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Review: Engines of Our Ingenuity 77

Having tragically misplaced the crank on his hot-rodded Underwood, the singular Jon Katz had to revert to his backup activity, devouring words from other writers. Crank restored, here he reviews The Engines of Our Ingenuity, a book which sounds like excellent browsing material for anyone who enjoys reading Henry Petroski, Donald Norman, Stewart Brand or other techno-historical commentators.

The Engines Of Our Ingenuity
author John Lienhard
pages 262
publisher Oxford University Press
rating 8/10
reviewer Jon Katz
ISBN 0-19-513583-0
summary How technology and creativity have affected history.

*

In a timely and very entertaining new book, mechanical engineer and radio commentator John Lienhard recounts the history of human invention and the ways in which technology and ingenuity have affected human history, from the genetic mishap that created wheat, to the monks who built the first mechanical clocks, to the rise of modern computing.

For centuries engineers were a marginalized species, toiling away to design and build the modern world even though few people understood or appreciated what they did. But a few particularly literate engineers -- technologist/writers like Samuel Florman -- created a small but potent literary genre devoted to technology and its impact on society. John Lienhard's "Engines of Our Ingenuity" is a worthy example of this genre -- the author is a mechanical engineer and professional writer -- recounting the history of the world's tinkerers and technologists, from Archmides and his screw pump to the monks who came up with mechanical clocks (an artifact of medieval monasteries) to modern engineers.

Lienhard (who hosts an NPR radio program on technology and creativity believes that technology is a mirror of humanity, and his book is a highly readable affirmation of that theory. He writes about technology with humor, insight and a reservoir of historical perspective. He also warns about the dangers of unthinking technology, and of the technological hubris epidemic in America.

But Lienhard also chronicles one of the world's earliest genetic mishaps -- the accidental creation of modern what by starving farmers. This and other anecdotes provide a bit of pause in the age of the Human Genome Project, when it seems as if the tools to bend evolution's rules are close at hand.

Fittingly, he also refers to the Code of Hammurabi, one of the first codified systems of law, dating back to the days of Babylonian dominance. That code dictated that if a mason constructed a building which collapsed and killed the owner, the mason would be summarily executed. Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.

"Getting things right is a far bigger worry in today's dense technology than it was thousands of years ago," Linehard writes. "Yet while we do not threaten to amputate surgeon's hands or kill engineer's children, our resulting technologies are still surprisingly safe. Only one person in ten million dies each year from the structural failure of a building. And tens of millions of Americans safely make commercial flights between the rare fatalities that do occur."

Lienhard also traces in Enginesthe strange ways in which technologies evolve -- like the fact that telephone companies took decades to figure out that people's interest in phones was primarily social, not commercial.

He offers an inventive take on the rise of the computer which, he suggests, basically invented itself. "We instinctively build machines that resonate with us," he says. "The technologies of writing and printing each altered the way in which we see the world. Each opened our eyes to the expanded possibilities they presented to us. Each profoundly changed our civilization."

This is not only an entertaining but an informative and useful book in a world in which technology has become a central social, cultural and economic force. Few people really want to talk much about it, or understand its history. Lienhard trains his sights on the intersection of technology and culture, and there could hardly be a more timely, entertaining or relevant book on the subject, especially for people who care about technology and it's impact on society.


Purchase this book at ThinkGeek.

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Review: Engines of Our Ingenuity

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    We get the option to killfile Katz, and now you do this? It's early to bed for you young man.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Censorship is when someone prevents others from reading your work.

    Filtering is when someone decides they don't won't to read your work.

    Filtering is about choice. Censorship is about restriction of choice.

    Only in your simple mind are they the same thing.

    Many have chosen not to read your work. Ask yourself why. Your arrogance will undoubtedly lead you to believe it is because your ideas are too radical and dangerous for the drooling neanderthal masses.

    The truth, however, is that we the drooling neanderthal masses find your writing pretentious, your ideas poorly-reasoned, and your motives self-serving.

    What was that first sentence? Does the term "run-on" mean anything to you? Good writing is about communication and clarity. For you, however, writing is about proving your intellectual superiority. It's like listening to a person at a party brag about her SAT score. It gets old fast.

