'South Park' Nominated for Oscar 375
NoizAngel writes, "And for best Original Song, the nominees are : Blame Canada from "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut."*
Just when I thought I'd seen it all. " One thing I gotta say about that movie is that the music was possibly the strongest part of the film. "Blame Canada," and of course "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" are two of the funniest things I've ever heard.
Other songs.... (Score:3)
But what about??? (Score:4)
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
Odd song to pick (Score:1)
Personally, I really enjoyed this movie. Much more than I expected to, in fact. Though I saw, and enjoyed, the original Spirit of Christmas two or 3 years ago. I found the TV series very dissapointing. The movie renewed my faith in Trey Parker and Matt Stone..
and hey.. when do you get to talk about South Park on Slashdot without being moderated down????
Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
But can someone answer me this: Who the bloody hell is Brian Boitano anyway?? I'm assuming he's not just some guy made up for this song, and I have to admit I've never watched the TV show, even though I loved the movie. Is it a character from the show? Some actual real-life guy who I've just never heard of? What? It's driving me nuts...
Of course... (Score:2)
What I'm still waiting for is an animated feature to earn a Best Picture nomination. I really thought Toy Story might be able to pull it off this year, as it was an excellent movie. It's a little disappointing to only see animation only get Best Song nominations time after time (short category excluded of course, at least it's a start) I just hope that when one does finally get the nod, it's not a Disney. Good movies generally, but I'd rather see a real good story win than all the fluff.
Almost whined about "Stuff that Matters" (Score:2)
- I don't care about what "The Academy" thinks.
- Most of the stuff that wins these awards (except maybe the obscure awards) sucks.
- I don't care about what the celebrities are wearing.
I was thinking about complaining about this story as "Stuff that Doesn't Matter", but actually I don't really care about whether this story appears (and besides, I like South Park). I did, however, want to use this opportunity to spread my message about how awards shows suck. Enjoy!makes a little sense... (Score:1)
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Chef (Score:1)
Damn woman, I just gave you sweet lovin' three minutes ago!
Blame Canada!?!?! (Score:1)
I like to kill, I like to maim
Yes I'm insane but that's okay 'cause I'm Hussein!
Although to be fair, you really need to see Saddam breakdancing to get the full effect...
What about Unclef***er?? (Score:3)
The music in the movie was quite first-rate, but Blame Canada wasn't their best song in my opinion...no...that honor belongs to the Terrance and Phillip classic Unclef***er. Who can but shed a tear at the touching lyrics of this triumph of musical composition:
F*** you up the a**, unclef***er,
You're a dirty little f***, unclef***er...
I'll tell ya, that's an order of magnitude better than anything Celine Dion ever belted out!
Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
Well... obviously! (Score:1)
Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
More inforation at Here [prodigy.com] With Yahoo one can find anything
Only fair (Score:2)
This might be the Academy making up for it, but the other nominees (Music of the Heart, Magnolia, Toy Story 2, Tarzan) suggests they were short of options.
It will be fun to see if they will play the nominated songs, as they ususally, and in that case, what they'll do with the line:
On a side note, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut just went up in theaters here in Sweden. (No, it doesn't ususally take that long for movies to get here.) The Swedish ratings board gave it a rating of Suitable For Children 7 and up, which is more lenient than E.T., but harsher than the G-rated American Pie.Uncle Fucka (Score:3)
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka
You're a cock sucking ass licking uncle fucka
You're an uncle fucka, yes it's true
Nobody fucks uncles quite like you
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka
You're the one that fucked your uncle, uncle fucka
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn,
You just fuck your uncle all day long
(fart noises)
Hmmm!
(fart noises)
(laughing)
(fart)
What's going on here?
(fart noises)
OOOooooooooooooooo
Fucker fucker uncle fucka fucka fucka fucka fucka
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka (uncle fucka)
You're a boner biting bastard uncle fucka
You're an uncle fucka I must say
Well you fucked your uncle yesterday
Uncle fucka... that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you Uncle Fuckaaaaaaaa tonight
Suck my balls
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How can you ignore that?
Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
Song lyrics (Score:5)
If you want lyrics to any other of the movie songs, or songs from other South Park albums, check here [thehellhole.com].
HA! (Score:2)
I just want to see what the Christian Coalition and their partner groups think of this. I loved this review [capalert.com] of Southpark especially. They also tore apart Dogma, and pretty much everything BUT Merry Poppins.
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Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
Search on Altavista, you are bound to find something. (For some reason the HTML tags do not seem to be working for links right now.... Wierd, good thing for previews.)
