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Telecosm 52

jsled contributed the below review of the fascinating Telecosm, a bound to stretch some perceptions of the world and the place that communication bandwidth plays in how we live in it. Telecosm explores the implications of information transfer as an abundant resource and no longer the bottleneck it once was, and raises the question of What's Next.

Telecosm: How Infinite Bandwidth will Revolutionize Our World
author George Gilder
pages 264
publisher Free Press
rating 8
reviewer jsled
ISBN 0-684-80930-3
summary A look at the effect of the coming infinite bandwidth afforded by fiber-optic and high-frequency wireless telecommunication technologies.

"The computer age is over."

In the first sentence of his book Telecosm, George Gilder seeks to garner your attention, shattering the widely held belief, especially on forums like Slashdot, that computers are still the most important development around. However, this is by no means an act of yelling "Fire" in the theatre, as Gilder goes on to explain exactly why patterned silicon [the level of the Microcosm, a previous Gilder book] is increasingly irrelevant to propelling the wave of revolution.

Gilder's thesis is relatively straightfoward: ages are defined by their scaracities and abundances. We've just gone through an age where silicon/computing power was scarce; now, it's become highly abundant. Presently, bandwidth is still relatively scarce [unless you live close to Silicon Valley or other metropolitan hubs]... but very soon, there will be a tremendous amount of bandwidth between everyone. With abundant bandwidth, things will start to change ...

Covering a lot of ground in his book, Gilder jumps casually between quantum phsyics and business sensiblities, from undersea cables laid by Global Crossing up to the LEO satellites launched by Globalstar. In between, he tells well-researched stories about Gates, Grove, Andreesen and many others. Gilder, also author of the Gilder Technology Report, has established his position in the finiancial-information world as someone who's horizon of clarity extends further than most others, and tailors his book to these readers [Appendix A, for example, is a listing of Telecosm players, with their symbols, stock prices and market caps; Appendix B consists of ~1 page detail about these companies.].

Gilder tells the stories of the invention of single-mode fiber, using the fused silica as a wave-guide for the light instead of simply a reflective-clad glass pipe. How the single-mode fiber is enhanced with erbium-doped amplifers, and how wavelength-division multiplexing brings the fiber into it's own, able to supplant the entire old intelligent networks with a simple, all-optical dumb network of enormous capacity. Gilder also quickly summarizes the difference between CDMA and TDMA, and makes more than a couple of references to Shannon, entropy and information theory.

After explaining the seven layers of the OSI model, Gilder argues that they will all be supplanted in the telecosm by the fibersphere, "eliminat[ing] virtually everything but the physical layer from the center of the network". After further proclaiming the imminent death of InterOp, Gilder talks about Metcalfe and the Ethernet as part of his larger message: the classic telecom companies have locked themselves into "copper cages," filled with expensive, intelligent and ultimately doomed control and switching equipment. As available bandwidth approaches infinity, this is not only unnecessary, but ultimately an impediment to communication [the light-into-electrons problem faced by optical-networking companies]. Later, Gilder dismisses ATM, with the statement, "Looming intelligence on the edge of the network will relieve all the current problems attributed to ethernets and will render the neatly calculated optimizations of ATM irrelevant."

While this is not to say that these companies cannot break out of their self-imposed cages, Gilder provides examples of the decisions made which allow new players to come up and stake their claims. How GE focus-grouped itself out of computers, networks and software. How AT&T can only go so far to increase their voice quality because of the cost of upgrading every component of the intelligent network. How government regulation helps create and keep the "Digital Divide" intact.

Gilder also profiles the smart decisions made -- usually by smaller, more nimble companies -- which have started to enable the fibersphere. For each, Gilder talks about the people behind these companies. How Bernard Ebbers of WorldCom flunked out of two "distinctly second-tier" colleges, then created WorldCom from scratch. How John Malone of TCI created a very veritcal arrangement of conduit and content, only to merge conduit and conduit later [merging with AT&T]. How Gary Winnick of Global Crossing, a disciple of Michael Milken, created one of the most exciting companies in the Telecosm. This is a book of names and companies, and by understanding who they are and from whence they came, Gilder allows us to understand just how powerful a force they are.

