Ubuntu 24.04 LTS 'Noble Numbat' Officially Released (9to5linux.com) 34
prisoninmate shares a report from 9to5Linux: Canonical released today Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) as the latest version of its popular Linux-based operating system featuring some of the latest GNU/Linux technologies and Open Source software. Powered by Linux kernel 6.8, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS features the latest GNOME 46 desktop environment, an all-new graphical firmware update tool called Firmware Updater, Netplan 1.0 for state-of-the-art network management, updated Ubuntu font, support for the deb822 format for software sources, increased vm.max_map_count for better gaming, and Mozilla Thunderbird as a Snap by default.
It also comes with an updated Flutter-based graphical desktop installer that's now capable of updating itself and features a bunch of changes like support for accessibility features, guided (unencrypted) ZFS installations, a new option to import auto-install configurations for templated custom provisioning, as well as new default installation options, such as Default selection (previously Minimal) and Extended selection (previously Normal)."
It also comes with an updated Flutter-based graphical desktop installer that's now capable of updating itself and features a bunch of changes like support for accessibility features, guided (unencrypted) ZFS installations, a new option to import auto-install configurations for templated custom provisioning, as well as new default installation options, such as Default selection (previously Minimal) and Extended selection (previously Normal)."
Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)
>"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."
Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages. Users should always have a choice for native packages- you know, the ones that take little disk space and are not complicated to manage.
Having the choice to use a container package is fine/great- they can be useful. But abandoning native packages is bad. And if you are going to support containers, using snap would probably be the worst choice. It is why Linux Mint not only has native packages for the major stuff that Ubuntu doesn't, but they also fully support flatpak and not snap.
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>"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."
Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages.
My first reaction too, docker etc. It bugs me when some software is only easily available packaged into a docker container.
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>"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."
Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages. Users should always have a choice for native packages- you know, the ones that take little disk space and are not complicated to manage.
You have a choice. Ubuntu hasn't uninstalled aptitutde and you can always add a custom repo to your source list. But fundamentally while I *hate* snap I really disagree with your point. The fundamental point of a distribution is that someone makes decisions for you. The issue here is that Ubuntu isn't the right choice for you, but we shouldn't be saying that any distro should be forced to follow the opinions of anyone other than their own maintainers, because in doing so it would lead to all distros being t
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Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)
The good news is that there are other distributions available that don't use snap. And even some that make snap use your choice.
So I don't agree that Ubuntu should get rid of snap. I think it's good that different distributions use different technologies, so each person can find the one that is right for them.
I, for one, have never noticed any problems using Ubuntu (snap included). It all just works, for my uses anyway.
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The first thing I do after installing ubuntu is rip snap completely off the machine. I love Mint but I tend to update hardware frequently and LTS editions only just do not give me the bleeding edge hardware support that I need. Snap needs to burn in hell. It is the worst of the app store style packaging systems. None of them are good. I want my apps to be lean and mean and not have 10-15 apps whether snap or appimage or any other system that all carry the exact same libraries that have to be unpacked when y
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More of the same (Score:5, Informative)
As for me, I'll pass. When Ubuntu started doing bloatware, I stopped using Ubuntu and went back to reliable distros like Debian. I don't miss it.
Re:More of the same (Score:4)
When Ubuntu started doing bloatware, I stopped using Ubuntu and went back to reliable distros like Debian. I don't miss it.
I too switched away from Ubuntu when they started replacing packages with snaps. Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself. I strongly considered Debian, but went with Mint 21 (Cinnamon) -- Snap is available, but disabled by default.
Re:More of the same (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself.
Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.
Re:More of the same (Score:4, Interesting)
Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself.
Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.
As far as I know, Firefox is only available from Ubuntu as a Snap -- at least using the standard/default package repositories. I think Emacs as well and TFA now says Thunderbird too. If people want that or want to mess around with configuring other repos (PPA), fine, to each their own, but many others don't want that. Other than Canonical not having to support packaging for those various apps, and wasting a bunch of disk space with the snaps, not sure how it benefits them to alienate a segment of their prospective users.
How to Install Firefox as DEB on Ubuntu (Not Snap) [omgubuntu.co.uk]
Firefox is the default web browser in Ubuntu but as of 2022 it’s packaged as a snap app, with a traditional DEB version only available for users of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and earlier.
[goes on to explains how to remove/disable Snap version, add Mozilla PPA, install from there, etc...]
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>"Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there."
You haven't looked very hard, then. And the number will go up with each release. It is one of several reasons Linux Mint is continuously gaining in popularity.
Chromium (Score:2)
Ok, then please point me to to their offcial .deb for Chromium please?
P.S. One of several key desktop packages that are snap only with the list growing.
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Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.
False. You may think you're getting a deb package but Ubuntu will actively circumvent your attempts. For example, try running "sudo snap remove firefox". Then run "sudo apt install firefox" ... Ubuntu traps this request and reinstalls the snap.
There are multiple packages in their official source list that operate this way. If you want to install firefox as a .deb package you literally cannot do it from an Ubuntu repository. There are whole guides on the internet of how to work around this for multiple apps,
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kool (Score:2)
Kewl (Score:3)
>"Ubuntu 24.04 LTS 'Noble Numbat' Officially Released"
Kewl, because that means a new Linux Mint will be on the way soon.
https://linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]
And I seem to be more fascinated by their LMDE project, although I haven't decided to jump to it from regular Mint quite yet...
https://linuxmint.com/download... [linuxmint.com]
Systemd, snap, and requires $$ for updates? (Score:3)
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requires $$ for updates
[citation needed]
Ubuntu: the Microsoft of Linux (Score:3)
Snap has it bad.
Great harm has come to youbuntus.
All the best software runs without systemd anyways. Not being able to run snaps is an advantage. For sure your machine will run faster and battery life will be longer and have fewer security issues. It's less moving parts.
I could offer some ideas on that, but
<...whispers... devvv........ooo.....aaawn.......>
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What a name! (Score:2)
How about Nomore Numbnuts instead? Oh wait, that's not an animal...
I DO wish that would become Ubuntu's motto though - maybe then they'd stop ramming Snaps down users' throats.
FWIW there are some pre-packaged applications that I like and use. But a) I favour AppImage and Flatpak over Snap, and b) I want the choice between APT and standalone. That's a major reason for me running Mint instead of Ubuntu.
When does it hit the upgrade servers? (Score:2)
Anyone know when it hits the do-release-upgrade servers?
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Some references will suggest using the '-d' flag to do-release-upgrade, but that has a very limited window (weeks) where it may do what you want it to.
If interested in more details, see the accepted answer to https://askubuntu.com/question... [askubuntu.com]
release link (Score:2)
A little bit of a win and a lot of a loss (Score:2)
My daily is Debian 12 with Gnome and it runs flawlessly. Installed Ubuntu 24.04 on a spare partition because I do like Ubuntu and like to keep track of where it's at for it's LTS releases.
Frankly, the visual differences between Debian's version of Gnome and Ubuntu's is not readily apparent to me. File managers "improved' speed is not noticeable to me either...whatever.
Thunderbird is now a snap on Ubuntu but I couldn't bring over my Debian Thunderbird config, the one that resides in ~/.thunderbird.
Ubuntu's s
does not support apple m series... (Score:2)
I like it (Score:1)