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136 Countries Agree To Minimum Corporate Tax Rate (cnn.com) 76

A group of 136 countries have agreed to a global treaty that would tax large multinationals at a minimum rate of 15% and require companies to pay taxes in the countries where they do business. CNN reports: Estonia, Hungary and -- most notably -- Ireland joined the agreement Thursday. It is now supported by all nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and the G20. The countries that signed on to the international treaty represent more than 90% of global GDP. Four countries that participated in the talks -- Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan and Sri Lanka -- have not yet joined the agreement. The Biden administration breathed new life into the global initiative earlier this year and secured the support of the G7 countries in June, paving the way for a preliminary deal in July. Ireland, which had declined to join the initial agreement in July, has a corporate tax rate of 12.5% -- a major factor in persuading companies such as Facebook, Apple and Google to locate their European headquarters in the country. Ireland signed up after the preliminary agreement was revised to remove a stipulation that rates should be set at a minimum of "at least 15%."

The new rate would apply to 1,556 multinationals based in Ireland, employing about 400,000 people. More than 160,000 businesses making less than $867 million in annual revenue and employing about 1.8 million people would still be taxed at 12.5%. Alongside a minimum corporate tax rate, the pact includes provisions to ensure that multinational companies pay tax where they generate sales and profits, and not just where they have a physical presence. That could have major ramifications for tech companies such as Google and Amazon, which have amassed vast profits in countries where they pay relatively little tax. The OECD expects implementation of the agreement to begin in 2023. But even with Ireland and other previous holdouts now on board, the deal still requires countries to pass domestic legislation.

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136 Countries Agree To Minimum Corporate Tax Rate

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  • It won't matter. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by waspleg ( 316038 ) on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:06PM (#61873963) Journal
    • by Anonymous Coward

      If the GQP get a lackey elected as POTUS in 2024, on day 1, they'll withdraw from this agreement as well as the Paris accord.
      Any other general field levelling agreements will also be history. After all, with MAGA and the GQP there can only be one No 1 and that is what is left of the USA after it splits into two or three separate states.

      That's what the likes of Tuckums, Bannon and the rest want to happen and they'll do anything they can to make it so.

    • Amazon pays all their EU taxes in Luxembourg. (17% already)

      Last year was their best ever and they managed to declare a deficit of 1.8 billion and got a tax credit instead of paying taxes.

      This won't work ever!

      • by Anonymous Coward

        And Bezos pays $0.00 in taxes. That is at the heart of the problem.

      • by flink ( 18449 )

        Corporations should be taxed on revenue, not profits. I get taxed on gross income, not income after I pay for housing, food, utilities, clothes, education, booze, durable goods, etc. They should collect a 15% revenue tax at time of sale or when a service is rendered just as they do for VAT or sales tax.

        • by EvilSS ( 557649 )
          15% of revenue could exceed the profit margin on a lot of goods, so you might as well just jack up the VAT by 15% because the end customer will end up paying it anyway.
          • by flink ( 18449 )

            I was thinking the tax could be a lot lower if revenue was taxed, as obviously there is more of it. If you tax profits enough to actually matter, then that cost will get passed on to the customer as well anyway. Taxing revenue also prevents accounting games where the company shows no official profit and yet somehow the owners and shareholders are mysteriously getting rich.

  • by Patent Lover ( 779809 ) on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:07PM (#61873965)
    "Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan and Sri Lanka -- have not yet joined the agreement" Guess we know where Apple is moving next.
  • Oh phew...I'm so glad we avoided that "race to the bottom" situation where governments actually had to try and have any semblance of competitiveness with their policies. I was worried for a second that we might eventually end up with something resembling competence.
    • by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:03PM (#61874215)
      Government still have to compete, just now all the Aces are not in the companies hands letting them take everything in the pot.
      • The global minimum tax that they set is at 15%, and in practice it's significantly higher in a lot of places. Most industries operate at a profit margin of around 5-7%. But you think that it's companies taking everything in the pot?
    • by SirSlud ( 67381 ) on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:09PM (#61874225) Homepage

      Sounds like somebody thinks a world in which the basis on which governments compete is by how much they cede to private enterprise is a good idea (as opposed to the dozens of other ways they can compete which is actually good for us, like healthy and educated workers, functional infrastructure and services, etc etc).

      Are humans here for economies or are economies here for humans? Sometimes I think people lose track of when the tail is wagging the dog.

      • True.

        But in a corporatist system, you need to attract money to make money (previously known as investment), until someone comes up with a better game to play.

        My cynical take is that this is just maintaining the hegemony of western countries, who have more infrastructure and services to offer, thereby cutting off developing economies from attracting favor by a nominal tax cut, leaving open more heinous means of attracting favor.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I don't really understand people complaining about this destroying tax competition; no major economy had tax as low as that anyway. The only places that did were a handful of tiny little backwaters like Ireland and the Cayman Islands and who used it to act as parasites on the global economy - any major economy, i.e. the actual engines of the world economy - can still lower tax 5% than they ever have done before.

          But given that's not the trajectory anyway it's even less meaningful. The UK dropped it's to 19%

      • Wrong question. The answer to the right question is that âyes, countries are for economies and without an economy there is literally no reason for a country to existâ. Both, in turn, exist for the people they concern.

      • Are humans here for economies or are economies here for humans?

        That question sorts the liberals from the rest of the political spectrum. When you ask whether an economy is successful, you can just look at the growth of money, but that does not generally correlate with improvements in the well-being of citizens. In fact growth in money-making may require hardship of some citizens, which would be a Bad Thing.

      • It's hilarious that what you term "ceding" I would instead call "government taking less of that which someone else made, by the compulsion of force".

