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America's Farmers Are Bogged Down by Data (wsj.com) 54

A decade after data analytics promised to revolutionize agriculture, most farmers still aren't using data tools or specialized software, and of those who do, many are swamped in a deluge of data. From a report: In 2013, seed and pesticide giant Monsanto acquired agriculture-data firm Climate Corporation for $1 billion, helping spur the industry's mania for data-driven farming. The hope was that by outfitting farmers with software and tools capable of ingesting and analyzing troves of data on things from weather patterns to soil conditions, they could more efficiently use their land. Many are still waiting for the technology to pay off. In the U.S., less than half of farmers surveyed by consulting firm McKinsey are using farm management software, and 25% are using remote-sensing and precision agriculture hardware. That software is a foundational technology in enabling the autonomous machinery and AI-enabled equipment of the future, analysts say, and unless farmers start using it, some will be left behind in the next decade of farm innovation. At the moment, 3% of American farmers said they plan to adopt software or precision agriculture hardware over the next two years, according to McKinsey.

Certain tools can automatically gather data from internet-connected farm equipment, but others require farmers to manually enter the information. For a specific field, for instance, that could total over a dozen crop-protection products and multiple seeds. Even those who are using the tech say they can find it difficult to draw useful conclusions from it. "We're collecting so much data that you're almost paralyzed with having to analyze it all," said David Emmert, a corn and soybean farmer in West Central Indiana who works about 4,300 acres. [...] The first generation of digital farming tools also wasn't easy for farmers to use. Software was slow, interfaces were complex and difficult to manage. "The industry does need to step up a little bit on continuing to improve the customer experience," said David Fiocco, a McKinsey partner focused on agriculture. In recent years, big tech vendors like Microsoft, Amazon and Google have begun tailoring their cloud-computing, data and artificial-intelligence services to agriculture, bringing along expertise that could help address complications that have long plagued farm data management and analytics.

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America's Farmers Are Bogged Down by Data

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  • by Mspangler ( 770054 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:05PM (#63788320)

    Would be my guess as to the root cause. You know, that diminishing returns thing that accountants flet out refuse to believe in.

    • I checked my email and look what's there:

      "At Rivulis, we have embarked on an exciting journey in climate farming. The Rivulis Climate division is currently responsible for over 5% of all approved Climate farming projects listed worldwide.

      Climate farming offers a new additional revenue stream to growers from their agricultural activity. However, applying for, certifying, and documenting climate credits is a complicated and expensive endeavor. Our recent webinar sheds light on the intricacies of the climate f

      • I live in the country but not on a farm, why am I getting this?

        Because you share a zip code with a lot of farmers.

    • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:34PM (#63788570)

      A lot of this depends on what types of farms they are talking about. Only 3.2% of family farms make over $1 million in revenue [usda.gov], and non-family farms are only 2.2% of all farms, so when the article says 3% of farmers are planning on adopting these data driven software and hardware tools that may represent over half of all large farms with enough acreage to make this type of investment worth it.

      There are so many potentially misleading figures given in the summary (I cannot read the article). It says less than half of farmers interviewed use farm management software, but about half of all farms make less than $10k in revenue. I'd like to think McKinsey was only interviewing full time farmers, but there is no mention of the demographics of the farmers questioned. Without that insight, saying half of all farmers use this kind of software sounds incredibly high. If they only mean mid-size to large farms, that would make more sense.

      • How can 1/2 of farmers make less than 10K in revenue (I assume you mean per year) seriously that's not income how can someone live off that. To me if you are making that much you are not a farmer, you have a hobby that is farming.

        Unless you are talking about farming worldwide, then that makes sense since there are probably a lot of poor farmers around the world.

        • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:56PM (#63788904)

          How can 1/2 of farmers make less than 10K in revenue (I assume you mean per year) seriously that's not income how can someone live off that. To me if you are making that much you are not a farmer, you have a hobby that is farming.

          Unless you are talking about farming worldwide, then that makes sense since there are probably a lot of poor farmers around the world.

