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Review:Star Wars:The Phantom Menance 649

I've seen it. A gang of LinuxExpo attendees and exhibitors ranging from Larry Augustin and Tim O'Reily all the way to Raster and Mandrake and lowly scum like Hemos and I raided a local NC theater. A large number of the people in the group had already seen the movie, but I went in as open minded as I could be. My review will attempt to be as spoiler free as possible, but no guarantees. The short review is that I really liked it, but with a few disclaimers. It is not a perfect movie, but it ain't bad.

Is it everything the world has hyped it up to be? Of course not. Is it a good movie? Yeah. Are we (the old school Star Wars fanatics) going to be happy? Not all of us... maybe not even most of us. The thing to remember is that in the last 20 years a lot has changed. Standards have risen, and we've read more into a few simple movies than any of its creators ever imagined. 3 movies that were pretty good. Flawed to be sure, but entertaining. And this movie is no different.

The plot loosely follows a pair of Jedi: The Master (Liam Neeson) and The Apprentice (Ewan McGregor) off to save the planet Naboo. There's a sidetrack to Tatooine where a kid (anakin, duh) is discovered. There's There's some daring do, a big battle scene, intergalactic politics, a kick ass bad guy, and a happy ending with a big question mark.

The movie is a fun ride, but it is flawed. Jar Jar Binks is one of the most annoying charachters to grace the silver screen. But does he ruin the movie? Well... no more than Mark Hamil in Star Wars. Remember that movie? Do you remember how annoying he is? Welcome to George Lucas directing. Annoying charachters just happen to be Lucas's dark side. Frankly I wish he would have been edited out, reduced, or at least given a less obnoxious voice. The whole audience seemed to cringe during any major Jar Jar sequence. It was painful.

But most of the other charachters are pretty cool. Obi Wan and Qui Gonn are both cool. The Queen is pretty excellent (and actually quite believable, except when she's holding her blaster) Anakin seems to be taking a lot of criticism, but he does a good job:a few "Yippees!" and cute little boy facial expressions could have been edited out, but as a whole he does a good job. R2D2 and C3PO are in there and pretty cool. Palpatine is dull and predictable, and Darth Maul- while even more predictable, is truly a joy to watch in battle.

Another common criticism is the mysticism overload. Its definitely there- and some of it is really campy. They've come up with a way to "measure" the force in people. Of course Anakin is off the charts. The worst part is the blatant references to the boy as a messianic charachter inserted so loudly that my brain was realing from the impact. But beyond those 2 glaring flaws, there was a lot of expansion of the Jedi myths that most fans will probably enjoy.

Visually the movie is astounding. Very colorful and detailed. The fx are largely quite astounding. The cursed Jar Jar is well animated in many scenes (less so in others). The senate is visually impressive- definitely added a lot to the political part of the film. The space battles are great.

The fighting rules. Watching Maul do battle with a pair of skilled Jedi is just awesome. That alone is worth the price of admission. Obi Wan vs. Darth Vader and Luke vs. Darth Vader is nothing compared to this.

So does Lucas have his masterpiece? No. Does he have a good movie? Yeah. And will he learn and round out his trilogy with a pair of stronger "Jar Jar Free" movies. God I hope so. But who am I kidding, I'll be there even if the second movie is "Jar Jar's Revenge".

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    The 2 Jedi/1 Sith fights were amazing. If that was the only thing I saw in the whole movie, it would have been worth my 8.25.

    I saw it at 12:01, and then again at 2 pm. I found the movie dragging along at the 2pm showing until it got to the fight.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    IMO too much computer animation is a bad thing. digital blubber just doesn't jiggle as naturally as good old foamed latex.
  • Is there a point to scoring down replies to a -1 comment? Ya know, anyone who sees the reply must, by definition, already be reading at score=-1 (otherwise the whole tree of comments and replies would've been hidden), so scoring down the comment does absolutely nothing to further hide the comment.

    One can only conclude that scoring down the comment is nothing more than a feel-good, i-am-god-kneel-before-me, power trip by an anonymous coward moderator (Funny how AC are despised, and yet, all moderators are ACs themselves. Hilarious!).

    Oh yeah, and don't forget to score this comment down too. It will not affect anyone who read the parent comment anyway and will suceed only in eating your moderator points (yum). So feed me. I'm starved! And afterward, I'll still be here, and just as visible as before.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Special Effects were pioneered by Lucas, ILM, and company, and they've certainly come a long way since ANH. Heck, they've come a long way since Wizard of Oz and the original Hunchback of Notre Dame.

    TPM had some beautiful ships that looked almost real, amazing scenery that set the stage for the movie, etc. But get over it!

    Lucas has said in many interviews (warning: paraphrasing ahead) that special effects are a tool to be used, not something to show off. Once you show off the effect, it loses its power. SFX guys who work really hard on these things have an urge to spend more screentime than necessary on displaying them, and its up to the director to limit that; just use the effect(s) as needed.

    Case in point: Star Trek I. Ten minutes of laps around the Enterprise make it look like a cardboard cutout, no matter how good a cutout it is. An alternative? Look at ESB. Sure, we all know about the transparent snowspeeders, but since they're off the screen fast enough, you only notice if you freeze frame the video.

    TPM overused effects. I couldn't STAND the screentime that was wasted to show off the ships, robots, and force fields that were created. Look at the Naboo fighters taking off: one gets hit by a stray laser blast and takes almost thirty seconds to plummet to the ground. Yay. That advanced the plot.

    Yeah, the special effects were great, but when I watch Star Wars, I want to be sucked into Lucas' imagination and experience His world for a few hours. When I see the man behind the curtain pulling levers, even for a few seconds, it completely ruins the experience.

    -Chris
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Actually, I think that in many ways this WAS INTENTIONALLY a kid's movie. I mean, think about it -- the main reason Lucas is wealthy is that he hooked all the SWFans when they were preteen kids. He hooked 'em with SW, and then had a guaranteed income with Empire & Jedi.

    Same thing here -- TPM *is* the opening move of a chess game, becase Lucas is trying to hook a whole new set of preteen kids.

    TPM was never aimed at the "SWFan" market. It's aimed at the 6-12yr old market. Hence Jar Jar. Hence Watto, etc. etc.

    That doesn't mean it's a bad film. But it is, in Lucas' own words "a Saturday afternoon serial" (um, that's more or less right; I might be adapting his actual quote).
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Ok, I don't know if I'll mention spoilers, but if you don't want them go away.

    Yes, Jar Jar is annoying, but I think he's roughly equivalent to Darth Maul. WTF, you ask? Well, I was reading a "real" review of the movie, and it talked about how they should have had less time for Jar Jar and more for the charismatic Darth Maul (oh yeah, this was a really negative review). This is what everyone has said. But isn't Darth Maul just Jar Jar for adults? But what reasoning is he charismatic? He has 3 lines and sneers. You are attracted to the mythos and the makeup, not the Maul. So Darth Maul serves the same purpose for you that Jar Jar does for 8-year-olds. He's the "cool!" factor that Jar Jar provides for kids. I'm sure you all think this is nuts, but when you hear little kids talking about how they thought there was too much violence and the light-sabre battle was too scary, it might make sense.
  • Ben Kenobi said that Anakin was already a great pilot when he met him (not a star pilot, just a pilot, that's the whole reason for the pod race). He later became a great star pilot. Also, Yoda instructed OB-1 until the age of 13, at that moment he was given as a Padawan to Qui-Gon, this is based on the Jedi Apprentice novel released with the movie. That explains a lot doesn't it?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    According to an interview with Lucas, the Sith
    were a race that learned the dark side of the
    Force, grew power-mad, and wound up destroying
    the entire race while fighting for power. A
    single Sith lord lived, and he took an apprentice,
    presumably from another race. Eventually, the
    apprentice usurped and killed his master, later
    taking an apprentice for himself. This has
    continued on for a millenium or so...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I'll try not to make any spelling mistakes in order to avoid the rage of the spelling police, but I can't promise anything ! :-)
    I just want to say:
    Please stop attacking people's spelling !!!
    Rebuke the ideas, say I don't agree, but for
    God's sake, GIVE IDEAS. Let's have a discussion !
    Many people type in a hurry; sometimes English is
    not their first language... Give them a break !
    If you point out spelling errors instead of contesting an argument, it will be evident that you don't have the tools/knowledge/brain cells :-) to have an educated an enlightened discussion.
    Of course, this is not an attack against the person who wrote the comment I'm replying to. This is just a something I wanted to say, after seeing this type of attacks too many times.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Damn midichlorian infection gives me cramps every time a planet is destroyed.

    x
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I'm getting sick of these overamplified action movies that end up screwing up my hearing more than it already is screwed up. I hate leaving a theater with my tinnitus all reactivated at a higher level than normal.

    I hope this was only a problem in the theater I saw it in and not a general problem with the movie sound mix itself.

    This movie might be more for the audiologists of the future and a menace to the hearing of the kids. Otherwise bring your earplugs and/or leave the kids at home!
  • by Anonymous Coward
    jar jar wasn't as annoying the second time i saw it, so he doesn't ruin the movie, just gets in the way. that said, the movie is a LOT better the second time around. noticing the subtle differences in the queen... oh.. it was so well done.
    being able to watch the movie, and watch the backgrounds is worth seeing it twice. you can't catch the depth of this movie in one viewing, its just not feasible.
    the phantom menace DOES have the magic of the original trilogy, don't expect it to show up on the first viewing.
  • (Minor spoliers if you haven't read any reviews.)

    1. Battle droids in a high tech galactic civilization where FTL travel is common have targeting systems inferior to those on a F-15.

    2. Actually, their targeting systems are inferior to a spastic eight year old with a slingshot.

    3. After the Jedi Knights have proven they can deflect laser bolts with their light sabers, the battle droids never think to stop firing.

    4. Rather than having integral weapons systems, battle droids are cleverly designed to carry weapons that can be picked up and used against them by their opponents.

