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An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla today officially launched Firefox 29 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. This is a massive release: Firefox Sync has been revamped and is now powered by Firefox Accounts, there's a new customization mode, and the company's major user interface overhaul Australis has finally arrived. 'The tabs are sleek and smooth to help you navigate the Web faster. It’s easy to see what tab you’re currently visiting and the other tabs fade into the background to be less of a distraction when you’re not using them. The Firefox menu has moved to the right corner of the toolbar and puts all your browser controls in one place. The menu includes a “Customize” tool that transforms Firefox into a powerful customization mode where you can add or move any feature, service or add-on.' Here are the full release notes and a demo video."
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Firefox 29: Redesign

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  • more downgrades (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:03PM (#46869461)

    Firefox becomes less usable and less configurable with each release. Might as well use Chrome at this point, it's virtually indistinguishable.

    • According to the video you can select the icons and menus you want to display in the toolbar... that include all the addons/plugins/extensions too. What customization has been dropped?
      • All lies (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:17PM (#46869623)

        These: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=13350353&sid=cee01d7621130bd32543a5154b4419c9#p13350353

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Ducho_CWB (900642)

          These: http://forums.mozillazine.org/... [mozillazine.org]

          One can summarize as
          "The Firefox has been REMOVED. You will have to find an add-on that restores functionality."

          • Firefox changed "A" to "X", and instead of saying: "A" was better because all these reasons, you are saying: Where is my "A"? How can I restore "A" again? These are not valid objections.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:19PM (#46869647)

        According to the video you can select the icons and menus you want to display in the toolbar... that include all the addons/plugins/extensions too. What customization has been dropped?

        How about a status bar? :)

        Seriously, UX folks, just stop.

        Your profession's insistence on itself has destroyed Digg, Flickr, Yahoo's message boards, Yahoo's email interface, Slashdot, Firefox, GNOME, and even Windows 8.

        Your profession is a cancer upon this industry worse than marketing.

        • by znrt (2424692) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:30PM (#46869753)

          you're just not ready for a future dominated by retards.
          but resistance is futile. you will be UXed.

        • by houstonbofh (602064) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:42PM (#46869927)
          Can't wait for Cinnafox and FireMate forks! Why do design guys always want to follow everyone else? For a while, everyone made a car that looked like a Honda. And that helped Honda. Suddenly these new cars come out that do not look like Honda and they do very well. Now it is Follow the Chrome. Guess what? If people want a browser to look like Chrome, they will download... (Wait for it) Fucking Chrome! This UI fascination with playing "Hide the Menus" is not appreciated. And much like the infamous "Hide the print button" Microsoft played with the original Office ribbon, guess what is back?
          • Because most of these designers do not have any idea on how to create a good interface (beautiful and functional), so they prefer the security of mimicking the "chieftains" of design (the famous designers). That usually works, except when the chieftains are also without any idea of what works or not.
        • by Grishnakh (216268)

          Idiocracy is coming, whether you want it or not. Might as well get used to it.

      • by rudy_wayne (414635) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:29PM (#46869751)

        According to the video you can select the icons and menus you want to display in the toolbar... that include all the addons/plugins/extensions too. What customization has been dropped?

        The video is deliberately misleading and the claim of "a powerful customization mode where you can add or move any feature" is a complete lie.

        A few examples:

        Tabs On Top -- No thanks, I want my tabs below the URL bar, where God intended them to be. First, they removed the menu item a while back. No problem, I can just go into about:config and change it. But just removing the menu item and burying the setting in about:config isn't enough. With Australis, even if you go into about:config and change the setting, it does nothing. Firefox says: Fuck You. You're getting Tabs On Top whether you like it or not.

        There are only 2 toolbars - Menu bar and Bookmarks toolbar. No more Add-On Bar, which means the Status Bar Extension doesn't work because there's no place to put it. Firefox says: You want a Status Bar? Fuck You. Sure there's probably some hidden fiddling you can do to work around the problem, but that just proves my point -- A user should not have to spend copious amounts of effort just to restore the standard and expected UI.

        In Australis the Back and Forward buttons are now glued to the URL Bar, so you can't arrange your buttons any way you like. The Reload Button has been replaced with a swirly arrow that is glued to the far right side of the URL Bar and can't be moved, and the Stop Button is gone completely. Want text labels with your buttons? Firefox says: Fuck you.

        There's a lot more, but I give up. If I wanted a browser with a lousy UI that can't be changed, I would use Internet Explorer or Chrome.