The Music? No way (Score:1)
Who's my creampuff?
From the Great White North, Ah? (Score:2)
I am Canadian and this doesn't bug me too much but you would think that with all the ultra-sensitive people out there someone would be.
Danm Americans, why can you make fun of us and we can't make fun of you?
Oh Ya, 'Cause you guys have the guns. Sorry. I'll go back to my igloo now.
Lyrics to Blame Canada!! (Score:1)
All four Moms
Sheila: Time's have changed
Our kids are kids are getting worse
They wont obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canadas fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
It seems that everythings gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Some Guy: There not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: Heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hubbabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
Subtle..? (Score:1)
Re:Odd song to pick (Score:1)
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Proof of the downfall of human civilization? (Score:2)
Southpark with an oscar. Were all fucked now
[ c h a d o k e r e ] [dhs.org]
Re:Other songs.... (Score:3)
- "Shut your FUCKING MOUTH, Uncle Fucker!"
- In fact, it's right near the beginning, and kinda hard to miss! It's central to the whole show! HOW can you moderate something when you clearly haven't even seen the movie? Don't assume that JUST BECAUSE the work FUCK is in the post, that it's a troll!I CAN'T WAIT to see this one in MetaModeration tomorrow.
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
Re:HA! (Score:2)
Re:Well... obviously! (Score:5)
The academy has always been stupid. This year, it's overlooking nominations for Talented Mr. Ripley except in supporting actor, because-- uh, oh-- Matt Damon plays a gay character. Wouldn't want that making an impression on anyone. Or blatantly ignoring things like Boys Don't Cry or All About My Mother for far inferior movies like Cider House Rules in the Best Picture category.
Looking at years past, we see that Citizen Kane was bested in the Best Picture category by How Green Was My Valley. And Blade Runner, of course, didn't get a Best Picture nomination, since it's a dreaded sci-fi movie for adults (E.T. fared better). Oh, and recently Forrest Gump beat Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction.
As far as the South Park nomination, it's a rather pathetic attempt to seem relevant, don't you think? They try to give all the popular movies some nod. For example, all popular sci fi movies are given nominations for best Visual Effects. South Park obviously couldn't get that, so it gets a token best song nomination, although it's the most neutered tune of the bunch.
How can that be true? (Score:1)
What about slashdot?
Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:1)
You may have left out the Jesus vs. Santa episode (same one?) - Rembmer kids...Bryan Boitano would preach love, and harmony.
"soooo - we meet again jesus!"
"this time we finish it! there can be only one!"
-FluX
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Re:Odd song to pick (Score:1)
The only songs they COULD HAVE picked... (Score:3)
On another note, what is the relationship between the MPAA and the AMPAS? Maybe we should boycott this if they're cohorts? Then again, our wimpy boycott really wouldn't make much difference, and I already "boycott" (ie, don't watch) any of the stupid awards shows (ESPECIALLY THE GRAMMYS) because they are *so* stupid. Why would I care what they think? And how can anyone take an award seriously when the categories are like "best female pop song recorded on the third wednesday of january," or any of the other inane categories? Like the (MTV|People's Choice|American|VH1|Grammy|etc|etc|etc) music awards a couple of years ago, where I think Will Smith won best rock song and best rap song FOR THE SAME SONG. Or more recently, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit and/or Korn were nominated in the "alternative" category. Sticking with the misnomer "alternative" for bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, AIC, etc; how can these bands be considered alternative?
Ok, so this became OT, but the point is that these awards shows are decided by old men who have no idea what is going on. At least the movie they pick for "best film" is usally good, which is more than can be said for any of the myriad songs picked as "best (male|female) (group|singer) (alternative|rock|pop|rap|r&b|hiphop|*.*) song."
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Re:HA! (Score:1)
Re: I say (Score:1)
Andrew Loydd Weber meets the Seven Dirty Words (Score:1)
Trey Parker vs. Matt Stone (Score:2)
For comparison's sake, here is how IMDB's South Park credits page [imdb.com] breaks it out:
Trey Parker [imdb.com]
Director
Writer (1st billing)
Voices:
Stan Marsh
Eric Cartman
Mr. Garrison
Mr. Hat
Officer Barbrady
Various others
Producer (4th billing)
Original Music (1st billing)
Lyricist
Matt Stone [imdb.com]
Writer (2nd billing)
Voices:
Kyle Broslofski (and that's all!)
Producer (9th, or last, billing)
That's a heck of a difference.