    5. In the Star Wars universe, "Palantine" means "Clinton."

    6. A Phantom Menace character's level of annoying goofiness is directly proportional to the number of action figures of said character Lucasfilms hopes to sell to small children.

    7. The Planet Naboo has underwater Rastifarians, but not underwater ganja.

    8. Darth Maul has a black robe, a black shirt, black pants, red eyes, a red and black face, a red light saber, and horns, but for some reason left his "I'M EVIL!" T-shirt at home.

    9. The most futuristic starship in The Republic's fleet is an SR-71 Blackbird covered in chrome.

    10. A light saber can evidently cut through anything.

    11. If Annakin Skywalker built C3PO, you would think the droid might mention this to Luke Skywalker at some point during the first movie. ("Oh, by the way, your father built me and also happens to be Darth Vader. More tea?")

    12. Training for being a Queen's Decoy evidently doesn't include acting lessons.

    13. Play-by-play sportscasters are the same no matter what galaxy you're in.

    14. Even giant reptilian blobs like to have scantly clad human women in their entourage.

    15. Yoda's mustache makes him look like a 300-year old Wilford Brimley

    16. If you took out all the scenes with direct equivalents in the first three Star Wars films, The Phantom Menace would be 15 minutes long.

    17. Most of those 15 minutes would be plot holes and special effects.

    18. All giant starships are required by law to have one point in the ship where a chain reaction can be started by a single laser blast from a member of the Skywalker family.

    19. Using The Force allows Jedi Knights to jump as high as Jet Li did as Fong Sai Yuk, but with more justification.

    20. Darth Maul's body falls and bounces exactly the way a lightweight dummy would.

    - Lawrence Person
  • I think the ex-Trade Federation engineers were hired by the Empire to build the Death Stars.
  • Nope, I'm rather certain Anakin turned when he had a falling out with Obi Wan =)
    Although I would imagine the death of his mother would probably contribute as well
  • maybe it's just me, but it seems like a lot of you are taking this waaay too seriously..
  • Well, I personally liked the movie quite a bit. I mean, it had its flaws, and we all know what they were, but it was definately Star Wars. I've seen it twice already and am seeing it again tonight, and it, at least for me, has one of the things that made the original trilogy so great: you can watch it over and over again.

    I don't know this personally, but my parents said after seeing it that Ewan McGregor does almost a perfect imitation of Alec Guinness. I thought he was my favorite part of the movie. That and the light sabre battle. So kick-ass.

  • I don't think Anakin IS the chosen one. I believe that Luke is the chosen one. Just because he has off-the-scale powers doesn't mean he is the chosen one. I know this will sound weird, but Urisakadoji anyone? Yeah, it's Anime porn, but the whole point of the first episode is that this guy who is amazingly powerful and who everyone thinks is some "chosen one" is really just the FATHER of the chosen one.
  • Immaculate conception is NOT the same thing as virgin birth. Mary was immaculately concieved, ie, she was born without original sin. She was not, as far as I know, a virgin birth.

    C
  • Actually, I liked the CGI Gungans... the way their flesh moved was something subtle, fluid, and definitely neither foam rubber nor human flesh, which I think is a good thing in establishing that they are, in fact, an alien race.

    Also, there were several times when I was distracted from what Jar-Jar was saying by watching the animation of his motion, which, all things considered, is definitely a plus.
  • > They thought he was trying to devleop a new religion based on the force.

    Lucas was trying to create a religion, one for his /characters/ to believe in, not everyone else in the world. I wish people would learn to seperate characters in a different world from RL.

    And as proof that he was trying to create a religion just look back to when Darth Vader was being critisiced for still believing in that old religion by one of the Emporer's head military guys..

    `Jag
  • I've never seen all of Jaws but I've seen the opening, which is just as powerful and defining as the ANH opening with that amazing huge spaceship shot.
    The Jaws opening is pretty sick- in that shot, the mechanism used to yank the actress under the water _broke_ her ankle (ankle? leg?) and her screams were 100% in earnest and not fake at all- they must have thought 'hot damn, is she acting up a storm!'
    They used _that_ shot. Even seeing it on a TV showing in passing, I found it seriously hard to sit through. It's just too intense... deeply disturbing, too real (because IT WAS) If that's a defining mood for the whole movie (and apparently it is) then I've no desire to see the whole movie ;P ack! too strong for me :)
  • How about, Obi-Wan does not get _killed_ by Darth: what happens is he provokes Darth into a burst of _fear_ powerful enough to kick Obi-Wan into some mystical realm? He clearly was goading Darth, provoking the fear that keeps him stuck in the Dark Side, and finally as Darth gives in to the fear and paranoia and moves to strike Obi-Wan down, _that_ emotion and action is what sends Obi-Wan off: sort of like Force Judo actually, a pretty cool explanation if you ask me :)
    Don't ask me about TPM: I haven't seen it and may not ;)
  • I disagree. Anakin's part was really well acted, IMHO. He is supposed to act like a kid, since he is a kid. An incredibly intelligent kid in whom the Force is strong, but still a kid nonetheless.

    As for being nice, he is supposed to. He is a kind, selfless, generous person, who later becomes seduced to the dark side. In Episode I, he is not Darth Vader, and he is not evil. Obi-Wan mentions this in one of the other movies (Return of the Jedi, IIRC).
  • I didn't pick up on the music until it had been playing for a few seconds (kudos to John Williams and the London Symphony Orchestra ... GREAT job of composing and playing the music).

    I always thought that that music was called Vader's Theme (weekend after next, I'll probably rent the original trilogy to see where it first appears).

  • Let's see...
    • Stormtroopers. Enough said.
    • the Imperial troops whose faces are visible are all "Aryan" males.
    • Funny helmets.
    • Genocide (blowing away a planet is one hell of a Final Solution).
    • Darth Vader = Dark Father?
  • Really? At the theater I went to (AMC Academy 8 in Greenbelt, MD near DC) the cleanup crew not only let me stay, they were excited themselves about the music/breathing :).
  • I think most of us have already figured that out (especially those that have read the Star Wars books).

    In them (most importantly, the RotJ book) the Emperor's name is given as Palpatine.

  • Guess who's going to be the first Jedi to go when Vader starts wiping them out? (For most action and/or sci-fi flicks, it's the minority character, which kinda pisses me off)

  • Where you are rewarded for just continually re-packaging the same old reliable, but dull and predictable stuff. I am amazed that they can blow so much money doing it.

    I think that the movie only cost $115 million US to make. Not too much, considering Titanic cost $200 million. I'm guessing that Lucas (who put up the money) made that back before the movie even opened (via promotional deals, etc).

  • Let's see:
    1. Has useful job functions (astromech, messenger, companion, uber-cracker, even drink server)
    2. His actions speak louder than his words
    3. You can almost tell what he's saying by the way he beeps, and the situation he's in
    4. Smart (The scene in RotJ when he gets them out of the net)
    5. Willing to fight a Jedi Master (the swamp when they meet Yoda)
  • > 4. Rather than having integral weapons systems, battle droids are cleverly designed to carry weapons that can be picked up and used against them by their opponents.

    Well now, that actually makes sense. It's cheaper to replace a blaster than some custom designed component.

    It makes even more sense to standardize on a gun interface (you know, something like a serial port + a power feed). That way, if the gun fails, just slap another one in the port.

  • 23. George Lucas thinks the audience cannot grapple with cheering on an army that's killing other life forms. He uses robots as the enemy so
    the audience is only cheering the destruction of machinery.


    Said army of robots speak to each other in English, instead of encrypted radio messages.


    (Note: if I had designed the droid army, I would have used point-to-point, tight-beam radio pulses for intra-troop communication, droids with a self-destruct option (the better to kill/maim more of the enemy) for starters... and I DAMN sure would have had a distributed command structure (no "one lucky shot and bye-bye droid army" HERE, Jedi-boy).

  • Only thing I can think of (as has been mentioned in Episodes 4-6, as well as the books) are clones.

    1. Cloning is asexual.
    2. Could have been perfecting cloning equipment, techniques, etc.
    3. Maybe the midi-chlorians could be cloned too (doubt it, but it's a theory)
    4. Yes, if they had a clone army as back up (Anakin & Obi-Wan fought together in the Clone Wars...remember the line in Ep. 6 (I think after Yoda dies & Luke is talking to Obi-Wan's ghost)
    5. Note the line in Ep. 1 when somebosy (Mace?) says "There can be only 2, no more, no less...a master and an apprentice"
    6. Turning a light Jedi & having him hunt down and kill the Jedi :).
    7. A clone. In the books, clones of Palpatine keep popping up (even read one were there was a clone of Luke).
    8. Who knows? Hopefully, the turning scene (which has been much alluded in Eps. 4-6) will be one of the greatest moments in cinematic history (going into the pit as Anakin Skywalker but coming out Darth Vader).

    Just my 0.02 dollars (US)
  • The movie was worth the price of admission and I'd go see it again. However, I was frankly underwhelmed. It didn't have the bravado or derringdo that the original movie had. The elements of suspense were missing, there was too much comedy, you could predict what happened next, the space and planetary graphics were not up to ESB standards. The JarJar Binks character could have had less comedy and more development (I liked the shielding though). The battle scene between JarJar's people and the droids could have been more realistic and less of a comedy free-for-all. The script needed some major tightening. There is little believable emotion in or between characters. The kid seems to care NOTHING for his mother! Only the interaction between Anakin and Queen Amidala even approached an emotional level (and that was quickly squelched). Even the force was hardly visible in this movie.

    Thats the criticism. Now the good stuff! The interaction between the two Jedi was very good. The fight scenes between the Jedi and Darth Maul were terrific! The graphics of the battle droids movement and shields were above and beyond. The development of Senator Palpatine was good but should have been taken much further - he was not menacing enough (I did like the wry smiles though). The Assembly Chamber was a very well done thing but waay too short of a segment. The best character in the movie, in my opinion, was Queen Amidala.

