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Australia's Great Barrier Reef Will Survive if Warming Kept To 1.5 Degrees (reuters.com) 52

A study released on Friday by an Australian university looking at multiple catastrophes hitting the Great Barrier Reef has found for the first time that only 2% of its area has escaped bleaching since 1998, then the world's hottest year on record. From a report: If global warming is kept to 1.5 degrees, the maximum rise in average global temperature that was the focus of the COP26 United Nations climate conference, the mix of corals on the Barrier Reef will change but it could still thrive, said the study's lead author Professor Terry Hughes, of the Australian Research Council's Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies. "If we can hold global warming to 1.5 degrees global average warming then I think we'll still have a vibrant Great Barrier Reef," he said. Bleaching is a stress response by overheated corals during heat waves, where they lose their colour and many struggle to survive. Eighty percent of the World Heritage-listed wonder has been bleached severely at least once since 2016, the study by James Cook University in Australia's Queensland state found. "Even the most remote, most pristine parts of the Great Barrier Reef have now bleached severely at least once," Hughes said.
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Australia's Great Barrier Reef Will Survive if Warming Kept To 1.5 Degrees

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    • Some will die, others will live. Corals have been around for half a billion years. They have seen worse.
      • Ideally we shouldn't kill them off faster than new corals can evolve.

        • Ideally we shouldn't kill them off faster than new corals can evolve.

          They have survived global extinction events. They will still be here long after the blip that is us.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    The coral send out polyps that will float around. Some will end up in areas where the conditions are suitable for them to grow. Over time, new coral reefs will form. Some other life forms which prefer warmer water will move in to the areas formerly populated by the coral. Just as has happened since life first formed on the planet.
  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Thursday November 04, 2021 @08:22PM (#61958651) Journal
    Ronald Regan famously asked "A tree is a tree is a tree is a tree... How many you want to see?". Republicans are very good with sound bites and quickies. So you can easily extend this to "A fish is a fish is a fish ... how many more you wish?".

    I don't think we will keep the warming down to 1.5 degrees. If we can't them wear a mask or take the vaccine to save their own cancer survivor mom, you think they will be kind to some fish in some strange part of the world they are never going to even visit? Anyway they have paid 10$ a month to Disney to watch Finding Nemo and they probably count that as their contribution to the greens ....

    • Come on man, it is not good to make fun of people who were exhibiting Alzheimerâ(TM)s and dementia symptoms.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      A lot of people seem to think that the 1.5C means we don't exceed 1.5C. In fact it means we overshoot and get it back down to 1.5C by the end of the century. At this point it's almost impossible to avoid reaching 1.5C.

      If all the current pledges are met we are on target for 1.9C by 2100. If past performance is a guide to keeping pledges we are looking at about 2.5C.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      Republicans are very good with sound bites and quickies.
      They must be great quickies since almost 35 years after Reagan's presidency ended, people just like you are still using them.

      It sounds like someone is still a little upset from Tuesday's results in Virginia and beyond.

  • 1.5 degrees (Score:5, Interesting)

    by caseih ( 160668 ) on Thursday November 04, 2021 @08:28PM (#61958659)

    Lots of hysteria around 1.5 degrees. Unfortunately, it's not attainable even if everything changed today. From an interview with Andrew Weaver, a prominent Canadian climate scientist[1]:

    Interviewer: Let's get to the COP26 meeting in Glasgow. This meeting is meant to build on the Paris agreement of 2015, when the world's nations committed to keeping climate change to not more than two degrees---ideally 1.5 degrees. How are we doing on that?

    Weaver: Let's be very clear: one and a half degrees is unattainable---it's not possible. The world has warmed by 1.1 degrees already. We know that there's a permafrost carbon feedback that will add maybe another 0.2 on that. We know that if we do nothing but keep existing levels of greenhouse gases fixed at the present values, we've got a 0.6 degree warming. Really, two degrees is unlikely and it's all hands on deck for three.

    But there's nothing magic about one and a half degrees. And one of the things that I was most troubled about was when we started to see this narrative develop, 'We have 12 years left, we have 10 years left, we have eight years left.' And why that was troubling to me is I know many youth for which that message has been alarming and caused great angst and suffering and panic about their future. In fact, there's no scientific reason or rationale for 1.5 versus 2 vs 2.5. We know that the greater the warming, the worse it'll get. But let's not get hung up about 1.5.

