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Ubuntu 15.04 Received Well By Linux Community 300

jones_supa writes: Canonical released Ubuntu 15.04 a couple of weeks ago, and it seems that this release has been a success. The community is mostly reporting a nice experience, which is important since this is the first Ubuntu release that uses systemd instead of upstart. At Slashdot, people have been very nervous about systemd, and last year it was even asked to say something nice about it. To be fair, Ubuntu 15.04 hasn't changed all that much. Some minor visual changes have been implemented, along with a couple of new features, but the operating system has remained pretty much the same. Most importantly it is stable, fast, and it lacks the usual problems accompanied by new releases.
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Ubuntu 15.04 Received Well By Linux Community

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  • I'm on Kubuntu 15.04, NUC with intel graphics. Everything just works including suspend right out of the gate. Love it.

    • Kubuntu 15.04 is a broken mess because of the jump to Plasma 5, which is nowhere near ready. Kate is the worst. Opening 2 files in Kate caused Dolphin to freeze until I looked up a hacky workaround. And then Kate still can't edit FTP files, which is a known bug for many months which there seem to be no plans to fix. Plasma crashes several times a day now too.

  • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:40AM (#49610993) Journal

    I've never seen so much evangelizing about a particular subsystem change in Linux before, which makes me think that unlike other past changes, this one needs it rather than having it's own benefits do the selling...

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Right on the mark. Only something with major rot in it needs this kind of marketing.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Skarjak ( 3492305 )
      I would argue that the marketing is needed because of all the (in my opinion, completely unjustified) hate that systemd gets. Let's not forget Arch users have been happily using systemd for a long time now, so the prophecies of end times coming with systemd seem a bit exaggerated.
      • by mlts ( 1038732 )

        SystemD, (and to a lesser extent FirewallD) have their points... but as anything in IT, it is good to at least learn the basics of them in order to get around, just like one has to learn how to use SELinux and not just disable it completely.

        I personally am on the fence... SystemD provides a lot of functionality, especially with just one command (systemctl). However, I will have a lot more faith in this new functionality once the code certification and auditing is complete.

      • by cb88 ( 1410145 )
        Acutally a bunch of Arch users left... when systemd was rolled out alot went to Gentoo a derivative of it as it seems to be one of the last holdouts against systemd. Gentoo is about choice though and there are alot of people running systemd even on Gentoo. and friends.
    • by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:54AM (#49611119)
      On the other hand, it looks like people are finally getting bored discussing it. So even if Ubuntu is getting worse, the Slashdot discussions are getting better!
    • by SilenceBE ( 1439827 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:56AM (#49611155)
      To be honest the only people marketing SystemD to me were those who in every article shared their anti SystemD feelings. It`s the first time that I had so much attention for a linux subsystem because of all the doom and gloom that was going on.
    • by _xeno_ ( 155264 )

      Meh, in this case, systemd might be an improvement.

      Remember that several years ago Ubuntu switched away from SysV init to Upstart, which was effectively their own version of systemd.

      So really the change is that they've gone from crappy in-house systemd to crappy actual systemd.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        except, you know, for the part where upstart predates systemd by 4 years.

    • Red Hat is operating right out of Microsoft's playbook.

      Remember when Microsoft was buddy-buddy with Apple, and IBM?

      Once Linux is completely dependent on Red Hat controlled technologies, Red Hat will always be two steps ahead of the competition, it will be seriously difficult for Linux users to use anything except Red Hat.

      What happens when Red Hat decides there is no reason for more than one package management solution? Red Hat will say that users demanded one standardized package management, and systemd wil

      • Red Hat is operating right out of Microsoft's playbook.

        Remember when Microsoft was buddy-buddy with Apple, and IBM?

        Once Linux is completely dependent on Red Hat controlled technologies, Red Hat will always be two steps ahead of the competition, it will be seriously difficult for Linux users to use anything except Red Hat.

        What happens when Red Hat decides there is no reason for more than one package management solution? Red Hat will say that users demanded one standardized package management, and systemd will only work if Red Hat's solution is installed. Wait for it.

        to late. Linux Standard Base (LSB) [wikipedia.org] requires support for use of rpm (redhat package manager) they railroaded that through despite debian ubuntu and others protest.

    • I've never seen so much evangelizing about a particular subsystem change in Linux before, which makes me think that unlike other past changes, this one needs it rather than having it's own benefits do the selling...

      Or, as Shakespeare put it, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." [wikipedia.org]

    • by Dwedit ( 232252 )

      SystemD seems to be really nice, when I tested out Debian Jessie, it booted so much faster than what was there before. These kind of things leave a good first impression.

    • by CauseBy ( 3029989 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @10:40AM (#49611667)

      cf. "If vaccination is so good, then why do doctors have to tell me to get vaccinated?"

    • by mean pun ( 717227 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @10:42AM (#49611685)

      I've never seen so much evangelizing about a particular subsystem change in Linux before, which makes me think that unlike other past changes, this one needs it rather than having it's own benefits do the selling...