    Queen Amidala is why I will go see this movie again!

    Mr. Lucas,
    Please reawaken the days when you did THX1138 and StarWars1,2,3. Make the evil guys REAL EVIL (Darth Maul was great and he hardly said a word), the good guys should have integrity (the Jedi were great but not deep enough), the emotions should be better represented. Deeply develop the characters.

    I laugh at your pitiful rebellion!
  • Posted by OGL:

    And I'm going to see it again, hopefully at a theater with a better sound system. I saw it at 12:01, and the crowd was really hyped (some of them having camped out for tickets then waited four hours in line for the best seats). You don't really get that sports-event-like crowd at movies anymore, and it really heightens the experience.

    As for the movie itself, I agree pretty much with Rob's review (for some reason we seem to have pretty similar tastes in movies). Jar-Jar was annoying at some parts, but he definitely didn't ruin the movie, in fact he even made me chuckle at some parts. The worst acting award definitely belongs to that little brat Anikan whose self-narration ("The auto-pilot is on!") was driving me nuts. The dialogue in general just seems to point out the obvious ("The entire planet is one big city")...this movie is really able to speak for itself with its visual quality, but Lucas doesn't seem to want to let it do that.

    However, the pod racing, the lightsaber duals, and the incredible scenery is worth three times the admission. Really folks I mean it...words cannot describe how incredible the three-way battle was to watch...it's just captivating. Overall I would say this movie follows the plot of episode 4 pretty closely (right down to the grappling hook scene! ugh!), which hopefully means Lucas is trying to introduce the younger generation to the new trilogy before exploding with the next two movies.

    I hope so anyway, because there's no way I wouldn't see the next one...there are just too many cool things which are obviously going to take place and a lot of questions left unanswered. Overall: 8 out of 10.

    -W.W.
  • Posted by cherron:

    Vader didn't disappear when he died, either. Luke burned his body, as they did with Qui Gonn. I wonder what the dissappearance 'rule' is??
  • Posted by JPerlow:

    Hmm. Trade Federation probably has their ship building done by Microsoft.


  • Posted by My_Favorite_Anonymous_Coward:

    I spotted the Queen decoy routine when she asked to come along to the space port. Anybody
    see it earlier? The queen is a babe. Best part of the movie. Darth Maul second best part.


    Well you should if you have EVER watched Professional. IMO, the best parts are 1)Canyon Racing 2) New York City (or whatever they call the UN planet)
  • Posted by Dhrama X:

    Well, normally it's been called Vader's Theme by John Williams, but many people have also called it the Imperial March since it's been associated w/the Empire so much. Personally, I like it the second way, Vader/Anakin's story hadn't been fully told yet so we can't get a real theme for him. Besides, the Force Theme is also Obi-Wan's theme, so go figure...
  • Posted by Ralf- The Wise and Powerful:

    Give the man a break! George Lucas made the first
    set of these movies close to 2 DECADES ago. A person is bound to come up with new ideas (I would certainly hope he would).
    If you want to pick it apart, you can just shred it, even for a non-obsessive fan like me, I wonder why the original Obi-Wan said that he trained Anakin and that Anakin was already a star fighter pilot when he met him.

    Give it up already. Enjoy it for what it is.
  • Posted by OGL:

    ...let see...close up of planet...planet's entire surface is covered by cityscape...can we put two and two together?

    -W.W.
  • Posted by OGL:

    You have to remember that the Vader in episodes 4, 5, and 6 has been completely brainwashed and overcome by the dark side...it is likely that his master would have twisted any memories about his past to the point where they no longer convey reality.

    -W.W.
  • Posted by The [not so] Little Hacker:

    Did you ever think that these people "a long long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" might not be human in the same sense that you and (maybe) I are? Mitochondria are an Earth thing. Midichloreans are something from that "galaxy far, far away."

  • Posted by The [not so] Little Hacker:

    I know exactly why Qui-Gon doesn't disappear. At some previous time, Qui-Gon had been seduced by the dark side. Yoda may have known this. Obi-Wan did not. Obi-Wan was never a dark jedi, nor was Yoda. Anakin had been seduced by the dark side, was overtaken by Vader. He soon destroyed Vader and the Emperor. Presumably, both Anakin and Qui-Gon at some point were seduced by the dark side of the force, and were therefore impure. This impurity meant that their spirits would not set themselves free of the body (by disappearing), but that they would have to be helped by the living to be truly freed (by the living destroying the body on a flaming pyre). It's a very simple pattern if you think about it.

  • Posted by jilllag:

    The "midichlorians" represent a shift from a sort of generic seventies/eighties new-age-iness to the more nineties new-age-iness of "quantum" healing.

    Lucas is tailoring the "Force" to a nineties new-age audience.
  • the Sith are somewhat ambiguous. Some places it sounds like the Sith are a race. Others it sounds like it's a sort of organization (like the Jedi). My personal belief is that at one time there WAS a race called the Sith and that the Dark Jedi adopted the name to themeselves as a way of distinguishing their particular practices.


    Who am I?
    Why am here?
    Where is the chocolate?
  • and he's human as far as I can tell.


    Who am I?
    Why am here?
    Where is the chocolate?
  • Just for fun my brother & I (who are VERY rabid Star Wars fans) rented THX 1138 to see what it was like. If you like a film with no discernable plot, complete monotone in everything, and no noticeable audio markers, then borrow or rent the movie. It's completely dull. No action, no plot, no NOTHING!!!!! Avoid that movie at ALL costs!!!


    Who am I?
    Why am here?
    Where is the chocolate?
  • As far as I'm aware, Owen is Obi-Wan's brother...not Anikin's. True, Luke refers to Owen and Beru as Uncle and Aunt, but an orphan who is told that that's his relationship isn't going to have reason to think differently (until daddy comes along and says "Join me and together we will end this destructive conflict..." :) )


    Who am I?
    Why am here?
    Where is the chocolate?
  • |wouldn't it be cool if Senator Palpatine weren't |really Darth Sidius?

    I was thinking about this ... Isn't Darth Sidius none other than the emperor in the later SW movies? Already has the cloak and the evil henchmen.
  • He built C3PO to help his mother, that's why it was left behind.
  • I haven't seen TPM yet. I will probably wait until most of the hype dies down (a few weeks?) because I am not so excited by it that I have to see it right away.

    I was originally very excited until I saw the second trailer. I noticed that it looked like things were getting a little too cutesy, and most of the posts in this forum seem to confirm that.

    The opposite would be THX1138, which I rented last weekend and saw for the first time. I would recommend it to anyone who liked the original Star Wars. While it doesn't have very many special effects, it does have alot of the Lucas science fiction feel, although not in the space adventure vein of Star Wars. And it has absolutely no cutesy crap like TPM seems to have.

    I love the futuristic-yet-familiar feel of the original Star Wars; THX1138 is kind of like that. I think that Lucas should first write a great story replete with his interesting and believable futuristic visions, make the screen play really solid, then add the special effects afterwards. He should write a screenplay like it was 1977 and then use 1999 special effects to make it look amazing.

    It seems like what he did instead was write a screenplay with the full knowledge that he can use (and abuse and overuse) modern special effects rather than concentrating on making a solid and compelling story.

    That is once again kind of the opposite of THX1138, where the story was the solid part and the special effects were pretty run-of-the-mill.


  • Did anyone else notice that the vicroy bore a striking resemblence to the Prime Minster of Canada? Both in accent and appearance. (except
    for the droopy mouth :))
  • by Chouser ( 1115 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @09:14AM (#1884167) Homepage
    I didn't hate Jar Jar. I dunno that I loved him (although the graphics were impressive), but I didn't hate him.

    I dunno if what follows is a spoiler, but if you haven't seen the movie, I recommend hitting ' back [slashdot.org]' quick and avoid this whole topic.

    What I did hate was that The Force is apparently just a bunch of symbiotic critters that live inside your cells. This is HORRIBLE! I didn't WANT to know that; in fact, I don't really believe it. I was perfectly content with a mystic force that pervades the universe and has a Dark and Light side. That was enough.

    But now we've got these symbiotic creatures, and so I suppose The Force cannot be where host creatures are not. Or something. Anyway, it just felt too much like Star Trek's constant impulse to explain everything in technobabble. I hated it, and I hope Lucus renigs in a later movie, where we find out that was just something they tell non-Jedi's to throw them off the scent.

    --Chouser
  • by deanc ( 2214 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @10:57AM (#1884199) Homepage
    But look... ANH hooked a lot of kids, and in the first 45 minutes, a bunch of rebel defenders got killed by storm troopers, darth vader lifted a guy up by his neck and snapped it, and Luke's family got killed. And there were no muppets!

    You can still make a movie that kids will like without becoming juvenile a la Disney. George Lucas just decided to go the Disney route. Notice the contrast between ANH and TPM... both appealed to children, but only one was excessively mired in juvenility.

    -Dean
  • by deanc ( 2214 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @09:22AM (#1884200) Homepage
    I liked Episode One. However, in mediating our expectations, we are told that we should remember that Episode One is "only a movie." If it was "only a movie", it would have been great! However, it is "not quite a movie." Things it functions well as:

    a) Commercial for action figures
    b) Commercial for the upcoming Nintendo pod-racing game
    c) VR Star-Tours-type ride at disney land
    d) Teaser for Episodes Two and Three

    Episode One is all these things, but it's less than a movie. If it had come out in '86, it would have been an interesting addition to the saga. However, after 16 years, I was hoping for a good, self-contained movie, and I couldn't help but think that all I got was "a special-effects extravaganza based on the Star Wars mythology." But perhaps this is just a slow puitch to generate merchandising revenue to finance Episodes Two and Three.

