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US Forces Undertake Two African Raids, Capture Embassy Bombing Figure 229

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CNN reports that two separate U.S. military operations have taken place this weekend in Africa; the first in Tripoli, the second in Somalia. "In the earlier raid, U.S. forces captured Abu Anas al Libi, an al Qaeda operative wanted for his role in the deadly 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. In the second raid, a team of U.S. Navy SEALs in southern Somalia targeted the top leader of Al-Shabaab, a terrorist group linked with al Qaeda." According to the report, it's unclear for now whether the second of these attempts was successful. Unsurprisingly, the Libyan raid has raised the ire of the interim government there, which has objected to the U.S. arrest and removal of al Libi (to an undisclosed placed outside of Libya) as a kidnapping.
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US Forces Undertake Two African Raids, Capture Embassy Bombing Figure

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  • News for Nerds? Really?

    • by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @11:39AM (#45051003) Homepage Journal

      More bullshit superpower propaganda lies, from the United Snakes.

      Two Failed U.S. Raids

      Yesterday two U.S. raids attempted to abduct a man in Libya and a man in Somalia. The raid in Libya did get the target but already has some bad impacts for the Libyan government. The raid in Somalia, by so called elite SEAL forces, failed completely.

      The raid in Libya caught [libyaherald.com] one Abu Anas Al-Libi, accused in connection with the bombing of a U.S. embassy in Kenia some 15 years ago. It also killed some 15 Libyan soldiers. The man, one Abu Anas Al-Libi, has lived away from Libya and came back after U.S. and NATO forces waged war against the Libyan government under Ghaddafi. He seems to have lived quite openly [nytimes.com] in the capitol Tripoli:

      His brother Nabih told The Associated Press that just after dawn prayers on Saturday, three vehicles full of armed men approached Abu Anas’s home and surrounded him as he parked his car. The men smashed his window, seized his gun and sped away with him, the brother said.

      The raid will surely lead to some controversies [libyaherald.com]:

      CNN said that the Libyan government knew the raid was being carried out. This has been denied today by the government, which has posted a statement on its Facebook page, saying it knows nothing about the reported seizure. It went to to say that it had contacted the US “for clarification”.

      The various gangs that are the now the major powers in Libya will see this raid as (another) attack on Libya's sovereignty. Some major blowback against the interim government and other targets can be expected. There was already a tribal response against the government but the only mentioning of it is buried deep in the 25th paragraph of the NYT version [nytimes.com] of the story:

      The capture of Abu Anas also coincided with a fierce gunfight that killed 15 Libyan soldiers at a checkpoint in a neighborhood southeast of Tripoli, near the traditional home of Abu Anas’s clan.

      Some "coincidence" ...

      The botched raid in Somalia was on a beach house allegedly used by the local Al Shaabab jihadists. The raid was first reported [garoweonline.com] by locals and then by the Al Shaabab itself:

      Sheikh Abdulaziz Abu Musab, spokesman for Al Shabaab’s military wing, confirmed the raid and disclosed in a recorded press statement that the militants “repelled a midnight raid by white infidel soldiers”.

      Abu Musab said: "We fought back against the white infidel soldiers with bombs and bullets, and they ran back to their boats. One member of Al Shabaab was killed and the white infidel soldiers failed their mission. We found blood and equipment near the coast in the morning,” he added in a recorded press statement posted on militant websites.

      There was a lot of confusion [reuters.com] about this raid and it took nearly a day until the U.S. confirmed that it forces had been beaten back. At one time the NYT and Fox News said that a senior Shabaab boss was killed while NBC said he was captured and AP said he was not found. This reminds one of all the propaganda claims made about the Bin Laden raid. This time though we will immediately know for sure as the book about this SEAL raid

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        How about posting the source for your bullshit?

        Might it be Moon of Alabama?

        The same site running stories about how Iran is not enriching uranium, but rather is producing nanodiamonds?

        http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/11/on-nuclear-iran-allegations-nanodiamonds-aint-nuclear-bombs.html [moonofalabama.org]

        Do you really think we are that stupid?

        You must think we are complete idiots.

        • by Zumbs (1241138) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @12:08PM (#45051189) Homepage

          Hint: Try to scroll to the end of the post.

          • by amiga3D (567632)

            I did. It seems the poster was right about the source even without reading the link. Good guess?

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Eunuchswear (210685)

          How about posting the source for your bullshit?

          Might it be Moon of Alabama?

          Maybe CNN?