    [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirk... [www.cbc.ca]

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      He is not the only expert with such calculations. The problem is that around 3C it gets really, really bad. And there may be yet undiscovered other booster effects for the change.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Sorry but that is nonsense. 1.5C was chosen because the best climate science says that 1.5C will be catastrophic but somewhat manageable, i.e. there won't be mass migrations of hundreds of millions of people, or major wars over resources and emissions.

      At 2.0C you would expect to see states failing and their populations trying to move somewhere else due to climate change. Even in developed nations there will be massive disruption and many areas will become uninhabitable. We are talking major changes to every

    • But there's nothing magic about one and a half degrees. And one of the things that I was most troubled about was when we started to see this narrative develop, 'We have 12 years left, we have 10 years left, we have eight years left.' And why that was troubling to me is I know many youth for which that message has been alarming and caused great angst and suffering and panic about their future.

      Then you have completely missed the point about the narrative. The point *was* to alarm. If I told you don't stand on the road you'll get hit by a car in 1.5 seconds, you're less likely to stand on the road.

      The world is fucked. With all the panic we can't achieve a target. What do you think would happen if the target were instead far higher?

      But let's not get hung up about 1.5.

      No, let's. Like really, let's focus on this. It's close. Keep it people's minds. The world should be based on achievement, not on participation awards.

  • by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Thursday November 04, 2021 @08:33PM (#61958667)

    Reef died!

    • Notice that it's worded is very carefully. They didn't say that the reef will die if the temperature goes over 1.5 degrees. They didn't say the reef will die at all.

      • They didn't say the reef will die at all.

        They don't have to, because that's already the general assumption. And since we expect to exceed 1.5 degrees warming, this statement is worthless.

  • What is the ref point? 1.5C since 1998? Or pre 1800s? BC?

    • 1st, 1970 at UTC, obviously.

      What else date would you pick? Or do you know the average planetary temperature of the year 1800?

    • The normally given baseline is the mean global temperature from 1900 to 1980, or something very similar.

      However, it doesn't really matter. Until unregulated industrialization massively disrupted it, earth's mean temperature had been within +-0.5*C of the same value for nearly 11000 years, and within a quarter degree for nearly 4000. So all of those values are essentially the same.

      Earth's surface temperature has increased by as much in the last 80 years as it did every 1000+ years during the end of the
  • https://www.aims.gov.au/reef-m... [aims.gov.au] Northern reef - 27% increased coral cover in 2021, 16/54 reefs with low bleaching, 38/54 with no bleaching Central reef - 26% increased coral cover in 2021, 26/53 reefs with low bleaching, 27/53 with no bleaching Southern reef - 39% increased coral cover in 2021, 10/20 reefs with low bleaching, 10/20 with no bleaching Definitely need to spend more money, it can't survive on its own with terrible improvements like the above.
  • Which will never grow if Global Temperature rise is kept below 1.5 degrees. Global Warming is not without its benefits.
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:59AM (#61959369)

    The human race will never succeed in limiting warming to 1.5C. Most people and the "leadership" we have _still_ have not understood what is going on.

  • Scott "Big Banana" Morrison still burns coal like there was no tomorrow and that way, there won't be one.

  • ...that most GBR bleaching has been found to be the result of agricultural runoff?

  • Come on, guys. Let's get on with the New Great Dying! Humanity has finally found its true purpose!

    • The problem of global warming is called this way, because the scale, according to various estimates, is simply incredible, and the consequences from all world processes in the next decades can be dire. Actions aimed at joining efforts have an important role, and if you have not yet figured out these questions, then click to read [studydriver.com] and learn an expert selection of articles on global warming, after studying which you will look at this problem in a different way and most likely want to start doing the first your
  • by speedlaw ( 878924 ) on Friday November 05, 2021 @09:37AM (#61959813) Homepage
    Even as a nothing special sport-diver, I've seen spots where a bit of warming kills the corals, with live corals not far off-the difference is the live corals are getting cooler water running off the sea bottom and the dead ones are in areas with less "breeze"-t's close to see live vs. dead and the temp difference isn't great. Once you've seen healthy coral up close, then the dead and dying-and the loss of all the sea life around it-it is like burning down a forest. Yah, I'm just one rec diver clown, but you don't need a PhD to see what is happening. edit-fuck the lameness filter-nazis somehow still get swastikas posted and if I use three periods it kicks out.
    • it is like burning down a forest

      No, it's far worse than that. If you go to a burnt down forest a year later you'll find it teeming with new growth and life. A reef takes literally millennia to form.

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