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Big Ugly Dishes Grab Primetime Shows Early 173

ActualClient writes: "According to an article on CNET certain tech-savvy satellite TV customers are able to receive their TV shows days before they are actually aired. This has been going on for a while, the TV networks paying little attention, but now these people are taking it a step further and distributing these episodes online. Recently, season finale episodes for NBC's 'Frasier' and Fox's 'The Simpsons' were distributed along with the last-ever episode of UPN's 'Star-Trek: Voyager,' all viewed hours before they were aired locally. There is no end to what people will pirate(and I personally don't mind that one bit)."
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Big Ugly Dishes Grab Primetime Shows Early

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Al Gore loses again, and gains another 40 lbs. Liberals everywhere bemoan the fact that we have laws, and the SCOTUS doesn't let a state supreme court try to derail the election via selective recounts, even though they wouldn't have changed the results. Hillary blames the 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy' and shacks up with Ellen DeGeneres. Sen. Jeffords is tarred and feathered under a little known Vermont law. Gray Davis is sentenced to die in the California electric chair, located in Sacramento - much to his chagrin, since they're not powered by PG&E, and they always have power...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Yes, the Voyager episodes leaked, and are avalable, and were avalable early. The channel is currently averaging 800 people; lets see if that can go past 1000...

    irc.dal.net
    #startrek-central

    voyager_7x25-finale-endgame_part_1_fe-pre-air-stc- .avi
    voyager_7x26-finale-endgame_part_2_fe-pre-air-stc- .avi

    (Both DivX's) They exist, and for all non-US Star Trek fans (like myself) I suggest you downloaded them now.

    Yes, this 'piracy' exists, and you can use it....

    Anonymous because I don't want a channel hating me...

  • by Anonymous Coward
    I personally don't see a promblem here. First off only those with a high speed connection will even bother with the download (it'd take days at dialup speed to grab a DiVX'd version of a show (at 200+meg)). Secodly it exposes those people, with enough bandwith to download them, to something that may have never watched in the first place (since 90% of broadcast tv is pure crap!) so, if the shows are worth a damn, it may iduce the desire to start watching them on a regular basis, and thus increasing the viewing population.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    In other news, The states of Texas, California, and Florida have been sold to Exxon Mobil Chevron Texico Shell BP Amico for an undisclosed amount donated to the re-elect Bush campain. Citizens of those states have one week to get out though they are cautioned not to go outside without protective gear for UV rays, radiation, and toxic gas as failing to do so would result in a slow painful death.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    ...because you do not know what you are talking about. Lots of major distributors (Buena Vista, Tribune, etc.) still broadcast on either C-band or Ku-band. Lots of them are in the clear, but the major networks are known to scramble. The only distributors that I know of who have switched to digital are Paramount and Warner Bros., and both digital services suck ass. They glitch a lot (especially Warner Bros.) and generally look horrible on the air. So maybe the "big ugly dish" is not so dead, huh?

    And before you try to call my bluff, I work at a television station and have experience with both C-band, Ku-band, and both Paramount's and WB's chosen digital services.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    They exist, and for all non-US Star Trek fans (like myself) I suggest you downloaded them now.

    Eurgh, no ta :) If you're a non-US fan waiting for Endgame, check alt.binaries.startrek for star_trek_voyager.725.endgame.vcd.cid-wow, usually posted by Leveticus

    Its a much better quality MPEG ;)
  • by Anonymous Coward
    it's voila, not viola. Viola means "raped" in french.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 24, 2001 @10:43PM (#199158)
    If you're lucky, the season finale of The Simpsons will end up in your SETI@home work units. Just run an mpeg player on the work units and there you go.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:01PM (#199159)
    I was doing some research because I was thinking about getting digital tv dish, and ran across a newsgroup faq (seen at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/Satellite-TV/FAQ/). Lots of fun stuff if you want to learn about BUDs, but to my point...

    My understanding from this FAQ is that the networks were already moving slowly to moving towards obscuring these backhaul signals. Regardless of the debate whether this is moral or legal, if this becomes more prevalent, the networks and their affiliates will simply speed up the process of changing their equipment so that these backhauls can't simply be sniffed from the air by someone who has a BUD. End of the distribution problem.

    And cheaper for them for two other related reasons. By simply updating their upload/download method, they won't have to pursue this matter in the courts. This saves them legal fees. This may not concern them as much being rather large corps in the first place. But it also would allow them to avoid losing in court, which may set a legal precedant (although of little consequence since most stuff is going digital anyways and is already covered under the DMCA).

    While this makes an interesting story, all those that participate in this are simply accelerating their own demise. Yes, plain signals will always be around for those folks with BUDs, but no one will care because it won't be NBC or some made for mass consumption network.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:23PM (#199160)
    ... I'm getting tomorrow's Slashdot news feed today!

    There's a story in YRO about something that looks really heinous but actually isn't so bad when you read the actual article.

    There's a story about some pointless factional war between two microfactions of the open-software-free-source community.