However, when it comes to predicting the changes associated with infinite bandwidth, Gilder begins to fall short. In just two fanciful chapters at the end, Gilder recaps on some themes of the work, and tells a story or two about the family of the Telecosm, reminiscent of 1950s-style "House of the Future" exhibits. Gilder here tells a story about dad listening to his computer tell him about his portfolio fluctuations while he shaves, the son getting immediate medical attention from the diagnostic sensor linked to the Internet, his daughter submiting her Calculus problems over the net, and his wife doing all the grocery shopping, online, by 9 a.m.

He does, however, have some very important words for the changing face of information delivery in the Telecosm, making promises impacting the nature of society. "The new rule is: The customer is sovereign and he knows what he wants: It is not your product; it is time." Gilder promises that businesses will be forced to abscond their implicit drive to waste your time. The average 38-month wait for the installation of a phone line, and the further telemarketing interruptions. The "supreme time waster", television. The decline of lame mass-market advertising, leaving only supremely-targeted ads which actually have a chance of being beneficial to you. Collaboration enabled by the fibersphere will be "liberated from hierarchies that often waste their time and talents," creating new cottage industries which will thrive and grow. This is a future in which the sovereign individual is freed to become as much as she allows.

Gilder's writing is quite readable, at times bordering on poetic. Though the typos in this edition are a bit annoying, they hardly detract from the quality of the content. However, Gilder does miss one important point; in the abundance of bandwidth, there becomes a new scarcity of content. In the end, Gilder's book may best be thought of as a call to arms: start wasting bandwidth, and start working on solving the next problem -- one of novel creation.


You can purchase this book at Fatbrain.

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    The scarcity is one of inventiveness: when technology goes 1. close to the user and 2. becomes so complex that not-initiated cannot follow, it becomes a myth. these books are, sorry to say, about mythology. already had that, 10 and 20 years ago. and what do we have now?? philosophical insights don't help. unfortunately only economical decissions. don't worry, we will be taught what we should need when the time comes. think its
  • by Anonymous Coward
    ...anything written by Gilder is referred to as 'Telejism' This may not translate too well for our American colleagues.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I may be a lame ol' anonymous coward, but.. go check that link to worldcom given by an earlier poster.. does anybody get the idea that this book is really just a prolonged advertisement for worldcom?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:26AM (#221922)
    the telecosm kids!!!

    Wendy Wireless
    Bobby Bandwidth
    Pots!

    (seriosuly, I worked at a dotcom who was actually thought a brochureware site with some poorly drawn cartoons and tech buzzwords would get picked up as a kids show. I'm fairly sure they stole the term telecosm from this guy)
  • If people aren't going to allocate enough time to consume things, we're just going to have to insist that they spend more of their time in pastimes that permit them to triple- and quaduple-consume.

    For instance, no-one in our modern culture should be just watching TV. If they just do that, they're going to be only consuming one thing at a time. If they eat a bag of Doritos(TM) while watching TV, thay are consuming two things at once. If they eat a bag of Doritos and drink a Pepsi(TM), now they are consuming three things at once. Now the economy's really moving along. If they watch that TV with a TiVo(TM), or while having a TV Guide(TM) open to check other listings, now they're Quad-Consumers(TM) and are really helping out.

    This is why we need mobile solutions. Read /. at home in your underwear, and you're only consuming one thing. If you have the JennyCam open in a second window, that's only two things. But read the site on your Palm Pilot(TM) at McDonalds(TM) and stop to play the Millionare(TM) game on the side of the Kollectible Klassic Kups, all while wearing Tommy Hilfiger(TM) clothes and Nike(TM) shoes, and your contribution to the GNP will be noticeable!

    And if you read while you're driving with your Sprint PCS(TM) phone, and get in an accident and are taken to the Mercy Hospital(TM) in a Professional EMS Emergency Vehicle(TM), and have your heart re-started with a GE Shock-em Defibrillator(TM), all paid for by US Healthcare(TM), wow, you're a SUPER-CONSUMER! Right up to the time you're buried in a Casket Royale(TM)!