    In any case, I am certainly going to see it again. :) And I still prefer the SW universe to the Star Trek Universe. :)

    -Dean
  • I got a chance to see the press junket in NYC three weeks before it opened in theaters. This is my story:

    1. Sat behind Roger Ebert
    2. Sat next to the president of ILM. He looked 60 years old and his wife looked 25.
    3. I had the best seat in the house. (My friend's dad is vice president of fox.)
    4. I was wasted about two hours earlier and slowly coming down.
    5. Before the movie starts there is some kind of announcement about not taking video camera recordings on the movie. A few seconds later lights go out and the movie starts. No trailers, just straight to the 20 century fox logo.

    My comments on the movie:
    1. Jedi's are so cool. There really aren't any cool Jedi's in 4,5 and 6. Yoda isn't exactly that tough and all he does is lift luke's space ship. Big fucking deal. Obi-wan gets his ass kicked really easily by Darth. He's 60+ years old, what do you expect. Epsiode 1 has great jedi and great fight scenes.

    2. Why didn't the trade federation use storm troopers? It seems to me that droids would be much more difficult to maintain. Epsecially considering that they had thousands of them. And they never really killed anything. They just got their asses kicked. Remember the scene when obi wan is in the hanger and says "I'll take out the droids," and kills a dozen of them with no problem? You'd never see Luke or Han going after a dozen storm troopers. In fact, they ran like hell in Starwars when six or so came at them.

    3. Anakin's mom is psycho. Would you let your kid fly a pod racer at 600 miles an hour with people shooting at you and other racers trying to knock you into mountain walls? Hell no!

    4. The queen is hot. I never really thought princess Leah was hot. Maybe that was because I was 4 years old when starwars came out.

    5. Lucas has some very fucked up family values. Just look at the relationships in his starwars movies: Luke and Leah - Brother and sister. Queen Amilda and Anakin - 16 year old and 9 year old. He's a pedophile incest lover.

    6. Jar Jar - Could someone translate his dialog for me?

    7. The popcorn I was eating: Provided for free by Fox but had butter on it. My fingers got real sticky.

    8. Would I see it again? Definately. Sober? Probably not.

    9. Would I buy it on DVD? Sure, when Lucas releases it to DVD in year 2013.

    Thats my story.

  • Are you kidding? I'm afraid of kids going to school and re-enacting the light-saber fights with their sporks.

    Jar Jar was not for kids (they won't understand 10% of what he was saying anyhow), he was just for comic relief, just like C3P0 in the original series (about the only useful things 3P0 did was interpret for Jaba and awe a bunch of overgrown teddy bears). He was overdone, I think most people acknowledge that. Oh well, let's hope Lucas learns his leason and tones the comic relief down in the next episodes.

    But I wouldn't change Maul a bit. He uttered his one mysterious line (revenge for what?), then proceeded to act as the silent, personal assassin of Sidious, as he was supposed to be. We're not supposed to care about Maul as we were about Vader, just that he's a ruthless fighter full of hatred for the Jedi and intent on their downfall. If we're supposed to think of Maul as a ferocious Sith warrior bent on the annihilation of the Jedi and the servitude of his master Sidious, then how would a dialogue between him and Qui Gon help out any? I like the silent efficiency of Darth Maul. What we don't know about him adds to his character, not detracts from it.
    --
    Aaron Gaudio
    "The fool finds ignorance all around him.
  • (I'm trying to keep it spoilerless, but no guarantees.)

    Even in my younger days I knew the Trilogy had flaws. I mean, the Death Star gets taken out, along with what must easily be a few hundred million occupants ("heading for that small moon"), after rescuing exactly ONE falsely imprisoned civilian from cell block 2187 (meaning cell blocks 1 - 2186 were full). Nobody bats an eye. Everyone CHEERS. It's never explained how many planets had to be mined dry to come up with enough metal to build that thing.

    Luke Skywalker drives us NUTS with his whining, all through SW and Empire. C3PO takes the whining and doubles it through SW and Empire and even Jedi for good measure.

    We have to sit and WAIT through most of Star Wars for the action to get underway - watching those two hunks of junk wandering around the desert, listening to Luke whine, watching Luke eat dinner, watching Luke stare at the sunset, etc.

    Do we now complain about the lack of character development? Obi-Wan was underdeveloped well up until Jedi where he finally explains his motivations to Luke (until then he's just the generic old guy). Chewbacca was NEVER really developed. Leia's 'princessness' is never explained. Boba Fett has six lines. And there's a million generic characters. Didn't stop me from watching ANH about 70 times. Didn't stop some of you from watching it several HUNDRED times.

    Do we now complain about the pace? We watch people wander the desert in ANH, wander the tundra and wander the worm stomach in Empire, and wander the woods in Jedi. Didn't stop us from watching these movies enough times over to put them all in the top 10 grossing films of all time.

    Do we complain about Jar Jar? Only if we also complained when Luke Skywalker did the same sorts of things. And Jar Jar actually has some character development - so if you complained about the lack of character development, stop complaining about Jar Jar. He has a REASON to be there - he provides a conversation piece for some of the characters (getting Anakin and Amidala talking), he provides the link to the Gungans, and he provides us with a focus inside the battle later on (nowhere else in the saga do we have a battle shown "third person" without one of the heroes actually in it). And those who say "Jar Jar should die" - yes, it would be nice if we could kill everyone in the world who annoys us.

    Do we complain about Darth Maul's lack of screen time? Of course - we complained about Boba Fett's lack of screen time, so George gave us 30 seconds more in the remastered ANH, waving to the audience and saying "HI, I'm Boba Fett". Be careful what you wish for.

    Do we complain about a certain, shall we say, "microscopic detail" regarding the Force? Sure, I guess we're entitled to complain about anything that makes the Force, or the Saga itself, anything other than what we've convinced ourselves over two decades that it should be. Timothy Zahn gave us something similar (the ysalamiri, animals that can block the Force) and instead of raising a stink, it raised lively debate about what the Force really is and how it works. I think this new revelation makes a GREAT explanation for why strong sensitivity to a ubiquitous energy field is a rather exclusive inherited trait. And it raises more questions than it answers.

    Do we complain about Yoda? Yes, and we have every reason to: he looks like they cast another "actor" for the part, he acts like he stuck his lips into the podracer power beam like Jar Jar did, and he sounds like Frank Oz needs to actually WATCH Empire and remember how to do the voice. And his dialogue is some of George's finest - "more have you to say?" This complaint I grant you - but for all we know, he might "change" in the next two films to become older, his eyes might bug out more, his voice could deepen, and he might get off the painkillers, leaving him more like the Yoda we remember. Conversely, if TPM is the first movie you ever see of the saga, later Yodas won't seem quite right either.

    Do we complain about the Nimoudians and how easily they were defeated? Remember what the film is REALLY about - and who was calling the shots in the blockade - they were never SUPPOSED to win. Watch the movie. Think about who stood to gain the most from the arrangement.

    Do we complain about the kick-ass Jedi action, the adrenalizing 300mph pod race through the canyons, R2D2 cavorting outside the ship, the exquisite Naboo city, the sea monsters, the jawdropping Coruscant cityscape (I think ILM just took back the award for most ships onscreen), the Senate, the seamless droids-walking-among-the-prisoners effects, or the "red shield" thing in the end battle? No, of course not.

    Do we complain about the director and how he composed certain shots? Fault his screenwriting and his ability to coax perfect performances out of actors, if you must - but his skill in actually putting pictures on film has NOT been diluted by the passage of time. It is still very much a George Lucas movie; he uses every square inch of the 2.1:1, he has a sense of motion that few directors have, and he approaches the visual effects as "this is the world, I'm showing you how cool it looks" instead of "these are our cool effects".

    Complain about the merchandising, if you must - but if Taco Bell ever offers you a few hundred million for the right to advertise your work on a taco wrapper, you'll have to say no.

    I admit: I'm an artist, which makes me a primarily visual creature - which means I can be suckered by a visually entertaining movie that lacks a few points in the plot department. But then, Independence Day didn't impress me, so clearly this film has SOMETHING more to offer.

    So just shut up, stop looking for things to hate, and go WATCH THE MOVIE A COUPLE TIMES. You learned to tolerate the flaws in the other three, you'll learn to tolerate most of the flaws in this one, and with any luck, eventually you'll learn to appreciate what this film DOES have. Of course, it'll help when the marketing frenzy dies down, and Jar Jar is no longer smiling at you from every product in Wal-Mart.

    Besides, if you don't like how George makes movies, make your own.
  • You're missing the point. If Jake Lloyd played a brooding pre-teen sociopath in TPM, then there would be no sense of tragedy in his subsequent seduction by the dark side. His innocence will be shown to gradually give rise to more nefarious person, and I can all but guarantee that this will lead up to a climax in Episode 3 in which he is lost forever to hate, fear, and evil.

    Furthermore, it's time you realized that Jar Jar was a Disney character added to attract a Disney audience. All the 9 year olds I know loved him, including my brother with whom I saw the movie. This, I have no doubt, fits into the Lucas plan of milking this cow for all she's worth, as do the restaurant tie-ins and actions figures. The same kids that *love* Jar Jar will feed in a pirahna-like frenzy on Darth Maul action figures, Taco Bell promo cups, and the like. It's insidious, and alienates many of the true fans of the series, but it's almost a guaranteed billion for Lucas and company. Yes, it's pretty hard to miss the annoying qualities in Jar Jar, and to suggest that Lucas actually did is ludicrous. He knew damn well what he was doing, and what seems annoying to us is actually pretty entertaining to younger generations - the same generations that will beg their parents into spending untold millions on the merchandise. Do the Power Rangers ring a bell?
  • As I understand it, the Sith Lords originated somehow like this.

    There was one of the Jedi order who was experimenting with the effects of anger and hatred in his use of the force.

    When he tried to insist to the Jedi Council that his method was viable and compatible with the Jedi Code, they disavowed him. He fled with various followers to found the Lords of Sith. As an organization they are devoted not to preservation, but domination. They also have a grudge against the Jedi for the expulsion of the founder of the Sith.

    Unfortunately, since they were devoting themselves to an "evil" cause, they eventually turned upon one another. Among the first to die was the founder of the Sith.