    There's a story about somebody who wrote something being pissed off about people using the Internet to copy it, with 200 slashdotters chanting "if I can see it, I can copy it".

    There's a story about some corporation collecting marketing data and making copies of it for its corporate buddies and 300 slashdotters posting "that's my information, they shouldn't copy it unless I say so".

    And there's an important story by Jon Katz, first in a new series, but I won't spoil the surprise by telling you about that one.

    And finally, some troll named ThiotimolineDude keeps posting goatsex links way before the articles even come up. Forget first post -- he's going for -147'th post.

  • Here [phdepot.com] is a documentary called Spin about how Bill Clinton's team used this same sort of thing in the 1992 election. I believe that the guy that did this also made a movie called Feed.
    --
  • Has anyone tried using multiple small dishes to achieve the same sensitivity as a large dish, like they're doing with telescopes? A 40 foot dish -- or even an 18 foot one -- seems a bit excessive for most of us, but (say) 7 DSS dishes could be much more easily hidden.
  • by SpringRevolt ( 1046 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:09PM (#199164)
    This is *not* piracy. It has nothing to do with stealing and murder on the high seas. It is however *copying* and I suggest that that is what you call it.
  • Defenders say that there is demand for the shows among college students and those without VCRs or the time to program them, however.

    Yep...I don't have the 30 seconds to set my VCR to tape Frasier, but I have the hour it takes to pull it down off the net (after I find it!!!)

    I'm happy I had bigger concerns in college!
  • Right. I just don't tune in of my own free will to the specific parts of the web page that I don't like. Like graphics that are 468 x 60.

    No one has an obligation to look at ads. You can not look at them in the newspaper, you can not look at them on billboards, you can not look at them on tv. There's no ethical or legal dilemma wrt that. If a web site thinks that it can stay in business because they assume that a certain number of advertisers will pay money for a _chance_ that people will see their ads, more power to them. But I don't have to make it my problem.

    I hate ads, I don't look at ads, and I really don't care if people have business models that assume that this is not the case. It's just not my problem. Indeed, if people would start treating advertising like toxic waste, maybe we could get rid of some of it. I've never heard anyone say that it actually improves society or that is is absolutely necessary.
  • While it's funny, and probably true (I'm also a brit), I have to say that from my experience, a population of typical Americans is far more likely to bitch and whine about a given situation (like a late plane takeoff) where a population of typical Brits would stoically sit and wait for things to get better.

    I was in a cinema at the weekend watching Mummy Returns when the sound died, and people pretty much sat at waited for about 5 minutes while it was sorted without complaint.

    So it's all relative, as Einstein said.
  • I've got a 9ft dish on my garage you can have (along with receivers, cables, etc...) and all ya gotta do is cart it away. It worked as recently as 6 months ago (I can't stand fiddling with it and got cable). I've also got lots of CB, shortwave and other antennas that came with the house. If you're in the Detroit area, and want some free stuff, mail to clintp@geeksalad.org.
  • by maggard ( 5579 ) <michael@michaelmaggard.com> on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:41PM (#199169) Homepage Journal
    Wow, /. discovers the 80's and satellite dishes.

    Whats kewler is that living in Canadia I get to see many programs before they're broadcast in the US. Unfortunately this also means I get the same Rosie O'Donnell show from two Provinces and two States all at staggered times (if anything would make someone impact-test their TV...)

    Even more kewl is (and getting back to the topic) is that it's legal to view unpaid US satellite TV here, just not Canadian stuff. Presumably it's the same the other way round but most USAians haven't been turned on to the glory that is "North of 60", "Wind at my Back", "The City", or "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" but instead get by on "The Red Green Show" on PBS or Mike Bullard on Comedy Central.

    Make friends with folks up North, we'll send you tapes of your favorite shows in advance in return for cheap gas & handguns (oh, keep the latter, it makes your TV news more exciting, we just get car accidents.)

    (Allow pause before rabid nationialist-zealots begin required anti-any-country-but-USA rants)

  • I know this was done. I have a friend who does this all the time. She called me an hour before the season finally of X-Files and asked me to record it because. Fox change the channel that is transmits on. I guess they were worried about people nabbing it and putting it on the net.
  • This is Old News. Check the rec.*.tvro newsgroup archives. This has been going on for decades, not just years. Distributing via the net is the only new twist, and it's not that new (though perhaps worrisome for the networks).

    I used to have B5 watching parties a week before the episodes aired locally. I'd record them in the morning on SVHS, then play them back over dinner with friends at 8pm.

    As for open mikes, that's also been something going on for decades. Some announcers know about this, and some don't. Some even will talk to the sat viewers during breaks (such as the old ESPN Formula 1 hosts, and some other car-racing hosts).
  • So What... I remember going to a friends house a few years back, and watched DS9's season finale for its next to last season, and I think Voyager's first season finale all without those annoying things... called comericals right? Hell, my friend had an access database of TV satellite positions, times of what shows, and the freq. My friend was a little weird, he had a monitor deticated to NASA-TV, with a direct live feed from space. Scarry huh?
  • I never had any trouble finding them in Europe. I could even hand-tune my 80cm from Astra cluster to EutelSat cluster depending on whether I wanted to watch BBC or Sky news.