  • I haven't read the book either, but I have read a number of long articles by Gilder in Forbes' ASAP tech supplement, all supposedly extracts of the book, and in those Gilder did address exactly your point. His take? Bandwidth on the air interface is essentially infinite, because (to take an example) if you are using CDMA, the only limit on the number of calls on one frequency is the ability of the signal processor to separate out the desired call from the noise of the undesired calls; ie it's a function of processor power, which obeys Moore's Law, which is therefore theoretically infinite, and increasing all the time. Thus bandwidth grows continuously. And that's just for technologies like CDMA which essentially filter the entire user space. Add in technologies that pinpoint particular users in the 3D space surrounding the antenna, (whose differentiating abilities are also a function of computing power) and you have bandwidth tending to infinity over time. Gilder makes a sly little dig at Negroponte, whose book "Being Digital" contained a plea to conserve wireless bandwidth by expanding fibre etc.
  • Forget fiber. Bandwidth on the air interface is essentially infinite, because (to take an example) if you are using CDMA, the only limit on the number of calls on one frequency is the ability of the signal processor to separate out the desired call from the noise of the undesired calls; ie it's a function of processor power, which obeys Moore's Law, which is therefore theoretically infinite, and increasing all the time. Thus bandwidth grows continuously. And that's just for technologies like CDMA which essentially filter the entire user space. Add in technologies that pinpoint particular users in the 3D space surrounding the antenna, (whose differentiating abilities are also a function of computing power) and you have bandwidth tending to infinity over time. Gilder makes a sly little dig at Negroponte, whose book "Being Digital" contained a plea to conserve wireless bandwidth by expanding fibre etc
  • This idea is neat to me: it seems to imply that the production of a certain sort of technology will liberate mankind from manmade organisms like monolithic corporations which now are engaged in sucking mankind dry.

    I pray for the day when we first create our own kind of life, a microscopic but fantastically complex artificial organism, a computer, hopefully tested in a closed lab by the professionals who created it, designed to be a benefit to mankind. It is then when mankind will realize that progress is only an illusion, the cascading, arbitrary process of evolution. Worship of technology by introverts like you and I will disappear into an adolescent fad, a reflection of youth. When control of matter becomes the real science it deserves to be, its practice will be limited to scientists, and humans will be left to do other, more human things.

  • Dude... /.'s been doing that for _quite_ a while... since way before VALinux' stock existed, I believe... shaddup.
  • It's not. There might be a Worldcom plug or two, but I don't remember it. It's really about the Telecosm [or Gilder's (per|con)ception of it...
  • The old technologies generally don't disappear, but merge and are transformed by the new technologies. Take agriculture for example. Food production is as important as ever, but can be done by one percent of the population instead of fifty percent. Although a ten-thousand year old technology, it has embraced and been transformed by metallurgy (plows), chemicals, energy, computers, biotech, corporate management, and telecommunications (e.g. knowing the position of a tractor or grain shipment at all times).
  • by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @08:01AM (#221930)
    A technology becomes really useful when it becomes so integrated into life that we don't notice it any more. The analogy people like Detorsouz make in their books is that of the motor in appliances and vehicles. Computers are a long way from this state. However, you don't really notice the 95% of embedded computers in many of the devices around us.

    Telephones haven't reached this state yet, either. Witness these horrible office systems with dozens of numeric function codes and the archaic system of phone numbers. When they become the "communicators" of Star Trek by automatically routing your messages, then they will have become true communications devices.

  • by Gabey ( 18874 ) <gps@extrema.net> on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:31AM (#221931) Homepage
    I got this book free online a couple weeks ago, although I haven't had time to read it yet...link is here: http://www.worldcom.com/us/info/t1/ [worldcom.com]
    Enjoy!
  • How did this get to be [4: insightful]?

    It was written at the leading edge of the dotcom boom, and probably helped fuel some of the irrational exuberance that led to disasters like PSInet stock.

    That's right, because saying the computer age is over is sure to drive up tech stocks. WTF?!?!

    Gilder takes a few facts and selectively uses them to decorate a pre-existing world view.

    Right, as opposed to what you do in the next paragraph, where you decry the Laffer Curve [vistech.net] because the deficit increased, even though the Laffer Curve did accurately predict the increase in government revenues that did in fact occur. Talk about selective use (or misuse, rather) of facts.

