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Bitcoin The Almighty Buck

Visa Plans To Enable Bitcoin Payments At 70 Million Merchants (btctimes.com) 88

On Fortune's Leadership Next podcast yesterday, Visa CEO Alfred Kelly said that the payment processing behemoth is willing to facilitate not only bitcoin purchases, but also spending functionalities. "We're trying to do two things," said Kelly. "One is to enable the purchase of Bitcoin on Visa credentials. And secondly, working with Bitcoin wallets to allow the Bitcoin to be translated into a fiat currency and therefore immediately be able to be used at any of the 70 million places around the world where Visa is accepted." BTC Times reports: According to Kelly, Visa is working hard to earn its role as an intermediary in financial transactions even after Bitcoin sees mainstream adoption. Other than Bitcoin, the payment processor also plans to allow for the use of stablecoins. He admitted that the company recognizes "a strong potential for those to become a new payment vehicle." Kelly said Visa is collaborating with about 35 partners involved with stablecoins, explaining that "these are currencies that are fiat-backed, but we're allowing this translation, if you will, into a fiat currency and in a wallet where there's a Visa card and again that Visa card can be used with the translated digital currency over to the fiat currency to purchase at any one of our 70 million locations."

This is seemingly referring to Visa's partnership with Circle, the firm behind the USDC stablecoin. According to a report released by Forbes at the end of 2020, the payment processing giant partnered with Circle to integrate USDC into its infrastructure and allow credit card issuers to use USD Coin on their platforms and send and receive USDC payments. Visa's head of crypto Cuy Sheffield said at the time: "We continue to think of Visa as a network of networks. [...] Blockchain networks and stablecoins, like USDC, are just additional networks. So we think that there's a significant value that Visa can provide to our clients, enabling them to access them and enabling them to spend at our merchants."

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Visa Plans To Enable Bitcoin Payments At 70 Million Merchants

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  • by AmazingRuss ( 555076 ) on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:54PM (#61169952)
    full stop.
  • it'll start with the lowest employees. Think the kind of jobs you do fresh out of prison, meat packers, etc. Bitcoin, due to it's finite nature and lack of regulation is ripe for currency manipulation.

    It'll be a new company script. Combine this with 21st century company towns [engadget.com] and we're rapidly pissing away the rights our ancestors fought for and running headlong back to feudalism if we're lucky and fascism if we're not.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Why don't you move to North Korea already?
      • Why? As soon as they do this, Sudan, North Korea, Cuba, and Libya will be able to do international trade again without worrying about sanctions imposed by the U.S. Or Visa is stupid...
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      That is insane and backwards. Our ancestors didn't fight for strict government control of commerce but exactly the opposite!

      Bitcoin and cryptocurrency are an enabling technology. Every transaction outside the hands of the worlds wealthy elite controlling banking and outside the direct control of government is a slice of liberty pie enabling a free person's autonomy. Without that we are nothing but ants in a colony.

      • for a living wage. For clean air and water. For the right to organize. And for the right to say in their government.

        Those are the things we're giving up. And what are we getting in return? Hero worship?
        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          Is there something about handing over your autonomy, leverage, and liberty that magically delivers a living wage, clean air and water, some 'right' to organize or a say in your government?

          There is nothing about Bitcoin that gives up any of that.

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    • The next step will be paying people in BTC

      You are close, but in reality what people will be paid in is called CBDC [americanbanker.com].

      That's what UBI will come through, and what will replace physical money, a digital currency managed by the government.

      • There will be no UBI, if you want sufficient money to live on you'll have to work.

        Money is already digital, most US dollars are not physical cash. That is how government has been paying people for decades. The USD as digital money happened likely before you were born.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      It's scrip. No t.

    • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

      Bitcoin has no links to feudalism or fascism. If anything, it is rampant economic liberalism, and a libertarian wet dream; a substance that, because it is not actually real, cannot be printed by all the damnable printing presses and lying ledgers. The force required to shut down Bitcoin is absolutely immense; money-printers will instead attack the cryptography and spread FUD in hopes to stop the existence of JUST ONE THING that they cannot print.