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Re:Well... obviously! (Score:1)
Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:2)
How could I forget! You're right, of course.
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
Beauty and the Beast (Score:1)
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Re:How can that be true? (Score:2)
(Slashdot Audience Masterbation Factor) > (Oscar Audience Masturbation Factor) * 100.
However,
(Audience of the Oscars) > 10000 * (Audience of Slashdot)
So there. We masturbate more often, but there are sooooo many more of them.
You couldn't possibly be MORE WRONG, Dude! (Score:2)
Thank you, I rest my case.
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
terrible (Score:1)
The Matrix Got a nod to :) (Score:1)
But anyway, it's cool to see the matrix with a nomination
Hen hao!
[ c h a d o k e r e ] [dhs.org]
They nominated the wrong song... (Score:1)
"Uncle Fucka" on TV...
follow the bouncing /. . .WEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL . . . (Score:5)
She's mom is a big fat bitch
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a stupid bitch if there ever was a bitch
She's a bitch to all the boys and girls
On Monday she's a bitch
On Tuesday she's a bitch
On Wednsday through Saturday she's a bitch
Then on Sunday, just to be different, she's a superkinkamayamayabeeatch
Have you ever met my friend Kyle's mom?
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a mean 'ol bitch and she has stupid hair
She's a big big big big big gig bitch
Big big big big big big big bitch, she's a stupid bitch
Kyles mom, she's a big fat fucking biiiiiiitch
Big old fucking bitch ass mooooom
Yeah
Chaaaa
Just what was the acadamey thinking when it decided to honor these little songs?
P.S.I really don't have a point, but I couldn't pass up the chance to use the word bitch a dozen times and not be offtopic!)
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Being from Canada... (Score:1)
NOT!!
After listening to this song(shortly after the Oscar Nominations were announced), I love it
Dave
Trey and Matt (Score:1)
I finally saw Orgazmo last week... I need to track that down on DVD. If you haven't seen it, be sure to check it out.
Re:Vulgar Language is NOT neutral (Score:2)
I do not, nor to millions of other people. I enjoy southpark. I enjoy The Stile Project [stileproject.com]. If you don't, then that's your choice.
I would rather not see articles and comments praising South Park for its humor and originality and tunefulness, and forgetting the fact that vulgar language is an ugly black mark on those who use it. I don't care if you think I'm old-fashioned, I just don't like it!
Southpark isHumorous, and original, and truthful. The articles are not wrong, regardless of what you think is 'appropriate'. That little "black mark" is worth millions, because not everybody agrees with you. If you don't like it, I'm sure there are some American Family Assoc. [afa.org] news sites that you can visit. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our lives, regardless.
[ c h a d o k e r e ] [dhs.org]
Correction (Score:4)
King Kamehameha was a well-known Hawaiian monarch. Don't ask me what he's got to do with Kyle's mom.
Eric
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"Free your code...and the rest will follow."
Re:HA! (Score:2)
man, this review might possibly be funnier than the movie, itself.
now, I just GOTTA see the movie.
and I'll have to thank the CAPtains for their review of this movie. I should check back to this site frequently to see what ELSE I'm missing!
bravo-O!
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MPAA vs. Oscars (AMPAS) (Score:2)
The MPAA bills itself as "the trade association of the American film industry." The Oscar people, the AMPAS, OTOH say that the "purpose of the Academy is to advance the arts and sciences of motion pictures." And that it's a "professional honorary organization".
So it sounds like the pie has been split in half. The MPAA handles the money bits, AMPAS handles the artistic part. So being pissed at the MPAA shouldn't reflect on the Oscars. So don't boycott them, mmmkay?
Re:From the Great White North, Ah? (Score:2)
Yeah, and I promise to shoot the militia wacko before he even draws on you..
Ratings an' suchlike (Score:2)
I remember going to Ottawa from Calgary in 1982. Alberta gave Tron a G and Ontario gave it a PG with a violence warning.
IIRC, American Pie here in Ontario was AA (or 14+) with a sexual situations and language warning while in the US it was R.
At least there's ONE thing that we don't have to kowtow to the Americans for
Pope
Not quite right... (Score:2)
1) Producer billing on IMDB page is alphabetized. So I'd say the order is meaningless.
2) The writer credit is with an '&' sign. That represents a writing team, who are counted as one writer by the guild. The order in a team is irrelevant -- you assume that both are equally involved. The third writer is not part of the team, so she gets and AND, not an &.
3) Mr. Hat is the same character as Mr. Garrison, essentially.