    Basically, your argument is this: Hey, this guy is a Republican, and the book as new as the latest Linux kernel, so why do we care?

    Here's why you should care: the guy predicted that the computer age was over, and down it came. All sorts of computer manufacturers are losing money because PCs have become commodities, and even some of the telecom companies are starting to lose cash as their monopolies break up. His views on evolution aren't terribly relevant to the computer industry, and bringing them up is a cheap way to avoid having to address his arguments.

    Finally, just about everything in economics (and every other "social science") is far from proven. Say's Law, the basis of supply-side economics and classical economics, has its successes and its failures, as does Keynesian economics, its main competitor. What's your point?

  • At the same time though, Americans are reading less and less. [plastic.com]
  • by isdnip ( 49656 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @09:06AM (#221934)
    I'm surprised that /. is reviewing Telecosm now; it has been out for a few years now. It was written at the leading edge of the dotcom boom, and probably helped fuel some of the irrational exuberance that led to disasters like PSInet stock.

    Gilder takes a few facts and selectively uses them to decorate a pre-existing world view. This is about what you'd expect from someone whose own home page is on the web site of a creationist group! He appreciates technology more than science; that's dangerous.

    Gilder, you might recall, was the hack behind the "Laffer Curve", which was lame justification for Reagan's nutty tax cuts (what's a few trillion more on the national debt among friends?). As a supply-sider, he is always looking for, well, supply. Fiber optics promise an oversupply of bandwidth. Traditional economics looks at demand too. Gilder assumes that if you build it, they will come, and we'll all be the richer for it. It's, uh, far from proven.
  • by joq ( 63625 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:56AM (#221935) Homepage Journal
    With a UID of 300k that means you've most likely taken another account, or you just opened that up last year around August/September, and if thats the case quit your yapping.

    Solution click on another link if the content doesn't appeal to you. So many people whine about the content and articles here, yet the same ones who complain have yet to submit an article they found interesting.

    So why are you bitching in reality? How much did it cost you in life to visit this site? Did you have to pay to get here? Did you lose some blood somewhere down the line reading /. or are you just being a troll for the hell of it? Don't cry for me Argentina I troll every so often, but all this whining shit, spork, goatse.cx shit is just lame on any level, and especially the whiney little bitches complaining about the content here.

    Shame on the moderator who +1'ed this up, and shame on the one who -1'ses this one down.

    If it doesn't appeal to you, then don't bother visiting, you'd save bandwidth when I read here, and alleviate the load on the servers when die harders post.
  • by joq ( 63625 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:43AM (#221936) Homepage Journal


    Could it be the author wrote this book left it on the shelf and avoided the problems which are plaguing the industry at this current time?


    This is a future in which the sovereign individual is freed to become as much as she allows.


    Wrong, this is a future where many are going to have to tiptoe through all sorts of scenarios to avoid having a future littered with legal worries from all sides of the spectrum. How can you become "freed" from anything when at the rate the tech field is going, we've seen a surge of lawsuits from all walks of life ranging from patents, to copyrights, to any other fabled scenario a company wants to spend money litigating?

    Looking at that aspect, I'd say many would become rather restricted and reluctant to promote "the next best thing", or even themselves out of fear of retribution.

    Secondly amidst all that nonsense, for those who either don't notice, or ignore the warnings, taking a look at the legal system itself regarding tech, it will only get worse, as laws (which are often so broad and obsolete to a circumstances) prohibits many from acting. (e.g. Jerome Hackenkamp [freesk8.org], Max Vision [securityfocus.com], Keith Henson [freehenson.da.ru], Napster [napster.com] [corporations aren't free from actions either], Jim Bell [antioffline.com] and the list goes on) to promote or revolutionize, or even speak in today's world.

    What world is the author living in I'd like to visit?

    However, Gilder does miss one important point; in the abundance of bandwidth, there becomes a new scarcity of content. In the end, Gilder's book
    may best be thought of as a call to arms: start wasting bandwidth, and start working on solving the next problem -- one of novel creation.


    How can you expect to solve the next problem when the ones in front of you are ignored? What about taking a realistic approach to focusing on whats on the table now before crying over spilled milk later?