    Just for once, quit trying to impress people and get to the point. Maybe then there will be no more need for a "Katz filter".
  • Just skip the review and jump straight down to the comments.

    That's what I did. I find it much more entertaining to read the anti-katz comments than to actually read what he wrote.

    Unfortunately, I don't get to read much anti-katz stuff since I have the filter on.
  • Yes, I'm funny, haha.
  • I may be mistaken, but I believe that book reviews are always posted by a member of the Slashdot staff, unless they are also the reviewer (such as when Hemos reviews a book himself or something).
    ---
    seumas.com


  • ...that watching these people shriek and howl and jump up and down cause their censor/filters got circumvented..I've got to figure out a way to do this daily.
  • And what do Katz filtering and moderation have to do with censorship, oh wise one?

    If I'm on a plane and my seat neighbour is a very talkative bore, am I censoring him if I use earplugs or an earphne stereo or just fall asleep so as not to be drawn into his morose chat? Am I censoring him if I advise other passengers not to pay attention to this moron?

  • Why, I challenge you to find a single post of mine in which I diss Katz, or come out with really puerile remark like "KATZ YOU SUCK". What I was disagreeing with was your assumption that filtering or moderation have anything to do with censorship. They do not, and only obstinate trolls think so.

    For the record: 1) I do filter Katz stories, because they generally don't interest me and a flood of meaningless discussion ensue them; 2) I was not particularly pissed off by this book review, because the subject at hand interests me, but still I see how people who have a strong beef with Katz find this very annoying.

  • Can Taco whip up a little option that will let us filter any and all articles containing the string "Katz"??

    I filter out Katz gas for a reason. Having his 'work' snuck in by another author is an underhanded tactic, just like the recent story [slashdot.org] anout anti-drug riders burried in bankrupcy legislation.

    Slashdot: You're supposed to be on the side of light, not darkness... Or do you get paid for every Kat'z article that we read?

  • It's really quite simple. If you are the one writing the rules, you don't tend to write them in a way that will let people put you at fault.
  • > Having tragically been filtered by the last remaining non-idiot on Slashdot...

    Since no one reads Katz anymore they're going to start charging you a point of karma each time your Katz filter is invoked. The hope is that either people will start reading Katz again, or else the overall quality of comments will go up as people struggle to ensure that they have enough karma in the kitty the next time one of Katz' drooling rants gets posted.

    --
  • I have the Katz filter enabled -

    a) Yes
    b) No
    c) I browse as an AC.
    d) Please tell me more about the Katz filter!

    --
  • Having tragically been filtered by the last remaining non-idiot on Slashdot, timothy was forced to post a Katz "piece" but mark the author as someone else.
    --
  • That even though I specifically checked that I did not want to see any more articles by Katz on my slashdot homepage, I am now subject to just this; cleverly disguised as an article by Timothy. It seems the editors have now taken on the practice of "grafting" Katz's articles onto others just so they can forcibly get him some readers. Please when I check that i don't want ANYTHING from Katz, I mean just that.
  • I had to read that over a couple of times, trying to see if there was some sort of ironic connection between the two paragraphs that I hadn't been able to catch. Then I remembered that Jon is an idiot who doesn't even bother to read his own goddamn article once over (i.e. "what farmers") before slapping it up. Is this "Open Media", Jon? Because if it is, I'll take literate and coherent "Closed Media" any day.

    And while I'm on the topic, who thinks that Slashdot should hire a proofreader/editor for about $30K a year to make sure that they don't look like subliterates? Alternatively, a copy of Strunk and White is about $6.95. Hey, it's not like I'm asking for a factchecker or anything.
  • I skimmed the article just so I wouldn't have some nagging guilt about flaming someone who wrote something worthwile. Amazingly I managed to validate my preconceptions quite quickly... oh well.
  • They even got my page view so that I could complain about it too. Timoty, I have nothing but respect for you as a rare "real nerd" with good writing skills. But that title isn't going to rub off on Jon Katz even if you post for him. My apologies to the two of you.
  • Bore, n.: A guy who wraps up a two-minute idea in a two-hour vocabulary. -- Walter Winchell

    Coincidentally on the bottom of the page when I read your post. Thought it was funny. Thought you might too.