4) Officer Barbrady probably had under 5 lines, so I wouldn't count that as much.
I mean, in a sense, you're right, it looks like one did a lot more. But even if they didn't do *any* of the voices, South Park would still belong to the pair, because they write all the episodes. And since they share the writing, I figure they're equally important to the final product. The writings the most important part, mmmkay?
SP Downloads (Score:2)
If you have the bandwith or the patience, you can pick up either MP3 or Quicktime MOV files from SouthPark RangerStation [rangerstation.com]
It's almost like seeing the movie again.
Great Flick (a few spoilers) (Score:2)
Great movie. The whole point was that parents should pay more attention to their kids, than to what their kids are seeing. And Chef's squad in Operation Human Shield, and Cartman going anime as a finale, great stuff. Satan singing "Somewhere up There." Should have been nominated for best picture.
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if geeks ruled the world... (Score:2)
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Hey now! (Score:2)
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada, Blame Canada
Well, I've heard people say bad things about Celiné Dion but that's just the limit.
With tissue paper issues,
Matthew
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How about "Most Obvious/Best Line in a Movie Ever" (Score:2)
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Kyle's Mom is about to execute either Terrence or Philip; I forget which one...and he's in the electric chair...and Kyle's Mom asks him if he has any last words...to which he replies:
"How about: GET ME OUT OF THIS FUCKING CHAIR?"
Why nobody's used this as their real last words on record yet is beyond me...
Re:You should try Jesus instead (Score:2)
Jesus is actually a rather pleasant (yet unimportant) character on the show. He defeated Satan quite handily one episode, yet no one believed he would.
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In two weeks.... (Score:2)
google rocs (eggs)
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Re:Who the heck is Brian Boitano? (Score:2)
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
Re:Disgusting.. (Score:2)
"Blame Canada" is sung by Mrs. Broflovsky (Kyle's mom), who is notorious for rushing off on crusades to "protect the children", while neglecting basic parenting within her own family. The people in the movie who "blame Canada" are shown as destructive buffoons, blaming someone else -- anyone else -- for their own failure and irresponsibility.
Many people find "South Park" offensive on any number of levels, but one thing it is not is jingoistic or anti-Canadian.
You choose to be offended (Score:2)
Someone comes up to me and calls me a moron, it really doesn't offend me. They're wrong. Wow. Oh no, i can't go around with people having misconceived notions about me, my race, my age group, the userbase of my OS, etc, can I? Yes, I can.
Esperandi
Being an individual is far more involved and complicated than any individualist understands.
Re:prime time, language barriers? (Score:2)
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Re:You should try Jesus instead (Score:2)
Ahem...I am really sick of these moralistic yahoos trying to suggest that we live our lives in a Norman Rockwell painting. Let me ask you something: Exactly when was the US a moral country? Why not ask a black person if they can remember when we were a moral country? Or perhaps a Native American? It is my opinion that we are more moral as a whole then at any time in the past, although we still have a ways to go. And wtf is jesus going to do? No religious basis is necessary in order to be a moral person. In fact, religion *hinders* morality. It lowers the mentality to the level of a two year old. I think it is really sad if we only do what is right due to the hopes of reaping a reward and fear of punishment after death. In fact all that is needed to be moral is to realize that it is a privelidge to be a self-aware being and that the purpose of life is to enjoy this privelidge to its fullest, which can only be achieved if you help others to enjoy theirs. I must say that "Uncle Fucka" definitely helps in my quest to enjoy life. I am sorry you did not enjoy it. Maybe you ought to lighten up.
small correction... (Score:2)
These are to be used separately from "testicle shitting rectal wart" and "eat penguin shit, you ass spelunker."
Re:Disgusting.. (Score:2)
I'm not just talking about the movie, people, usually americans, insult me, and other canadians, just because they can, and stuff like south park (no I havent seen the movie, but I have seen a lot of the TV eps), the movie "Canadian Bacon", etc, don't really help matters.
It's just disgusting, the song isn't even very good, when I heard it was nominated I went and grabbed the mp3.
Jingoistic? No. Anti-Canadian? Well I've seen the terrance and phillip eps, and, heard this song. Whatever. It's just stupid, the song is stupid, and it gets nominated for an oscar? What kind of fucked up people are in that academy? Perhaps they just want to dumb down the oscars to the general american populace to boost ratings.
