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Seattle Police Held Hackathon To Redact Footage From Body Cameras 93

An anonymous reader writes: Hackathons are common these days, but you don't often hear about events hosted by law enforcement. That's what the Seattle Police Department did on Friday, with the solitary goal of finding a good way to redact the video streams taken by police body cameras and dash cameras. Seven different teams demonstrated solutions, but in the end, none thought automation could realistically handle the task in the near future. "The Washington State public records act requires that almost all video filmed by any government agency – including police – be disclosed upon request. The only real exception is for video which is part of an open case currently under investigation. However, various parts of the state code include other restrictions – the identity of minors cannot be disclosed. Requests from victims or witnesses who may be at risk if their identities are disclosed also must be honored. However in all such cases the video still must be released – it is just the faces or other potential identifying characteristics, which might include gender or even a person's gait – which need to be blurred and redacted." The city just started a pilot program for body-worn police cameras.
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Seattle Police Held Hackathon To Redact Footage From Body Cameras

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  • Why dashcams? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by wiredlogic ( 135348 ) on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:08PM (#48644799)

    Dashcams stay on the cruiser which is always in a public space. There is no need to redact that video unless you have something to hide.

    • Re:Why dashcams? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ATMAvatar ( 648864 ) on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:20PM (#48644853) Journal
      That's just it - as per the summary, there are some valid things worth redacting from videos. The problem, of course, is that the whole point of body cams was that we can't trust the police, so any means of redacting content which needs redacting will likely be used to redact anything which casts a bad light on the officers.
      • Re:Why dashcams? (Score:5, Informative)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @12:21AM (#48645069)

        The problem, of course, is that the whole point of body cams was that we can't trust the police, so any means of redacting content which needs redacting will likely be used to redact anything which casts a bad light on the officers.

        It will be redacted for FOIA requests. But the original video will still be available for other purposes. For instance, if someone sues the police for misconduct, they could subpena the original uncut video. If the police charge someone with a crime, then that defendant's attorney will also have access to the original video.

        • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          if you think for a moment that the redacting process wouldn't be used to hide the police officer's illegal activities you weren't really thinking now were you.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by icebike ( 68054 )

          Exactly,

          The conspiracy theorists have to dial it down a bit.

          The redacting is for faces that must be protected by law, such as children, and witnesses.
          Hardly make sense for the police to release photos of witnesses so that the thugs homeboys can put a hit on them.

          The redaction is Like the redaction on street view, blurring of faces.
          There are also places where the police have no right to film, such as in homes.

          • No it shouldnt. Any redaction process allows for footage to be altered. There should be no redaction at all. Its more important to stop police abuse than it is to protect privacy in this case.
            • by HiThere ( 15173 )

              I'd like to disagree. There are things that shouldn't be revealed under FOIA requests. Unfortunately the example of the federal government proves that we cannot trust redation to be applied in a reasonable manner.

              I don't see a good answer.

            • by icebike ( 68054 )

              Cams are as much to stop citizen abuse as they are to stop police abuse.
              In fact, will be born out after a couple years of vest cam usage.

              Also, you may want to rethink your position. When the gunny drives by and peppers your house with automatic weapons fire just because your un-redacted face and voice appeared in a police video you will (too late) realize that you have surrendered the streets to the thugs.

            • There should be no redaction at all.

              So when your daughter is raped, and goes to the police, you will have no problem with her full, unredacted, interview going up on Youtube?

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      • Yes we do have a serious problem with the police these days. There is far too much nonsense occuring and we need to have vigilant actions to assure cops stay in line. Frankly we are in a very severe bind as dishonest cops threaten the idea of liberty and justice for all of us. The cops are in a near panic mode as they have come up against a wall and are aware that enforcement can no longer prevent social and economic chaos. So the cops are sort of doubling down with outrageous enforcement po
      • I disagree. I think the cams should be showing raw footage at all times. Allowing ANY redaction opens the door for abuse. You call the police, you get filmed, that is how its going to be in the 21st Century.
    • Re:Why dashcams? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Trepidity ( 597 ) <[gro.hsikcah] [ta] [todhsals-muiriled]> on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:45PM (#48644925)

      It's in public space, but not always a good idea to release publicly. For example, if a cop happens to be the first person on the scene of an accident I was involved in, I would prefer if that video is not released, unless it's necessary to a court case. If it were a medical first responder it'd actually be illegal for them to release film of me in that situation, under HIPAA. Cops are exempt from HIPAA, but that doesn't make it a good idea for them to completely ignore privacy of 3rd parties.