    -nme!

  • Jon Katz? Didn't I killfile that fucker?
  • So why are you getting all upset now and flaiming Katz?

    I am upset at Katz, flaming even, because he implies that if all the irresponsible engineers and inventors were rounded up and executed, there would be a bloodbath. There may be iresponsible engineers and inventors, but I don't think there are many.

    That's a slur against my profession, nearly every engineer I went to school with or know is conscientious of their responsibilities. Unlike say, a journalist, where one can make provocative statements with little basis in fact just to make a name. The idea that an engineer would design a dangerous building or vehicle just for attention is repugnant, yes this is a standard journalistic practice.

    George
  • How the fsck is this offtopic? There are 5 or 6 other posts about Katz below this and how this one slipped through. Who is doing this moderation?
  • OK, thanks, I do meta-moderate. Thank you for your slashdot tutorial, but meta-moderating doesn't guarantee I'll get to moderate that moderation. I was voicing my opinion. Thanks for your expertise.
  • So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few?

    So why are you getting all upset now and flaiming Katz? I'm not a Katz fan, nor do I particularly dislike him. But here you go flaiming and he really said nothing that goes against what you said, did he? He was merely commenting on society and it's correlation with technology and development. He was making a statement that both society and technology have changed by citing an old set of laws that would be very out of place today. He acknowledges that engineers make mistakes. That's why when bridges fall down, you can file suit, but no one is executed. Or if my car's brakes fail, I crash, and get hurt, I might sue the car company, but most likely 1 in 10,000 parts could be faulty and there is no particular "blame."

    So from examing both your statement, and Katz's review, you get on his case over nothing. I think you missed his point.
  • You change your preferences so you don't see any jonkatz posts and you still get his inane babblings cluttering up the page.

    do i have to make it so i don't see your posts either timothy?

  • Better - when a bad writer bores someone we could force them to suffer the aggregate time spent reading the article watching Barney the Dinosaur. Can you imagine how long 5 minutes x n Slashdot readers is? :-)
  • This story should have been "Posted by Jon Katz" so my Katz filter would work. He doesn't belong on this site.
  • Hey I got extra karma... do your worst hahaaa

    So many people here whine and complain about how their rights to free speech are being threatened, and yet they condemn Mr. Katz for just about everything he says. Why don't you turn on your filters and mind your own &^#% business!!

    End Of Line



  • by xant ( 99438 )
    Jeez, even Slashdot is calling Katz a crank now.
  • I'd like to add my vote to Donk's that this was a freaking cheesy way to get people to read trivial JonKatz CRAP.

    So now I apparently need to filter out Timothy as well. Soon I'll have filtered out all of Slashdot and will only see the slashboxes.

    Oh well, the animated DustPuppy image is fun to watch:)

  • you can also get a CDs of his radio commentaries.

    i got one for my dad last father's day. i know you can get them pretty easily here in houston (where the show is produced), not sure where else.
  • Come on, there's a Katz filter for a reason! Anything posted in another section by a Slashdot poster should be attributed to that poster, not to the head of the section.
  • The irony is just too wonderful..people on a site like this bouncing off the ceiling cause they couldn't filter out a writer they don't like.

    There's no irony here. Just as my right to swing my fist ends at your nose, your right to free speech does not imply a requirement that anyone listen to you. While plenty of people here advocate free speech, nobody advocates coercing someone into listening to crap they aren't interested in.

  • ...I did find it a bit annoying that one of your articles crept under my filter. (The only reason I'm here is that I wanted to see how many people would bitch about it... hehe. :) So yeah, congrats for pissing off so many people. A good "hack". <gag> One suggestion tho... don't be so arrogant about it. Not that you'll pay any attention, but I had to say it...
  • A. I set my Katz filter a while back... Darn near forgot about the man, until this... <sigh>
  • There was a spot that stood out to me that about made me crazy: he opened his parens and never closed them! FETCH ME THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!! ;-)
  • ...and yet i still had to read this. Even the mention of his name is offensive. Cant the filters be fixed for this?