    Sat mags from the uk include dozens of sets of coordinates for free-to-air analog and *digital* too. (free digital satellite, not a concept too many Americans would ever believe.)

    But where are these resources in the US? I haven't found anything I could point at from Boston worth the investment in a receiver.
  • I'm so confused - how was that offtopic? Did you actually read the post before clicking on the little box? Are you maybe moderating the wrong article by mistake?

    It's things like this that lead to "shaken moderator syndrome". The urge to discipline is just too strong in me, I guess :) Anger at poor moderation leads to hate, and hate leads to very vindictive meta-moderation (I hope).

    ...and I had even worked in AYBABTU, too. Damnit.

    Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

  • Hmmm, user #106880 makes an ad hominem attack against user #1046. And you seem to think he or she's a cheetah, or maybe a leopard. Now I really have seen everything.

    • Just 'cause something's "common usage" doesn't make it correct or right
    • Is it really stealing data if the original owner still has a perfect copy, and they sent me another copy free of charge? I agree that perhaps redistributing it is questionable, but I don't see any problems with viewing the satellite feed.
    • Even if there is unauthorized redistribution, it's still not stealing. Not because "nobody gets hurt" which we both know isn't really true, but because nobody's been deprived of their property. Stealing really only applies to physical property; there should be some sort of laws concerning intellectual property, but it's confusing and unmaintainable to overload old terms like "stealing" to describe new and totally different offenses. A nice short term would be nice; personally I like "horking" - it's unused at present, and the appropriation of the term wouldn't really anger any community at present.

    Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

  • Indeed, I recall reading FAQs in the Star Trek newsgroups several years ago telling exactly where and when the Star Trek satellite feeds were. I thought it was kinda neat.

    On a related note, in my stint as moderator for rec.toys.transformers.moderated [toys.trans....moderated], I witnessed a related phenomenon when certain episodes (and in the case of Beast Machines, an entire season) were broadcast in Canada weeks or months before they made it to the U.S. Some Canadian fans digitized the episodes and put them up on websites [tfarchive.com] and FreeDiskSpace folders within a couple days of their broadcast--meaning we American fans with high speed access got to watch them months ahead of schedule.

    For that matter, I hear something similar happened with the Buffy season finale last year.
    --

  • Or maybe he didn't condone piracy in his article, thus making it not worth the editors' time?

    Could be, could be ...

  • This isn't news to me...
    I've done this about 10 years ago.
    It wasn't anything majorly specal.

    By the way... it wasn't an hour in advance.. but a week. Occasionally the satlight feed would have a problem and they'd refeed the next day. This way they'd have a day in advance to get the video to the local tv stations.

    For weekly shows you get to watch all of next weeks shows. Occasionally you get a whole months worth of video in one night.. That is for sereous nocternal TV watching only.
    Just having a satlight dish isn't enough. You need to be awake when the feed is done. This is becouse it's late at night and worse.. they will hop so you can not set a vcr and expect to catch the show in the same place every time. They'll leave a note in the traditional location and tell you where to go. You should set up like 5 to 10 min in advance.

    We made an event of it. Everyone surrounded the larg TV in the living room.. I retreated to my bedroom to avoid the noisy group and watched on my own TV.

    It was all good and fun.

    Then the group would watch the same shows on cable and make bets with the poor saps who didn't know about the sat dish.

    I feel sorry for the guys who didn't know...
    Not much... They should visit me more often and find out thies things.

    The advantage of the sat disk was watching news feeds before they went live. Some idiot messed that up by informing an advocacy organisation about one mans comments pre broudcast. This was effectively a private conversation we got to easedrop on and the poor sap got sued. Hack it wasn't even inflamitory it was his honnest opinion.

    After that all news people were quiet when the sat feed turnned on. Then they'd flip the feed off so the reporters could talk and really be off camra.

    I liked all the comments like "the food sucks here" and "I don't want to go home".
    "They were asking us to leave again" "No we hid our equipment and they left us alone"
    Stuff people hear about 10 years later I got live as it happend. Trivia..
    Then... blat.. no more...

    But I liked watching TV shows a week in advance that isn't being shown here and watching imbargoed news items.. items only one state will see..
    I got a very diffrent view of the campaign to elect Bill Clintion. A lot of news storys that were limited to one state where Clintion made prommises local to that state that people in other stats wouldn't be happy to hear.

    I figured it was fine.. they were broudcasting and didn't bother to encode. Not enough people could view the signal for them to care.

    This however.. gee thanks.. By the time I get a satlight dish again everything will be unaccessable to me.
  • _In Living Color_, first two seasons was pretty good two. Early stuff by Jim Carey, and you got to see a Waynes brother bee kinda funny.
  • That's the same description DNA uses of Arthur.

    :)

    -Chris

    (err... s/uses/used/...)