      The incessant whining about systemd in the last few years here on /. has been deafening. So if a major distribution then switches to systemd, and the world is not coming to an end, that's news for (this particular bunch of) nerds, no?

      I realise that for some people here it is not welcome news, but news it is.

    • Theres an old saying, which Im going to modify for my own purposes.

      Those who can, make distros. Those who cant, whine endlessly about what the distros are doing.

  • Wow.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by red crab ( 1044734 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:40AM (#49610995)
    A Softpedia article gets linked to Slashdot story these days; can Slash-vertisement get any lower than this?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:41AM (#49611011)

    A friendly reminder that if you hate Unity, Ubuntu also supports KDE, Xfce, LXDE, Enlightenment, Cinnamon, GNOME Shell, MATE, and the CLI.

  • LTS (Score:5, Informative)

    by AndyCanfield ( 700565 ) <.andycanfield. .at. .yandex.com.> on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:51AM (#49611095) Homepage
    15.04 is not an "LTS" (Long Term Support). So we will continue to run 14.04 LTS on our servers, and on my workstation. I guess we will stick to it for another year, until April 2016. Ah well. Good Luck, gang, and thank you for the good job, Ubuntu.
  • So far...close (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chill ( 34294 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @09:53AM (#49611113) Journal

    I installed in on my HP ProBook 6475b laptop the other day and have only run into some minor issues.

    1. I opted for full disk encrypted LVM. It didn't ask for a separate Swap partition password, instead using the main one. Fine. However, when booting, I have to enter it twice -- once for the main partition, once for swap. [Bug reported and acknowledged]

    2. It hangs on reboot. I have to boot twice every time to get it to get past the boot loader. I've tried "shut down", then letting it sit for 10 minutes. Next boot -- hang and I reboot and then it works.

    3. My wifi doesn't come back after suspend. I think it has to do with the particular laptop firmware, because it does this with every distro I've tried. Everything else works, but the wifi never makes it out of suspend.

    The rest works fine. Changing to the proprietary AMD video drivers was a snap, and it sped up video playback to what I would expect (no stuttering on HD).

    • by Khyber ( 864651 )

      " it sped up video playback to what I would expect (no stuttering on HD)."

      How old is your hardware? I've been doing HD 1080p video on Pentium 4s for a LONG time, under Linux and Windows.

      • by chill ( 34294 )

        So have I, but it depends on the video drivers.

        Under the FOSS drivers on both AMD and nVidia I can play the video fine, but if I move the mouse into the window, it lags.

        With the proprietary drivers this doesn't happen.

        • Yeah, I've noticed the FOSS driver basically freezes when I move my mouse over VNC with debian testing. But 3D gaming works well enough that I don't notice any difference. Not saying there isn't any, just that the FOSS drivers are good enough for me now.
    • Does the brightness control skip steps [launchpad.net]?
    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      I installed in on my HP ProBook 6475b laptop the other day and have only run into some minor issues.

      Wifi not working after suspend on a laptop?
      Crashing on reboot every 2nd time?

      What you consider minor issues, I would consider deal breakers.

    • Re:So far...close (Score:4, Interesting)

      by DirePickle ( 796986 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @12:57PM (#49613087)
      The wifi thing is pretty common. The solution is usually to add a hook to the suspend script to unload the wifi modules before suspending, and then reload them when resuming.
  • Ok.
    $ nice bash
    $

    Happy now?
  • A 14.10 system that my kid had an elaborate KDE desktop setup on, we upgraded to 15.04, and it totally lost his desktop arrangement. This had originally been Xubuntu, then with KDE installed, so not straight Kubuntu, and we were able to revert to using his old Xfce setup for now, which came through the upgrade okay. But it really was a bad experience losing his work with KDE that way. KDE is just the barest desktop now, which is frankly ugly and it seems it has lost features as well as his prior configurati

    • I completely agree. Plasma 5 is not quite done yet, it's lost a ton of abilities and there's no easy way to bring "plasma 4" plasmoids to it without a full rewrite. It's quite bleak really, I had to migrate to another desktop as well. And this is coming from someone who used KDE4 from the start after updating from 3. 3 to 4 added new toys and abilities to the table, but 4 to 5 feels like KDE4 all undone.

      I fear the day KDE4 libraries required to run Krusader are totally gone. I can't find a replacement with

  • .. but I may have gotten a few infections from the pages I had to visit to use it.
  • by Windwraith ( 932426 ) on Monday May 04, 2015 @11:14AM (#49611993)

    After installing I have two main highlights. Excuse the verbosity, but since it's apropos, I really want to share my two cents and hear what other people thinks.