          But the mission didn't go as planned. A fierce firefight broke out, and the Americans had to withdraw -- not knowing if the person they were trying to get was dead or alive.

          http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/05/world/africa/somalia-us-shabaab-raid/index.html [cnn.com]

          The Libyan interim government called the U.S. capture a kidnapping and has requested an explanation from Washington about the raid,

          http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/06/world/africa/us-forces-africa-terrorist-raids/ [cnn.com]

          (Nice URL there CNN: :"US Forces Africa Terrorist Raid".)

        • The same site running stories about how Iran is not enriching uranium, but rather is producing nanodiamonds?

          Zero points for reading comprehension, Eric.

          The claim is that Iran is enriching uranium (as they say themselves) and producing nanondiamonds (which would be why they are working with an expert in the production of nanodiamonds).

          And, or, not. The basics of logic. Maybe they escape you,

        • by rtb61 (674572)

          It makes no difference. Success or failure, it means the US is going back to the core principles of justice, obtain evidence, capture and put on trial and present the evidence, thus proving the validity of laws. Bending international law (bending when there are no reasonable extradition laws) along the in unfortunate but acceptable as long as the pursuit of justice is the goal, that being proof of necessity of action in a court of law. This is far, far better than randomly firing missiles from drones and s

      • On wonders what the Obama administration wants to achieve with such raids.

        My current hypothesis is that Obama's foreign policy is a mix of 'gut feeling,' manipulation by other parties, and random chance.

        In this case, the Kenyan government probably asked for help, Obama's gut feeling was to feel sorry for them and help them (it's just police work, right?), and didn't pay any attention to the list of people to be captured. Some people in the Kenyan (or even US) government decided it was a good chance to go take him out, and added the guy in Libya to the list.

      • by phantomfive (622387) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @12:05PM (#45051155) Journal

        On wonders what the Obama administration wants to achieve with such raids.

        Since Obama is Kenyan he was just looking for any excuse to help out the Kenyan government. We can see a parallel here in that Bush invaded Iraq solely because he is Kurdish. :)

      • by AmiMoJo (196126) * <mojo@@@world3...net> on Sunday October 06, 2013 @12:18PM (#45051249) Homepage

        That's the BBC is reporting it [bbc.co.uk] too. I first heard about it on BBC radio where the report was that unknown forces, either US or French, got their asses kicked and had to flee after Al Shaabab got wind of the attack and prepared for it. Equipment and blood found on the beeches.

        It's hard to see how the US claim that Anas al-Liby is "lawfully detained" can be true either, since clearly they didn't have authorization to kidnap him from Libya and they won't reveal where he is. He would be either in a POW camp or civilian prison, but they won't say where he is which seems to be code for "we took him somewhere to be tortured", going by past activities.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by benjfowler (239527)

          Interesting how while the enemy lost a guy, they still painted it as a victory overall.

          So how do you define 'winning' and 'losing' in this situation?

          Like with terrorism in general, they win by not losing; we lose by not winning.

          • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

            The US mission failed in its objective and the attack was repelled with minimal losses. We don't know if any US forces were killed, but it seems that one was at least injured.

          • by malkavian (9512)

            Winning would be getting in, achieving the objective and getting out without making an international incident out of it, or giving the opponent a chance to stir things up and look strong (they didn't capture a leader, just a soldier who was glad to die for the cause, and will now be in 'heaven' with his fourty virgins, or whatever is promised).. The eyes of the world suddenly look America's way (hot on the heels of the international disbelief that the USA can be held to ransom internally by a hard line fac

          • by khallow (566160)

            So how do you define 'winning' and 'losing' in this situation?

            Like with terrorism in general, they win by not losing; we lose by not winning.

            Welcome to asymmetric warfare and propaganda. Either one on its own would explain this.

      • But what is obvious is that this attack by SEAL personal by boat was somehow detected and responded to with heavy fire. The SEALs were said to had to call in helicopters and they had to retreat under fire.

        Sounds like the SEALS ran in to the same problem as the French "Service Action" unit - Al Shabaab are seen by most Somalis as the legitimate government, foreign forces are invaders. If you hear funny noises in the night it might be Nazi parachutists so you tell the local bobby.

      • Wrong; Abdul-Hamed al-Ruqai was captured, the other raid as of right now its not clear if they captured the target. As for "lies", and the "United Snakes" comment; its clear where your sympathies lie, so, fuck off.
        • by gaspyy (514539)

          The second raid failed, it's pretty clear by now. What do you want, confirmation from the US government that the SEAL forces had to withdraw? You'll never hear it. They'll redefine 'success' and say the mission was successful.