    A.
  • Read the posts! Even with Katz filters enabled, we still all got to see this post! :)
  • I'm not talking about censorship or even the 1st amendment per se. I mean that a +1Interesting or +1Insightful comment may come out of the mouth of someone who you already judged to be the villiage idiot. I am deriding all the me-too "Katz sucks" bandwagon riding. Think about it, most people who read Slashdot don't killfilter Katz. (No, I don't have scietntific evidence but I challenge anyone out there to refute this logically. After all if he was as universally hated as your ilk would imply, /. or Andover or someone else would give him a pink slip.) Therefore, many _like_ to read Katz even if he does get a bit full of hyperbole at times. Ya know what? Katz does a service to /. because he provokes discussion.

    Don't get me wrong, you certainly have a right to disagree, but don't get any illusions about your view being the majority view. You are merely one of a few vocal fellas. Ease up a bit, take a deep breath, and just take it in and move on if you think it is total crap. Others wish to discuss intelligently, not hear "KATZ YOU SUCK" 15 times.
  • Katz is now going to go back to doing what he does best: regurgitating other author's words.

    Refrag
  • Yeah, it would seem that someone left off a closing quote when writing their HTML. Try purchasing the book at ThinkGeek [thinkgeek.com] as I'd expect it'll work better than a large Katz article... And someone on the editing staff, add the " to the end. Honestly, <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com>ThinkGeek</a> ? Such poor HTML skills. :)
  • No, no, it's right there in front of you...he's a crank!
  • Does anyone else find the line "...Mechanical engineer and radio commentator..." terribly funny?!!?

  • Does anyone think it possible to have an "in Reference to Jon Katz" filter? Picking on Jon Katz is like shooting fish in a barrel, to borrow from suck.com.
  • by wishus ( 174405 )
    especially for people who care about technology and it's impact on society.

    That's Katz in a nutshell.

    wish
    ---

  • It sounds kind of interesting, but the title makes it sound like a Jane Austin novel.

    Perhaps this means we can expect a Merchant/Ivory film next year that stars Emma Thompson as a strong-willed mechanical engineer in the 19th Century.

  • a). But every time some idiot posts Katz's rubbish for him and bypasses the filter, I get strangely attracted to the article. It's like looking at a road accident: it's not pretty, I know I'm sick for looking, but it's still difficult to stop.
  • It's really quite amusing for this relatively new Slashdot reader. Entirely unrelated to any news, but fun to watch.

    A thought: Can Taco add a tool to automatically extract offtopic flamebait into a special page one slashbox? That way we could watch battles like this all day!

    sulli

  • It is sad that the review of this book has degenerated so quickly and so immediately into an anti-Katz and ageist rant. The irony is thick. The series is very thoughtful, and encourages us to be the same. Of course, when everyone is busy being angry, we have no time to think

    For those who converse instead of yell, Dr. Lienhard's radio show and a related class at the University of Houston introduces us many interesting views, and forces us to think critically. For instance, could the Oxygen atom have been "discovered" before we believed in atoms? What relationship exists, if any, exists between the plague and the printing press? Was the loom the first computer controlled industrial device? Dr. John Lienhard is a very intelligent and diverse person. He offers a unique perspective of history. This perspective elevates technical class to their proper place.

    It is my personal opinion that we respect and understand how things got to be the way they are. One of the best ways to do this is to understand where the history of thier development. This book should provide much information to help us attain that goal.

  • Bah, that book review wasn't going anywhere. He could have waited. I'm sure he's learned that nobody likes trojan articles by now...
  • Katz is a memeber of the /. staff. He writes AND posts his own material. Need proof? Look at this [slashdot.org].

    I should add that this is not the first time the Katz filter has been circumvented, either. It has been done at least three times in the nine months or so that I have had the Katz filter on.

  • hmmmm. i am imagining not much of blood bath, no!!
  • by Sarkdas ( 207810 )
    Hmmm I think I may read it....

    The would probably round out my actual PAPER reading for a while...