    ...More Powerful than Otto Preminger...
  • Consumer time shifting is fair use (see Sony v. Universal City Studios [findlaw.com] ); but sharing your time-shifted copy of a TV show is probably not fair use. Sharing it in its entirety prior to airtime with everyone on the Internet is not fair use. (not that I'm saying it's wrong, just I'm confident it doesn't match the fair use factors of 17 USC 107 [cornell.edu] - in particular, see the part of the Sony opinion discussing the "market effect" fair use test.)
  • The TV industry is well aware of the leaks to the extent that sometimes wildfeeds for particularly important (cliffhangery) episodes will be delayed to just hours before the show is due to air to ensure the suspense.
    Actually, if they really want to prevent premature viewing, they scramble the signal, with vidoecipher II if it's a poor station, or (more likely) with digicipher or mpeg encoding and sent on KU transponders. But usually, the only broadcast events to warrant such measures are major sporting events. Although both NBC and PBS are using a lot of digital transmissions nowadays. At one point PBS's plan was to go all digital, and when I left the industry 3 years ago they were well on their way. Luckily, PBS doesn't encrypt their signal, so it's just a matter of having a reciever capable of recieveing and decoding the mpeg2 stream. Now if only that were the case for nbc's feeds.....
  • Fox's entire raison d'etre is that they had the Simpsons, which was just about the hottest show on TV in its day (and still is) and they figured they could just pad out the rest of the week with pure crap (well, mostly crap) and no one would notice. And guess, what? No one did.

    Now Fox, does have a few decent shows, but generally they seem to air the dregs of the television shows out there that everyone else other than WB isn't too desperate to air. WB gets the leftovers.

  • Yes, I am overstating it a bit, but I was on a roll. It's fun to bust on Fox.

    I will agree that Ally McBeal is a good show and Malcolm is currently the funniest show on TV, but I found Boston Public, the few times I watched it, to be painfully trite, overbearingly preachy and gratuitously smutty, as opposed to Ally McBeal, which can be pretty smutty, too, but also can be very clever and has good music.

    I actually thought the X-Files season ender was the two best episodes this season (and better than most of last season too). Certainly better than that painfully tedious 3 part cliffhanger from last year. But, in general these days, the show's about on par with daytime soaps.

  • I think an average day on Sky One is 4 Simpsons, 3 Star Trek, and somtimes a few Xena for good measure.
  • People like to think they're in some sort of exclusive preview club.

    That's not the only reason. I don't care about watching extremely-low-quality camera rips on my monitor instead of getting the whole experience in a movie theatre.

    It's different for TV shows.

    So-called pirated versions of episodes have the advantage of (1) not being dubbed by terribly untalented people who don't get 4 out of 5 Simpsons gags and (2) being available hours after the show airs in the US (instead of one or two years).
  • thats why you dont watch the dubbed/subbed versions

    There is only the dubbed version because, according to the TV stations, "most people prefer it that way". So, if you're not most people, you're out of the game.
  • 1) California doesn't use the electric chair. Heh. I wonder why not.
  • I think it's interesting how often people on /. say things like the poster of this article:

    There is no end to what people will pirate(and I personally don't mind that one bit).
    At least, when the material pirated is owned by someone they don't like (e.g., TV studios).

    But when it comes to material copyrighted by someone they do like (e.g., pretty much any GPLed software), they scream like stuck pigs when there's even a suggestion that it has been pirated.

    Clearly, consistency is overrated...

  • there are 2 types of wildfeeds

    encrypted
    and not encrypted

    the technology, hardware, everything is there. the networks simply dont care. maybe they'll encrypt the last episode of seinfeld or something, but for the vast majority of shows, it doesnt really matter. think about it, are you going to lose a paying customer? not everyone has access to these, if anything itll create more buzz about a huge upcoming episode.
  • by cowboy junkie ( 35926 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:14PM (#199191) Homepage
    I used to do this years ago with a big dish and game shows. Watch the feed in the morning, then amaze your friends and family by solving Wheel of Fortune puzzles without any letters and answering all of the Jeopardy questions correctly.
  • This was actually something that some of the Survivor web sites were doing this summer in order to draw traffic and "spoil" the show. They would have someone watch the early feed and then post the entire episode. I'm not sure why everyone really wanted to know early, but the producers changed the way they sent out the episodes around midseason.

    Invicta{HOG}
  • geez... you guys are amateurs...

    i used to be able to get from 5:30 - midnight only watching simpsons, frasier and seinfeld...

    and thne i realized that i was wasting every 5:30 to midnight and got rid of my tv ...


    tagline

  • arrrg me matie. Let's go plunder the network ships sending new shows back from the colonies.
  • Just to be anal-retentive, and accurate.

    1)California doesn't use the electric chair. Last I heard it was the gas chamber (possibly moving to leathal injection... i think).

    2)The executions take place at San Quentin State Prision, which is approxamately 20 minutes due north of the Golden Gate Bridge.