        • by AK Marc (707885)
          Someone who has his sympathies lie with the US servicemen and their families is apparently traitor.
          • by Luckyo (1726890)

            If you want to be an utter dick about it and turn things on their head, then let me throw you another claim that is just as idiotic as yours:

            When these US servicemen perform an act of terrorism on foreign soil, those who sympathize with them are terrorist sympathizers. Not sure how their families got drawn into it as they weren't a part of it in any shape or form.

      • Yeah, US news sources are totally full of shit but news from Al Shabaab is totally trustworthy. I don't trust US news sources either but you're a fucking idiot if you believe anything that Al Shabaab says. This report is probably the most accurate one you're going to get: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24420767 [bbc.co.uk]. On a final note, any news that comes out immediately after an event is usually total bullshit no matter who it comes from. It takes a while before enough information is developed from mu

    • Did the D.O.D. use Robots? Did they use Linux? Will this be in Battle Field 5? No? Yawn.
    • Stuff That Matters (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sjbe (173966) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @12:56PM (#45051535)

      News for Nerds? Really?

      Forgetting the Stuff That Matters are we? Last time I checked geopolitics and military strikes affect nerds as much as they affect anyone else. Plus are you seriously going to claim that nerds have no interest in special operations warfare?

    • by corbettw (214229)

      Yes, this is news for nerds. Some of us actually give a shit about what happens in the wider world, too.

  • Unsurprisingly?? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 06, 2013 @11:54AM (#45051093)

    I'd rather say "understandably" or "unexpectedly", because the Libyan government has every right to be pissed off.

    What happens when an elite Iraqi commando enters the US and "arrests" prominent terrorist and war criminal Donald Rumsfeld, killing 15 secret service agents in the process?

    The way it's written, this is an insulting propaganda piece.

    • by quantaman (517394)

      I'd rather say "understandably" or "unexpectedly", because the Libyan government has every right to be pissed off.

      What happens when an elite Iraqi commando enters the US and "arrests" prominent terrorist and war criminal Donald Rumsfeld, killing 15 secret service agents in the process?

      The way it's written, this is an insulting propaganda piece.

      A better metaphor would be Cuban commandos entering the US to arrest Luis Posada Carriles [wikipedia.org] who committed a bunch of terrorist bombings in Cuba with support from the Cuban American National Foundation (CANF) and had some interactions with the CIA.

      No one claims that Abu Anas ab Libi was a past or present member of the Libyan government, but he did have supporters in the Government and it's not certain how anxious they were to arrest him themselves.

      The Somalia situation is a little different as I think the Soma

    • by l0n3s0m3phr34k (2613107) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @03:17PM (#45052491)
      that would be amazing! Here, take Cheney and Bush too while your here! Thanks! Do you need your parking validated?
    • What happens when an elite Iraqi commando enters the US and "arrests" prominent terrorist and war criminal Donald Rumsfeld,

      Celebration? Oh, oh, that was a rhetorical question.

  • Denial (Score:5, Funny)

    by PPH (736903) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @11:56AM (#45051107)

    It couldn't have been the USA. We're closed for business until further notice.

    • Ah, but just the other day . . . the Pentagon called back their furloughed civilian workers . . . I guess they were needed for something . . .

      • by slick7 (1703596)
        Maybe they want to go after the terrorists in D.C., that would be worth all the tax money taken from the American people.
      • Re:Denial (Score:4, Insightful)

        by BeerCat (685972) on Sunday October 06, 2013 @01:00PM (#45051559) Homepage

        Seems like a pretty drastic way to break the budget deadlock.

        Since paying DoD civilian employees was given a big thumbs up, it shows that there can be some agreement. Provided it is in a few, well defined, areas.

        The next thing looming is the debt ceiling on the 17th. What better way to get it raised than "we urgently need to spend some $ on a quick military action". Bingo. Support given wholeheartedly "to retain the US military superiority" or somesuch, the debt ceiling is also raised. Job done.

    • If you go to http://www.usa.gov/shutdown.shtml [usa.gov] you will see these blatant violations of international law are continuing as "Essential Services".

  • by Anonymous Coward

    And he got the Nobel peace prize . What a phoney prize.

  • So what, he bombed two embassies back in '98? Just let it go guys, he's not worth holding a grudge for 15 years.

    • More like CIA bases, and since the CIA doesn't get public validation they nurse their private grudges. These operations should nicely rekindle things to create a long overdue retaliatory attack on US soil, which will really liven up some careers at Langley.
  • Were the strikes based on the interviews with the suspect in the mainstream media [cnn.com] over the course of the last year since the attack occurred?

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