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America's Daily COVID-19 Death Toll Passes 1,000 Again (politico.com) 296

AleRunner writes: The United States on Tuesday recorded more than 1,000 daily deaths from COVID-19 for the first time since May, according to Politico. This trend continued and actually increased on Wednesday with over 1,200 deaths. Whilst there have been suggestions that the increase in cases in the US was an artifact of greater testing, the new data on deaths makes it starkly clear that these suggestions were wrong and that cases are increasing at a greater rate than testing, meaning that the official death rate is going to continue increasing for some time. Even these shocking numbers are likely an underestimate with reputable researchers having shown that many COVID-19 deaths have been registered under other causes. More than half a million people worldwide are dead and 15 million are infected, however the U.S. remains world leader in coronavirus cases with Brazil still far behind in second place.
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America's Daily COVID-19 Death Toll Passes 1,000 Again

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  • by Carewolf ( 581105 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:04AM (#60325103) Homepage

    N/A

    • America First !!!

    • by LatencyKills ( 1213908 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:28AM (#60325515)
      Actually, if the Trump Presidency has convinced me of one thing, it's that being President is pretty easy. I recall reading an article (too lazy to look for it) round about the start of Obama's second term, which talked about how the Presidency had become too big a job for a single person. And yet I remember thinking to myself, Obama sure golfs a lot for a busy guy. I only get five weeks of vacation, and when I take a week off, I come back to a desk that is swamped, and all of these golf days, presumably vacation days, seemed to number in the hundreds. Look, I disagree with pretty much everything that has been done during the Trump Presidency, but most of that work was done by his toadies in the Senate. He golfs even more than Obama did, and holds (or rather held) rallies continually. The actual day to day work of a President is like an engineering fellow at a large company - stick your nose into things that interest you, but otherwise you're free to fill your time doing your own thing. It took a real crisis of leadership, and it took nearly four years for a serious one to come up, for Trump to actually have to show up for work (which he's not doing, as evidenced by the headline, but that's another discussion). If COVID hadn't come along, the stock market would still be bubbling along on our rising national debt which no one seems to care about anymore and unemployment would be low. Sure, day to day Trump would still be saying and doing embarrassing and in many cases awful things, and there would still be BLM protests and some violence associated with it, but he'd be a shoe in for a second term which he has now all but lost.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:40AM (#60325675)

        Well sure, but that's the difficult bit about being president - hiring the right talent to do the work for you.

        And this is why the job was too hard for Trump, because he didn't give a shit about talent and only hired friends, family, and people who agree with on 100% of things and get fired as soon as they don't.

        The same is true as you say of running a large business; a good CEO will hire people who run the place for them. A bad one will hire the wrong people and send it under.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:16AM (#60325787)

        There are about 104 weekend days per year. In Obama's second term—where he played about twice as much golf as his first term—he played 322 rounds over 4 years. That's about 80 rounds a year. It's still a lot of golf, but he can work while on his helicopter or plane, and many presidents have famously done a lot of 'work' with other world leaders on the golf course. (Canadian Prime Ministers and American Presidents have often gotten on very well on the golf course, and real negotiation actually got done.)

        You can really tell that the presidency wore on Obama. His hair went grey straight away, and I don't think most people would have accused him of being a slacker. And what's true for the rest of us is true for him: exercise and recreation are good for your productivity.

        If anything, the golfing is the least offensive part of Trump's presidency. The problem is that he doesn't do any work when he's OFF the golf course either. I think like a lot of other jobs, the Presidency is easy if you don't care and don't show up. The bureaucracy handles a lot of stuff on its own. And if you've got a Senate that is also absent and won't even LOOK at the legislation coming out of the house, you don't even have to come in to sign anything.

        - Dixie_Flatline

        • by penix1 ( 722987 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:02AM (#60326215) Homepage

          If anything, the golfing is the least offensive part of Trump's presidency.

          To me it is right up there with the rest of his offenses because he does it at Mar-A-Lago where taxpayer money is going into his pocket directly for the stay of the Secret Service and the rest of his party. A direct violation of the Emoluments clause.

          There is nothing that man will do that doesn't profit him personally in some way. Follow the money...

        • The issue with Trump golfing is that he famously criticized Obama of golfing instead of working. So it's amazingly hypocritical when he ends up golfing far more than Obama

      • Obama golfed 113 times in his first term (4 years). That's not unreasonable. Mostly this was done on the weekend, but he also did things like invite the Republican leadership or world leaders golfing. But, yeah. Averaging golfing every other weekend is totally shirking responsibility.

