The Truth 138
The Truth | |
author | Terry Pratchett |
pages | 336 |
publisher | Harper Collins |
rating | 9/10 |
reviewer | bs |
ISBN | 0380978954 |
summary | A refreshing new perspective on yet another romp through the streets of the greatest city on the disc, Ankh-Morpork. |
The Truth, which is Terry Pratchett's 25th entry into the hopefully never-ending discworld saga, features yet another Ankh-Morpork mystery. Only this time, there's a twist -- Instead of focusing on how The Watch again save the city, The Truth tells the tale from the perspective of William de Worde, founder, editor, and investigative reporter for the city's first newspaper. With the news that The Watch is investigating an attempted murder by the ruler of the city, William's fledgling newspaper quickly grows and just as quickly attracts the attention of many important city citizens.
For those who have yet to encounter Terry Pratchett's Discworld, here's the short version. The Discworld is a fantasy world which is most definitely flat. In fact, it rides on the backs of four giant elephants, who in turn stand atop a giant turtle. Pratchett's world parodies any and every element of our world that he can put his pen on, from movies to music, from fairy tales to opera. All along, Pratchett's razor sharp wit supplies innumerable references to pop culture, and he has a seemingly endless supply of puns.
When recommending any of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, I'm faced with the issue of continuity. You see, with 25 novels in the series so far, references to earlier novels in the series are practically inevitable, and The Truth is no different. However, thanks to the nature of the narrative, The Truth should be relatively accessible to new readers. Because William and his employees on the newspaper are all characters newly introduced to the Discworld, no prior knowledge is needed. However, the cast of characters with which William deals -- from Lord Vetinari to Commander Vimes to Gaspode the Wonder Dog -- might seem a little shallow if you don't have the background supplied by previous books in the series. Don't let that deter you, however, as there is still a lot in this book to find funny, even without the heaps of background that is assumed.
The entire telling of this tale is solid. From the subtle clues sprinkled throughout as to what is happening to the parodies of cameras and palm pilots, the narrative doesn't have a piece out of place.
The only major flaws in the book are the aforementioned Pratchett learning curve and the eclipsing of our hero, William, by the supporting characters in the novel. From a villain by the name of Mr. Tulip, whose wallet reads "Not a very nice person at all" and believes that a potato will save his soul, to Otto Von Chrek, the newspaper's photographer and a recovering vampire, who occasionally finds himself a pile of dust when his flash goes off, William simply doesn't stand out. William is just an ordinary guy who wants to know the truth about what is happening and wants to share that truth with anyone willing to read or be read to. William is very easy to relate to, and for that reason makes an excellent main character, but when push comes to shove, William is finds himself better suited as an observer than a saviour."
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Re:Recommendation (Score:1)
So am I the only person in the world who didn't like Good Omens? I love both Terry Pratchett's and Neil Gaiman's individual works, but I didn't think that their styles blended well in Good Omens.
--Phil (I'll get my coat...)
Re:Call that a review? (Score:1)
1st the wizards don't like the idea, because letters used in printing one magical book tend to acquire some magical properties themselves, and this can be bad when printing a totally different magical book.
After all, the books in the library of the wizard's school (Unseen University) tend to be chained down to the shelves for the protection of the books, patrons and the universe at large, and let's not even get into the grounding rods...
But 2nd, the Guild of Engravers is happy with their monopoly. Footnotes in earlier books point out that movable type has been known for a while and tried before. But then the printer using it committed suicide. They knew it was suicide because of the note that was engraved on the head of a pin
Re: Tarantino Parody (Score:1)
Re:Pratchett... (Score:1)
There's no need to worry, the cartoon adaption of Soul Music is absolutely brilliant. Terry himself has said as much, and attributes it to knowing when to step in and correct something, and when to get out of the way and trust the people he was working with.
I saw it at Worldcon, but if you have access to PAL equipment it is available for purchase from amazon.uk, and probably other less evil companies as well.
Darn (Score:1)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
Re:never read the series but.. (Score:1)
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:1)
I have to admit, when I first started reading it, I was suprised... I never thought that Pratchett was the type of author to use vulgarity, even if the word was never actually printed.