          No, that is half of all US farms as defined by the US Department of Agriculture. To make matters worse, that is total revenue, not gross profit. I couldn't quickly find numbers on average gross profit for smaller farms, but I'd guess they are around 25%. I believe the expenses of those farms making $10k in revenue could easily be $7-8k.

          As you can guess, then, it includes people who do not farm as their full time profession. In fact, a majority of the 2 million farms in the US are not the primary source of income for the farmers who own them. This is why it is dubious any time you see statistics about farmers that don't classify the size of their operations.

        • by ScienceBard ( 4995157 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:39PM (#63789002)

          My dad has had years with very close to zero income. A good year might net in the low six figures, but most of that would get (literally) plowed back into the farm. A pretty common practice is to increase outlays on soil ammendments in good years, then in bad years skip doing it. Basically treat the dirt like a bank. The same thing gets done with equipment, etc.

          Anyway, time averaged I'd be shocked if he's making more than maybe 20 grand a year. And keep in mind it's not like he has benefits. That's running a full time operation of around 1000 acres. There's a lot of farmers like that, most rely on a wife that has a more steady income and insurance to help limp through the bad times when they come. To make anything approaching a decent living (think well paid tradesman or white collar job) realistically you need in the realm of 10,000 acres, dependent on the region and soil quality of course. That's a big farm, with multiple employees and an office manager. Small farming is low paid thankless work, but I wouldn't call it a hobby. More like a lifestyle. Those guys do it till they drop dead, where most of us would sell the land and retire to Hawaii.

          • by caseih ( 160668 )

            I agree it's a lifestyle.

            Around here, even very small farms can make money, provided they have equipment. That's the rub. If they don't, or don't have other land to subsidize the capital costs, the only option is renting, which in my area is decent money. I've got several neighbors with 1 or 2 quarter sections of land, and they rent those and that is probably a decent yearly income for them.

        • I had friends that farmed as a hobby. The soil was so good, that they just had to work in the spring to plant for two weeks, then harvest and transport in the fall. The rest of year they worked normal 9-5 jobs. The farms weren't big, not really sure how big, but they grew up on farms and enjoyed the lifestyle but needed more consistent money outside of the farm.
    • acquired agriculture-data firm Climate Corporation for $1 billion

      Or you could buy my granddad a beer and he'd look at your property and tell you to plant this there, let that bit lie fallow for now, don't do anything with that because it's prone to flooding, and move the cattle over there in summer. No need for a flood of data or a billion dollars.

    • That's some of it, but also there are many stubborn farmers who won't let science dictate what they do. Listen to a farmer podcast and you'll hear them flat out refuse to believe basic soil science, instead rely on their gut. Those are obviously smaller operators. Which you'd think their shooting themselves in the foot would put them out of business, but no. They do enough of the basics on great soil that they still prosper. Its just they are mortgaging their future by not taking care of the soil. Its like
  • I'm really not sure that we can afford to let McKinsey near our food production; especially during what's already a less-than-optimal period.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:19PM (#63788354)

    When a company like Monsanto buys a specialized smaller firm - like Climate Corporation - they're not doing it to help the farmers. They're doing it because they believe they can make more money by convincing the farmers to pay them for some service that smaller firm provides. Given the nature of business decision-making, it doesn't matter a whole lot to them whether those gullible farmers actually realize a significant benefit of that service - inertia means once the farmers have bought in, a significant percentage of them will keep paying month after month, regardless of the outcome.

    I suspect most data that would actually be useful to the farmers is already available for free from the various agencies of the federal government.

    • "I suspect most data that would actually be useful to the farmers is already available for free from the various agencies of the federal government." - or the farmer's almanac.