  • They are not the be-all, end-all some of us would believe. Computers are more a means to the end, whatever that end may be. That's not inflammatory at all.

    Apparently they didn't use computers to proofread the book. What a pity.

    He creates this telecosm and dispenses with the N layers. Telecosm, Schmelecosm. Damn buzzwords.

    The N layers are generally an abstraction. I never hear anyone writing code in such a model to begin with, if you discount the switch manufacturers.

    Someday, Fiber will be a thing of the past.

    What a brave new world we'll live in, if only people stop being stupid. Yeah right.

    Appendix A is probably already outdated.
  • In the end, Gilder's book may best be thought of as a call to arms: start wasting bandwidth, and start working on solving the next problem -- one of novel creation.

    Bah.

    There is no content shortage. There is a content surplus. There is an attention shortage. The consumer of content is a conscious intelligence, and each such consumer has a maximum of 24 hours per day of such attention to allocate to content.

    Building content to expand to fill bandwidth will just result in bigger, faster and more extensive drivel. The content provider needs to focus on quality, and the network needs to find a way to pay for it.

  • His appearance on the cover of Wired is the single event defining when Wired stopped being "Newsweek for nerds" and started being "Old Rich White Guys With Bad Investment Tips Digest."

    Et tu, Slashdot?
  • "." Gilder promises that businesses will be forced to abscond their implicit drive to waste your time. The average 38-month wait for the installation of a phone line, and the further telemarketing interruptions. The "supreme time waster", television. The decline of lame mass-market advertising, leaving only supremely-targeted ads which actually have a chance of being beneficial to you. Collaboration enabled by the fibersphere will be "liberated from hierarchies that often waste their time and talents," creating new cottage industries which will thrive and grow. This is a future in which the sovereign individual is freed to become as much as she allows."

    If this is an accurate summary, this is Gilder at his computer-utopian worst.

    Then again, what do you expect from a man who writes about the glory of computers the next and then goes off on the evils of teaching about natural selection the next.
  • 24 bit color and 32 bit color There's a good reason for that; that extra byte isn't used for anything except to keep memory alignment. That's why 32bit video modes are much faster than 24bit video modes

    Yes, now this is watching crap fly. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard, with the possible exception of the salesman at Best Buy telling someone their 14.4k modem will transmit 14,000 bytes per second.

    Ever consider that you can have (and usually do have) 24-bit color in a 32-bit video mode?

    Ever consider that video memory may not be layed out as RGB_RGB_RGB_RGB_, but instead may be layed out in planes of Red, Green, Blue, and Alpha?

    Ever consider that the extra 8 bits are used as alpha channels, stencil buffers, or Z-buffers on 3D hardware?

    Apparently your knowledge of graphics hardware is inversely proportional to your /. ID. If you're going to spew crap/troll, at least make it slightly plausible.

  • Someone should do some work on the throughput at the *last mile*, the interface between the screen and the head. Its pretty clear where the next bottleneck will be. I also think the answer is not to widen the spigot but to adequately filter the input. The current flow of ordure is like a firehose. I have systematically eliminated the following inputs:
    • non-radio formatted audio
    • television
    • cellular communications
    And dramatically limited the following:
    • cinema (it helps having small babies)
    • periodical print media (WSJ being the sole exception)
    I'm a long-term investor who knows enough to trust a professional financial advisor. I need 24x7 access to my portfolio. Oh, the contradictions of contemporary life.

    And you say I'll need high bandwidth access to fill that 544x372 screen? Interesting.

  • This sounds like the usual "glories of the network" story, which goes like this: In the Near Future, new houses will be built with a "data pipe" leading out to the street. The owner will receive a monthly bill from his "computing utility". If he is an incorrigable "hacker", he might own a PC, but otherwise, his house will be filled with "dumb" appliances that connect to the pipe: his refrigerator can order groceries as needed; the water meter requests a plumber when it suspects a leak; and so on. (Actually, the appliances are merely sensors that send "resource_used messages" back to a "home-management daemon".) There will be a station with a keyboard & monitor so he can surf the web or "rent" an application only when he needs it. Overclocked CPUs are submerged in McMurdo Sound; data are stored on hard drives located in Greenland. Of course, privacy will be a concern, but as the network experts at Sun tell us, "privacy is dead". Alas, poor SETI.
  • How can you become "freed" from anything when at the rate the tech field is going, we've seen a surge of lawsuits from all walks of life ranging from patents, to copyrights, to any other fabled scenario a company wants to spend money litigating?