I literally fell out of bed laughing when I got to the part where I realized that it wasn't some sort of Victorian-era censorship, but that Tulip was actually pausing before saying "ing"... such a well-cultured thug. I couldn't help but feel sorry for him during the course of the book, and happy that he finally ended up where he did.
Re:Where to start reading... (Score:1)
That'll be "The Fifth Elephant"
Incidently, I don't know if we get them first "over here" or something, but it's been out in paperback in the UK for a while; good book too.
I know they're not popular around these parts, but ever thought of trying amazon.co.uk?
Cheers,
Tim
Re:Pratchett... (Score:1)
Re:Thanks for the Description (Score:1)
Re:For those interested (Score:1)
[1] They say this will nolonger be the case and the books will be released simultaneously, however I understand they'll continue with the awful US cover art.
Pratchett or Patel? (Score:1)
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
Re:never read the series; try Small Gods (Score:1)
After that I'd suggest Hoggfather, Mort, Guards, Guards, and the first Witches one. The earlier Rinceward books are fun, but IMHO P. hadn't quite hit his stride.
Re:never read the series; try Small Gods (Score:1)
Re:Ye (Score:1)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | http://www.infamous.net/
never read the series but.. (Score:1)
Re:Terry Pratchett rules. (Score:1)
Some of the Discworld books do read a lot like copies of older ones ("Carpe Jugulum" is "Lords and Ladies" with vampires instead of elves), but Pratchett manages to be consistently readable and entertaining long past when lesser authors have just programmed macros into their word processors (Piers Anthony, for example).
I like ALL the story arcs, including those with the witches. But some books are certainly stronger than others.
Steve (speaking for myself, not Compaq)
Steve Lionel
No one mentioned (Score:1)
Faust among equals : funny
Here comes the sun : eh, so so
Overtime : Call the 'osptal I'm dying here!
Ye God's : Too funny
Grailblazers : Best Time travel book ever.
...and best of all..
Who's afraid of beowulf? : Nuff' Said
Read and Laugh, read again laugh again.
Re:B.S. Johnson and the Assassins. (Score:1)
Re:Americans and British Humour (Score:1)
Wyrd Sisters DVD (Score:1)
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Donald Roeber
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:1)
W
HF (was: hard to pin down?) (Score:1)
I've never understood why so many of Pterry's fans rate Hogfather so highly. I thought it was the most disappointing in the series so far - too many aspects were minor variations of themes from previous books, too many loose ends in the plot details... plus, I just don't find Susan D a particularly interesting character: she's too sensible and competent to fail at anything she sets herself to achieve, especially when Grandfather is around to nudge the outcome. It's a pity; shorn of the padding, HF could have made a glintingly dark novella.
Thanks to everyone for the other comments, though, it sounds as though The Truth is worth picking up if I happen to see it on sale somewhere.
Re: you are stupid (Score:1)
Uh huh. "Pass me five beer please!" I don't think so.
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"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them"
Re:_The Truth_ quite different than other novels (Score:1)
The Fifth Elephant was definitely a very good read. Amazing the way in which he's (paradoxically) making the different species such as the dwarves more distinct and believable yet "human" at the same time. Nice to see a cold troll's silicon brain spark for once as well.
Earlier someone mentioned that the witches books are the least entertaining. I totally disagree: I think Rincewind is the least entertaining character by a longshot. The last witch book, Carpe Jugulum, is full of more thematic brilliance than the earlier Shakespeare parody, and shows a real commitment to his new "mystery" mode of writing as well as some fantastic telling of the life inside the mind. He turns vampires into a self-parody, but in the same instance reduces them to the most fearful thing they can be: the seducer and the evolutionary superior of humanity wrapped in a nice waistcoat. Granny Weatherwax has come a long way.
I'M REALLY NOT HERE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY.
Re:The Discworld... (Score:1)
Thanks for the Description (Score:1)
After this review, I think I'll pick this one up soon.
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:1)
Re:The truth? (Score:1)
A full Discworld bibliography is at http://www.colin-smythe.com/authors/tp/titles/nove ls.htm [colin-smythe.com]
Much more is at http://www.lspace.org/ [lspace.org]
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:1)
Pterry also strikes uncomfortably close to home with Vimes attitude that Everybody is guilty of something, you just have to decide what. I'd still rather have Vimes running the CIA/FBI/MI5 or whatever though.
