)

      Nice. America's Cup has long had, and had a reputation for, arcane rules. Just as for the Formula cars, Indy, etc., the rules are meant to offer two things, a level playing field, and yet room for engineering and technical innovation and the manner in which the vehicle is driven within the rules that give that level field. A similar approach is done for smaller class boats but the rules are much simpler.

      It's all supposed to boil down to how well one can design and build a boat (that's matched evenly with

      • by whoever57 (658626)

        It's all supposed to boil down to how well one can design and build a boat (that's matched evenly with others) and then how well can one sail it.

        The AC45 class (the type of boat in which this rule violation occurred) is supposed to be a manufacturer-supplied one-design boat. In this class, it should come down to only how well the boats are sailed -- the boats themselves should be identical.

      • by Creedo (548980)

        Yet one may readily and enjoyably participate in small class boat races at a local sailing club, often for no more money than just showing up and offering to crew.

        There are even racing boats designed to be built for little money, yet still offering rules for competition. My personal favorite is the Puddle Duck Racer [pdracer.com].

    • by timeOday (582209)

      Okay, from what I'm reading here, this sounds like a gross over-reaction and a lot of rich old people taking shit way, way, way too seriously --

      Have you heard about the covenants in gated communities? (Hope you don't want to ride a scooter! [islandpacket.com]) You are talking about a bunch of rich guys. Their self-appointed function in life is to tell other people what to do, because they know better. The Augusta National golf club just started admitting blacks in 1990 and women just last year [nytimes.com]. Let us ponder on that

    • So why the angry rich people hating on Oracle? As far as I can tell, They're angry and running about calling it "cheating" over what appears to be a simple case of not understanding the horribly dense and overly-complicated rules, in a new ship class that just debuted this year.

      Well... As mentioned in this article [nytimes.com]:

      The America’s Cup, dating to 1851, might be both the oldest and quirkiest trophy competition in international sports. The winner of the trophy gets to set the parameters for the next competition — when, where and what kind of boats. There is no governing body to guide regularity.

      Ellison won in Valencia, Spain, in 2010, ...

      Therefore, Larry Ellison - aka Oracle - gets to make the rules, which they, themselves, then violated... Kind of a dick move, even for Larry. Or perhaps I'm incorrect; in any case, the America's Cup is a just very rich sport for very rich people who, apparently, have nothing better on which to spend their time and money.

    • by sjames (1099) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @03:21AM (#44754061) Homepage

      Even among rich asshats Oracle and Ellison stand out as rich asshats.,/p

    • by oobayly (1056050)

      Funnily enough, I think the reaction is spot on. Sailing has always been a self-penalising sport - if you infringe somebody you do your penalty turns (or whatever is in the instructions), otherwise you end up in a protest and that eats into valuable drinking time. It sends out a message that there is zero space for cheating.

      Such as it is though, I'm a computer geek, and the only thing I understand is performance. And everything I've read is that the change was tiny, and would probably have less effect on the performance of the ship than whether one of the teammates ate at McDonald's and forgot to crap after. No, I'm perfectly serious -- it seems that all this hub-a-bub amounts to someone having nailed a few ounces of metal to some part of the ship and it would have next to no impact on the ship's performance. So from an engineering and sport performance perspective... it's a tempest in a teapot.

      As for the performance, I can see why you think extra weight is a bad thing, and normally it is, however putting it forward is (almost) always performance enhancing - when racing we have

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      Well, it's possible that I misunderstood some stuff I read in the article about the augmented graphics being used in America's Cup in IEEE Spectrum [slashdot.org], but I think this is why (excerpt from linked article):

      Although it is among the oldest of sporting events, the Americaâ(TM)s Cup has embraced change far more quickly than other major sports, because each winning team takes over not just the trophy but the event itself. It can change the venue and type of boat, redefine the course, and completely rewrite the rules for the competition, with the agreement of the challenger. For example, racers used enormous and costly J-class yachts, typically about 38 meters in length, in the 1930s, then switched to the smaller and cheaper 12-meter class of boats, typically about 20 meters long, after World War II.

      In this yearâ(TM)s contest, Oracle Team USA, founded by software billionaire Larry Ellison, is the defender of the Americaâ(TM)s Cup. (As of mid-July, the challenge races among teams from Italy, New Zealand, and Sweden were under way.) A brash entrepreneur whose database company disrupted business computing in the 1980s and who is today the head of the worldâ(TM)s third-largest software vendor (behind only Microsoft and IBM), Ellison isnâ(TM)t shy about betting big on new technologies. So itâ(TM)s no surprise that Ellisonâ(TM)s Americaâ(TM)s Cup defense will introduce the most radical changes ever.

      This year's America's Cup has the most stringent requirements EVAR and therefore it's exceptionally offensive to see the people who penned the requirements fuck them up.

    • That Oracle is already guaranteed a position in the America's Cup race. So cheating doesn't really make a darn difference for them. The series was to pick the challenger.