        Meanwhile, Trump has spent 266 out of 1251 days golfing. Note the difference in tone. That's because Obama would go to a local golf course (usually at the closest military base), play and return in a few hours. Trump flie

      • Actually, if the Trump Presidency has convinced me of one thing, it's that being President is pretty easy. I recall reading an article (too lazy to look for it) round about the start of Obama's second term, which talked about how the Presidency had become too big a job for a single person. And yet I remember thinking to myself, Obama sure golfs a lot for a busy guy. I only get five weeks of vacation, and when I take a week off, I come back to a desk that is swamped, and all of these golf days, presumably vacation days, seemed to number in the hundreds. Look, I disagree with pretty much everything that has been done during the Trump Presidency, but most of that work was done by his toadies in the Senate. He golfs even more than Obama did, and holds (or rather held) rallies continually. The actual day to day work of a President is like an engineering fellow at a large company - stick your nose into things that interest you, but otherwise you're free to fill your time doing your own thing. It took a real crisis of leadership, and it took nearly four years for a serious one to come up, for Trump to actually have to show up for work (which he's not doing, as evidenced by the headline, but that's another discussion). If COVID hadn't come along, the stock market would still be bubbling along on our rising national debt which no one seems to care about anymore and unemployment would be low. Sure, day to day Trump would still be saying and doing embarrassing and in many cases awful things, and there would still be BLM protests and some violence associated with it, but he'd be a shoe in for a second term which he has now all but lost.

        The US Presidency is a high level management job, don't do any direct work but supervise everything, and stop underlings from pursuing their own interests at the costs of the larger organization.

        It's easy to do poorly, but hard to do well.

        Obama didn't have much in the way of scandals in his administration, and the administration policy seemed pretty consistent. Obama made errors for sure, but he seems to have done a good job of running the US government.

        Trump really doesn't bother with the whole "Presidenti

    • The problem is the Trump administration and his cronies are treating it like the Flu, mostly ignore it, and have the victims go to the hospital.
      However...
      * Covid-19 is more dangerous than the flu, higher percentage of death, and those who do not die, do have some bad long term problems.
      * The Flu has a yearly vaccine where people can either be protected from its effect, or at least it makes the symptoms less.
      * It is usually easier to find and isolate carrier of the Flu vs Covid-19 who can be spreading it for

      • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:38AM (#60325869)

        * The Flu usually only really serious for those who weak, or with previous medical conditions. Covid-19 can hit healthy adults.

        Umm, covid-19 seems to be "usually only serious for those who are weak or with previous medical conditions" as well. It's more than twice as likely to kill you if you're 80+ (average lifespan is about 82).

        We don't know how many people actually have had covid-19, since it's asymptomatic sometimes, but so far we've only had a deathrate from covid-19 that's about twice as high as our normal flu deathrate. Using some of the more pessimistic assumptions on covid-19 rate (75%+ asymptomatic), it's actually running a LOWER deathrate than the flu.

        Caveats: because we don't know how many people are asymptomatic, we don't really have much of a clue as to how serious this is compared to the normal flu. Lots of asymptomatic people means it's milder than the flu, though more widespread (remember, a lot of people get flu vaccinations annually). Few asymptomatic cases means it considerably worse than the flu (though still not so bad as the Spanish Flu was back in the day).

        In summary, it's not the end of the world, or even the end of civilization, even if we do absolutely NOTHING. Though if the asymptomatic cases are as common as some people think, it's going to be with us for a very long time (think - common cold)....

        • by penix1 ( 722987 )

          We don't know how many people actually have had covid-19, since it's asymptomatic sometimes, but so far we've only had a deathrate from covid-19 that's about twice as high as our normal flu deathrate.

          And we don't know the true death rate from COVID-19 either. Many have died in their home fearing going to the hospital until it was too late and the death was misdiagnosed (heart failure seems to be the favorite since COVID-19 has a serious effect on the heart).

          Caveats: because we don't know how many people are

        • And "usually" is a very vague and weasely word. It can mean 99.9% or it can mean 51%, or some people might even use it for less. The problem with saying that is that too many people assume that they're safe. Ie, I'm healthy, I'm young, I work out, i don't have respiratory problems, so it's off Spring Break at a Texas or Florida beach for sun, fun, beer, and inhaling other people's saliva.

          Young and healthy people still die from covid-19! They are NOT immune. They are less likely to get serious complicat

  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:28AM (#60325157)
    Behind heart disease and cancer. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:27AM (#60325275)

      Behind heart disease and cancer. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

      Don't worry, Trump is working on destroying the EPA, and rolling back healthy food standards for kids. Your other means of pointless death are not being neglected.

      • Well, if we get other causes of death to pick up, at least Covid won't be considered the leading cause of death in the US. So far, only fat ass related heart failure and cancer beat Covid, gotta work on that!