    Then its back to the CRT monitor that has been burning my eyes for so long!

    WOOHOO!

    -Sarkdas A book is all fine and good but nothing beats it like a book that you can read in between killing shadowrun chars =D)
  • Assuming that the reviewer is not on drugs, this sounds like an extremely entertaining read. With the current non-fiction saturation of books like "Nailbiting for dummies", this is a refreshing change.

    gitm

  • That code dictated that if a mason constructed a building which collapsed and killed the owner, the mason would be summarily executed. Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.

    "Getting things right is a far bigger worry in today's dense technology than it was thousands of years ago," Linehard writes. "Yet while we do not threaten to amputate surgeon's hands or kill engineer's children, our resulting technologies are still surprisingly safe. Only one person in ten million dies each year from the structural failure of a building. And tens of millions of Americans safely make commercial flights between the rare fatalities that do occur."

    I have a tip for you - when you write a new paragraph, try to read what you wrote in the previous one first and see if anything there goes completely against what you're writing. This kind of thing doesn't really make you look any smarter.

    Then again, I guess it's not possible to look much dumber.

    --
    The horrible mutant merge of a Slashdot "author" and a famous "philosopher", out to create a better type of steel through horrible writing!
    --
  • Dude, maybe something happened to his machine, his connection -- maybe he forgot to post and called up Timothy and asked him to do it for him. Could have been a million innocent things.

    I mean, damn... don't be so paranoid. You're acting just like Katz! *grin*.
    ---
    seumas.com



  • The irony is just too wonderful..people on a site like this bouncing off the ceiling cause they couldn't filter out a writer they don't like. Has to go into one of the books..Mmmm...
  • I have an idea (apologies to those who actually want to talk about this good book). How bout you all get blocking software for your filtering software..sort of like a double condom? That might protect you..
  • Here are just a few of my favorite episodes of the Engines of our Ingenuity:

    • No. 833: FERMAT'S LAST STAND [uh.edu], in which Dr. Lienhard examines the solution to Fermat's Last Stand... and concludes we may have lost something in its proof
    • No. 157: THOMAS CRAPPER [uh.edu], in which Dr. Lienhard debunks the myth that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet.
    • No. 984: FAILED CONSERVATION? [uh.edu], in which Dr. Lienhard points out the counterintuitive relationship between efficiency and consumption.
    Those of us who live near the University of Houston, where Engines is produced, are lucky to have been able to hear this radio program for many years. May it continue many more.

    --Jim

  • > How the fsck is this offtopic? There are 5 or 6 other posts about Katz below this and how this one slipped through. Who is doing this moderation?

    Start meta-moderating, and maybe you'll get a chance to straighten it out.

    Visit the FAQ linq at the upper left of the main /. page to get started on meta-moderation. (Sorry, ACs need not apply.)

    --
  • A title like "Engines of Our Ingenuity" is suspiciously Katzish

    That's the same thing I thought when I started hearing the radio shows. The show is pretty good, however, and I don't necessary have a problem with John Katz' articles either :P

  • Ok, so we have a story about new anti-drug-speech legislation being hidden in a bankrupcy bill. They do this so the legislation can slip in hopefully without being noticed.

    Shortly thereafter, we have a Jon Katz article posted by timothy. I assume this was done so his writing could slip in under my Katz filter.
  • Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.

    Finally a use for the DMCA: no more excecutions!



    Being with you, it's just one epiphany after another
  • Please mark these as posted by Jon Katz so that my Katz filter would work.

    I've long since stopped complaining about his bad writing, recycled opinions and weak overall composition, since I finally just filtered him out. I've been much happier since then, but if he gets to post around my filters, I get to complain.

  • So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few? The double decker highways collapsing in Oakland or Japan? I'm sure a foolish company put in an earthquake resistant bid for those, and I'm sure they weren't the low bidder. Some government official decided those highways didn't need to be earthquake resistant, maybe we should execute them.

    So should the engineers be held accountable, or the government officials?