    Steve

  • My Parents live out in the middle of nowhere and used to have a big dish. It was great to visit them and see the live news & sports feeds (and next weeks shows), but then the networks started to encrypt the news & sports feeds (losing 'paying' customers).

    And that's all they'll do now, start encrypting the rest of the 'free' stuff available to the big dishes. Someone will say 'we'll just unencrypt it' - probably, you'll probably be done after the show's aired.
  • "But since you're not using any of the local stations resources, just those of the people sending the feed to the local station."

    I disagree...what is the marginal cost to the studio of you (or one more person) receiving the feed? $0. Unlike snail mail, where it costs $X per person for each person to receive a copy of mail, everyone can receive the sat feed at the same time for one price.

  • by British ( 51765 )
    Now I want satellite. Heh.

    Anyone ever pick up that "Videodrome" show or anyhing like it?
  • What's brilliant is that this is probably legal! Timeshifting has been ruled a fair use for recording equipment.

    I'll pay money to the first person who can stream a recorded show off a PVR [slip.net], over the Internet. From home to work would be a nice demo. How often have you wanted to do that?

  • Look, if the satellite operators will not keep their noxious RF emissions away from my property, I don't see why I shouldn't do with the RF as I please. Subject to copyright tempered by Fair Use.

    If the sat operators really don't want me to listen, they should go stick their signal on a cable somewhere and stop bombarding my body with EMF. Or they could try encryption, but two can play at that game :) [DMCA notwithstanding?]

    As for "piracy", unauthorized copying has nothing to do with the brutal acts on the high seas. We don't know -- maybe RF emissions are brutal acts and broadcasters are real pirates. Some people think so, although there's no scientific proof of harm. But absence of proof is not proof of absence. It's tough to prove a negative.

  • "There is no end to what people will pirate(and I personally don't mind that one bit)"

    So I guess that's why we see all these stories about real or imagined GPL violations, (which I wouldn't be surprised to find out were posted as the poster's XMMS plays some napster'd Britney Spears MP3.)

    You can't have your cake and eat it too* folks, at least not without being hypocrites.

    *unless it's a quantum cake.

  • This is *not* piracy. It has nothing to do with stealing and murder on the high seas. It is however *copying* and I suggest that that is what you call it.

    The seas are *not* high. They are not under the influence of illegal drugs. The seas are however *very wavy* and I suggest that is what you call them.
  • thats why you dont watch the dubbed/subbed versions.
  • by joq ( 63625 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @10:45PM (#199204) Homepage Journal

    If only I could get early dibs on the lottery results, NASDAQ tips, and the latest mention of Nix releases

    Project Megiddo [antioffline.com] a year and we still waiting
  • So, What is the difference?
  • This reminds me of a very interesting and amusing documentary I found here [phdepot.com]. From the web page:

    "Spin by Brian Springer is a one-hour documentary which details the events of 1992 through the satellite backhauls. Backhauls provide unpackaged and uncensored news feeds which viewers do not see in the final edition. One interesting aspect of Spin is that it provided a glimpse into the actual Presidential election during the year of 1992, and
    a context in which to consider the election of 2000."

    --
  • Reading the whole story paragraph doesn't change a couple basic things like time-window for delivery. Like I said these feeds run 24 hours early at the most, generally, specifically to avoid an even earlier leak of something via a feed. By the time someone records/encodes them, distributes them, and word gets around, and some people can get them downloaded, we're talking MAYBE the ability to watch a show a couple hours before it actually airs, which by then is pretty silly anyways.

    And that's only if a person knows where to go to specifically find it, which isn't easy.

    We're not talking millions of people here. We're talking maybe a couple hundred, at the most, on a good day, with the capabilites, know-how, luck, and communication channels to distribute something like that OR obtain something like that from a distributor. It's a short time window.

    This is why nobody is too worried about this as a "problem", and why it's all a bit silly.

    --Primis.

  • by Primis ( 71749 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:05PM (#199208) Homepage
    Viewing pre-televised feeds off of C-Band *has* been going on for years just like the article said. I remember years ago accidentally watching the original pilot for "Sliders" on a feed before I even knew what it was. These have been readily available to big-dish owners for quite some time, so why this is a noteworthy story now just because the final episodes of Voyager got leaked online a few hours early is beyond me.

    Big dish owners have always had access to feeds and alternates and such. This is something especially useful when it comes to finding things like sports broadcasts you can't find otherwise (and hey if they're feeds they're commercial-free!).

    But when it comes to pre-recorded Tv shows, it's a few hours, people, almost always 24 hours max. Not the end of the world.

    -- Primis

  • This sounds like a great idea!

    I hear the MPAA has a great encryption scheme. Er, wait, maybe not.

    Oh wait, the RIAA has an even better encryption scheme! Err..

    I think ROT13 would be their best bet.
  • > thats why you dont watch the dubbed/subbed versions.

    But what if in your country, all TV station only show dubbed versions? You can always get them from an "unofficial" source, but while you're at it, why not also profit from the improved "earlyness" of said unofficial source...