        Just as I feared -- Firefox has joined the growing list of applications that can never be updated because the new version sucks.

        • by compro01 (777531) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:48PM (#46869989)

          You might like the Classic Theme Restorer [mozilla.org] addon. Tabs back down, multiple bars, back/forward separated and arbitrarily movable, reload next to them, addon bar back at the bottom, and text labels on everything.

          • by Xest (935314)

            I want to thank you for this, it makes Firefox 29 usable again.

            But part of me wonders if I'm missing the point, if they're so intent on breaking it then might I as well just move browsers now? If I'm having to rely on addons to make a browser work then am I not just sat precariously one step away from Mozilla deciding that addon is unacceptable and cancelling it anyway?

            Perhaps it's time for a browser move regardless of the fact this exists, but again, thank you all the same, at least it buys me time to figu

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Arkh89 (2870391)

          Tabs On Top -- No thanks, I want my tabs below the URL bar, where God intended them to be.

          That's because you are not using your brain. It makes strictly NO SENSE to have the address bar on top of the tab bar. For each tab in the bar, I expect the info of the particular page to be WITHIN the tab not somewhere else (like, on top).

          And, on a side note, I hate the fact that the searches are common to all tab on the same basis as previously.

        • by fustakrakich (1673220) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @03:16PM (#46871007) Journal

          For a traditional UI in Mozilla plus all the other goodies you miss, Look no further [seamonkey-project.org]

      • by Xest (935314) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:01PM (#46870213)

        According to the video... great, well, I just updated and tried it. Turns out my tabs now have a dark grey background with black text which is completely and utterly unreadable. I managed to get my title and menu bar back, but my status bar appears to have permanently fucked off. I'd like to imagine given that we have a great big ad here on Slashdot about how awesomely customisable it is that I can do something about the horrendously shit dark grey background that is too close to the black of the tab text, but I'll be damned if I can see any option whatsoever to actually do that.

        But here's a better question, why rather than a browser update working for me, making things better, does it instead mean I have to dick around figuring out how to make it work like it's always worked and like I want it to work? Why do I have to fear updates wondering what the fuck they've broken now, or what the hell I'm going to have to get used to this time?

    • by Cenan (1892902)

      I would, if Chrome supported a NoScript type plugin.

      • by gstoddart (321705)

        Well, it's called ScriptSafe, and I'm running it right now.

        It certainly does exist.

      • Re:more downgrades (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jfengel (409917) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:30PM (#46869755) Homepage Journal

        I run with NoScript on Firefox, and unfortunately I'm finding more and more web sites are unusable without Javascript enabled not just for them (and the cloud provider, who could be serving up god-knows-what) but for zillions of "partners". I don't know what those partners are providing, either: probably mostly ancillary crap but the page won't render until it's downloaded.

        I keep a NoScripted Firefox for any time I'm visiting web sites that I don't know beforehand; if they don't render then I don't need it that badly. But on my work computers, where I'm browsing only sites that I have reason to believe have things I need and aren't too terribly likely to be hijacked, I've found I just had to turn NoScript off.

        That sucks, because the fact is that the vast majority of sites do shit with Javascript that the site would be just plain better off without. I don't object to their need to earn a living by feeding me ads, which is why I don't run with an ad blocker, but Javascript is very easy to abuse, and too many of them create abusive design.

      • Re:more downgrades (Score:5, Informative)

        by rudy_wayne (414635) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:36PM (#46869837)

        I would, if Chrome supported a NoScript type plugin.

        Actually Chrome allows you to selectively disable Javascript by domain. Chrome's only good feature and a feature that I wish Firefox would copy.

        NoScript blocks all Javascript by default and forces you to manually whitelist everything. Unfortunately, that's now the exact opposite of what we need. NoScript was created back in the old days when you could completely disable Javascript and most websites would still mostly work. Now, more and more sites won't load at all -- you literally get a blank page -- without Javascript.

        • Re:more downgrades (Score:4, Informative)

          by ChronoReverse (858838) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:41PM (#46869905)
          There's a called YesScript that lets you do that in Firefox. Extensions is still the reason why I use Firefox/Pale Moon.