    The Jedi merely sat back as the Sith Lords disintegrated as an organization and then mopped up the remainders.

    Apparently some of the Sith survived. But, learning from the experience with their founder, the Sith now RARELY operate in groups of more than 2, master and apprentice, due to the frictions that evil people place upon each other.

    The Sith are so hard to detect for several reasons. As Yoda implied, the Dark Side is difficult to see unless you're specifically looking for it. Usually the only people SPECIFICALLY looking for the Dark Side are Sith Lords and those in immediate combat with said Sith Lords.

    In addition, like Jedi, Sith train to conceal themselves. Similar to the way Luke hid himself from Vader near the end of ROTJ. He couldn't necessarily conceal his thoughts, but he was able to conceal his actual whereabouts.


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!

  • Definitely not the best, but there are parts that are much, much better than in the past. My biggest gripe is that it felt more like the opening moves of a chess match -- just getting the pieces in place. Nonetheless, a couple things I liked:
    - The climatic lightsabre fighting was pure ballet.
    - More diverse use of lightsabres -- not just slicing, but also stabbing. Also used similar to an acetylene torch.
    The fight (and the FX) is worth the price of admission alone.
    Christopher A. Bohn
  • Oh, yeah. Not a bit of language inappropriate for children. Don't think I've seen a movie without one of the "seven words" since 1983.
    Christopher A. Bohn
  • I'm refering of course to the Star Wars themed first-person-shooter availible for an obscure platform called Windows.

    Well anyway, in this game, there was a "boss" called, simply, Maul. Anyone remember that? Anyone see any strange similarites to Darth Maul from Episode I?

    In the game, Maul was an evil Jedi who happened to only have an upper body (with some kind of cybernetic attachment that allowed him to float. Or maybe it was the Force, I dunno.) Now, compare and contrast this to what happened to Darth Maul at the end of Episode I.

    Coincidence? Discuss amongst yourselves.

  • Sure, Jar-jar wouldn't be someone I would want to hang out with necesarily, but just writing that comment reafirms my belief that he was Realistic. I like that. I didn't get annoyed with the movie because of him. He is a character and a beliveable character. That, in my opinion, benefits the movie. Actually, he and Anakin (usually the two most critically harped on characters) were the most fully developed.

    That is where the movie disappointed me the most, very little character development in comparison to the trilogy. It seemed like Lucas favored the special effects (not that they weren't amazing) to developing the characters. The characters are really what makes a movie enjoyable, especially an epic. And this is where I felt most let down by TPM.

  • Um, I was watching the same movie as you and don't remember Q-G-J saying that these little things were the force. What he said was those little critters help you LISTEN to the force and GUIDE you. He did not say they were the Force.

    They help the Jedi manipulate the Force, nothing more.

    Sheesh, talk about not listening to the whole thing.

  • Do we complain about Jar Jar? Only if we also complained when Luke Skywalker did the
    same sorts of things.


    Not so -- Luke's behavior never generated this kind of a furor. Besides, Luke's whining, like it or not, was an essential part of his character. He whined because the Princess didn't return his affections. He whined because he was asked to take on tasks that he felt were too difficult. He whined because he didn't understand his destiny, and didn't like his parent. Jeeze, these are things I can relate to. I don't like his whining, but I understand it.

    I can't say the same for Jar-jar. He's an idiot. A buffoon. He'd be a sympathetic character if he were trying to change himself. That's one of the things that makes a character come alive: we see him struggle with himself, we can relate to something similar in our own life, and then we want him to succeed. Or we fail with him if he fails. This is the essence of good character development. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen much in TPM, and it doesn't happen at all in Jar-Jar. He's happy to just clown along.

    Then there's the matter of proportion. Do you really find Luke annoying to the same degree as Jar-jar? I don't. They've taken annoying, overclocked it, given it steroids, turbocharged it, then added an afterburner. Please don't try to equate this with Luke Skywalker; the two are way out of proportion.

    And Jar Jar actually has some character development - so if you
    complained about the lack of character development, stop complaining about Jar Jar. He
    has a REASON to be there - he provides a conversation piece for some of the characters
    (getting Anakin and Amidala talking), he provides the link to the Gungans, and he
    provides us with a focus inside the battle later on (nowhere else in the saga do we have a
    battle shown "third person" without one of the heroes actually in it).


    And he could have done all those things without being so damned annoying.

    I can understand all these people falling over themselves to defend Episode One. You like Star Wars -- the whole concept, lock, stock and barrel. You like it and you're going to defend it no matter what. But keep things in perspective.

    For example: what if Jar-jar were played by a human actor -- say, Jim Carrey in makeup and latex -- instead of being a gee-whiz piece of computer-generated technology. Would you really tolerate that kind of behavior from a human actor? You would not. You'd be lining up, every one of you, to declare that George Lucas had lost his mind. But make him a cute CG alien and you're accept him, to downplay him to merely as annoying as Luke Skywalker.

    Hey, I'm glad you liked TPM. I don't have any problem with that. But don't expect me to buy these weak excuses, and don't expect me to accept the comparison to New Hope. No sale.

    --JT
  • I could add way more to this list, but it seems to get at a lot of good points.

    What a letdown this movie was. Unpolished story, retarded humor, annoying characters, bland dialogue, cheesy cameos, horrible acting, over-reliance on coincidences....where was the magic, the wit, the brilliance, the feeling of "family", of adventure, of danger, of mystery?

    America seems to be trying to convince themselves that it was good.

    The Emporer was wearing no clothes, and today my heart is broken.
    W

    -----
    Found this list on Film Threat (www.filmthreat.com)


    100 UNFORGIVABLE THINGS ABOUT EPISODE I
    *** WARNING: MEGA SPOILERS BELOW! ***
    1. The Midi-chlorian explanation
    2. The Virgin Shmi and the "Immaculate Conception" of Anakin
    3. Concept of Jar Jar Binks - Is this one of Joseph Campbell's archetypes?
    4. Bad CG shot of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan jumping out of ventilation shaft at beginning
    5. Weird, feral kids that are Anakin's friends, especially that weird Greedo kid
    6. Prominent featuring of Warwick Davis in what appears to be his costume from Willow
    7. Two-headed sports announcer with cliché voice (esp. line "That's gotta hurt in any universe")
    8. Watto's wings flapping - very distracting from scene
    9. Watto's line "you think you some kind of Jedi" - unnecessary cheap joke - pokes fun at Jedi, who should not be the butt of any jokes
    10. Battle droids aren't threatening enough
    11. The E.T.s in the senate - (Are the delegates from Duckworld there too?)
    12. Lion King song at end of parade
    13. Jive-dance by Gungans at parade
    14. Ending shot is totally lifted from Star Wars
    15. Star Trek touches, like beaming Anakin's blood sample on board
    16. Weak "Running Man" plot device of having a transmitter implanted in Anakin and his mom so they can't leave Tatooine
    17. Nicknaming Anakin "Annie"
    18. Introducing the concept of slavery to the Star Wars universe - what are droids for then?
    19. The Gungan City and underwater chase, which look like scenes out of "Little Mermaid", totally incongruous with rest of SW universe
    20. Gungan Pidgin Language: "Exsqueeze me!" "You in Big Doo-Doo now!"
    21. Bizarre dolly shot with Sidious's hologram talking to Viceroy on weird spider droid
    22. Having Anakin be the creator of C-3P0 - adds nothing to other films and introduces an unrealistic coincidence - C-3P0 and Vader are NEVER in a scene together
    23. Qui-Gon's wussiness - why doesn't he just take the part from Watto? - because they need a speeder race. He also runs away from Darth Maul and cuts a cool fight short
    24. Story point of having to get money to pay for hyperdrive part - more fitting in an adventure game. Why doesn't Qui-Gon commandeer the part? What authority does he have? Aren't the Jedi supposed to be guardians of some kind?
    25. Anakin's L.L. Bean knapsack
    26. Darth Maul getting chopped in half - was it really necessary?
    27. Boss Nass's warbling
    28. Jar Jar stepping in poo
    29. Jar Jar getting farted at by animal
    30. Jar Jar B.O. joke
    31. Jar Jar's constant moving and morphing (especially his eyes) distracts the eyes from the real
    characters
    32. Jar Jar accidentally destroying half the battle droid army
    33. Gungan bubble shield - this is a device unlike anything we have ever seen in SW.
    34. Batman grappling hook sequence in palace
    35. Unexciting laser battles in palace
    36. Unexciting space battle
    37. Anakin's blowing the station up by accident
    38. Weak invasion scene - just a couple of tanks rolling into the courtyard
    39. Boss Nass' agreeing to help humans just cause they kneel
    40. Qui-Gon requesting Jar Jar as a navigator then never even using him to navigate
    41. Darth Maul never does anything evil - he just looks cool
    42. Fake-looking plastic adobe huts on Tatooine - they looked much more convincing in Star Wars
    43. Bad Nimoidian lip-synching
    44. "Are you brain-dead?" line uttered by Nimoidian
    45. Lack of explanation for the Prophecy of the One Who Will Bring Balance to The Force
    46. Dumb-ass ESP test the Jedi give to Anakin
    47. Token P.C. female pilot in Naboo fighter
    48. Lack of activity for Jedi and Mace Windu - Why don't all the Jedi ever go and kick ass?
    49. CG lens flare on Coruscant during sunset
    50. Pixilated CG explosion at end when the Battle Droids blow up in the corridor after Anakin hits the core
    51. ID4 plot device of having Battle Droids controlled by Space Station
    52. Lame-ass foreshadowing, like Ric Olie teaching Anakin to fly fighter
    53. Dumb-ass plot device of Anakin's ship being on auto-pilot to suck him into station
    54. Confusing plot device of Queen and her double
    55. Weird voice they dubbed onto Queen
    56. James Bond "Thunderball" scuba mouthpieces that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan just happen to have -(Why would they bring those to a negotiation on a *spaceship*??? Do they carry them around in their utility belts???)
    57. Terence Stamp being completely underused in just one mediocre scene
    58. Absolutely no background given about Sith Lords - what was the "Mystery of the Sith"?
    59. Lack of interaction between Obi-wan and Padme/Amidala and other handmaidens - Is he gay?
    60. Convenient location of blanket near Queen (when Anakin tells her he's cold)
    61. Lack of epic cliffhangers (a la trash compactor, space slug escape, walking plank of Jabba's skiff)
    62. Lame crowd reactions in pod race
    63. Centering a major section of the film around the pod race stalls the story
    64. Jar Jar getting kicked in the nuts by pit droid
    65. Jar Jar's cartoony dive
    66. Yoda's defeatist attitude - no good explanation is given about his fears about Anakin. Wouldn't it be more troubling if Anakin wasn't afraid about his mother???
    67. It's never made clear whether people were being killed on Naboo
    68. Slapstick during Gungan battle undercuts drama of final confrontation with Darth Maul
    69. Obvious and contrived maneuvering of Anakin into Naboo fighter
    70. Leaving C-3PO on Tatooine
    71. "Yipppeeee"- twice
    72. Goofy, mistaken identity rescue sequence of the Queen by her double,
    73. Pathetic attempt to create cool slang for Tatooine residents - "Wizard", "Slime-o", "Worm-o"
    74. Jar Jar gets stuck to a Battle Droid's severed arm and shoots several other droids
    75. Jar Jar unleashing cannonballs on enemy army would have been more suitable in a Flintstones episode
    76. Serious underuse of Ewan McGregor
    77. 2 scenes that are centered around Jar Jar's tongue
    78. Illogical explanation that Jedi reflexes are based on their ability to see the future
    79. Slapstick sequence of Jar Jar trying to eat a rubber fish
    80. Underuse of Darth Maul
    81. Concept of "Jedi Trials" for Obi-Wan is dropped by the end of the film
    82. Extraneous scene about Watto's "chance cube" - and why can't they just call it a die? Han Solo refers to card-playing in Empire.
    83. No reason is given for taking Anakin back to Naboo, into the middle of a war
    84. Portrayal of Republic as ineffective and bureaucratic will reduce the significance of its collapse in upcoming films. Isn't this the film where we were supposed to see their civilization at its height?
    85. Introduction of Battle Droids appears to be an attempt to reduce the number of deaths shown in the film, yet they are killed in an extremely violent and destructive manner. Also, use of such a device is inconsistent with the notion presented in the other films that droids have humanity.
    86. Lack of a protagonist
    87. Anakin fixes engine and wins pod race by flicking switches, apparently at random (and without any use of the force)
    88. Why does Qui-Gon sense such power in Anakin? What does Anakin ever do to suggest he has powers? Wouldn't a demonstration be in order?
    89. Design of all CG characters did not match anything we've seen before in the SW universe (except maybe in the Special Editions). They were totally incongruous.
    90. Nimoidians' Charlie Chan dialect
    91. No explanation for red force shields at end. It was cool, but confusing and contrived. Were the characters controlling them or did they time-on and time-off like in a video game?
    92. Watto's stereotypical Jewish Shylock attitude and accent.
    93. Captain Panaka's blandness
    94. Lack of camaraderie among characters - they didn't seem like a team
    95. No one really interacted with Jar Jar - he was in his own movie
    96. Lack of conflict among characters (this was a problem in Jedi as well)
    97. Enemy droid fighters are not memorable or interesting
    98. Anakin's awful dialogue while blowing up the space station: "Take this... and take that!"
    99. Jar jar offers to be Qui Gon's slave
    100. Lack of any anti-hero to create character tension. Han Solo did this in IV, Lando did this in V, Vader did it in Jedi. In Episode 1, everyone did EXACTLY what was expected of them. No plot twists or surprises.
    - Didisaurus@aol.com