    • by JeffOwl ( 2858633 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:04PM (#63788502)
      The issue isn't general climate data. The issue is the data specific to the individual farm. For at least a couple of decades there have been tools (at various levels of readiness) that measure things like how crop yield changes across a field. More recently we are seeing tools that show: What weeds tend to grow where in a field. Which pests affect which areas of the field. How fields drain and what parts need more irrigation or less. This allows more efficient use of fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, and water. There is a whole industry built around using drones with various types of sensors (visual color, IR, EM, etc) to map farmer's fields for this type of thing. The types of systems we are talking about here combine the data from local measurement with more general weather and climate data to provide a precision prescription to the farmer that can be downloaded into compatible spraying and irrigation equipment (for example) to automatically apply the appropriate treatment to different areas of the field.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by toxonix ( 1793960 )
      I interviewed at Climate Corp before Monsanto bought it. My colleague is VP of engineering there, and he thought I might like it. I didn't like the idea - the basics sounded fine: A farm with ~5000 or so acres or smaller is there target market. They said their tools could help farmers decide whether to irrigate today or not, which could save them a lot of money and conserve water. They were into IOT and stuff like that, lots of sensors collecting data and running them through some sorta modeling system - d
      • When Bayer talks about no-till farming, they're talking about spraying the entire field with glyphosate instead of tilling.

        Tilling is extremely damaging to the environment. It leads to erosion, carbon release, and desertification.

        I helped my mom switch her farm to no-till a decade ago. The runoff from her fields used to look like muddy sludge. Today it's crystal clear. She avoids the cost of plowing. She uses less fertilizer and less irrigation water.

        Yes, no-till uses glyphosate. But so does 90% of plowed fields.

        • by caseih ( 160668 )

          The next frontier is so-called "regenerative farming." Not tilling is important, but it's also important to build soil health. Doing so reduces weed pressure dramatically, and reduces the need to use herbicides in general. As well intercropping reduces weed and disease pressure, and reduces fertilizer needs. In my opinion fungicide is extremely harmful to the soil, much more so than glyphosate. There are some fascinating talks from farmers who are doing this on a fairly large scale with impressive resu

        • No-till is definitely a better way to farm, depending on soil conditions, but glyphosate is a long-term losing solution for everyone who eats food. It's pretty hard to do industrial scale corn and soybeans for export or ethanol production, but farmers and AG engineers are figuring out better ways to do things that don't have such health risks. Dicamba, 2,4-D should be banned too.
    • When a company like Monsanto buys a specialized smaller firm ... They're doing it because they believe they can make more money

      When a company like X does Y, they're doing it because they believe they can make more money.

    • by Pascoea ( 968200 )

      I suspect most data that would actually be useful to the farmers is already available for free from the various agencies of the federal government.

      Weather data, sure. But a lot of what's being done today is with automated or semi-automated sensor systems, think stuff like drones with infrared cameras and soil-based sensors to monitor the need for pesticide/herbicide/fertilizer/water applications. That kind of data isn't available from the government and provides a lot of information that you're not going to get from a weather forecast.

  • by nightflameauto ( 6607976 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:27PM (#63788380)

    Americans Are Bogged Down by Data

    Apologies up-front for excluding other people. I can only speak from the experience I've had myself.

    I kinda defy anyone to say they aren't bogged down by data at this point. Whether it's the willing (social media zombies) or the unwilling (work inundating us with a constant stream of bullshit upon bullshit because data has become it's own value and the bosses seem to expect that us techies should get auto-emails about every single data-point) we're all under the flood.

    We're living in a really interesting time. The explosion of data as a value asset is growing faster than any human mind could comprehend, yet our systems are not yet "intelligent" enough to filter through the detritus and hand us, the lowly fleshbags, only the parts we need to accomplish what we want. So where is the true value in all that data? Probably somewhere in the future, when automation gets smart enough to stop inundating us with every variable expecting us, as end users, to have all the answers that the system automation was supposed to be providing us.

    Or we'll just crapflood every aspect of our lives until get to the point where we wake up, plug into the data stream, zombie out for sixteen hours, then fall back asleep. Which seems to be the direction everything is pointing now.

    I'm glad I tapped out of farming right before the automation creep started making everything yet another computer controlled nightmare. Thank god for my bicycle or I'd never get a break from the constant digital hellscape.