          If you don't like Australis, there's an extension to make Firefox look like classic. If you think the Australis buttons are too large (like me) then you can install an extension to make them smaller.
    • FireFox with the self-destructing cookies plugin is the first Android browser I've found with a cookie-management system that seems to be designed for users and not for advertisers. I tried one of the early versions of FireFox for Android and wasn't impressed, but the latest ones are very nice. I've now switched to using it as the default browser for my phone.
    • Re:more downgrades (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Arker (91948) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:31PM (#46869769) Homepage
      "Firefox becomes less usable and less configurable with each release. "

      True, and it not just configurability. It's been on a persistent and unshakeable course of deteriorating functionality and usability for years. Even sticking to the long-term releases and avoiding the newest breakage it's still awful and obviously only getting worse. I think there is a real need for a fork of firefox and a sane team to maintain it, and I would be happy to contribute to some form of crowdfunding to bring it about, but...

      "Might as well use Chrome at this point, it's virtually indistinguishable."

      Sorry, I still think you are off-base here. As horrid as Firefox has become, it still has a ways to go before it can compete with Chrome for worst browser. It still uses the file system more-or-less correctly, and it's still possible (with extensions, at least) to disable javascript properly.

      Firefox is horrible but it's still the best general purpose browser available, that's what makes the whole situation so horrific. If there were any other browser that were better I would be happy to switch, but these days it seems they all aspire to become adware just like chrome.
      • Re:more downgrades (Score:4, Informative)

        by StarFace (13336) * on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:42PM (#46869931) Homepage

        Have a look at SeaMonkey. It is the way Firefox used to be before it all started to go to shit when Chrome came out. It is as far as I know, the last real browser being maintained, since Opera died.

        You get extension compatibility with FF, too.

  • by V for Vendetta (1204898) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:07PM (#46869493)

    For those that want the old GUI back: Classic Theme Restorer [mozilla.org].

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I'm just about over it. Now I need something like 10 different add-ons and a shitload of about:config editing just to get it back to square one. Honestly, if firefox has made any improvements since the 3.x series, I don't know what they are. All I see is regressions. OK, maybe the security is better. That's one point for firefox, and 100 points against.

      We need a new "phoenix" -- one that I can simply install and begin using, not one that I need to work for hours on before using.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:33PM (#46869809)

        "if firefox has made any improvements since the 3.x series, I don't know what they are."
        Like, pretty much anything that is not visible at first glance? Standards support, memory management, add-on handling, JavaScript performance, responsiveness, developer tools, networking, etc

    • sudo apt-mark hold firefox firefox-locale-en

      that's my fix.

      fuck you, firefox. your 'upgrades' have broken so much over time and costed me 'fix it back again, time' that I'm done with your upgrades.

      I'll take my chances with security bugs; I prefer that problem to your endless 'change for change sake' attitude.

      I value my plugins on FF and I will not risk losing any more time having to re-fix what you guys broke.

      • Please use the ESR version, that'd be nicer and you wouldn't be encouraging the noobs to not update their software for fixes of security faults.

  • All,... I,.... want,.... is,.... an,.... expletive,.... web,.... browser!

    Seriously, I just want to access web pages, I want to think about the browser itself as little as possible.
    • by rasmusbr (2186518)

      All,... I,.... want,.... is,.... an,.... expletive,.... web,.... browser!

      Seriously, I just want to access web pages, I want to think about the browser itself as little as possible.

      Try surf. It meets and exceeds your requirements by also being able to follow links!

      http://surf.suckless.org/ [suckless.org]

  • Then I'm not interested. Seriously, chrome has gotten me way to lazy in this regard. And FF has frustrated me on this since (and yes, I know there is an add-on).

    • by sjbe (173966) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:17PM (#46869615)

      You can search in the address bar. I do it all the time. No special add-ons needed either. It will search your default search engine very similar to Chrome. Why they have an additional search bar I don't really know. I never use it because I don't need to.

      • by _bug_ (112702) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:33PM (#46869813) Journal

        Type a single-word search query into the address bar in Firefox. Instead of searching for the word right away the browser attempts a DNS lookup. With the search bar that DNS lookup step is removed. For the more privacy-conscious this is an important thing. Especially if you've got an ISP that redirects a failed DNS response to their own search engine.

        • by Mathieu Lutfy (69)

          You can also use custom keywords with Bookmarks:
          http://kb.mozillazine.org/Usin... [mozillazine.org]

          I alias google to "g", so when I want to search, i just type in the location bar: "g these are my search terms".

          It's also practical to do Google searches in specific languages. For example, I use "ge" for google-english, "gf" for google-french, etc.

          • by whois (27479)

            If you begin a search with the question mark it doesn't do a DNS lookup, it just sends it straight to search.

            So searching for:

            ?these are my search terms

            does what you want.