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Re:Pratchett... (Score:1)
Dark side of the sun was not discworld. I've read it, it was a sci fi thing, used bit of the parallel-worlds-quantum theory that's familar to star trek watchers, altough it was controlled and predicted. For example, one of the characters was a lucky robot--it simply couldn't be unlucky. There was also a sentient slilcon based planet. Worth reading, but it aint DW.
Strata isn't DW. Plot: Visitors from a normal, physics dominated, universe find a flat world, somewhat reminisient of D.W. And find that all the magic, is in actuality, highly advanced technology that the inhabitants don't know anything about. It was apparently an early exploration of the idea that became the Discworld. (Although, DW has no sci-fi setting. There are no space ships, canabilistic although civilised aliens)
Re:9/10? (Score:1)
--Stephen Briggs, in About the Companion in The Discworld Companion First Published in Great Britian in 1994 by Victor Gollancz Ltd.
Terry does change things, as needed, I think. I reckon the DW has grown up. There's a plot, there's character development. Things are more, deep, than say The Colour of Magic. Of course, I could be totally wrong.
When Pratchett does Tarantino, you KNOW it's good (Score:1)
Frums
Recommendation (Score:1)
You want to read Pratchett? Get 'Good Omens'. That one book has more well-observed humour, and more enjoyment than the last half of the Discworld series all rolled into one.
Whether this is due to it being based in an identifably 'real-world', or more likely due to the influence of co-author Neil Gaiman (Yes, he of 'Sandman' fame) is debatable. No matter, get thee to Good Omens, leave The Truth on the shelf for another day.
Molt
What's with the cover illustration? (Score:1)
Re:What's with the cover illustration? (Score:1)
Hear hear (Score:1)
As someone who has read the Discworld novels practically in reverse order, I can second the sentiments about the 'Discword learning curve.'
On the other hand, The Truth is one of the few Discworld books that introduces an entirely new storyline and characters, so it's an excellent first-read for those unfamiliar with the Discworld series.
Other Discworld books that are good first reads are Pyramids, Small Gods, and the recently re-released The Color of Magic. Be careful, though: after springboarding into the Discworld universe with any of these books, you're likely to end up doing silly things like buying up every UK edition of Pratchett's books from London bookstores while on vacation. :)
Re:For those interested (Score:1)
Do you have second-hand bookshops around your way? I've picked up quite a few there recently (including the afore-mentioned Pyramids).
Grab.
Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of... (Score:1)
I'll have to agree, clearly much better than the Diskworld books, of which I've read a few. The seamless melding of the absurd into reality makes it one of my all-time favorites. To some extent, though you probably can't carry this comparison too far, Diskworld kind of reminds me of Xanth. (Piers Anthony)
Informal poll... (Score:1)
My vote: Bloody Stupid Johnson. After all, how could such a notoriously bad designer consistently get work before the invention of software?
Re:Ye (Score:1)
Josh Sisk
Re:Recommendation (Score:1)
While I like Pratchett's Discworld series perhaps better than the posters here who seem disillusioned with the last few books in it, I do agree that Good Omens is the best of the Pratchett lot. I don't know if it's due to Gaiman's influence, either, but I think this is a good time to pitch Gaiman's solo novels, Neverwhere and Stardust, which I haven't yet seen mentioned here. Neverwhere in particular is an excellent book, which I highly recommend.
Getting back to pterry, I sometimes wonder whether he was really any smarter than Douglas Adams after all. Adams gets beaten up in these kinds of forums for not writing, while Pratchett gets beaten up for writing books that, to his oldest fans, just don't seem as good as they seem to remember the older books seeming to be. On one hand, continuing to write seems more lucrative. On the gripping hand, however, not writing seems much easier, and Adams is fond of saying that he's very good at not writing. Either way, reading the posts under this story gave me a new appreciation for the movie Finding Forrester.