    • by caseih ( 160668 )

      And yet I don't know a single farmer who would ever go back to not having auto steer after having it! And nearly everyone running the latest generation of Deere, Claas, and CNH combine settings automation would not go back either. Definitely gains there from "digital," both quality of life and actual profit.

      Like everything (including Teslas and self-driving cars), it's incremental innovation.

      We're considering buying into Climate Fieldview in part because governments (and buyers) are increasingly pressurin

      • And yet I don't know a single farmer who would ever go back to not having auto steer after having it! And nearly everyone running the latest generation of Deere, Claas, and CNH combine settings automation would not go back either. Definitely gains there from "digital," both quality of life and actual profit.

        Like everything (including Teslas and self-driving cars), it's incremental innovation.

        We're considering buying into Climate Fieldview in part because governments (and buyers) are increasingly pressuring us to keep verifiable records of all farm operations and inputs, and Climate can record this information automatically right from the machine.

        Like with all things, I'm sure there are some benefits. But this article wouldn't exist if it were all sunshine and roses. The data-spew is a flood that most of us aren't equipped to handle. When automation creates more work, nobody's better off.

        Which is especially hilarious as I just got out of a meeting discussing how automation made a job take times longer per transaction for the CS reps because of the growing data-spew. Somebody failed some part of understanding what automation is supposed to do. Which

        • by caseih ( 160668 )

          Farm automation is quite a bit different than that. Even with the technology we have currently, I, with three other people, can farm land that a hundred years ago would have required many times that more people, take longer to do, and be much harder. Although in some ways I don't call that progress.... back then maybe 20 families lived on my farm and all had good lifestyles and sociality. Work is good and too many people aren't interested in it. Don't get me wrong, farming is plenty hard these days and

          • Farm automation is quite a bit different than that. Even with the technology we have currently, I, with three other people, can farm land that a hundred years ago would have required many times that more people, take longer to do, and be much harder. Although in some ways I don't call that progress.... back then maybe 20 families lived on my farm and all had good lifestyles and sociality. Work is good and too many people aren't interested in it. Don't get me wrong, farming is plenty hard these days and I work long hours that are physically demanding even if I do have computers doing some things.

            The same could have been said of my time, when we were down to three guys working what would have been a 20-30 man operation a decade or two prior. All I'm talking about is the subject of this article here, stating openly that farmers are being flooded with data. Everybody is. The data as asset philosophy is flooding us all.

  • Nowhere does it mention how farmers are "bogged down". It's a poorly assembled list of companies and divisions that offer data services for agriculture. The best part is where it mentions "the next big wave" as precision agriculture. Not the next big wave as it's been in used for going on 20 years. A clue to that is the "precision agriculture" link is to an 11 yr old article.

    The piece has all the quality and substance of an AI written article.
  • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:45PM (#63788448)

    > decade after data analytics promised to revolutionize agriculture, most farmers still aren't using data tools or specialized software, and of those who do, many are swamped in a deluge of data.

    Here's a response from an actual farmer about analytics and data driven farming. This was prompted by the fertilizer bans:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • Tough Market (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:00PM (#63788492)

    I've known some people doing startups in agriculture and a big issue is farmers aren't that interested.

    Farmers are extremely hard working and skilled in a lot of areas, but they're also fairly conservative. If you're an ambitious and adventurous kid growing up on a farm you don't become an ambitious and adventurous farmer, you leave the farm and do something else.

    The kids who are left, they may have the smarts and grit to make it as a farmer, but if they were the type to jump into new technologies then they wouldn't have stayed on the farm.

    • Eh, my experience has been the real young guys actually are pretty tech savvy and willing to try new things, but remember these are typically inherited operations. You might have an older family member you need to convince to sign off on a purchase, or you might just be looking at some new gizmo thinking "man that's neat, but dad's never going to understand this shit."