      • by houghi (78078) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:54PM (#46870113)

        You don't, but I do. I do not have a 'default' search engine that I use. The ones I use are google, google images(1), KickAssTorrent, ImDB, Debian Packages, ThePirateBay, Wikipedia and a pron search engine.

        So to me a search is not always the same thing I am searchning for. Guessing, I would say Google itself would be 3 or 4 in what I use.

        This is not saying what I do is worse or better. It is just explaining why they have an additional search bar, as you did not know.

        (1) I have added &sout=1&tbs=isz:lt,islt:4mp to the search result, so I get images that are large enough to be wallpapers and shown in the old fashioned way,

      • by clickety6 (141178) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:34PM (#46870567)

        You can search in the address bar.

        You can piss in a sink too... doesn't mean using one facility for two different functions is a good thing.

        • You can piss in a sink too... doesn't mean using one facility for two different functions is a good thing.

          I brush my teeth in the toilet, you insensitive clod!

    • by TheCarp (96830)

      Thats funny because I found not only that firefox does this by default....but I can thankfully disable this terrible feature. The one thing I have NEVER EVER wanted when I type into an address bar....is to have it do a search. In fact, if I type in a url and its an error....I just want the motherfucking error thanks. Please do NOT do a search and whatever you do....do NOT forward me to a new URL and deny me the ability to edit the one I just typed in.

  • by lesincompetent (2836253) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:16PM (#46869609)
    FF (as well as JavaScript, that shit) needs heavier multi-process and multi-threading in this day and age of multicore, multithreaded CPUs.
    I switched to chromium just for that. FF just feels much more ponderous.
  • No, just NO. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:21PM (#46869665)

    Stop redecorating my desktop. If I wanted a browser that looks like Chrome, I would install Chrome. If I wanted a browser that looks like it's meant to be used on a touch screen (just where did that menu of icons come from...), I would use a tablet. This is my NON-TOUCH DESKTOP you're ruining.

    Why does everybody seem hellbent on killing the traditional desktop? Are you bored? Running out of bugs to fix?

    Stop moving things around! Every time you do that, I lose something that I've become accustomed to for no good reason at all. That's like moving a table a couple of inches, making me bump into it for a couple weeks, and then you change it some more. Or changing the height of the stair steps. Don't do that. It's at best irritating.

    I am seriously fed up with this shit.

    • Stop moving things around! Every time you do that, I lose something that I've become accustomed to for no good reason at all. That's like moving a table a couple of inches, making me bump into it for a couple weeks, and then you change it some more. Or changing the height of the stair steps. Don't do that. It's at best irritating.

      Picture a car where every few years they moved the gearshift and the turn signal. Sometimes to the old places for each. I can't see anything bad happening there...

  • woo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vux984 (928602) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:22PM (#46869675)

    The tabs are sleek and smooth to help you navigate the Web faster.

    Well that's a fucking relief. I've been slogging awa with these slightly squarer tabs for months and my productivity has been in the toilet as a result.

    Seriously, do they have any actual metrics that the new tabs actually help anyone "navigate the web faster" ?

    Itâ(TM)s easy to see what tab youâ(TM)re currently visiting

    It was already easy.

    and the other tabs fade into the background to be less of a distraction when youâ(TM)re not using them.

    Tweaking the relative brightness between current and other tabs hardly counts as revolutionary. I'm indifferent at best.

    The Firefox menu has moved to the right corner of the toolbar and puts all your browser controls in one place.

    I get how this different, but how is this, in any way 'better'?

    I can't wait for this to get into cars. Who doesn't want a perfectly empty dashboard with all the controls crammed into the right corner.

    In all seriousness, whoop-dee-doo so they moved the top left menu to the top right, but now its got that newish 3 bar icon which has come to mean "we stuck the menu here".

    I guess people who heretofore have only ever used a twitter app will will finally be able to find the firefox menu that had been eluding them, hidden away in the top left.

    The menu includes a âoeCustomizeâ tool that transforms Firefox into a powerful customization mode where you can add or move any feature, service or add-on.'

    All it needs is to say "Don't Panic!" in large friendly letters.

    • Re:woo (Score:5, Funny)

      by koan (80826) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:42PM (#46869929)

      Rounded tabs help you get through the Internet tubes faster.

  • Well agenda to force tabs on top (next to title bar) upon all users has won... you no longer even have option to move them between address bar and web content. Last few versions had at least configuration option buried in about:config. Maybe not a big deal, but to me it requires more mouse movement from content to tab switching - which is opposite of what good UI design is.