      • Re:Why dashcams? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Wycliffe ( 116160 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @01:01AM (#48645163) Homepage

        All the cops in my town are required to be licensed as medical first responders (one step below emt).
        Also, many times it's not in a public space as it's not uncommon for an officer to enter a private home.
        If dashcams are considered public then instead of sponsoring hackathons they need to change the laws.
        There are many situations where someone calls 911 for medical or other reasons where they would not
        want the content of the call or a video of them to be public. Police officers many times enter
        private residents and might accidently stumble upon situations like someone who fell in the shower,
        opened the door in their bathrobe, someone who had just got raped, or dozens of other situations where
        you just got victimized and are disclosing very personal infomation either over the phone to the 911
        operator or to the police when they arrive that you don't want and don't expect to be public data.
        Police cams should be treated the same way as 911 calls and neither should be public without consent
        of at least one person present at the scene (or their next of kin if they died). Allowing only a single
        consent (instead of everyone present) and allowing next of kin to give that consent should strike a
        good balance between keeping most situations private but still allowing easy access to prevent abuse
        of power to restrict access.

        • by nadaou ( 535365 )

          Wycliffe:
          > Police cams should be treated the same way as 911 calls

          bingo

          ShanghaiBill:
          > If the police charge someone with a crime, then that defendant's
          > attorney will also have access to the original video.

          double bingo

        • Absolutely. We should not be wasting time and money allowing free access to video footage. If someone has a legal claim or suspects police abuse in a specific situation that directly concerns them then there should be a means to obtain it, but it just isn't practical to make all of it available to any yahoo that wants hundreds of hours of footage and has no direct involvement in the filmed activities. Privacy is more important in this case than FOIA in my book and the police do not have the resources to was

      • You are on a public road, and the police show up. You have no right to privacy. It doesn't matter what your preferences are.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      I hope you get some reading comprehension for Christmas this year.
    • by nadaou ( 535365 )

      There is no need to [...] unless you have something to hide.

      Now where have I heard that argument before...?

      All the same, dashcams should be mandatory. They protect good cops while catching or putting a check on bad cops, and add an extra POV that neither the cop or the accused had available to them. Bonus witness.

    • Dash cams don't always stay on. In many departments around Seattle they are only on when the lights are on.

      You always need to redact video.

      Police interview people who might not cooperate if they know that they will be shown snitching on YouTube. Oh, how about when an officer shows up to a scene of domestic abuse, shoud that just go up on YouTube?

      Police often see the public in bad situations. And we don't need to put that stuff up on the we for everyone to see.

      That is why they are working on redaction, not b

    • Dashcams stay on the cruiser which is always in a public space. There is no need to redact that video unless you have something to hide.

      So, just hypothetically speaking, you would be okay with being followed and every single one of your actions recorded and publicly reported 24/7? Because with modern computer vision and ubiquitous cameras, that question is becoming less hypothetical every day. And that, in turn, is quickly turning the entire society into a giant panopticon.

      Look up Finlandization [wikipedia.org]. Hell can

  • We'd all better become Glassholes really quickly.
    • Police thuggery and corruption or be a Glasshole, I think I will take the thuggery.

  • The footage should be sent straight to several different server centers across the nation. In these places would be people who are paid to watch police all day. They can flip switches and hold conversations with the police. They can ask them how they're doing, their plans, what's been going on, and make sure the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing. Police could get disciplinary action if they turn their cameras off when the observer switches to them and voice or camera is off. Also with
    • just go the area with poor cell coverage and then the video feed stops and the cops can't be at fault.