      You'd be surprised the number of drones flying over the heartland now. That's a technology that has proven itself, and it's being embraced be

      • Eh, my experience has been the real young guys actually are pretty tech savvy and willing to try new things, but remember these are typically inherited operations. You might have an older family member you need to convince to sign off on a purchase, or you might just be looking at some new gizmo thinking "man that's neat, but dad's never going to understand this shit."

        You'd be surprised the number of drones flying over the heartland now. That's a technology that has proven itself, and it's being embraced because of it.

        Oh drones are big for sure, but it's probably taken a while for it to become a proven tech.

        To be clear, I'm not trying to criticize farmers, I think it's a profession where caution is rewarded. Try a fancy new piece of equipment near harvest time, lose a couple of weeks, and suddenly you don't get one of your fields harvested before the snow. Try some weird high value crop and it turns out the soil or climate isn't quite right and you lose a pile of money. Get distracted with some fancy analytics tool and y

    • Farmers are also notoriously cheap and watch *every* penny. So they are naturally leery of companies that offer "free" equipment up front and try to lock them in on the back end. They have seen this scam many times before.

  • American farmers are bogged down by climate change.

  • by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:05PM (#63788506)
    why would the farmer analyze his own weather patterns, surely there are online services that do that.
    • why would the farmer analyze his own weather patterns, surely there are online services that do that.

      I'm guessing it's analyze the extremely local weather patterns w.r.t. his or her particular fields.

      Ever wondered how much you should water (or fertilize) your garden after a particular rain (or with a particular rain forecast)?

      Now imagine your garden is spread over acres and you might not have even seen part of it for a few weeks.

      • I understand, but given the array of short and long time- and geography-spanning factors in forecasting weather - I would have thought it better for the farmer to install a few local weather monitoring stations around his farm and link them into a broader network through a service provider.
  • by Eunomion ( 8640039 ) on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:09PM (#63788516)
    Just as dictionaries are not language, and numbers are not math. The downfall of the "first" IT revolution from the 1980s to the 2010s was that the profitability and power of the con was too great, selling sand and calling it soil. Almost none of it came to anything.

    People who extol the modern age with its phones and...phones, and...more phones...live in a fantasy world. Challenge them to do something with their phone, they'll send out a request for someone else to come and do something for them, with a totally unrelated and much less-advanced technology. Someone shows up to deliver something in an ICE car; maybe they'll be rescued from a disaster in a helicopter designed in 1965. Etc.

    There are a few companies that are actually applying information technology, but they are still dishearteningly rare.
    • Some tech is getting better. I love using a computer for word processing, vastly better than my old Selectric, which itself was vastly better than my old manual typewriter.

      With that said, word processing in 2023 is not improved over what it was in 1993, 30 years ago. OK, we've got better spell checking now, but that's about it.

      • It's more polished, but "better" is a stretch.

        A horse-drawn carriage from 1890 was probably smoother and more durable than one from 1750, but it was all the same Stone Age crap to someone born riding even in the first automobiles.

        The past few decades have been frozen in amber, if not backsliding. All this money and talent pissed away chasing data and manipulations of data, it's all so much marketing gibberish. And people are so brainwashed, they will insist otherwise: From inside their shrinking hou
  • Real case: drough. The little water left is for humans. How data can help?
  • So the hugely profitable companies that hire the few people who can do this aren't giving away their expertise to farmers? And the farmers aren't suddenly learning to both be programmers AND farmers on their own?

    Crazy... who'd have thought that throwing untested or regulated "solutions" at something important like our food sources might cause issues? And that the free market is an excuse to externalize everything possible, and to see what they can get away with before they're punished.

  • Who woulda thunk.

  • Businesses that heavily rely on data collection and analysis are often using it for decision making. The reasons for using data in decision making vary (whether it’s due to regulation, due to accountability to investors, or due to leadership’s fear and indecisiveness), but the data is meant to lend credibility to the decision making. Sometimes this is useful, but sometimes it is a scam: Either the data doesn’t support the conclusion, or the data cannot lead to a single authoritative conclu

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