    The same way you survive in a forest full of bears. Protect yourself as best you can, and get the hell on with your life. Netscape paints a nice picture of what happens to crybabies.

    We never hear about the law when it is properly upheld (as it is 99.99999% of the time), we only hear about the bad rulings. When did you start basing your picture of the world on what you read in newspapers and see on T.V.? Slashdot is a supplement, not a survey.

    -Erik
  • 24 grand/year for an E1? That's a blatant rip-off.

    Last year I was paying 12k/pa for an E1 from Level3 (office in NW6)

    Start shouting.

    Tim

  • Well I don't know, still I am not convinced by this assertion that radio bandwidth is infinite.
    While it is true that in CDMA the important thing is to separate the desired signal from all the others (that can be seen as interference that looks like noise), still, it is not _only_ a matter of processor power to achieve high bandwidth but other things should be taken into consideration.
    Air interface has a lot of problems (like fading or shadowing) that are difficult to solve even if one could use all the wireless bandwidth, because then other things like problems in antenna design or in RF circuits start to appear.
    But if the point of the book is that the usable bandwdith is increasing, then I totally agree, only that, given that we want more and more bandwidth-eager applications, it will still be many years since we don't need to increase our bandwdith.
  • I should read the whole book before giving a well-founded opinion about it.
    But taking the risk: one of the trends (at least in Europe and most of Asia) seems to be wireless networks and using these wireless networks for everything included carrying internet-traffic, and even with all this new capacities of fiber optics, still, there is a limited (short) bandwidth of the radio spectrum that can be used; I can't see how this is going to change in the future.
  • I think what he means is that software will all become more complicated and make more use the resources of the available processing and storage power. It's held as steady as Moore's law that the needs of current software will basically require a computer built in the last 2 years. To make the enviroment as immersive as possible is going to take a lot of computing power. And to date, we've seen no slow down in either Moore's law or the complexity of software.

    The nature of broadband can't quite say the same unless you want to figure the endless stream of cable channels that are availble on my TV that I'll never watch. There's only so much data a person can actually request in one day. Massive bandwidth for the future will really only be needed by home users for broadcasting technologies like television and I question how much of that we really want or need.
  • and each such consumer has a maximum of 24 hours per day of such attention to allocate to content.

    Heh. Only if the consumer never sleeps, eats, or works.

    (I can see the corporate boardroom buzz now... What we need is a nocturnal interface! If they won't watch our Brintney Spears Pepsi ad on TV, maybe we can make them dream it.)

  • The important thing to remember is that the addition of bad content to a medium does not make good content disapear.

    In the "golden age" of radio, you were lucky to tune in a handful of stations, and some of them were not on 24/7... but lots of it was good.

    Now, radio is filled with crap, but if you use a really good tuner, you can still find a handful of good stations. Small (often public) stations play really good jazz, radio plays, indie music, etc. Sure their signal is weak, and they don't have the money to put up billboards alerting you to their presense... but that was true of the "golden age" stations.

    So, you see, nothing much has changed. Before there was a little good content. Now there is a little good content.

    The only thing "lost" when a medium grows is the dream that it will somehow expand with nothing but high quality content forever. No matter what method it is delivered by, there are a finite number of people out there who are both willing and able to produce something better than the dreck that fills mainstream radio and TV. Therefore, all "growth" beyond that finite limit is the addition of useless crap. Because of this, when looking at a medium as a whole, the percentage of useful content drops... but that is a meaningless statistic when you stop and think about it. What matters is not the S/N ratio (if you know how to filter out the N properly). What matters is the actual ammount of useful content out there.

    In other words, as long as CPAN [cpan.org] and cool stuff like this [sfdt.com] is still out there, I really don't care what MSNBC is up to.

  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:29AM (#221951)
    "The computer age is over."