"Yes, it's sad to say you will romanticize all the things you've known before...and it was not not not so great." -- TMBG
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
I have to agree even though I also really enjoy the Diskworld books (at least the first 10 or so). For a different take on Pratchett's writing, however, you should check out Good Omens which I though was one of the funniest, fall out of the chair, great books of the last ten years.
Co-written with Niel Gaiman
Not set on Diskworld
Deals with the original Y2k problem
Enjoy...
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:1)
Cheers, quokka
A Little Old? (Score:1)
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:1)
Lord of the rings
The Silmarillion
The Hobbit
Urk. Don't get me wrong, I love LotR as much as the next guy, but the Silmarillion is really really really hard going. I'd go so far as to say it blows. :)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
Where to start reading... (Score:1)
The only book I was never able to make it through was "Moving Pictures". And I'm still waiting for "The Fifth Element" to hit paperback...
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:1)
Re:Ye (Score:1)
Re:Hear hear (Score:1)
Yeah, between Pratchett and Iain M. Banks, my suitcase was bulging with new books when I went to London two years ago.
basics of Pratchett (Score:1)
If you're not aware he's a comic fantasy writer, you are now. If you don't like comedies, parodies and puns, you probably won't like him.
I prefer something a bit deeper, but if you're in the mood for a bit of fun, his books are that.
My favourite character is Death WHO ONLY SPEAKS IN CAPS.
If you think Terry might be a bit mad, he is, he likes black jelly beans.
He's also very tall, wears a feather is his hat and is very patient, signing dozens of books for my demented little sister, who owns everything he's ever written.
Bad Review (Score:2)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
Damn, which $3-crack-smoking moderator called that flamebait? I've been one of Terry Pratchett's biggest fans for many many years, and I pretty much agree with tacpprm's post, which was fair criticism, not flamebait, even if it did include the word "shite". Ever since about 10 books into the Discworld series, he's fallen into a complete rut of "write a book about Rincewind, write a book about the Watch, write a book about the witches". Since The Truth is the 25th Discworld book, that makes 5 repetitions so far.
As an aside, what's with that ass-ugly cover? Don't you get Josh Kirby covers on your Pratchett books in America??
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:2)
Uhm - do you seriously think that there are that many Slashdot readers who haven't already read, or at least heard a lot about, The Hobbit? C'mon really: the demographic that would enjoy it (people who like fantasy novels) will have already read it, or at least heard enough about it that they won't get anything new out of a review on Slashdot. A fantasy novel reader knowing nothing about Tolkein would be like a Slashdotter not knowing who RMS is. It's just not going to happen.
Re:Pratchett or Patel? (Score:2)
And while the elephant/turtle/snake/flat world concept may originally have been derived from Hindu mythology-- it's basically what schoolchildren were taught as "the predominate belief structure before Columbus/rationalism/"people got smarter"/whatever."
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
It's a tradition in the states. Book comes out in Britain with a nice cover-- then gets republished here with an awful/tasteless/crude cover.
The American "Harry Potter" titles have rather juvenile covers (fittingly so?) that pale in comparison to the British releases. Supposedly, some American adult readers have bought the British versions, just so they might not be riduculed for reading a more juvenile looking book on the subway, etc.
When Ellis Peter's "Brother Cadfael" mysteries were published in England, their covers looked like illuminated manuscripts, whereas the American versions have pictures of medieval corpses. Rather tasteless, IMHO.
Of course, I'm sure there are counter examples...
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
In the last sequence of Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, Samuel L. Jackson's character is revealed to have a wallet emblazoned with "Bad Mother Fucker".
The Truth (Score:2)
One of his best works, however, is "Small Gods" - a tale of one boy and his tortoise, which I'd heartily recommend to anyone - especially new readers, since it's a story that relies least upon the knowledge of the rest of the series.
Re:Pratchett... (Score:2)
> PS. Quick review of non-DW books: Having read and
> enjoyed Niven's Ringworld, I found Pratchett's
> Strata to be quite fun. The Dark Side of the Sun
>...
Are you sure this is a non-DiskWorld book. I seem to remember that DiskWorld showed up on the very last page (possibly the one before).
Caution: Now approaching the (technological) singularity.