    Forcing bad UI to users : how did it work for Microsoft, Mozilla?

    • by gnupun (752725) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:45PM (#46870699)

      Well agenda to force tabs on top (next to title bar) upon all users has won... you no longer even have option to move them between address bar and web content.

      If a private corp did this, it would be okay since the boss calls the shots and if you don't like it, move to a competitor's product.

      But a so-called community product like Firefox should be controlled by the public. Who are the secret little fascists that are deciding what should be added or changed without the approval of users? All Firefox changes (new features/changing existing features), except bug fixes, should go through a community vote before being implemented. Is this a fair request?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:27PM (#46869721)

    It's a fork of FF engine with the older interface (from around version 26 I believe).

  • by JDG1980 (2438906) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:37PM (#46869853)

    I haven't gotten this update yet but it looks like they turned the user interface into a Chrome rip-off.

    I am going to be very upset if all of my userChrome customization work breaks as a result of this. I don't want tabs; I want traditional Windows-style menus, not an all-in-one dropdown; I want the toolbar (including Back and Forward buttons) on its own line. A couple of releases ago I had to add some extra userChrome lines so it wouldn't show 1 useless tab, because they removed the setting for that. And now these genius "UI designers" are screwing everything up again.

    Dammit, just leave it alone. I hate UI designers. They break everything they touch.

    • by QuietLagoon (813062) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:34PM (#46870573)

      ... I hate UI designers. They break everything they touch.

      UI designers are constantly trying to stay relevant. That is why they are continually changing the UI. They say the new version is better. They *always* say the new version is better. But a UI designer does not understand the very real difference between "different" and "better". To a UI designer, "different" is better, by definition. That is why they are always changing UIs, usually for the worse.

  • So much effort... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by koan (80826) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:39PM (#46869883)

    Yet not one "feature" gives me what I really want, the ability to leave my UI the same while upgrading all the "under the hood features" and security fixes.

    • Yet not one "feature" gives me what I really want, the ability to leave my UI the same while upgrading all the "under the hood features" and security fixes.

      That is because you are an ignorant slob who wouldn't know good design if it bit you in the ass. You should be thankful that someone educated in the arts and in usability is improving your interface for you. Who wants to use those crappy, non-artistic interfaces that were "designed" by unenlightened engineers from days long forgotten?

      Essentially, if you object to the interface, you are just an old fashioned luddite who is incapable of adapting to the modern world.

      (this is the way "they" appear to think. not

  • by BLToday (1777712) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:48PM (#46869997)

    I still use Firefox...on a Mac, occasionally. Actually, I don't use it but my wife does once in awhile. Her work requires either IE or Firefox. I miss the original Firefox philosophy: speed, stability, and security. OK, Firefox was never that stable (always leaking memory) and rarely the fastest. But it generally worked well and did the job.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @01:51PM (#46870049)

    I dread each new Firefox release - how will they cripple and degrade the browser this time? This is the worst for me since they removed the status bar. Maybe one of the conditions of the Google funding is to gradually fuck up the browser to make it less attractive to those who don't like Chrome or IE?

  • by sootman (158191) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:11PM (#46870313) Homepage Journal

    > It's easy to see what tab you're currently visiting
    > and the other tabs fade into the background to be
    > less of a distraction when you're not using them.

    I swear, if I ever meet a guy in a bar and he says he's on the UX team at Mozilla, I'm going to punch him in the dick as hard as I can. Now that all the background tabs are a mushy mass of grey, it is HARDER to tell them apart and jump to the one you want next. WHY DO YOU THINK TABS EXIST?!?!?

    "when you're not using them" -- do you know what constitutes USING tabs? FINDING THEM AND CLICKING ON THEM.

    Gee assholes, why don't you just put all my tabs behind that bullshit menu icon in the top right? That's be SUPER clean and easy-to-use! Out of sight, but right there when you need them! >:-|

    If I wanted to know the title of the page I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW -- not usually needed because I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW -- I can glance at the title bar OH WHOOPS WAIT THAT'S FUCKING GONE TOO. Fucking retards.

    Yes, I got the fucking extension to un-fuck-up the theme, [mozilla.org] but I shouldn't have to do this all the time.

    Now, if they actually FIXED the sync, so you can just log in and not jump through the bullshit hoops of having a DIFFERENT instance of it open so you can type in the stupid PIN (WTF are you supposed to do if you want to sync two non-portable computers in different places?), *THAT* will be some progress.