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  • There was one female jedi. In the background during a council scene. I agree with the overall point though...which is worse? A universe where everyone is white like Episode IV? Or one where the trade federation are asian, the merchant is jewish, and the fool/comic relief/infantile character is caribbean?
  • For the most part I agree with you Rob. However, after having seen the movie 3 times now, going again tonite, as much as I hate to admit it, Jar Jar is actually starting to grow on me. Granted, it's like a fungus, but I've caught myself laughing at him more than once. I do wish he had been toned down a bit, but I'm finding him actually far less annoying than 'Whiney Luke' of A New Hope. At least Jar Jar is an alien race, which theoretically at least COULD be that annoying. Also, the annoyance, in it's own strange way, explains some of the friction between the Gungans and the Naboo. In general I found the CGI to be breathtaking, except for in the great Gungan/Droid battle. During that scene, at many times I felt like I was watching a late 1980's Saturday morning cartoon... Anyway, I'll stop rambling and get back to work now. I obviously didn't have TOO many problems with the movie, as I've already seen it thrice, and going back again (Which won't be the last time either.)

  • by Serk ( 17156 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @09:14AM (#1884357) Homepage
    Not necessarily... The Meta-Clorians are described as being more of a conduit of the force, not the force itself. That's like saying that a network is CAT-5. It's not CAT-5, but that is what allows it to be a network. Also, judging by Yoda's reaction to the readings, it sounds like using those as a measure of the force is a new and un-proven technique...


  • Why should Vader take notice of another protocol droid?

    Why would C3P0 know that Vader and Anakin are the same?

    Of course there's also the fact that C3P0 wasn't even complete when he's left behind on Tatooine! He doesn't have nearly all the mental and physical components installed that we know and see in the original trilogy.


    -AS
  • I'll want to look into this when I see it tomorrow =)

    However I hear that Jar Jar was using a live action stand in... so it seems to me you may be looking too deeply for flaws that don't exist. It would be hard to make a mistake like that if it was intentional...

    But I'll look!


    -AS
  • There's no reason to believe(yet) that Obi Wan should remember very much R2D2... Especially since he's just a droid!

    It would be like remembering the license plate of your friends car, 15 years ago... Something you may have known once, but forgotten over time because it just isn't relevant.

    AS

    -AS
  • I'm more likely to believe that midi-chlorians as organisms are attracted to and flourish in the bodies of Force strong and sensitive people; it may even impart some level of ability or skill to the host, thus the symbiosis explanation.

    I don't think midi-chlorians themselves are causes for the Force talents, just indicators.

    Sort of like me having black hair doesn't indicate I'm Chinese, but that being Chinese means I have black hair.

    AS

    -AS
  • Um, I was under the impression that Anakin(and Luke) were talking to R2D2, and not themselves...

    So when Anakin is screaming out all these these, it's because R2D2 is telling him one thing, like "Why aren't you in control of the ship?"

    and Anakin is saying
    "The auto-pilot is on!"

    Likewise for Luke...

    Perhaps I'm seeing too much, but it makes a lot of sense to me...

    AS

    -AS
  • Plot is another reason why there aren't female Jedi...

    For main characters, it's obvious that Obi Wan has to be male. Droids are genderless. Jar Jar is an alien, and while I guess he's male, he could very well be hermaphroditic. Anakin has to be male. Qui Gon is the only one I could hazard as being replaced by a female... But in this case I don't think it's a sexist thing for trying to create a father/son thing between Obi Wan and Qui Gon. You mean bit parts and villians who are female?

    Wouldn't that be as big a disservice as not having enough women anyway? What about the fact that Amidala/Padme is such a strong character? To the end?


    -AS
  • It's not so odd/weird.

    So the Force is an immeasurable unknown dimensional stuff that permeates and extends throughout all existence.

    These midi-cholrian things actually exist within the realm of both dimensions, and in living inside host creatures, allows these host creatures to tap into the Force, which pervades all things, surrounds us, imbues us with life and energy and all that other mysticism crap.

    But this is rationalization on my part to reconcile this relatively techy explanation with the much loved mystic explanation of the original trilogy.


    -AS
  • My main problem with this movie is that it seems George Lucas has made the transition from Eastern Mysticism to Christianity, removing the mythical side of the Force by using Medichloridians and at the same time introducing a Messiatic character and multiple blatant "chosen one" references.
    One theory that I have, though, is that this Medichloridian stuff was around with the Jedi, but as all of the Jedi were wiped out but Yoda and Obi Wan, who were both very spiritual, the scientific side died out as well.

    Anyway, it really bothers me that they would cheapen the force so much by using microbes as "communicators with the force." I guess he's not saying that they represent the force, but act as an intermediary. But then couldn't somebody become a Jedi master by getting a blood transfusion? I guess that maybe it's a way of setting up for the clone wars; it would allow for Jedis to clone themselves and easily give the clones their powers.

    Also, it kind of bothered me that Qui Gonn didn't disappear when he was killed by Darth Maul like Obi Wan and Yoda did. I guess the explanation could be that he wasn't as close to the force as they were, and it's always neat to see a funeral pyre.

    Also, I had a really neat idea- wouldn't it be cool if Senator Palpatine weren't really Darth Sidius? I mean, they kind of shove it down your throat that he is throughout the entire movie, so it'd be a huge plot twist (ala "Luke, I am your father.") if Darth Sidius turned out to be somebody else.

    Overall, though, I really liked the movie except that Anakin's luck (or "Fate," if you must) was annoying, Jar Jar was annoying, Medichloridians were annoying, and there weren't enough space battles or mysticism. That and the pod race was too damned long. The movie moved like a bad Sci-Fi novel, with lots of choppy scenes in the beginning, an overly long and somewhat unimportant scene in the middle (it did nothing but establish Anakin's techno-knowhow and Jedi reflexes) and then a bunch of choppy scenes at the end. Worth the money, but Episode II (Braveheart with Jedi) and Episode III (The Empire destroying the Republic) are going to rock a lot if Lucas doesn't wuss out.