    Most of the time, when people open a book or article by saying an age is "over", that is a pretty good clue that it ain't.

    The industrial age may be "over", but nobody starts editorials by saying "the industrial age is over" anymore.

    If the computer age were really over, the shock value of saying so would be diminished, to the point that opening a book with that phrase would not be very interesting.

  • When they become the "communicators" of Star Trek by automatically routing your messages, then they will have become true communications devices.

    And as Larry Niven put it in "Ringworld", we'll never be alone ever again.

  • ]24 bit color and 32 bit color

    There's a good reason for that; that extra byte isn't used for anything except to keep memory alignment. That's why 32bit video modes are much faster than 24bit video modes

  • Dear Brazilian ; you're an idiot.

    A)If you had read the post I was responded to, you would note that they mention not being able to see the difference between 24 and 32 bit colour. I was explaining why this is.*

    B)I've known about colour channels, memory alignment, and planes, since before you've been in diapers. Please take your foot out of your ass now, thank you.

    * As an aside, anyone doing work in Photoshop will know the difference between 16 and 24 bit colour. 16 bit colour is just... blech...

  • ]Everybody knows why it is. The eye is not

    ]capable of seeing that many colors. Whoopee.

    ]My point was, their is very little to use

    ]32 bit color verses 24 unless for performance

    ]wise(32 bit hardware) and maybe use the extra 8 bits for xyz.

    Oh god, the pain. Is everyone on Slashdot an idiot?
  • Here's the thing, Booser. YOU ARE WRONG. 32 bit graphics modes on the computer you are currently using do not contain more colour information than 24 bit graphics modes.

    That you insist on believing this fiction is strong evidence for the power of the Big Lie; now run along, McDonalds wants to make you smile.

  • ]BULLSHIT, I am a programmer

    Actually, according to your message history, and the score you post at, apparently you're a troll. I'm now sorry that I wasted any mindwidth responding to your useless drivel.

    ]32 bit COLOR graphics DO contain more colors.

    Believe whatever it takes to get you through the night, you ignorant fuchead.

  • All right, one more time now.

    In 24 bit colour mode, you have a red, green, and a blue channel. Each of those channels takes 8 bits.

    Yesterday, in Mrs. Gribbel's grade 6 class, you learnt how to add numbers together, remember? That's 8 plus 8 plus 8 equals? Why, it's 24! Wee!

    In 32 bit colour mode, you have a red, green, and a blue channel. You also have an undefined channel. Each of those channels takes 8 bits.

    Yesterday, when you were buying crack from Mr. Gribbel, you learnt how to find the cost of purchasing multiple items. 8 times 4 equals 32. Wowee!

    So now you've learnt your ABCs.

  • no matter how much bandwidth we get, we will always want more. this is something that will never change, unless someone rewrites the laws of the universe. the reason is that it is always going to be easier to communicate with an entity closer to you than further away.

    fiber links may act as "information wormholes", subverting this rule for the parties at each end of the link, but you can't run fiber links from everywhere to everywhere else. therefore links will inevitably turn into bottlenecks.

    i think that people are still gravely underestimating the amount of bandwidth that we can use. think about distributed computing. for example, imagine a hypothetical future realtime computer simulation of a human brain: if you've got two of them, communication can take place just like it does for us (a telephone line!); but try splitting the simulation into its two hemispheres, each running on a different computer. how much bandwidth will this require? what about splitting it into four?!

    ok, you might be able to do it for one such distributed calculation, but what if everyone is trying to do it? a conservative (read naive) estimate gives 10 terabits/s required... for one such calculation. that's more than the predicted [usc.edu] maximum bandwidth of a single fiber for the foreseeable future. ok, it's maybe a contrived example, but what about peer-to-peer 3D virtual worlds? there are a billion possible computing tasks requiring that much bandwidth...