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
Oh come on.. You had to notice the fact that Tulip's wallet said "Not a very nice person at all." on it.. Either that or you haven't seen Pulp Fiction, which is possible I suppose..
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Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
What does "Not a very nice person at all" refer to?
Re:Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
"Do you know what they call a sausage in a bun in Quirm? They call it 'le sausage in le bun.'"
That was the only reference I noticed, though, since I'm an anti-fan of Tarantino.
Re:Pratchett... (Score:2)
Granny Weatherwax: "She's my sister!"
Magrat: "They're sisters?"
Complete change of scene between those two quotes. Clever (perhaps too clever) bit of writing. One tiny example of why Pratchett is best read.
The opinions from my house (Score:2)
My wife loved it. She thinks it's his best book ever.
Terry was obviously (too obviously at times) drawing on his formative years as a journalist, but he does a good job of exploring the differences between human interest, the public interest, and what people are actually interested in.
It was interesting to see Cmdr. Vimes in a book where he's not the main character. If you hadn't read any of the other books, I can see how Vimes would seem to be somewhat cardboard in this story. For those who know Vimes, this is an insight on what it's like to be the other side of the "Stoneface". Not that anyone should be surprised, but it reminded me that Vimes has an extremely unpleasant outer persona.
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Re:The Truth (Score:2)
Re:_The Truth_ quite different than other novels (Score:2)
I certianly agree that this is growth. He has matured, and his writing has become more effective on more levels, so that it conveys a point and entertains.
-J
Re:Pratchett... (Score:2)
Also pretty strong are his metaphors, which are sooo outlandish.... none come to mind, but they're usually pretty good.
Finally, the footnotes are cute. The play adaptations have a guy dressed as asterisk reading those bits, but I think the effect is different.
-J
Re:Pratchett... (Score:2)
If you're referring to Dark Side of the Sun, I can't recall. It very well may have. That was a zany book. Even though "only redheads in 50s sitcoms are zany."
Or was that wacky? It's been a while since Equal Rites...
-J
Re:_The Truth_ quite different than other novels (Score:2)
One instance comes to mind... I believe he was mocking the shorthand phrase "IMHO." Some Ankh-Morporkian aristocrats are having a discussion, and Lord Rust "reflects on the fact that there is really no such thing a humble opinion."
That Pratchett. What a guy.
-J
Re:Pratchett... (Score:2)
I finally found Dark Side of the Sun this summer (in London) and rather liked it. However, I'm not sure I would recommend it to a lot of Discworld fans, because it doesn't have a lot of the same liveliness. And no, it's certainly not DW.
I've lost track of how many times I've reread Strata, but it took me a look through the Annotated Pratchett File to confirm that yes, it was a Ringworld parody of sorts.
It's got some cute stuff, like the Reman empire and the ships disappearing off the edge of the world. But the grander concept of fossils and history and past civilizations screwing with our minds was definitely food for thought. It's like time travel; think about it enough and your head starts to hurt.
Have ye read The Carpet People? That was definitely... an experience.
-J
Re:Pratchett or Patel? (Score:2)
For me, one of the funniest parts is where he's interviewed for a job as a farmhand. ("Do you know how to use a scythe?/ YES...")
Soul Music is about a new (magical) form of music, created by a band which includes a stone golum. Rock music. Obviously a take-off on (among other things) the music industry.
Pyramids includes a take-off on Egyptian history.
The Wyrd sisters start with a version of Shakespeare's 3 witches.
Sourcery starts with the idea of a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son being a wizard -- except that on discworld it's the eighth son of an Eighth son of an eighth son. The other majour character is death's grand-daughter who "takes over the family business", but -- having been trained as a tooth fairy, she keeps being mistaken as one.
Hogfather is about the christmas season gone mad (it includes the demi-god of hangovers).
In any case, just about every Pratchet story plays on various pieces of myth and history. Very little of it survives unscathed.
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Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
TP does seem to be running low on original jokes, but his books have been getting increasingly plot-driven. He's human, but I don't think he's stagnating.
Am I sounding too negative? I don't really *hate* his stuff. I own everything up to about "Guards Guards" (a classic), but he has lost it.