  • my only complaint with this movie is this...THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH. lucas tried to pack too much in the 2+ hours. don't get me wrong i enjoyed it. it was a very good movie (though not perfect) but there just wasn't enough of the things i wanted to see most. not enough space battles, not enough jedi, NOT ENOUGH MAUL (and for those of you who think lucas tossed a perfectly good character, remember next episode starts that trivial bit of technology known as CLONING) and not enough character interaction. it just seemed a bit rushed.
    now about other peoples complaints. i didn't find jar jar binks that annoying (no more than threepio was in the first three movies.) and as for everybodies problem with anakin being "the chosen one" with off-the-scale force powers, it makes sense to me (i always wonder how vader and palpatine could've wiped out all the jedi, but now it makes sense...anakin/vader was the ultamite jedi/sith and it took his own offspring to defeat him) also, i thought jake did a fine acting job (give the kid a break) of course, the "stormtroopers can't hit anything" factor became the "battle droids can't hit anything" factor, but who didn't expect that?
    the thing i liked most of all about the film was the jedi/sith fight, but there should've been more of it (and how about some lines for maul. i know he's supposed to be this badass sith that talks with his saber, but i expected some words to exchange between him and qwi-gon & obi-won) the space-battle didn't match up to the roj battle of endor, but it was still good (again, there just should've been more of it) so overall, i'd say lucas has given us a very fine film worth seeing more than once.

    but that's just my opinion, i could be wrong
    -ccure
  • It's really a shame that noone ever learns about Christian mysticism (not Gnostic stuff) or the monastic tradition (not Jesuits) but dwells on the negative or popular image. Lucas has said many times about wanting to portray a Totaliter Aliter religiosity in Star Wars that is neither eastern nor western. Until TPM he was doing good with that but now he has betrayed it by introducing pseudo-science with his notion of midichlorians. That's a cop-out to post-Enlightment theology where everything that could be explained by science was ceded to scientists. It's like saying magic operates because our brains generate magic-particles. It's dime-store comic stuff. But then again, that's the kinda thing Lucas wanted, right?

    I agree, the "Chosen One" is way too messianic although I don't mind a bit of prophesy one way or another. (Messianism is by no means restricted to Christianity... just look as Marxism/Communism.)I am just going to say that Shmi meant she wasn't going to talk about the father. He wasn't ever there for them so she doesn't consider that he exists.

    Transition from Eastern mysticism to Christanity: NO! Transition from mystical to pseudo-science: YES!

    Qui-Gonn not disappearing? Is he really a Jedi Master or just a Jedi Knight? Sure he has an apprentice (who calls him master) but does that make him as spiritually advanced as Yoda? The yoga teacher I had was a master sure, but he couldn't walk on water or climb castle (university) walls like he says the mythical masters could. And remember, Qui-Gonn was pretty convinced about the importance of "the Now", so maybe discorporation wasn't important to him.

    I loved it even though it wasn't a perfect movie. I found the other movies did far more to advance character. Remember there was a lot of plot in this one. Maybe it should have been three hours or four. Maybe the special edition released in two years (heh heh heh) will have the cut scenes.

    I suspect the next movie will be better again.

    I will see it again, many times.

    If what I said is nonsense,
    I'm making a point with it.
    If what I said makes perfect sense,
    you obviously missed the point.
  • First off, I LIKED this movie ... It's not the best movie off all time, not even the best in the past year (possibly not even this summer: enter EYES WIDE SHUT), but it is good. Go on and complain about everything you want, George had a reason for all of it I'm sure ... It's his film ... It's his art ... admire it or move on.

    Having said that, my two cents on various complaints and stuff:

    Jar Jar: I was pretty indifferent about him, but my wife loved him, I'm sure kids will too.

    Mytothingies: I'm going to hold off judgement and see if they are explained any more later. I think we are reading way to much into their role in the force.

    C3P0 and R2: I would have left them out myself, but how can you make a (pre)sequel without any of the original "actors" in it. I primarily have a problem with them being on Tatooine (they didn't seem to have been there before in A New Hope).

    Darth Maul: He was somewhat cool, but he just couldn't be as strong as Darth Vader will become. If he was, why would Palpatine need Anakin later. Maul is just a first attempt at creating what would become Vader.

    Politics: I personally think it's going to be interested in seeing the parallel rise to power of Palpatine and Anakin and you have to play politics to become emporer.

    Now what did this movie give me to overwelm any and all of its flaws? Alot, all of it worth repeating:

    Special Effects: Awesome, yet not too overpowering. My wife hates "the computer look", but did not even notice it in this movie. They advanced the plot, but did not overtake the movie.

    Action: Some of the best I've ever seen. The underwater monster chase, the pod race, the final space battle and the final saber battle were all incredible.

    Plot: As a single movie, it may have been a bit lacking, but as part of a larger work it has a lot going for it. I'm really looking forward to see how the relationships (Anakin and Queen Amidala, Anakin and Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine,
    Yoda and Obi-Wan, etc.) play out in the next two acts.

    All in all, it was worth the 8 bucks, and I'm planning to go see it at least once again.
  • by zagmar ( 20261 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @11:16AM (#1884401)
    >Mace Windu: 3 lines, and none of them involved >the word 'muthafucka'

    Anakin: "But Sir-"
    Mace Windu: "I don't remember askin' you a GOD DAMN THING!"

  • Okay, here's what I think, if anybody cares.

    1) The only Star Wars movie that stands on its own two feet is ANH. The others are fundamentally an extension of that movie, which is a really well-told story. Even ESB, good as it is, needs the movie before and the move after to really be good, to really be explicated.

    2) ANH had real urgency to the story -- the Empire was basically invincible and evil, and had almost won. ("We have the readouts of the Death Star; several people died to bring us this information.") There was a real urgency to it -- everything was *almost* lost forever. TPM starts out with everything (basically) happy and nice. The only really bad thing with the action in the movie is that Naboo might be destroyed. Oh no -- Jar-Jar and all his kind are eliminated! Cry me a river. So TPM just didn't have the same urgency that ANH had. However, there was one really dire plot point in the movie: "Oh shit, the Sith are back."

    3) The sword fighting was better than in any of the other movies. The classic trilogy had Jedi vs. Jedi swordfighting, which was a lot like samurai fighting. The style done by Darth Maul (and it pisses me off that he died; they better make another one of him in the Clone Wars) was closer to, say, the Kung Fu / Tae Kwon Do / Jeet Kune Do / whatever styles (i.e., it involved kicking). Very very cool.

    4) The four-way orgy involving Darth Sidious, Senator Palpatine, Queen Amidala, and Queen Amidala's handmaiden was EXCELLENT! The classic trilogy was really lacking in the hardcode sex department. (Although according to that Newsweek Carrie Fisher interview, Boba Fett "could see all the way to Florida" in the Tatooine scenes of ROTJ.)

    I think TPM was consciously made overly light and cheery, because the other two movies will have to be dark and brooding. Vader's story is a fall from grace -- he's got to start out good and pure to have a fall. I'm *really* looking forward to episodes 2 & 3.
  • I'll preface this with the obligatory "I'm no cellular biologist" but...

    from what I've read Mitochondria are believed to have originally been a parasite that grew to be in symbiosis with living cells, leading to today's condition in living things on earth. Very suspiciously similar to the discussion given in SW:TFM to how "The Force(tm)" works. Maybe they were just counting on the majority of the public, of which most /.-ers are not members, to just gloss over this.
  • Did anyone else catch the HUUUUUGE lighting issues in the Ewok-like celebration at the end?

    They're marching in a straight line down a straight corridor - no turns. The sun is out full-blast, the shadows are very pronounced. Problem is, sometimes they're pointing toward the back. Sometimes they're toward the front. Sometimes they're pointing to the right of the marchers and sometimes they're at a right 45 degree angle to the marchers.

    Bleh! Great movie - but sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

    My .02
    Quux26

  • by TheDullBlade ( 28998 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @10:06AM (#1884461)
    "Mitochondria: Small genetic particles in every cell that govern how it works."

    That is not a valid description of mitochondria. Mitochondria are analagous to power generators, they produce the ATP which is used for intra-cellular energy transport. I forget some of the details, but I believe they are responsible for aerobic respiration, using oxygen and glucose as fuel to convert the spent ADP to ATP.

    They have their own genetic material which is completely seperate from that of their host. They reproduce asexually (and, incidentally, do everything else) in response to chemical cues from the host cell.

    Mitochondria do not govern the cell in which they reside, they are governed by it, and work as an organelle within it.

    The genetic material within organelles has been a big deal in the press because it has been used to produce a (IMHO unreliable) estimate of the number of generations since "Eve" (a supposed common direct-line female ancestor of all humans). It was suited to this because, due to its seperate genetic material and asexual reproduction, the only changes throughout its otherwise static genome are due to mutation (unlike the nuclear DNA which is sexually mixed, so you have to isolate genes to find all but the most gross mutations).
  • Actually the Trade Federation is based around the Chinese stereotype. This said, the Jedi are of course the Japanese Samurai figures, and the Naboo are Tibetan figures right down to the handmaidens gowns.

    Interesting twist if you think about it that way. The samurai fighting the evil chinese to free the tibetans.

  • Anyone else notice the complete and total lack of women in the film. Well if you didn't, let me enumerate for you. 6 with speaking parts, less than 15 shown in the entire movie.

    Not only are there only 6 that speak, there are only 3 that have more than 5 lives.

    Queen Amidala, one of her handmaidens and Shmi Skywalker. The other three that actually speak are one of the pilots of the Jedi's transport ship at the beginning, one of the Naboo fighter pilots and a woman in Mos Esba on Tatooine. Maybe a seventh in one of Anakin's friends, I don't remember for sure bout that.

    Frankly, there needs to be a little more equality in the star wars galaxy. Between the racism and the sexism the movie was a travesty.
  • CRITICS LASH OUT AT LUCAS FOR MAKING A MOVIE THAT CHILDREN WILL LOVE
    "I Wanted 'Citizen Kane'", Sputters Furious David Ansen


    HOLLYWOOD, CA (AP) - Critics have been quick to levy criticism towards George Lucas' latest Star Wars creation -- Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace. Blasting the film for having "too many digital effects" and "too little character development", critics seem to be treating the latest blockbuster as a modern-day Ishtar. Newsweek's David Ansen is among those critics.