      But now here is what I think really happened. The America's Cup is not as tightly specified. They could add that weight if they wanted. I wager that someone on the team was experimenting with a theory on weight balance. Trying to see if having weight further up in the bow or amidships made any improvements.

      This was unlikely to heve been d

  • by Fnord666 (889225) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:18PM (#44753165) Journal
    How do I moderate an article as off topic?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by cold fjord (826450)

      Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down, or don't post in it if it becomes a story on the front page.

      • by whoever57 (658626)

        Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down,

        Submitter here. Based on this submission, I don't think voting makes a difference. It went from submission to front page so quickly that few people could have voted on it.

        • by c0lo (1497653)

          Two choices. Get it while it is in the submission queue and vote it down,

          Submitter here. Based on this submission, I don't think voting makes a difference. It went from submission to front page so quickly that few people could have voted on it.

          Possible explanation: slow new day, Soulskill must do something to earn his living, but... do you really expect her/him to start searching for more relevant news?

  • by jesseck (942036) on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @11:27PM (#44753199)
    The only thing cool about this article is the pictures of the sailboats in the linked stories. Especially the one about the "Amazing AC72 Boats". I didn't realize a sailboat could get up out of the water like that- that is some impressive engineering.
  • America's Cup [wikipedia.org]

    The history and prestige associated with the America's Cup attracts not only the world's top sailors and yacht designers but also the involvement of wealthy entrepreneurs and sponsors. It is a test not only of sailing skill and boat and sail design, but also of fund-raising and management skills.

    It's still sailing at its best and sailing is one of the most graceful and productive things we've ever done. The yachts are elegant, no matter your hatred for the rich who own and sail them.

    • by c0lo (1497653)

      America's Cup [wikipedia.org]

      The history and prestige associated with the America's Cup attracts not only the world's top sailors and yacht designers but also the involvement of wealthy entrepreneurs and sponsors. It is a test not only of sailing skill and boat and sail design, but also of fund-raising and management skills.

      It's still sailing at its best and sailing is one of the most graceful and productive things we've ever done. The yachts are elegant, no matter your hatred for the rich who own and sail them.

      If you are speaking of the yachts in this race, I tend to agree. If you are speaking of yachts in general... I find some utterly ugly [google.com].

    • by BLKMGK (34057)

      Can be fairly dangerous too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRW21FubyY4 [youtube.com]

      These boats have hit 50MPH on the water - not KNOTS, MPH! That's some pretty serious speed from just the wind. Really interesting stuff I think ad I'm far from a boater.

    • by PPH (736903)

      I prefer one design racing. Not so dependent on outspending your opponents, since everyone gets the same boats. So it comes down to selecting a team, training, tactics, etc.

      • by PortHaven (242123)

        Hey goofball...

        Larry Ellison brought it back to one-design. That's what the AC45/AC72 are all about. After the last foreign winner tried to create a monstrosity. (Actually it was a rather nifty monohull design) and then Mr. Ellison stepped in with his trimarand.

        So Larry Ellison did you a big favor by returning to a standardized class.

        FYI, not sure what if this was cheating or testing. Oracle is already in the America's Cup race. So nothing to be gained by cheating. I think they were trying to see how weight

  • We've started calling Solaris "Yacht OS" in our IT department.

  • A friend who played lacrosse in college had this to say: "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'".

    • Eddie Guerrero to be specific. Other sayings they have about cheating include "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat.", "If at first you don't succeed, cheat.", "Anything worth fighting for is worth cheating for.", and "I cheat because I care"
  • Is it possible to give a negative fuck about something?

    At any rate, I care this much -->

    What, you can't see that? Here it is magnified several thousand times:

    • Is it possible to give a negative fuck about something?

      You cared enough to post instead of just moving along to the next article. Sorry if this one didn't interest you, your lordship, I'm sure the editors will try harder to please thee next time.

  • It's par for the course.

    Isn't this the same country that technically cheated with the advanced hull micro line hull treatment that won the cup back in the 1980s?

  • If a yacht is penalized in the America's Cup races, and no one gives enough of a shit to notice, does it still make Larry Ellison cry like a greedy, emotional, hypercompetitive asshole?

  • They thought it was like database metrics. If you can't win weight the results.
  • ..after all, isn't this what they've done with Java and MySQL?

  • As long as they post details of their modifications so the community can incorporate them into their own yachts, I don't see what the problem is.
  • by Animats (122034) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @03:21AM (#44754059) Homepage

    San Francisco's hosting of this event was a big mistake. For an event that consists of two boats going round and round some can buoys, it seems to require way too much infrastructure. A mile of the San Francisco waterfront is full of Americas Cup tents, towers, and related crap.

  • Full jury decision (Score:3, Informative)

    by Berre (709145) on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @06:18AM (#44754597)
    The full jury decision (including details of the modification) can be found here: http://noticeboard.americascup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/JN117.pdf [americascup.com]
  • So just like their benchmarks then? ;-)

    I keed, I keed.

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