That depends on what 'it' is. There are some books of his that are just plain forgettable, but he's got some real gems among his later stuff as well. Reaper Man, Hogfather, Small Gods, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Maskerade, and The Fifth Elephant come to mind. I believe those are all post-Guards! Guards!.
Re:_The Truth_ quite different than other novels (Score:2)
The truth shall make ye fred.
absurd requirements? (Score:2)
huh? you mean like the offhand comment that carrot is the true king or agnus is a werewolf? The cold air thing is a part of Detrius's charecter and has been played out consistently and well, IMHO. The "requirement" that he use trolls as trolls is no more stifling then that he continue to portray vampires as having a sun allergy.
Kahuna Burger
For those interested (Score:2)
Recently, There have been a set of reprints of the first 3 books, (Colour of Magic, Light Fantastic and Equal Rights)...
The next 3 books were just rereleased (Mort, Wyrd Sisters and Sourcery)
There's still a gap of around 5-6 books between these reprints and the current in-print pratchett books, but these can be found at a number of online sellers for decent prices..
I'd recommend DreamHaven Books [dreamhavenbooks.com]...
Not only are they cheap, but they've got a GREAT selection.. including the Nanny Ogg Cookbook..
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
Not really pink, I feel I should point out, but bright glaring day-glo orangish-pink!
And I didn't like the actual book as much as most others. I fact, I thought he had been really going downhill with the last several (didn't like Last Continent, Carpe Jugulum was ho-hum). The Truth managed to restore my faith though. :)
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
Re:The truth? (Score:2)
Sure you can, and for probably $6.50 at your local book shoppe. Think if it... The truth for under ten bucks, such a deal, when you consider the price of lies. ;-)
I just started reading Discworld, late last year, with Reaper Man. Great book, love the Death of Rats. Since then, Carpe Jugulem, Small Gods, Eric and Hogfather, currently on The Last Continent. Terry is the prolific writer many of us wish Douglas Adams was. He's got a great sense of off the cuff humor and his characterizations of today's trends, parody of other fiction and people is a joy.
My friends hassled me about reading Pratchett for years, I picked up a few of the books and just tucked them in the bookshelf with all the other works I plan to get to eventually and forgot about them. Nice to have a small pile of them now that I find I like them. I'm still trying to find a chronological order for the books, but it's not hugely important, as the books work well in whatever order (which is the order I'm currently working my way through them, in as straight a line as a drunk walks the streets of Ankh-Morpork.) Call me cattle, but all the book review I need is to hear that Terry has put another one together. Cheers.
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9/10? (Score:2)
If Terry intends to continue this series (and he shows no signs of slowing down) he needs to do a few things:
1) Re-read all of his existing books. This will remind him what a good book looks like AND it will refresh his memory on all the now-tired devices he's so-overused ("...through X and out the other side...", for instance).
2) Do something completely new with the series. Write a story set in a completely different area. Don't use existing characters--they have become cardboard cutouts of themselves (with the possible exception of Vetinari and Carrot). This includes CMOT Dibbler, unless it's VERY subtle.
3) Screw continuity. There's no way to reconcile many of the events that have already occurred anyway. Off-hand comments in previous books are putting more and more absurd requirements on new books (cf trolls thinking better in cold air).
Of course, if he is going to leave the Known Disc behind and scrap continuity, it might just be easier to write a book NOT in the series...
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Re:never read the series but.. (Score:2)
Start with the one that has the earliest copyright date you can find. It'll probably be higher quality AND it won't have so many in-jokes.
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Re:Americans and British Humour (Score:2)
Tarantino Parody (Score:2)
While this is funny for the first few chapers, it gets pretty old, pretty quick.
"Why is your partner always saying 'Ing'?"
Discworld Series... (Score:2)
just a imho comment.
Re:hard to pin down? (Score:2)
Americans and British Humour (Score:3)
This statement really drives home the existence of Anglo-American divide to me. Pratchett's a funny writer, but "hard to pin down"? Come on.
Disclaimer: I'm ashamed to admit it, but it was a couple of weeks before I noticed the pun in the title of "The Fifth Elephant"...