-- iCEBaLM
You should try NOT making assumptions (Score:5)
I'd sum it up in one line from the movie's script:
"Remember what the Motion Picture Association of America says: horrific, deplorable violence is OK as long as nobody uses naughty language." (slightly paraphrased)
The movie uses foul language to make a point, one that most conservatives would actually agree with. Calling this movie trash based on the fact that it has foul language would be like calling Schindler's List trash because it has graphic violence, the word "Fuck", and full frontal nudity. All on NBC no less. Schlindler's List uses these elements to display the utter horror that was the holocaust. South Park uses the same elements, but in a bitingly humorous way (it actually has some of the most clever satire you'll ever see, and some of the best musical scoring of any movie in recent memory) but then again, you haven't seen South Park, so how can you possibly pass judgment on it? Based on what others who haven't seen the movie have said?
Re:But what about??? (Score:2)
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DVD boycotters must want new DIVX style standard. (Score:2)
Good god why? Regardless of lawsuits, armies of subpoena wielding wrinkle-free suited lawyers, the DMCA, etc., DVD is now for all PRACTICAL purposes, an open standard. The MPAA and DVD Consortium *just* *don't* *matter* anymore. CSS is cracked and always will be. Embrace DVD. What are you waiting for? MPAA to go Open Source? Put down that crack pipe and face reality. If everyone boycotted DVD, the format would die. MPAA would be thrilled because it would give them another chance to dream up a new and even more closed standard with stronger crypto and PPV and all sorts of other bullshit. Abandoning DVD makes it easier for the MPAA to point and say "See, no one likes DVD, so dumping it will be no big deal. Let's lock it down this time." Do you want to help the MPAA? You do if you boycott DVDs. Support DVD now! Demand more DVDs! Help entrench the already cracked DVD format t make it harder to get away from!
Reason: Mary Kay Bergman's death... (Score:3)
I'd recommend everyone take a look at the work she's done [imdb.com] over the past 10 years. I do wonder about the sense of nominating a song as an homage, not that I mind seeing it up there!
Too bad it'll never win. Make space for one more Oscar on a Disney shelf, most likely...
Only SEVEN dirty words?? (Score:2)
At one time I had the whole thing memorized (From watching the DVD subtitles, of course) and it went something like:
FUCK SHIT COCK ASS PUSSY TITTIES... uh, cunt, something, something, another synonym for feces, blood-drenched frozen tampon popsicle, something something, BARBARA STRIESAND!!!!
Re:Disgusting.. (Score:2)
Didn't you read suck [suck.com] this morning. We're responsible for the DDoS on Yahoo...
The actual perpetrator is more likely a surly thirteen-year-old kid, tired of knocking over neighbor's mailboxes. Or he's a railing anti-consumerist, hopped up on grade-B agitprop and ready to take down the Man. Or he's a Canadian -- you just know they're involved somehow -- amusing himself by testing what makes Americans panic. The specifics hardly matter.
Or check out the movie Canadian Bacon [movieweb.com].
The fact is that people have been making fun of and flaming different cultures/countries for as long as they been on the face of the earth. But, we [Canadians] do have a tendency to look down our noses at "the states". And you know, after a while it might wear a little thin south of the border. This is the same way that one might find it a little presumptious that the championship of baseball is called the World Series.
So lets do a quick comparison:
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Canadian National Broadcaster:CBC
Conistently tells you point blank what you will think today (citizen).
American National Broadcaster: NPR
Consistently puts you to sleep.
Canadian Leader:Jean Chretien
Beats up protesters.
American Leader:Bill Clinton
Hits on interns.
Canadian Currency:The Looney
Nuff Said.
American Currency:The Green Back
Worth something like 1 million to the Canadian dollar
So, don't take it so seriously, and don't worry about being picked on for being a Canuck, 'eh. Now how about you and all the snowbirds[1] go down to the deep south and remind 'em who torched the Whitehouse during the war of 1812.
--locust
[1] Snowbirds, Canadians who go to the southern states [florida] for the winter. Did you know they have a couple of french language dailys down there just for those lucky SoBs?.. Eh Jaques, votre testicules sont echape de vos speedos!
Re:Don't forget the La Restistance medley... (Score:2)
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The song ( & Movie ) has nothing to do with canada (Score:2)
This song got nominated over all others in the film because it spoke to the feelings that many in the guild have about the attacks on their craft. Nominations are a result of voting by the guild, not by the general public. So while we may all think "Uncle" is a great laugh, it's not as important as "Blame Canada" to the guild.
And for the record, I think it has a good chance of winning, and I'm sure many of the same people who are singing that song in their souls will condemn the industry for it. The sad thing about fanatics is they usually don't realize when they are being made fun of.