    "By God," fumed Ansen, "the children loved it. They were clapping and shouting in the aisles, and did not want it to end. To hell with the children, as far as I'm concerned. George Lucas has personally robbed me of a truly emotional film experience, and I for one will never, ever forgive him for it."

    Todd McCarthy of the Hollywood magazine Variety echoed the sentiments put forth by Ansen. "I hope George Lucas rots in hell," he said, "for making such an empty movie that less snobby audiences love. Clearly, he is preying on the children's desire for pure fun, and paying no attention to the film critics' demands that The Phantom Menace be at least as good as The Godfather. No reasonable person likes a movie that is just fun to sit back and watch."

    Jeff Craig, of Sixty Second Preview, expressed similar views. "Lucas seems to know that children will love this movie. Being the typical egomaniac, he places his desire to entertain America's youth in front of his desire to placate the film critic community. Well, George, let me be the first to say EAT SHIT. You and your digital effects don't impress anybody." Craig then spit on the floor and gave a four-star review to the wonderful Adam Sandler flick The Waterboy.

    Lucasfilm is dismissing the negative reviews, saying that the critics are "out of touch with reality." While Lucas runs the very real risk of making millions upon millions of dollars for this movie, he doesn't hesitate to let the public know why he's doing all of this.

    "It's for the fans," says Lucas.
  • I think for reasons similar to the reason that Darth Vader was quite surprised and interested when Obi-Wan did. Anakin doesn't disappear either when he dies, and he kills the emperor!

    Perhaps the disappearing requires a certain purity and non-compromise. Qui-Gon was a renegade who frequently skirted the code, Anakin, of course, is the tragic hero who falls to the dark side before committing the ultimate good (by killing Sidious). Maybe such flaws are sufficient to keep one out of Jedi heaven.

    Nasty mythology if that's the case -- all your survivors get to know if you "made it."
  • Anakin, who will eventually be Darth Vader, shouldn't be yelling Yippee every five minutes. Anakin leaving home wasn't convincing at all; I think his fate as an actor is pretty much sealed. Looking forward to some Life cereal commercials is he, says Yoda.

    The point of Anakin acting like a kid can be easily explained. HE'S A KID. He wasn't born Darth Vader. There's no reason to believe he acted any differently than any other kid. You're supposed to be thinking, "This kid's too cute to be Darth Vader!" His acting falls in line with the other films - campy.

    Too many kids and disney-esque characters ruined it for me.

    Seems like Jedi had plenty of childrens charactors. Jim Hensen wasn't hired for nothing.

    Character development: nearly nonexistant. Mace Windu: 3 lines, and none of them involved the word 'muthafucka'. I was shocked. All in all I give it a 7 out of 10. Hope the Clone Wars has no children/ewoks/wacky cg characters in it, or I just may skip it all together.

    Lucas never developed his charactors, this is part one of three movies.. This was the forward. Count on Mace Windu to play an important part in the next two episodes. You're rating is high based on your critique. Of course, noone will miss you at the next movie.

    Many people are forgetting just how average the first three movies were. About the only things Lucas has going for him are: 1) classic good vs evil plot(lets face it, the evil is just getting warmed up in this one) and 2) special effects. I like the mythology of Star Wars, the charactors are supposed to be average.
  • This is probably what Lucas intended, but I can't believe how many people are taking the "virgin birth" thing hook-line & sinker. Sure, I was as stunned as everybody else when it first came up, but there really is a rational explanation for it if you think about it a little.

    All of this, the "virgin birth" & the introduction of the metachlorian concept are interrelated and a set-up for some bombshells that will be dropped in Ep. 2.

    Ask yourself a few questions...

    1. Could there be a scientific explanation for a "virgin birth"?
    2. What do you think the Sith have been doing all these years after their "extinction"?
    3. What might cause an unusual physical characteristic, which is directly related to one's ability to be in tune with the Force, to pop up apparently out of the clear blue?
    4. Do you really think after a millennium there are only 2 Sith? Would only 2 Sith "reveal themselves" to a veritable army of light Jedi?
    5. If your answer to #2 is "no", how might they replentish their numbers?
    6. If the Sith were almost extinguished (presumably by the light Jedi), what would their "revenge" be?
    7. How can the Senator & Sidious be the same without being the same?
    8. How might parallellism between Ep. 4-6 play out in 1-3?

    If you think about these questions for a while, you'll see that Ep. 1 is the perfect setup for a lot of *big* revelations in Eps. 2 & 3.
  • by Afrosheen ( 42464 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @09:14AM (#1884551)
    I just had to stop laughing long enough to post a lengthy reply. I saw the movie on Tuesday night, after midnight, and I totally agree with all of your points. Anakin, who will eventually be Darth Vader, shouldn't be yelling Yippee every five minutes. Anakin leaving home wasn't convincing at all; I think his fate as an actor is pretty much sealed. Looking forward to some Life cereal commercials is he, says Yoda. Too many kids and disney-esque characters ruined it for me. Jar Jar was beyond annoying, to the point where I wanted to scream just to keep from hearing his retarded gibberish. I gotta give some credit to his voice actor though. It takes amazingly mad skill to sound that close to Roger Rabbit and even pull off Bill Cosby's 'going to the dentist' and 'mushmouth' (fat albert) impressions. Weak. Very weak. Fight scenes: incredible. Spaceships exploding: average. Jet pods: fast, and nice to watch tumble and explode at 300 mph. Character development: nearly nonexistant. Mace Windu: 3 lines, and none of them involved the word 'muthafucka'. I was shocked. All in all I give it a 7 out of 10. Hope the Clone Wars has no children/ewoks/wacky cg characters in it, or I just may skip it all together.
  • First, did anyone get the sense that Yoda is a grumpy old fart? He _never_ wants to train anyone... they're always too young, not ready, have uncertain futures. Sheesh! No one makes that wrinkled sack of constipation happy.

    Other things I noticed:
    • The folks from the *evil trade federation* spoke with accents (did you notice what kind?). Hmmm... social commentary?
    • How many bigger fish can live in a planet's core?
    • Is it required that a Jedi Knight have a bad hair cut?


    Ok, all kidding aside, I think Lucas lived up to his legacy. The original starwars was not spectacular because of character development or plot. It was, simply put, a well told story. Menace is the same: a well told story.

    In my mind, there is a difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is simple and can be enjoyed by all. Art presses the boundaries, often to the pain of some. Lucas' art is his cinematography and vison... as illustrated in the ground breaking effects required by ANH. That is what the critics loved in ANH. His art, this time, was in the visionary world he created. I mean, how could they possibly do that wonderfull Jedi-Sith fight on the cat walks if it were not for computers? Of course, art also brought us pain in the form of Jar-Jar Binks.

    But people love Lucas' stories. Lucas is, above all else, an entertainer. Looking for redeeming qualities in the plot, character development, or other element you learned about in your 9th grade literature class is to miss the true genius of Star Wars. Lucas masterfully told a compelling story about the attack, capture, and liberation of lovely Naboo. All the while he left room for the rest of the series.

    As for other comments I've read here:
    • Of course the Jedi fights were great. This movie is set in the hay-day of the Jedi.
    • *Meta-Calorians* or whatever only link living cells to the force, they are not the force.
    • The movie needs to be evaluated on it's own terms. Trying to place it in the tapestry of the whole saga is premature, and will spoil the experience.
    • The movie gets better as you watch it more (I've only seen it three times).




  • The Micro-whatevers are intermediates between life bodies and the Force.

    The Micro-whatevers are not the Force itself.

    (This is what I recall from the movie)
  • So far as I understand, this new should be a trilogy...

    And "A New Hope" was made more than twenty years ago, and we all were much more smaller then. The technology of movie-making wasn't so advanced, so we don't expect so much as today...

    We are seeking the feeling that we got when we first saw Star Wars, and shout like a spoiled little kid when we can't achieve it...

    Sad but true.

  • Ok, so its pretty much accepted that JarJar was a freeking annoying character. In fact, he wasn't even necessary to the rest of the movie after the Jedi's met the leader of JarJar's race for the first time. Another problem was that Darth Maul wasn't really developed well. We _know_ he's bad, he looks bad, he wears all black, etc etc. But, how about if they had made him do something that would show his evilness?

    Scene on Tatooine goes like this:

    - Maul gets on his Space Harley and rides into town looking for evidence of the Queen.
    - You see him moving through the crowds. Most aliens give him a wide berth. One gets in his way. This is JarJar. JJ says something stupid. A flash of red light and JarJar's hideously dismembered body is lying in a puddle of steaming green blood.
    - Qui-Gon comes upon the scene shortly after, just seeing the back of Maul's cape disappear into the onlooking crowd. Realizes there is trouble, and hastens everyone's return to the ship.


    So, this would have spared all of us the suffering of JarJar's unnecessary presence in the rest of the film, and serves to make out Darth Maul as a serious Bad Guy.


    BTW - Anyone else notice how similar in design the Queen's starship was to the SR-71 Blackbird spyplane?
  • by cdtdelta ( 76240 ) on Friday May 21, 1999 @09:28AM (#1884587) Homepage
    I agree. I saw the movie at 12:01, and then again at 9:15pm, and I enjoyed it more the second time. Granted, the second movie had a better crowd (not a lot of clapping at the 12:01 showing), but once you get past the high expectations and just enjoy the movie, it really is good.
    One other thing I think people don't consider is that Lucas is expecting to do two more movies. That wasn't the case with the first Star Wars. Lucas didn't really know if he was going to make the other two. So if you look at it as a movie that's setting the foundation, it'll probably be a lot better when the next two have come and gone. Of course, most of us will see it a lot anyway, so in the grand scheme it probably doesn't matter.

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