  • As a merchant there's no way in hell I'd accept a "currency" who's value can fluctuate by 20% overnight. I couldn't reprice my goods that fast. That might work for selling illegal drugs with their insane profit margin, but I'm pretty sure Best Buy would have a problem with it...
    • At this point VISA is not going to try to help people pay you (or BestBuy) in BitCoin. They're letting people convert their BitCoint to regular currency at the time of the transaction resulting in the companies being paid in USD, Euro etc.

      It's in the article summary (not that the article itself is much longer than the summary).
      "And secondly, working with Bitcoin wallets to allow the Bitcoin to be translated into a fiat currency and therefore immediately be able to be used at any of the 70 million places aro

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        by Train0987 ( 1059246 )

        It'll be fun to see how they do that with multi-day settlements for BTC transactions. When the bottom does fall out of BTC it will happen in a couple hours, maybe minutes.

    • Very simple, there is zero risk to Visa since they are immediately turning into actual money. They aren't assuming anything about the game token that is Bitcoin.

    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      Commodities including gold and silver fluctuate by as much on speculative markets and yet you can buy frozen orange juice at Walmart, jewelry, and most sane people would eagerly accept gold/silver as payment in place of fiat, even prefer it. Oven's fluctuate by as much and yet a smaller than 20% margin of average temperature cooking requirement can be facilitated to cook a soufflé.

      Speculative markets don't instantly impact trade. Most retailers also aren't on as tight of margins as you imply, regularly

      • let alone a more volatile commodity. But as others pointed out this is actually just them running a bitcoin exchange with extra steps.
      • Fallacy, this isn't about bitcoin for merchants at all. Visa will convert into money from the game token bitcoin at time of purchase. Zero risk to Visa, zero risk to merchant. If bitcoin (again and again as before) plummets in value the only one taking a beating will be the holder of the game token bitcoin, the purchaser.

  • by Jemm ( 747958 ) on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:00PM (#61169984)
    Visa takes way too high a cut on each transaction. My hope for crypto was to do away with this plague on society.
    • by Poorcku ( 831174 )
      And it will. Sovereign control over my own funds, without censorship is the best thing that could have ever happened to me. 24h banking, right from my node, without the government setting hard limits on transactions.
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      It may well do so but by the time that happens VISA/MASTERCARD will own serious mining power and a huge portfolio of coin. Miners are the card processors of crypto, they get all the fees.

    • Visa takes way too high a cut on each transaction. My hope for crypto was to do away with this plague on society.

      By paying high transaction fees to someone else?

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      The real question is, will VISA add their tiny transaction fee to the gigantic bitcoin one?

  • A lot of early Bitcoiners wanted to get away from Visa and other payment processors. But now that Bitcoin has been turned into a money printer by miners and speculators a lot of companies are getting into it that shouldn't. This is like Britannica employing Wikipedia editors.
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      I prefer to think it is like when Blockbuster got into streaming. They had 7500 stores at that point.

  • Remember the guy that bought two pizzas with 10,000 Bitcoins... [bitcointalk.org]

    Good luck not making a mistake that like again (or if you're the vendor having the price crash right before you need to buy more supplies...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-02-10/who-bought-pizza-with-bitcoin-he-has-some-advice-for-tesla-fans [bloomberg.com]

  • What happens if I lose my password or someone manages to steal my bitcoin?

    • Can you remind me, because I forget. How long does it take to perform transaction? How fast can I convert my Bitcoin into euros?

    • What happens if I lose my password or someone manages to steal my bitcoin?

      Same thing that happens to paper money.

      If you lose it, it is gone (consider it destroyed essentially as the likelyhood of somebody else "finding" it is an astronomically impossibility short of quantum tech)

      If it is stolen, then the person who stole it has it. But unlike with paper money, there is a public audit of all transactions so the person who stole it has a wallet that can be seen by the entire world. So if those funds move out of the wallet to another wallet or is consumed at some place physical that

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