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Other great fantasy (Brust, Blaylock, Pullman...) (Score:3)
It's fun surveying the field of intelligent, post-modernist fantasy, which has a sense of humor that ranges from the low parody and groaner (Aspirin's Myth books), through Pratchett's prototypical British comedies, to the delicate sarcasm leavened with moments of slapstick that mark Stephen Brust's Phoenix Guards (light) and Taltos series (dark), to the truly dark and nihilist humor of authors like Jonathan Lethem.
All modern fantasies are necessarily referential; they harken back to our extended common history of myth, folk tale, and legend. And any reference is a potential source of humor. Even Tolkien's works contain jokes, though they happen to be of the extremely subtle linguistic and etymological variety. But Fritz Lieber's Swords of Lankhmar series is probably the first great series which combined a classic heroic style with many elements of humor, from the subtle to the surprisingly silly.
Fantasy is such a rich field for humor, in all its varieties, including Douglas Adams's absurdist works, and the modern American fabulists, like Tim Powers and James P. Blaylock (I just checked on Amazon, and surprise surprise! People who buy Blaylock buy Tim Powers), whose books point the way for fantasy to take place in the modern world, without descending into self-serious allegory or just relying on the tired "lonely grad student/librarian/RPG player/fantasy reader analogue finds a dimensional portal/gets caught in a spell/tornado/satanic plot and finds himself in a fantasy world in which he/she is a master wizard" trope.
Going out on a limb, some other unusual and brilliant fantastic authors and books include Italo Calvino's Invisible Cities and Geoff Ryman's The Child Garden: or a Low Comedy, which really falls into the SF camp, but is a child of both the best fantasy and SF. But it's a very weird and complicated book; I don't know what my reaction to it would have been if I were younger. But anyone who thinks Douglas Adams is funny, and knows at least who Dante and Marx were, and what Europe went through during the World Wars, will probably find this book an entrancing tale. At its heart it's a classic story of adolescence and lost innocence.
For a more straightforward take on the same themes, Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" series is miles and miles better than the other currently popular young adult British schoolchild wizardry and adolescence series, starring a certain Hogwarts student. Please read these, as these are near-perfect moving, exciting, and deeply affecting books that can inspire the young and allow the old to remember what it was like to be young. I could be wrong, but I suspect this series is the kind which adults overestimate the minimum age to appreciate these books--kids who can read Potter and Dahl and Narnia and Tolkien can read these. Also, the only reason people think these are kid's books is that the author made his name as a children's author. These are no more and no less kids books than the Lord of the Rings or Discworld or the Foundation Series.
Finally, for Pullman meets Powers and Zelazny, check out Tom De Haven's Chronicles of the King's Tramp.
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Pratchett... (Score:3)
OK, Pratchett's got the British humor and slapstick thing down pat, and he's really funny, but the "low humor" elements are NOT what make the writing. For me, the best part of Pratchett is his masterful command of the English lanugage, his clever wordplay and creative methods. All stuff that translates poorly into theatre and worse into a cartoon.
Pratchett is not just about things like "The Hedgehog can Never be Buggered at All." You can amek a cartoon with that, a cartoon with pahllus jokes, with all sorts of visual gags and one-liners. But that's not what his work is about. It's about ideas (Small Gods is brilliant), it's about society (Soul Music, The Truth, etc.), and it's about the writing. Espiecally intersting his ability to make his own unique style mimic, chameleon-style, a genre like the cop thriller or th travelogue.
Well, I had been working on a review of The Truth for my school online paper (silverchips.mbhs.edu [mbhs.edu]), but other stuff had gotten in the way. I guess I'd bvetter get back to it.
PS. Quick review of non-DW books: Having read and enjoyed Niven's Ringworld, I found Pratchett's Strata to be quite fun. The Dark Side of the Sun is sort of a Foundation parody, and not as engaging as DW, but still fun. The Carpet People is VERY early Pratchett, and astute readers of his work will notice many prototype ideas and jokes. Finally, Good Omens (co-written with Neil Gaiman) is a very enjoyable book about the apocalypse. A bit more of the "low-humor" there, but that's not a bad thing. The former three are out of print in the US, but you never know....