    I've been bothered for some time about the differences between the concept of professionalism in engineering, and the lack of any such concept in the management and bureaucratic fields. Engineers take tests and work under the guidance of qualified mentors in order to obtain a Professional Engineer license. This is so they can "sign off" on designs that people's lives depend on, putting their qualification and reputation on the line. I'm not sure of all the legalities in terms of being sued for engineering malpractice, but there is certainly the risk of losing one's license if a design turns out to be flawed, or a calculation incorrect.

    Managers and bureaucrats seem to get a pass on this kind of structured responsibility. While they often have more power than engineers, their profession is "too uncertain", "too difficult", etc, for them to be held accountable when they screw up. Of course they can be fired, at least managers in private industry can be fired (I'm not so sure about government bureaucrats), but they aren't held up to the same professional standard as engineers. It's almost like politics, where good intentions and sincerity seem to be more important than having a good plan, or actual results.

  • "Since no one reads Katz anymore..."

    Idiot. I doubt that even a significant minority of the regular readers of /. have killfiltered _anyone_. Any person, regardless of whether you agreed with what they have said in the past may have someting valuable to say in the future. I'm sure you are all the the same "parrots" who screech about free speech issues too. Hypocrites. Stop trying to be cool ok boys? Try to contribute. If anything kills the interesting banter here, its YOUR Katz-bashing, and all the whining about moderation.
  • So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few? The double decker highways collapsing in Oakland or Japan? I'm sure a foolish company put in an earthquake resistant bid for those, and I'm sure they weren't the low bidder. Some government official decided those highways didn't need to be earthquake resistant, maybe we should execute them.

    Another Example for you: The Interstate 5, Cal Highway 14 Interchange. The Sylmar Quake in '71 knocked it down, a photo of the wreckage was even featured on one of the Doobie Brothers albums (can't remember which one). They rebuilt it the exact same way, and what do you know, it fell down the on the next big quake that came in the area, Northridge in '94. Now that's not just bad design, thats reimplementation of a failed design. We should be knee deep in the heads of Caltrans engineers after that.

  • by RebornData ( 25811 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:42AM (#937108)
    As mentioned in the article, John Lienhard does a radio program as well- it's actually more of a commentary on a single topic than a program, running somewhere around 5 minutes long. It's used a filler material by a lot of NPR stations.

    Anyway, he's done a bazillion of these shows, and I'm guessing they were the primary source material for the book (which I haven't read). Fortunately, the transcripts (all 1500+) are available on the web [uh.edu]. They're interesting reading and good for at least a few hours of time wastage. :-)
  • by Kartoffel ( 30238 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @10:00AM (#937109)
    KUHF 88.7 FM right here in Houston is the home station where John Lienhard does the Engines of Ingenuity show. It's one of the main reasons I listen to NPR in the morning.

    There are transcripts [uh.edu] of the show available at the University of Houston.

  • Because the &^#% review was written by &^#% Katz but was POSTED by &^#% timothy so the &^#% filter didn't work like it should.
  • by DonkPunch ( 30957 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @08:07AM (#937111) Homepage Journal
    Interesting moderation on this post so far....

    2 Offtopic
    1 Insightful
    1 Interesting

    First of all, the review was written by Jon Katz. Jon Katz' writings are an ongoing issue on slashdot. The reality is that slashdot likes posting Katz' work BECAUSE it is controversial. Some find him interesting. Some find him pretentious and self-indulgent.

    The Katz filter was designed so that people who find Katz' writing style grating (such as myself) could choose to not see Katz postings. This was supposed to cut down on complaints about Katz' writing style and his tendency to state opinions as though they were commonly accepted facts (an all-too-common trait among modern pop editorialists).

    By posting a Katz article under timothy's name, Slashdot has bypassed the Katz filter. Therefore, complaints about Katz are FAIR GAME on this article and are hardly offtopic. You guys fired the first shot, not us.