Have you heard it? It's dead on! (Score:2)
We Canadians are to blame for all the great American problems. Look at how subtly we insinuate ourselves into American culture, twisting their pleasant music and inoffensive comedy into horrid reflections of the Canadian soul. Just look at how Canadians dominate these fields in the US!
Canada is a backwards nation that has only attained a modern standard of living by leeching off of American accomplishments. For example, there was that period of time when we had an organized program that stole a substantial portion of American slaves! (we called it the Underground Railroad, if you want to look it up) For a more modern example, I don't know a single Canadian who doesn't make unauthorized copies of American software and movies. The government of Canada runs nothing but Windows, but has never paid for a single piece of MS software.
Not only are the creators of South Park Canadian, but so are many prominent people you may have thought were a bit odd, but still American. They don't go to any great lengths to hide it, but somehow it never gets mentioned by any of the 95% of news anchors that are Canadian. Howard Stern, Marilyn Manson, Bill Gates, and Monica Lewinsky are all examples of people you might not have known were born Canadian.
America, on behalf of all Canadians, I apologize! We will destroy your country and feed the entrails of your children to our dogs, but it's nothing personal, eh?
Re:Vulgar Language is NOT neutral (Score:2)
I'm going to assume that this wasn't flamebait or tongue-in-cheek; however, feel free to correct me.
I've had this discussion several hundred times, with every ethnic and religious combination that I can think of, and I have yet to hear a convincing argument on why vulgar language is an "ugly black mark" on those who use it.
When I read Gravity's Rainbow (one of the best novels of the past century), I never for a second thought that Pynchon's sentences were anything but a comment on his genius, but I'm sure that any dozen pages or so of it have enough profanity to ensure it a solid R rating.
The problem with blanketly saying that profanity is an ugly mark on its users is that it neglects the fact that a profane sentence is not necessarily an obscene one. I can easily take perfectly non-profane words and form them into a sentence that would turn the average sailor green, or I can cuss a blue streak and without anyone would think about it. The problem comes from the context of the words - not the words themselves. I really fail to understand why "fuck" is deemed inappropriate by the majority of American churches (especially seeing as fucking (procreating) is the only legitimate metric for marriage), but a word that carries as many awful denotations as "crucifixion" can be thrown about by the average 3rd grader.
Your choice to not use profanity is just as valid as mine to use it. The metric for intelligence shouldn't be whether an individual uses a very specific subset of the English/Japanese/Spanish/etc. vocabulary, but the entire subset that said individual uses. I don't have much respect for people who can only use obscenities; however, I have just as little respect for people who constantly interject "like, uhm..." and other nonsensical gibberish into their sentences.
While you may find the lack of clean humor unfortunate, I find it vindicating. Old-style conservatism is one of the most authoritarian and fascistic hold-overs from Euro-American history. It caters to the belief that what works for someone important must work for everyone, and if somebody more important than me doesn't like something, than I shouldn't either. However, all religions agree that I am a sentient being - therefore, I am capable of making choices that affect me by myself, and you by yourself. You may not agree with me, and I may not agree with you, but dammit, that's how it is, and nobody can deny us that (I think Voltaire wrote something similar...). South Park may cater to "the lowest common denominator" (I tend to disagree with that assertion), but dammit, somebody sure needs to - how else would I, as an elite member of this LCD, get my weekly ration of comedy?
I doubt what I believe will influence your opinions at all. In fact, I am probably already burning along with Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Adolf Hitler, and the rest because I choose to eschew some of the mores of old-style conservatism. I personally try to paint as few "ugly black marks" on people as possible (you know, it's difficult to find beauty when everything has an ugly black mark on it) - and for that reason I set my "offensive tolerance" quite high (e.g. it'll take more than a few dirty words to offend me), and my "black mark" level even higher. I also think that if everyone started painting significantly fewer ugly black marks, the intolerance and prejudice that culminates in nightmares like Columbine would also disappear, but that's a topic for a different rant.
Don't you make fun of Americans? (Score:3)
No offense to clueful Americans, but the bulk of your population probably couldn't find Canada on a map.
All the time we get American tourists who expect freezing weather in July in Southern Canada (the largest of the 5 provinces). Or some fool who comes into a restaurant and expects a spoon for their soup (imagine it, eating with a spoon in public! I mean, I do it sometimes at home when I'm alone, but I would never touch one in a restaurant). Worst are the people who don't seem to know to tip the border attendants. I mean, they are way too polite to ever say anything about it, but tips are half of their income!