    • there will always be a cost advantage to physical proximity.
    • high bandwidth over long distances will always command premium rates.
    • the internet will always be too slow...
  • ok, but that's still just local bandwidth. the range of high frequency radio signals is more-or-less line of sight. so you've got a very high bandwidth to your local radio cell transceiver. but how is that connected to the rest of the world?

    yup, that's right: cable (or some other point-to-point technology). so i still think my thoughts hold some weight.

    and, BTW, Moore's Law doesn't theoretically go on for ever: for one thing, it's an entirely empirical law, with no actual theoretical basis; for another, it relates to the number of transistors you can fit on a chip, which tops out at one transistor per atom (a high limit, agreed, but nonetheless very finite, so bandwidth will still be fundamentally limited).

  • The reality is, at it has been noted again and again, the first industry to embrace technological advances is pr()n/AdultEntertainment. Upon closer examination, it reveals much about what consumers want (versus what they say, which is often the public and contrary face). What the public will actually use high bandwith/highspeed instant access will be for entertainment/stimulation/jollies/etc. A little online investment and an occasional check of the news.

    Say, "Spend more on schools" but vote for the guy who promises me a tax cut.
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  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2001 @07:34AM (#221962) Homepage Journal
    Well, yeah. Last I'd heard it's the Information Age. Occasionally I'll lie awake at night wondering where it's all going. The unhappy thought is it is on the down-slope after cresting all the ideals of what Computers/Information Systems/Internet could all be and careening toward mediocrity. As radio passed through its golden age, eclipsed by television which passed through its golden age, to the internet, which is passing through its golden age... what will there be, but an instant glut of the most base, ordinary mind rot. Gain some perspective and see. It's not like we're heading toward some Avalon.

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  • Yep! It's free alright. Just prepare to be telemarketed by generation d. :)
  • Thanks Gabey!!! I had just ordered this book on Amazon when I came across your youe message. I planned to buy it anyway, for I had a 30 minute conversation with my optometrist the other day who raved about this book (he trades in technology firms, go figure). He stated it was necessity for anyone who wants to start investing in technology.
  • Ahh, but I'm stuck here, 80 miles from London in the sticks with the carrot-crunchers (aka Swindon). I do take your point tho. What were L3 like?
  • Well, according to the European trade press, sitting in the ground, dark.

    I don't know what the current situation is in the rest of the world, but certainly in the UK and the rest of Europe we're seeing the press state that the carriers have great gobs of fibre capacity going spare, and they're annoyed that they can't sell it.

    But no bloody wonder when as a Network Manager I find myself having to pay £24,500 per annum for a 2M Internet connection (delivered on aforementioned fibres). Here in the UK we're being held back in business and at home by such high prices. I'd argue that it's regulatory bodies (in the UK, OFTEL) and predatory pricing by incumbent bodies (e.g. BT) that are holding back developments, NOT lack of capacity or content.

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  • Government revenues actually went up after the tax cut. Government spending, unfortunately, went up even faster. Remember Tim O'Neil and Tom Foley?
  • this book looks fascinating, I can't wait to read it entirly. But still Gilder looks like he's missing a few concepts.


    From the review, IMHO the key issue that George Gilder overlooks is how infanite bandwidth enables infanite sharing of data and processing.

    Infanite sharing enables infanite open source development on every level.

    this infanite bandwidth does not at all apply to the old economic model. Economics was founded on the supply and demand curve. When supply is infanite, all econimic equations end up going to infinite or zero. Corporate Economics, therefore, is currently an ineficiant model to moderate infanite badwidth. Anarchy on the other hand works great when suplies are infanite.

    With infanite bandwidth, we are creating and sorting chaos at exponential rates.
  • Gilder, you might recall, was the hack behind the "Laffer Curve", which was lame justification for Reagan's nutty tax cuts (what's a few trillion more on the national debt among friends?).
    Except that the tax cuts resulted in more revenue, not less. It was the Democrat-majority legislature that refused to hold the line on spending and created the enormous deficits.

    The truth of the Laffer curve keeps being proven: tax cuts are increasing revenues to the present day. Yesterday's Wall Street Journal had a nice little graph for your edification; projections of capital-gains tax revenue from 1997 through 2000 were US$ 190-odd billion at the 28% rate, but after the rate cut to 20% actual revenues were US$ 307 billion. If you counted the increased revenue from excise and payroll taxes which went along with the increase in capital formation caused by the tax cuts, the reduction in rates paid for itself many times over. It might even have created the boom of the last few years.
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