        For example, I would not say the German government "ceded" concentration camp victims their freedom in 1945.

        Your use of that word clearly shows that you believe government is presumably entitled to everything people produce, and it is only through their largesse and restraint that we are allowed to keep something for our own needs.

        How generous!

        • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

          I would instead call "government taking less of that which someone else made, by the compulsion of force".

          Well, yes, that's something somebody would say if they were, in fact, stupid.

    • by jeff4747 ( 256583 ) on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:32PM (#61874253)

      Countries can compete on things that are not "who is closest to 0% tax". As an added bonus, they having enough funds mean those governments can afford to pay for competence.

      • Do you honestly think that this makes even an iota of difference to how much the politicians will spend (and just print money to make up the difference)? Also, your math is flawed: the last several times the U.S. government has raised corporate taxes, government income has gone down, because there's been less economic activity to tax. And the last several times they've lowered corporate taxes, the resulting economic boom has caused an increase in government income from taxation. If you want the U.S. governm
        • Also, your math is flawed: the last several times the U.S. government has raised corporate taxes, government income has gone down, because there's been less economic activity to tax

          Supply-side economists are absolutely sure certain things happen, when there's actually zero evidence they happen.

          Like this.

          And the last several times they've lowered corporate taxes, the resulting economic boom has caused an increase in government income from taxation

          And this.

          • Yes, I am absolutely certain that observable things in the past have happened. You're denying that they haven't? Certainly you can claim it was correlation and not causation, but the facts themselves are indisputable. Of course I am not certain that a similar course of action in the future would play out the same way.
            • Yes, I am absolutely certain that observable things in the past have happened.

              Great. Show your observations.

              I eagerly await examples like Reagan's tax cuts that did jack shit until Volker let up on interest rates. Or if you're younger, how Trump's cuts supposedly created a boom yet there's no corresponding inflection point in GDP growth. Oh, and revenue from both sets of cuts didn't jump like you are claiming.

              Or if you're even older, you might point to the first champion of supply-side success, JFK's cuts that supposedly did the same...yet revenue didn't increase until more than a

    • by Anonymous Coward
      yeah it isn't like 100's of other items exist that they can compete on that don't undermine the world economy. e.g. education, infrastructure, trade and treaties etc etc.
  • "Breathed new life into it" or in other words stopped blocking the initiative.
  • I thought this was an agreement in principle.
  • And it does not work. Solve real problems instead.
  • All corporate revenue comes from its customers
    A corporation has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders -- no one else
    If a government taxes corporate revenue or profit, the money will need to come from its customers. Unless of course they reduce staff, or executive salaries

    Rather than tax the corporation itself, the tax needs to apply to the individuals receiving the disbursements from that profit -- namely those shareholders and executives.
  • by Canberra1 ( 3475749 ) on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:09AM (#61874437)
    Sigh. Idiots. Ever wonder why GST or Sales tax is actually higher than most peoples income tax. There are a million ways for big corporates to cheat. Money already parked offshore and back to back deals are now 'clean'. The only way you get multinationals is some minimum ratio on turnover. BTW IP can be converted to a tax free royalty, mostly legally. I hope the USA is struck by inverse buyouts, then there will be nothing made in the US. The pandora papers highlighted again what goes on in plain sight. KEYWORDS : Arms length, Price transfer, Contrived arrangements with no commercial basis (hiding ultimate owner).
    • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )

      Sigh. Idiots. Ever wonder why GST or Sales tax is actually higher than most peoples income tax.

      For people on much more than median income, even in the USA, total income tax is typically going to be higher, I suspect, although it will vary depending on circumstances. For those on low earnings, sales tax is higher because there is a level of income disregard before income tax kicks in. For me, in the UK, even with 20% sales tax on most but not all things, I expect I pay more in income taxes than sales taxes. Certainly the marginal rates are much higher.

  • This is an odd treaty.
    Tax is levied to allow the government to perform its duties on behalf of the people. The amount and type of tax that is levied should be based on a calculation of how much income is required, balanced against the impact of taxation on various taxable sectors.
    This agreement seems to involve setting an arbitrary tax rate merely for the sake of setting a tax rate. If the tax isn't required by a state signatory, it's expected to collect it anyway.
    I am entirely on board with the idea tha
    • Its not strange at all. Without a minimum tax rate corporations just move all of their profits to whatever country has the lowest tax rate, usually Ireland. The result is that the the vast majority of countries collect no corporate tax at all on any corporation large enough to do the accounting work of moving its profits overseas. Ireland is basically stealing everyone else's tax revenue. So getting them to agree to raise their very low tax rate is a huge win for everyone else.

      • Without a minimum tax rate corporations just move all of their profits to whatever country has the lowest tax rate

        To fix that with a minimum corporate tax rate would require agreement from numerous nations that currently benefit from running financial institutions for parking funds with minimal taxation or oversight. Why would these countries change their policies? I don't think the current situation is satisfactory, but the fact is that one nation (e.g. the USA) cannot impose their laws on another nation (e.g. The British Virgin Islands).

      • So it's a form of protectionism, but one where other states are doing the protection in proxy, and reaping the money for it (which they may not even need). Which is kinda nuts. and counterproductive
        If a state wants to discourage companies moving out of the country and importing everything (physically or virtually), traditional protectionism exists (where taxes are levied on foreign companies in order to subsidize local ones). Alternatives exist too, such as forcing trade to be conducted via local subsidia
  • a handful of elites from 136 countries have made a non-binding agreement with each other. The PEOPLE of these countries made no such deal. The governments of these countries made no such deal.

    Wake me up when somebody passes a TREATY along these lines...

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