    • No way! I heard deaths were going down while cases were up, how do you explain that?!

  • Excess deaths (Score:4, Informative)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:50AM (#60325201)

    In before idiots start saying they are counting deaths from other conditions as Covid .. the fact is we have been seeing a large number of excess deaths according to CDC statistics. Either by some wonky coincidence people re dying more or there is some virus out there bumping people off.

    Check the following for statistics. Note: IT TAKES ABOUT 8 WEEKS FOR ALL THE DEATH REPORTS TO GET INTO THE STATISTICS!

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]

    • by Duds ( 100634 )

      I wouldn't know the UK figures but he UK has seen 50% more excess deaths this year than confirmed COVID cases.

      And that's with a lot of the traditionally dangerous activities banned or curtailed eg - Driving.

      So there's no chance the UK is over-reporting and the one US figure I did see (Florida "flu" deaths) suggests absolutely the opposite.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      In before idiots start saying they are counting deaths from other conditions as Covid .. the fact is we have been seeing a large number of excess deaths according to CDC statistics. Either by some wonky coincidence people re dying more or there is some virus out there bumping people off.

      Obviously they are killed by the face masks! (That they are not wearing....)

    • I mean, it's both! COVID makes it harder to get medical care for non-COVID reasons. You might have a heart attack, get to the hospital, and all the beds are taken up by people who thing that virus is a hoax and so went to a giant party.

  • by fintux ( 798480 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @05:49AM (#60325387)
    The countless posts by people who said "see, we overreacted, it wasn't so bad" now see a glimpse of why the restrictions were necessary. There's no country that has had the disease run its course. The truth is, however, that what is happening now is just a tiny portion of what can happen. 0.04% of the population of the USA has died. The mortality, IF there's enough capacity to treat everyone, depends on demographics, but is somewhere between 0.7 and >1 %. Even at 0.7%, the epidemic is not even 1/10 through the population. If the disease gets unleashed, this is nothing. And if the health care runs out of capacity, the mortality will rise quickly. People who don't get oxygen or ICU treatment when they need it - well I probably won't have to explain what happens. If 5% of the people getting sick need hospital care, you can very easily end up with a situation where the capacity runs out, and then the mortality in those regions can increase sharply.
  • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:54AM (#60325561) Homepage

    Whilst there have been suggestions that the increase in cases in the US was an artifact of greater testing...

    It was quite plain those "suggestions" were from people looking for any way to discount the blinding obviousness of the facts. The US and Canada have similar populations, are geographically close, and have similar testing rates. Here's the US data [cdc.gov] (scroll down to New Cases by Day) and here's the Canadian data [canada.ca] (scroll down to figure 2). Even if you multiply Canada's numbers by 10 because the population is about 10 times smaller, the difference is still stark. And yes, the US is starting to flatten out a bit (fingers crossed) and yes, Canada is seeing an "uptick" in new cases recently, because the provinces have been opening up again in the last month.

    I live in Canada. Our business never closed (manufacturing was considered an essential service). However, one side of our business (about 50% of our work) dropped to almost zero demand for about 6 to 8 weeks, but now it's back to about 80% of pre-COVID demand. During those lull weeks we had everyone implementing process and efficiency improvements throughout the plant, upgrading equipment, installing new automation, repainting, etc. We installed plexiglass barriers where appropriate, and implemented physical distancing policies. We're ready to go and stronger than ever.

    I'm sorry to have to say this, but the US needs to do a proper country-wide lockdown for 6 to 8 weeks, and get the level of new cases down to the point where contact tracing teams can deal with the trickle of new cases. Then you'll be ready to re-open in a phased way. It starts with admitting that what you're doing right now isn't working, and taking a serious look at how other developed nations have successfully dealt with it. Back in March nobody really knew what the right answer was, but there's no excuse anymore.

  • Sure, they are raising with a longer delay compared to infections and the overall rate has dropped. Both are due to better understanding how to treat this thing. But nobody with a few working brain cells is surprised by strongly raising infection rates causing significantly raising death rates. This is entirely expected behavior with absolutely no surprise value. And it was already visible, for example here https://www.covidbyregion.com/... [covidbyregion.com] about 10 days ago.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:54PM (#60326613)
    which is the long term health consequences of getting COVID. Even minor cases have been known to cause brain damage. 20% of cases put people in the hospital. They recover, but only if there's enough beds. We're running out.

    Also in 10-15 years expect a large uptick in comorbidity (read: death) as the long term side effects of COVID-19 catch up with people. Strokes that would've been minor or heart conditions that would have been managed with meds will put people in the ground.

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