    I don't give a flying fsck about my Karma anymore, but what we have here are moderators moderating based on personal opinions of Katz and/or me. That isn't how it's supposed to work, guys.
  • by nhurm ( 55699 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:59AM (#937112)
    even better listen to him on the radio, ot read the transcripts of his radio show at http://www.uh.edu/engines/ . I live in Houston where this originates and have had the privelifge of hearing Dr. Leinhard speak in person and to have a (albeit quite brief) conversation with him. He is given to a pariculary well rounded perception of events that have shaped our societ(y)(ies). He has been working quite some time on putting the content of his excelent radio commentary into book form and though I have not yet obtained my own copy ( I will soon) I understand that he has done an excelent adaptation to the different medium.
  • by LocalYokel ( 85558 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @07:11AM (#937113) Homepage Journal
    A title like "Engines of Our Ingenuity" is suspiciously Katzish, so I HAD TO see whether Katz was behind the curtain. Did you click through for the same reason?

    While I dislike the work of JonKatz, this is not the issue. The important argument in this thread is that in their preferences, many people have specified that they do not want Katz articles, but on at least three occasions, the /. staff has given those people (including myself) a Trojan Horse. This is very upsetting.

    My suggestion for repairing this problem is very simple. If Katz is not going to be the author of all his articles, he should at least be his own subject, just like Science, BSD, etc. -- subjects can also be filtered. Better yet, get another commentator (one with a clue) and make a "commentary" subject that people could choose to filer out, or simply watch and see how the two compare.

    --
  • by TopShelf ( 92521 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:42AM (#937114) Homepage Journal
    I second that motion...

    Just when thought it was safe to read Slashdot...

    Katz!!!

  • by 11223 ( 201561 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:34AM (#937115)
    Purchase this book at Open Media: Taking Old Fartism Down

    Didn't know he was running a bookstore now...

  • by Jon Peterson ( 1443 ) <jon@@@snowdrift...org> on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:51AM (#937116) Homepage
    This book annoyed me. It was like this single person (who was probably white and over 30!) felt that he could decide whatever went in it. What gave him the right to ignore the many experts under the age of 30 that could have contributed to his ideas? Imagine how much better this book could have been if millions of experienced Open Media readers had been able to review it at Beta stage and submit patches!

    After all, we all know that closed source Old Media books are full of stupid bugs, like bad grammar, typos, and people not closing brackets. Conversely, Open Media never has these problems because "With enough eyeballs all typos are shallow".

    So, let's have no more of this Old Media. Why wasn't this book submitted under that GPL-like license for books? Where's the website? I mean, this one person OWNS ALL THE RIGHTS TO THIS BOOK. Come on guys wake up! Did you know that most US schools have 100% of their library books under restrictive licenses enforced by greedy publishing companies and authors who won't share their code! We have to change this, because even though almost all publishing companies are pretty nice and let you photocopy stuff for personal use, THEY MIGHT BE BOUGHT UP BY MICROSOFT AT ANY TIME and then Bill would take our books away!

    Come and join Open Media books project to work on our Open Media implementation of all the books ever written. We are currently working on "See Spot Run" and have implemented most letters apart from vowels. This should be ready for alpha release soon.

  • by georgeha ( 43752 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @05:43AM (#937117) Homepage
    Fittingly, he also refers to the Code of Hammurabi, one of the first codified systems of law dating back to the days of Babylonian dominance. That code dictated that if a mason constructed a building which collapsed and killed the owner, the mason would be summarily executed. Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.

    This idea was stressed and reinforced when I was taking engineering classes. We realized we had responsibilities akin to a doctor, except a doctor has a hard time killing hundreds of people at one time.

    Now, I may be an old fart, but this was only 15 years ago, I can't imagine it has changed much (BS Aerospace, 1988).

    So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few? The double decker highways collapsing in Oakland or Japan? I'm sure a foolish company put in an earthquake resistant bid for those, and I'm sure they weren't the low bidder. Some government official decided those highways didn't need to be earthquake resistant, maybe we should execute them.

    You might want to execute the builders too, if you use shitty materials, the best design in the world won't help.

    Oh yeah, Salon has a review on a similar book, Collapse, when buildings fall [salon.com]
    down.

    Also, could we extend your analogy to journalists? Can we execute a journalist if a suicidal teen reads their work?

    Of course, engineers and inventors aren't held accountable that way, but then, the only people that are held accountable with a penatly of death are poor, retarded minorities (unless you live in an enlightened country).

    George

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