    1) The shipped Plasma 5.3 is complete butt. Massive loss of functionality, completely broke my workflow. You might remember me defending KDE4 at every chance, and that's because it wasn't as bad as this by 4.3. Missing icons; lost of "old" systray icons; Icon-only task manager lost all options and unity launcher abilities; Klipper is half-baked and doesn't do a lot of things it did before (despite keyboard bindings showing those actions); kwin refuses to save per-window settings (works from control center, but not from window menu); the Breeze theme is bugged and doesn't show (instead Oxygen does, for whatever reason, despite zapping my settings entirely, and there's no matching GTK theme, so all consistency gets broken); dumps files on .config, making it super noisy; lots of actions that were able to get hotkeys don't accept hotkeys (despite the GUI being there, it refuses to save); several lost plasmoids (not even a simple network monitor now) and other surviving ones lost several options; and konsole refuses to obey the option to show "konsole - " on titlebar, making window matching by title never work. Kwin is still excellent, but it suffers being part of a desktop in such a miserable state and Konsole is still my favorite terminal. (I am open to suggestions just in case)
    It doesn't even attempt to port old settings properly, and it's far too early to deploy. And this time there wasn't even the excuse to make it "for developers". It's really, really half-baked and I hope the missing stuff comes back eventually. It's only usable if you stick to the defaults and don't bother customizing it too much, and if you don't have habits or must-have plasmoids from KDE4.

    2) Everything else worked really well. systemd works pretty well and I already got to tune it up. Very fast reboot and shutdown. Not seeing why the hate, it works for me.
    Mod me down if you want, and I am aware anecdotes aren't data, but it works and I was able to migrate all my custom things easily. The only defect I found is that it likes to start disk checks more often than it should, like it does a main disk check once every 10 reboots. Doesn't take long so it's not a real problem, but it bothers me it's not doing every 30 mounts as I had it set as.
    Otherwise, my system feels almost more responsive than before, and I am pretty sure it's not placebo effect. I mostly notice it with loading small apps and doing management tasks, but it's definitely a little bit faster. A few exotic bugs with my hardware got fixed and it's all now working great.

    Anyway, I had to use Unity as a temporary desktop until I figure out some solution to my KDE problems and the good things and updates prevent me from rolling back. Two days later I got used to it and I am doing my usual computer routine with minor differences.

    Gotta say, it's improved greatly since last time I used it. Having the menus in the window titlebar (saves space and doesn't require traveling to the top as in the OSX-like menu, best of both worlds), minimize-on-click, ability to adjust titlebar size and other minor fixes make it...*gasp* rather usable. I miss the window automation from kwin, but managed to replicate the missing window management features with some hackery and obscure Compiz features, so I only remember I am using another desktop when the windows appear in crazy places. Only took me a day to get used to the previously annoying "close button at left" business, but otherwise it feels usable for everyday work. Compared to its original incarnation it's quite the improvement. I'd even dare calling it "good enough", not the best, but just "good enough". The titlebar menus and the Launcher API abilities are pretty appealing features though.
    A disclaimer, though, I always had a taskbar at the left even in the early 90s, so I find it "natural", but other people might be annoyed by the taskba

    • KDE is always broken on Kubuntu. To get a proper KDE with Debian-like system you need to use the Mint distro.
    • by qubezz ( 520511 )

      15.04 ships with KDE Plasma 5.2. In order to get 5.3 and future KDE updates, you will need to add the backports ppa repository:

      sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

  • Vivid Vervet ships with 3.18.3 rather than a modern 3.18 such as 3.18.12, which seems unconscionable.

    In particular, there's a known regression where BTRFS fails to clear it's logs and the system become unbootable. This gotcha seems to take around two weeks to manifest, at which point the kernel will lock. https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/... [kernel.org]

  • 12.04LTE to 14.04LTE no thank you. I had a Dell laptop with 12.04LTE on it and one day it asked if I wanted to go to 14.04. So it downloaded everything and when it came back up it was command line only, no gui whatsoever. I had to download and install Gnome manually. That has soured me a bit on Ubuntu.
  • I've been using kubuntu everywhere: home, work and family computers. For the past few (at least 5) years, upgrades have been smooth with very few minor bugs since the kde3 -> kde4. But this time it's close to a disaster on the only machine I upgraded. They didn't do small incremental changes this time, they updated: kde4->kde5, qt4->qt5 (or the framework), whatever->systemd, lightdm->sddm.

    I think the latter is the cause of all the graphic problems I've been having. If I use the fglrx graphic driver (for AMD/ATI), I cannot sleep anymore (it wakes up to a black screen) and I don't have ctrl-alt-F consoles anymore. If I use the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver, I cannot unlock the screen (it loops back to sddm). Which makes having a laptop rather useless.

    And there are plenty of other issues: opened windows are lost between logins (or moved to random places, and always to the 1st desktop), all opened konsoles are lost, kate doesn't reopen files, some login screens are all white. Or all black. The date on the clock is too big and doesn't fit ! And one thing that ails me is that your preferences are not kept between KDE4 and 5. You have to spend an hour or way more to go through all the options to try and get the desktop the way you want it again.

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