  • Duh, redact it by putting a black rectangle over the feed.
  • That they can't change the law?

    • If you read the article, you would find this issue is related to Washington State's Public Records Act. It has nothing to do with any federal law.

      [insert your own snappy rejoinder about dysfunctional posters here]

      ~~
      • Huh? Who said anything about federal law?

        Washington State is part of the US, isn't it? (According to Wikipedia, anyway.) So I would expect the phrase "US government" to include the government of Washington State, along with all other governments within the US. Do you really use it only to describe the federal government? What do you say instead when you mean the federal government *and* the government of the States and other territories collectively?

        • So I would expect the phrase "US government" to include the government of Washington State, along with all other governments within the US. Do you really use it only to describe the federal government?

          Yes. Pretty much, "US government" refers to the Feds.

          What do you say instead when you mean the federal government *and* the government of the States and other territories collectively?

          We hardly ever talk about that. At levels lower than the Feds, we talk about "State and local governments" from time to time

          • by jp10558 ( 748604 )

            I'm not a lawyer, but cities and towns can pass their own laws with the permission of the State, but only with permission isn't exactly true.

            I'm not aware of any local government asking permission for passing a law of any higher government.

            Tangent: what's the ordering, and does it vary with state? In NY we have county govt, town, city / village.). My understanding is that each level down can be more restrictive, but not less so, than a level above. That is, NY allows alcohol sales, but not cocaine sales. A

  • The ideal system would: 1) Have all data collected by the camera (or other sensor) stay encrypted, even from the officer. 2) Have all data collected move off the device and onto secured servers. 3) The device(s) have a visible identifier (light?) to indicate they are functioning properly. 4) If the device malfunctions, the officer becomes a civlian not a police officer. On a side note, how bout one the terms of service of being a publically elected official being a publically visible NSA scan on the o
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 21, 2014 @02:30AM (#48645383)

    We need to go past simple rules which can be changed at whim. We need to mandate encryption of all video and the decryption keys must be stored with a 3rd party who will only release an individual key in response to a court-issued warrant. Not just a court order that any court clerk can sign, but a full-blown judge-signed warrant. We also need official data-expiration policies such than anything older than a year is deleted unless there has been a petition to preserve it - and that's a mere petition to preserve, you'll still need a warrant to decrypt but preservation pending a warrant needs to be easy enough.

    If we don't make access physically difficult (versus administratively difficult) it is inevitable that these videos will end up in databases the way license plate scans have. And ten years down the road when Moore's law has kicked up our computational power up by another 100x they'll be running facial recognition, voice recognition, engine-sound recognition, gait-recognition, etc on the videos and data-mining the F out of it so that it becomes a tool for oppression worse than no video at all.

    There are a lot of valid reasons to make the video available to the police - better supervision, training (replay their own mistakes as well as study the mistakes of others), etc. But, everything in life is a trade-off and the price of those minor beneficial uses will be state abuse of the camera footage. The only way to preserve liberty is to design the system such that no one, no one at all, has unrestricted physical access to footage.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This is where a DMS comes in. TRIM could do the job. Once a file is stored it can not be deleted exept by admins. All views are logged. Everything is logged.

      Once a video is cut upload it, encrypt locally and upload to the server later.

      Introduce severe penalties for tampering.

      There may even be an open solution DMS capable of the same.

  • You mean in the real world there are conflicting priorities and complexities?

    But this is Slashdot - I demand that the situation be simple and resolvable by unidirectional moral outrage!

  • Make it law at a federal level that if a case hinges on the presence or absence of video then the case automatically goes in the civilians favor (unless the video shows otherwise). And the video must be uncut and continuous (no taking a couple seconds out to "improve" the video).
  • I won't talk to the police with video cameras. No redaction necessary. Lay on more stones!
  • Police Chief: "Videos are for evidence, not transparency"
  • Privacy for me, but not for thee.

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