-J
_The Truth_ quite different than other novels (Score:3)
The Truth is somewhat different than his earlier novels. He's getting more serious, and more pointed, in his satire. While previous novels, like Soul Music and Moving Pictures parodied the music industry and the motion picture industry, they did so in a very light, almost fluffy way.
The Truth is different. His wit has been sharpened, and he has far more to say about modern society in this novel than in previous ones.
He has grown from being merely a well- spoken humorist to a clever commentator on modern society. His background as a reporter for a newspaper has served him well in this book.
The truth shall make ye fret.With all due respect... (Score:3)
Whenever a writer establishes a long and successful history with a particular universe, there are always, always, fans who insist that the writer needs to write more books exactly like their first one or first few. Pratchett is one of the few "enterprise" writers who sticks to his existing universe, yet is always trying to come up with something new to do in it. He doesn't make it new every time -- he often returns to Ankh-Morpork, the three witches and Lancre, and of course Death -- but every few novels he's managed to produce something genuinely new from the nearly unlimited creative potential that is the Disc.
Feel free to post reviews, critiques, and opinions. But please don't take it upon yourself to tell him how to do his job.
The Discworld... (Score:3)
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:3)
I really like Tolkien (note that this is the correct spelling) and I really like Pratchett too. Ranking one over the other is like trying to decide whether Linux is better than a Corvette. They ain't in the same category.
The Truth isn't the best of Pratchett's novels. Try Small Gods for a nasty take on authoritarian religion, classic Greece, and turtle soup.
I think it's safe to say that Tolkien would've hated computers along with all other embodiments of the "modern." He didn't like automobiles, for instance. "ash nazg" & all that.
For a real geek novel, read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. (I'm not saying I spelt his name right.
Terry Pratchett rules. (Score:4)
Pratchett has a couple of different subjects that he bases his books on. I break them up into 5 categories: Death, Witches, Rincewind, the Watch, and Miscellaneous.
Starting points for each category:
Death: "Mort" - The "Death" storylines tend to focus on Discworld's Death and his (adopted) grand-daughter, Susan. Death gets notions into his head regarding humans and wackiness ensues.
Witches: "Equal Rites" - The "Witches" storylines focus on a trio of small-town witches and their escapades. I consider these to be the least interesting.
Rincewind: "The Color of Magic" - Rincewind is the worst wizard in the world. He and whatever companions he can find go on, once again, wacky misadventures and tend to save the world. Rincewind is the definitive Pratchett character; he's a craven, cowardly wizard who keeps inadvertently doing the right thing while trying to save his own hide. Definitely my favorites.
Guards: "Guards! Guards!" - Commander Vimes and his watchmen solve the mysteries of Ankh-Morpork, the primary city of Pratchett's books. The character evolution in these books is incredible. I love all of these books.
Miscellaneous: I liked "Good Omens" (written with Neil Gaiman) a lot. There are lots of others, though.
Enjoy your Pratchett experience; I'm very happy that I accidentally discovered him in a used bookstore.
Re:Good, but he's no Tolkein... (Score:5)
Tolkein is well and good, but Pratchett's Discworld is NOT un-rich or un-believable. Ankh-Morpork has an actual economy. There are people with actual jobs, making the city run. Golems, trolls, dwarfs, gnomes, vampires, werewolves, and witches all interact in a plausible network, doing valuable work with a sensible division of labor.
Hardly. The "Guards" stories, Feet of Clay being my favorite, are technically police-procedural mysteries, worthy of favorable comparison to Ed McBain's 87th Precinct books - but the stories would not work outside of a fantasy setting. The "Witches" story arc broke new ground in the genre with practically every book, deconstructing fantasy cliche after fantasy cliche, and giving new life to some very tired ideas. The fantastic elements of the stories are integral and necessary, not a "marketing gimmick".
Pratchett is unquestionably in the vanguard of fantasy authors, having inheirited that position from the late Avram Davidson. There's more to Fantasy than Tolkein (although, again, I am not dissing Tolkein - he produced great stuff, which is none the worse for its age). Great new works are still being produced, and should not be dismissed just because they are popular and funny.
Call that a review? (Score:5)
Let's try doing this properly (minor SPOILERS ahead):