When I travel to the States, I often find people who believe me when I tell them that I live in an igloo, and a friend of mine even had a group believing that he had a pet polar bear. Then I had one guy believing that life was essentially the same in Canada as in the States. Seriously! He believed me when I told him we didn't have compulsory military service and that Canadians have to pay for a university education just like in the States, he even bought it when I told him Canadians can own land! The funniest time, though, was a few years ago when I had a fellow believing that kids in Toronto go to school up to grade 13. Believe me, I've gotten a few free rounds of maple beer with that little story.
Re:Only SEVEN dirty words?? (Score:2)
Just to clarify:
George Carlin's original "7 Words You Can't Say on TV" were:
Of course two of the words, piss and tits, are now ok. What's next? I have my my money on "shit". It's a very useful word, and all the alternatives are either childish (poop) or overly prim (feces).
Re:follow the bouncing /. . .WEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL . (Score:2)
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine [nmsu.edu].
Re:But what about??? (Score:4)
'Nuff Said.
DVD boycotters must want an open standard. (Score:2)
- Rev. M. Niemoller
The MPAA, RIAA, etc. do not hold closed standards above profits. A boycott of all closed standards will indeed force them to open up. Let them put their money where their mouths are. =)
- rak.
Re:Only SEVEN dirty words?? (Score:2)
However, I wasn't aware that the word 'tits' had become acceptable. 'Teats' maybe... 'Piss' I'd believe though.
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine [nmsu.edu].
Re:Trey and Matt (Score:2)
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine [nmsu.edu].
A Reason to Watch the Oscars (Score:2)
Re:Have you heard it? It's dead on! (Score:2)
You know, for years I have theorized that since something like 60% of Canadians live within 50 miles of the US border, it is because they are massing an invasion force to take the US by storm...;)
Re:Only SEVEN dirty words?? (Score:2)
"Tits" was first un-bleeped on the "Tonight Show". I heard Simon LeBon of Duran Duran use the word. This was several years ago. "Piss" they only seem to allow as part of "pissed off", rather than "I gotta piss like a racehorse" or "piss off".
I thought you'd like that, it's my best story. (Score:2)
Re:Only fair (Score:2)
The harshest rating something can get (besides being censored, which they apparently haven't done since they cut out the torture scene from Casino) is 15+, but unlike America that is an absolute rating, having a parent or a guardian with you won't help.
What gets it? A lot of movies. Examples of movies running right now that got it are "The Green Mile", "The Bone Collector", and "The Messenger" (all of these were rated R in America, but I'm sure one could find plenty of examples where America was less strict).
In Sweden, you are also allowed to say "fuck" on the radio...
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We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.
Who should perform at the Oscars ? (Score:2)
So who should be nominated as entries for the following [proposed] SlashDot poll ?
Who should sing "Blame Canada" at the Oscars ?
a) singer 1
b) singer 2
c) singer 3
d) singer 4
e) Rob/ Hemos sucks
insert suggestions for singers 1..4
Re:The CAPalert guy is a complete moron (Score:2)
Looks like one of those "new way of thinking" sites that I really can't figure out in 3 minutes, at 7:45am, before the coffee has taken effect... guess I better go through the University!
I did read your write-up, and I gotta wonder, what movies got a good review from CAPalert??
I clicked on several and didn't find a single film that's not pure evil. Even Toy Story 2 had its problems... one of the characters told a lie, there was arguing between characters, Barbie danced in swimwear (GASP!!) Even worse, the movie depicted a video game killing, theft, threat with physical violence... how Hollywood can release this rubbish is beyond me. To be fair, Toy Story 2 was only given a yellow light, and actually praised some by the reviewer.
Re:The only songs they COULD HAVE picked... (Score:2)
Nine Inch Nails' "Starfuckers, Inc." is nominated for a Grammy for Best Metal Performance. It isn't even a single; it's on "The Fragile" and is a b-side for the single "The Day The Whole World Went Away." IMHO, it's an excellent choice because it *is* an awesome song, even if it does have a questionable title and explicit lyrics.
Although Oscar != Grammy, maybe these are signs that at least some of the old guard establishment is waking up...
Moderation- Flamebait or honest religious opinion? (Score:2)
This was moderated down to -1, as mere flamebait.
Is that actually a reasonable response to it ?