    Oh, and as far as subbed versions are concerned: they are no problem, as you still have the original sound. And as an added benefit, you get to see in realtime where the translator screwed up, and how.

  • What if you could get the news several days in advance? Why, you could form a crappy little software company that releases total garbage, and still build it into a multibillion dollar enterprise through a series of "lucky" investments! Hmmmm...

    A Billion For Boris, anyone?
  • Now that was damn funny! (Along with being likely!)
  • Patent for digitizing satellite broadcast and distributing using network media

    This patent describes a method for the reception of satellite feeds and the subsequent transfer of the video information contained in the broadcast into a digital medium suitable for display and distribution using standard computer hardware. This patent also covers the creation of 'channels' dedicated to informing computer users in the 'channel' of the location and availability of said converted broadcasts. Additionally, the users of these 'channels' are further enabled trade converted broadcasts among themselves. The creation of an online database is part of this patent. The database will contain a list of all of the currently available titles and the URLs of these titles. This database will be copyright the patent holder.
  • I had C Band back in 1985, just as programmers were clueing in to the several hundred thousand people who had purchased the big dishes as alternatives to cable. The programmers' answer was the VideoCypher II system, which took an NTSC video signal, flipped the color and brightness values, removed the 60 hz timing signal, and encrypted the audio.

    CBS and ABC started using VideoCypher technology (not VC-II, VC-I I think, if memory serves me) to encrypt their direct feeds, but wild feeds from affiliates were too infrequent and the scrambling technology was too expensive to worry about them.

    The things I have seen:
    • Sam Donaldson eating a sandwich and swearing at his director during news stories when anchoring a report from Amsterdam.
    • Dan Rather's (rather heroic) struggle to stay on the air from China during the Tiananmen Square uprising.
    • Mary Alice Williams (used to co-anchor on CNN) dancing on her desk during a Christmas party.
    • Live cameras from MTV's Spring Break, and various VJ's in unglamorous moments.
    • What Larry King does during commercials.
    The programs that were available were all randomly scheduled, and none of the high dollar advertizing supported big network programs were broadcast using unencrypted C band.
    • I used to catch next week's Star Trek episodes on Telstar 1 at 3:00 PM on Sundays.
    • You could watch all of the weekly episodes of a game show, all at once. Anyone for two and a half hours of Wheel of Fortune?
    • Infomercials have always been transmitted in the clear ... Joy.
    • Locker room sports broadcasts could be a riot if the cameras were left live.
    NBC went to Ku band to prevent its feeds from being intercepted (so C banders added dual feedhorns to grab signals from Ku birds.)
    If a studio is transmitting Frasier or Friends in the clear I would have to ask what happened to the networks' glorious encryption technology and covert transmission practices? As they realized twenty years ago, the airwaves are public. Do they need reminded that if they want to keep something private then they had better use encryption?
  • You get FOUR Simpsons episodes a night??!!! My local FOX station in San Francisco only shows three... =(
  • some troll named ThiotimolineDude keeps posting goatsex links way before the articles even come up.

    In case some of you young'uns didn't catch the reference, here's a link [mac.com]. Thiotimoline to the Stars!

    Taco's corollary to Clarke's Law [lsi.usp.br]: any sufficiently convoluted Slashdot topic is indistinguishable from science fiction (or will at least provide good context for some hyperlinks).

  • ONEPOINT, The only problem is, that how do you know where the people live that have downloaded it. Your commercials are for your market. If I do not live in your market, why do I need to see your commercials. Plus I believe the FCC frowns upon local advertisements being broadcast outside of the local market. Because how am I going to support your advertisers, if I live 1000 miles away. So it does not matter. But all TV shows are copyrighted and fall under US copyright laws, so you are by law not supposed to record and redistribute that without permission from the copyright holder.
  • I knew who shot Mr. Burn before most people so I just spread the information. If only I had net access back then I would have posted it everywhere and ruined a lot of peoples fun.

    I still watch these shows fron time to time but I've never thought of selling them or makin a proffit off it, sounds like fun though.

  • That would make sense if you were getting it without commercials from the local station. But since you're not using any of the local stations resources, just those of the people sending the feed to the local station.


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  • So do you support blocking banner ads? After all that's how web sites make money. And they have to pay for the bandwith you use to look at their page.


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  • I don't ask for spam, it's just given to me without asking.

    TV shows I tune into by my own free will.. Same with web pages.


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  • Back-haul has been going on for years, anyone remember he shots of H Perot tearing some assistant a new goatsex ;) for not getting his coffee right?

    hc
  • These have been readily available to big-dish owners for quite some time, so why this is a noteworthy story now just because the final episodes of Voyager got leaked online a few hours early is beyond me

    Well, you might try reading the whole story paragraph, since it explains this. It's no longer just big dish owner, and their friends, getting these broadcasts. Now they show up on the internet, and millions of people can get them.