    For everything else, click here and tell them how much they suck. [mozilla.org]

    And finally, a note to ALL browser makers: "View" -> "Source" should be a top-level menu, not buried behind some "developer tools" bullshit. FF, Safari, Chrome -- you're all guilty. "View source" is what made the web great. It SHOULD be easy to get at.

  • by DrXym (126579) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:14PM (#46870363)
    I think the biggest win is the full screen / maximized mode which reclaims more vertical space. I don't think the curved tabs are a good idea since it makes the text area narrower (clipping more text with an ellipsis) and puts in useless curvy whitespace. I think settings should have stayed on the left since it is less discoverable and obvious on the right - the opposite side from where people expect menus to be.
  • by trawg (308495) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @02:43PM (#46870677) Homepage

    I love Firefox and have used it for years. I've put up with all the updates and changes and ridiculous behaviour since they started this rapid development cycle.

    There's been some improvements. But every couple of releases my plugins break because they've removed some functionality or changed something. I can put up with that; software changes and needs maintenance.

    This is the first upgrade I've done where my interface has been changed this significantly.

    The Add-on bar is gone. Can't replace it without an extension. I have (well, had) tools in that I used daily.

    Tabs now on top. Can't move them back to the bottom. Here's a two year old Bugzilla [mozilla.org] filled with people pleading that it remain an option.

    There appears to be extensions to fix all this. But what's the fucking point any more? I'm sick of fighting to keep Firefox looking and working like Firefox if all they're going to do is take away the things that I actually use it for. It's just too much effort.

    Mozilla, you used to be a leader. Now you're a follower. I know so few people that are still using Firefox - most people I talk to are surprised that I don't use Chrome - why are you going out of your way to alienate those of us that are left?

  • by markdavis (642305) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @07:16PM (#46873555)

    I absolutely, positively *DETEST* the UI redesign. I immediately installed https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... [mozilla.org]

    I have no idea why they would want to ruin a perfectly good browser like this. There is nothing wrong with having REAL menus on the top line, nor the ability to have tabs on the bottom, where they belong. It is beyond reason why they would not make such a change OPTIONAL... resorting to an addon is a huge and irritating kludge that will annoy the S*** out of me every time I have to install a new Firefox somewhere and will likely cause breakage later.

    Color me very, very annoyed.

  • by chrisvdb (149510) on Tuesday April 29, 2014 @09:35PM (#46874533) Homepage

    So, the new FF finally implemented a more userfriendly sync functionality. Apparently less than 1% of its users was using the old (but very secure system). The new sync system is (unsurprisingly) similar to Chrome's sync system: you create an account, when you log in your info is encrypted based on your account password and uploaded to Mozilla's servers.

    What I cannot get my head around is that Mozilla claims they cannot access your data (as they don't know your password) but that they are able to reset a lost password... how can that be a secure system??

    Also, in the new version it's no longer possible to use a master password... if you want to use sync all your password will be in plaintext (well, obfuscated) in FF's password file. Any malicious or vulnerable application can get access to ALL your passwords. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=995268

    Doesn't sound like an improvement to me...

  • by holophrastic (221104) on Wednesday April 30, 2014 @12:58AM (#46875517)

    Over the past decade, I've watched browsers get more and more non-browsing features. Really, I'm not at all interested. Yes I'm a web developer, no I don't need the development console; I don't need the developer tools; I don't need the javascript error console either. I don't need plug-ins, I don't need add-ons. I don't need network monitors. I don't need customizable toolbars; I don't need toolbars at all.

    I need an address bar. Tabs still don't work the way I would find valuable, so I can take them or leave them. Smart address bars don't provide the features I'd want either, so I don't need that either. Spellcheck is also just as useless as it's always been for anyone working across multiple jargonous industries.

    All I've ever wanted is a window, with a titlebar and a border, and the web page on the inside. The closest thing to stripped-down that I seem to be able to get is a stripped-down IE -- I can get it down to a fairly thin address bar with or without tabs. Everything else (safari, opera, chrome, firefox) is either slow, bloated with features, bloated with icons, or bloated with "usability"; or it takes ten seconds to open a new process, or you can't open a new process (process vs window), or it just eats memory.

    I don't need a UI. The web-page is the UI. I don't need a UI to a UI. I have a mouse, and a keyboard, and a web-site. The browser ought to be transparent.

    And they still don't show upload progress. It's been thirty years of download progress though. I'm just saying.

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