Let's assume that the AC who posted this is a sincere Xian who really believes that swearing will land you in Heck (if not Hell). What's wrong with that as an opinion ? It's not mine, but the AC has just as much right to hgold it as I might, so why do we blast them with the hair-trigger troll cannon ? If SP is so great, then why don;t a few of us defend it and explain to AC just what its moral justification is ? Surely we're all agreed that Columbine was A Bad Thing and that whatever it is in modern society that leads down that route ought to be stopped ? I just don't happen to blame swearing in South Park for it...
I think their opinion of South Park is just plain wrong (please try watching it) as SP is deliberately far more sophisticated than the crude drawing, grating voices and language would have you believe. It really is a very witty, satirical and deeply moral show, at a level deeper than the obvious. Saying South Park is crude is like saying Reservoir Dogs is violent -- yes it is, but RD is also very much an anti-violence film that doesn't glory in destruction (like much of Hollywood) but presents Tim Roth's slow lingering death as the real horror that it ought to be seen as.
Would I let children watch either ? No way -- (and "child" extends into age 70+ for some people). A "child" doesn't have the moral awareness to see beneath the surface of either, and seeing them only on the surface level is not something I'd want to encourage, at any age.
Note to the original moderator here - I'm querying the moderation, not disagreeing with it. I think it's a valid point for discussion as to whether Slashdot should up or down posts like this; sincere posts with unfashionable viewpoints -- I'm still undecided.
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Julian Cope died for your sins
Re:Don't you make fun of Americans? (Score:2)
ROTFLMFAO
Inside joke? (Score:2)
About ten years ago I paid nearly a hundred bucks to see Le Miserables (the musical [tm]), which takes just the "good bits" out of the Victor Hugo novel and sets them to an even smaller quantity of very loud music. Kind of like this medley but the music wasn't as catchy.
Probably most people in the show's younger demographic didn't have the bucks to shell out on broadway spectaculars back then.
Re:Don't you make fun of Americans? (Score:2)
Maybe the fscking Canuks eat their soup by sucking their thumbs.
Re:You should try Jesus instead (Score:2)
Personally, I come down firmly on both sides of this issue. I do not believe that it is necessary to believe in a religion to act morally.
Kierkegaard, who was Christian, set himself the problem of defining morality in the absence of religion. He essentially came up with a grandiose version of the Golden Rule. He said that by commiting an act, you in essence sanction that act. You say it is okay for everyone to act that way. If you act in a way that is socially harmful, that harm will will eventually come to you from another. The awareness of this fact should cause one to act morally because ultimately, this leads others to act morally.
This replacement of ethic by action is one of the foundations of existential thought.
I happen to think this way of thinking is entirely sufficient for a system of morals.
The problem is, sometimes the harm caused by the moral sanction of an act (say, buying cheap clothes that are cheap because they were made by practically slave labor) is hard to see. Sometimes people are too self absorbed to see that their actions are harmful (how does me cheating on this test harm anyone else?) to the community.
It is much more simple to take the "You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!" system to coerce moral action.
Now, that said, I hardly think that religion, in and of itself, necessarily arrests moral development. From Aquinas to Kierkegaard, from Thomas More to Thomas a Becket, from Mohandas Ghandi to Martin Luther King, people of faith have wrestled with questions of morality and society with great depth, sophistication, and insight.
Sure, some "religious" people use their "you go to hell and you die!" black and white world view to render the moral universe into a "two year-old" mentality, but this is not because of religion. This is becuase they, themselves, happen to have a two year-old mentality.
Non-religous persons are equally capable of oversimplifying moral questions.
That's why I loved "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" as a parody of the oversimplistic "What Would Jesus Do?" school of moral philosophy.
Although I don't see even that as inherently dangerous. If WWJD causes some people to reflect on the consequences of their actions before they act, it probably does improve moral conduct. The problem I have is the imprimateur one might think this gives their actions. "I thought about it, and this is what Jesus would do, therefore what I am doing is as righteous as Christ himself!" I don't think human agency should ever presume such knowledge.
Creating New and More Entertaining Ignorance! (Score:2)
I'm not sure if you got the joke. I hoped that it was clearly ludicrous, but the truth was intermixed with the lies closely enough to create doubt.
For the record here is what was true and what was a joke (all these statements are true, if it says "joke" that means that I joked the opposite in the original post):
Somehow I forgot to work in jokes about our 2-dollar bills (isn't there an American saying "phoney as a 2-dollar bill"?). Unfortunately, like grade 13, these were recently phased out, in favor of 2-dollar coins (much to the delight of waitresses, pizza delivery personnel, and border attendents - whoops! did I do it again?).
Re:Only SEVEN dirty words?? (Score:2)
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine [nmsu.edu].