  • by Dr_Cheeks ( 110261 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @10:59PM (#199229) Homepage Journal
    OK, so this may not take off in a major way in the US since the shows are only getting out a few days before they're scheduled, but what about those of us who don't live in the US?

    Sky in the UK is basically Fox + 6 months, and I guess it must be the same elsewhere too. I already know how cool it is to have seen the lastest movie (on holiday in the US) a few months before anyone else, so I figure there's going to be a greater demand for the latest Ally McBeal episode too.

    This happened with Star Wars: Episode 1 - I knew loads of people who'd seen it before it was released because it didn't come out until the middle of the summer here. People like to think they're in some sort of exclusive preview club.

    Now, if only BT would hurry up and unbundle the local loop so's I can get DSL....

  • The WWF has two major tv shows a week. One that is live on Monday nights and then they do a taping on Tuesday for Thursday showing. They still feed the Tuesday show live back to their studios so you can grab it then. But, they also show the Tuesday tapings "live" on Tuesday night at their NYC resturant.
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  • Latest parts of the last episode of Star Trek Voyager (40x15mb) are being post right now on alt.binaries.startrek in case you'd like to watch it today like me.
    For other tv-episodes check out alt.binaries.multimedia groups
  • Years ago I remember a UK news reader telling the following story... (I paraphrase) "we went to the ad-break and I told a joke to the crew in the studio about the difference between Australians and New Zealanders. A week or so later I got a letter of complaint from someone in New Zealand about my joke".

    The reason being the cameras were regularly left on as the programme was being bounced around the world to other networks in other countries.
    Someone had a big ugly dish and rather than watch the broadcast via thier own provider including adverts, they watched the live feed from the UK.. and saw the joke..
  • This is hardly new. Back on January 28, 1986 my old man introduced me to the wonders of satellite dishes as we watched the raw feeds of the newsdrones picking their noses waiting for their cues to discuss the explosion of the Challenger.

    Then, we flipped around to some other birds and found the Spice Channel, after which I've never been seen a gear-shift lever the same way again.

    Interesting content, sidetracked by porn: Sounds like the Net we know and love.
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  • Very few cartoons are broadcast live; it's a terrible strain on the animators' wrists

    Here's how to take the strain off animators' wrists (i.e. make it even possible to do live animation): motion capture cartooning [google.com]. Essentially, it involves motion-capturing actors (who now have the freedom to gesture at the same time that they're voice-acting), moving skeletal models to match the actors' movements, and rendering the result non-photorealistically [google.com].

  • congratulations, you are stupid (unless you were being soooo sarcastic that i didn't pick up on it). What the origional poster was refering to was the simpsons episode where they showed the exact same thing you described.

    Does not having seen every episode of The Simpsons make a fellow stupid? If so, is being stupid all that bad? Not everybody has seven wires running into their head (think "Trip Like I Do" video), one from each major network (PBS Fox CBS WB NBC UPN ABC). I picked up the motion-capture concept not from The Simpsons but from a show on Discovery or TLC or something.

    get on efnet, download the episode and see. s12e9.

    Where do I start? I have never downloaded movies from an IRC network and have only a dial-up connection to the Internet (dial-up is currently limited to 50 kbit/s); therefore, I am a newbie and am likely to be shunned as a l4m3r. I chose dial-up because I move around a lot; not everybody can afford point-to-point connections such as cable or DSL running into each location in each city where they may connect to the Internet, as $50/mo times number of locations really adds up.

  • It goes both ways, too. There's a trading community for videos of Japanese animation, some fansubs (sometimes even ripped from awful quality nth-generation 6-hour VHS tapes!), some new shows.

    Because of the speed of the internet, fansubs of shows in Japan are now becoming available while the show is still in-season. In the extreme case, Inu Yasha episode 24 subtitled was posted on Usenet the day after 25 was broadcast (FWIW, 25 was delayed a week because of a baseball game).

    Of course I don't have time to watch very many of these videos since I'm so busy downloading (384K DSL) and uncompressing them and burning them to CD-R. :-) Usenet alone has enough stuff on it that I have no need for IRC trading, and it's more a bandwidth-efficient distribution method anyhow.

    P.S. I can proudly say that I still have not seen Star Wars Episode I.

  • The problem is that you would need a tracking system for each dish to watch anything but DSS. DSS doesn't need a tracking system because it's only on one geosync bird, so you only have to aim it once. And even then, you'd still have to have a way to combine the signals from the receivers in each dish.
  • There is no end to what people will pirate(and I personally don't mind that one bit).

    Just give me a few days now to setup pirateslashdot.org, which does nothing but pass-thru /. and replace your ads with mine.

    While I'm at it, I think I'll go get me a screwdriver and make me some "VA Lenux" boxes.

  • by BadBlood ( 134525 ) on Friday May 25, 2001 @03:51AM (#199245)
    Big corporate America wants to push their content to you in a manner they see fit, when they see fit.

    Us techo-geeks want to pull the content in a manner we see fit, when we see fit. This enables us to digitize it, make copies of it, strip out commercials, etc.

    Pushing it, corporate America is in control. Pulling it, we are in control. That's what the issue is about.

  • by pixelix ( 169806 ) on Friday May 25, 2001 @01:30AM (#199251) Homepage
    "Slashdot discovers unpaid satellite TV, film at 11....or at 9.30 if you're viewing on C-band."
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    system.admin.without.a.clue
  • Just out of curiousity, how do they dub the guy who wears the bee costume for the Spanish TV station on The Simpsons. In the original version, he usually speaks a humorous combination of mostly Spanish with some pidgin English. It seems to me that leaving him untranslated would be the best solution.
  • There is no end to what people will pirate(and I personally don't mind that one bit)."

    Huh? What are you smoking? How can you call something piracy when it's given away free to anyone who wants it?

    Perhaps you are unfamiliar with what the word BROADCAST means as applied to television. It means programs are transmitted from an antenna to anyone interested in buying a device capable of reception. It is not point to point. It is not subscriber based. Receivers are not tracked nor counted nor registered. Anyone is welcome to listen in. It's a give away.

    It is not possible to pirate things freely given away.

    So some satellite owners got a hold of the BROADCAST early and distributed copies. That's supposed to be "piracy"? Did the east coast PIRATE the Voyager finale because they saw it three hours before I did in Los Angeles? Get a life!

    Either keep it private, charge fees, and keep the program safely SHOVED UP YOUR ASS in the beforetime or boradcast it and shut the fuck up about piracy.

  • This is the 2004 elections though, between now and then they decided to change to using the electric chair, and also move where the executions take place!

    Gee, some people.. ;-)
  • by Aurin Wildfire ( 231048 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:10PM (#199277)
    "No, Homer. Very few cartoons are broadcast live, it's a terrible strain on the animators' wrists."
  • Between this and the ridiculous concept of secure electronic voting, some people will know who won the 2004 presidential election the day before the polls. Then they will know whom to cast a vote for--the winner.



    Ewige Blumenkraft!
  • Don't you guys remember Reagan's big pre-satellite feed faux pas? He was getting ready to make a statement from the oval office, and before the satellite feed was supposed to have come on he said (laughing and abviously joking), "My fellow Americans. I have declared war on Russia. The bombing starts in 10 minutes."

    Someone was watching the live feed and taped it, it's been making the rounds on "presidential blooper" tapes for years.
  • by Anml4ixoye ( 264762 ) on Friday May 25, 2001 @02:08AM (#199292) Homepage
    My Step-dad has 6 satellite dishes, a 40 footer, an 18 footer, two 12 footers, a 10 footer and a 8 footer. He has the Dish Network, which is Ku-Band, and works well on the small (read:18 inch) dishes if it is a beautiful day outside. Well, here in Florida, we get these fun things called Thunderstorms, and my step-dad got tired of the signal going out, so he hooked it up to his 18-footer. Viola, no problems

    As someone else has replied, many, many stations still use giant satellite dishes. Plus, they are a lot of fun. We used it for several experiments, including hooking up a giant antenna to the side of the 40-footer and bouncing signals off of the moon about two years ago.

    Plus, nothing as impressive as turning a corner and seeing that monster. Scares the people who shouldn't be out there. :)

  • CNN already uses a bank of ISDN or modem lines and an MPEG encoder to ship signals from local stations into HQ. At some point in the not too distant future, we'll have enough fiber running around that traditional satellite distribution will be completely unnecessary.

    Which is sad, cause I always loved watching Tom Brokaw bitching at his producers on those "not-for-broadcast" feeds. Not to mention getting next week's Trek episodes the Sunday before (although they always seemed remarkably similar to this week's episodes) with only half as many commercials.

    Unfortunately, our BUD sits unused on a twenty-foot pole in our backyard. We got DirecTV.

  • Try reading again. The "(and I personal don't mind that onebit)" part is not Slashdot staff commentary. It is the submission from a reader.

    While that reader might not mind, I would expect VA to mind.

  • by BIGJIMSLATE ( 314762 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @10:32PM (#199307)
    So what? All that means is that some people get crap earlier than others. Ooh...I'm watching the season finale of Jackass hours ahead of time...look at me...I'm so special. My brain is now decomposing hours ahead of the rest of the populations'...

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm about to watch the results of the 2004 election...
  • So what? All that means is that some people get crap earlier than others. Ooh...I'm watching the season finale of Jackass hours ahead of time...look at me...I'm so special. My brain is now decomposing hours ahead of the rest of the populations'...

    What is the big deal? Check the final paragraph of the CNET story. The "wildfeeds" are broadcast without commercials. The reason the networks broadcast the shows a couple of days early is to allow the local station to stripe in their own commercials.

  • by Liquid-Gecka ( 319494 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:00PM (#199309)
    I tried to download one of these once.. I set it up and started recieving on my 56k modem.. after getting bored I sarted channel surfing.. only to find the show I was downloading.. I havn't tried again since..
  • The people who are broadcasting this could avoid the problem very simply with encryption. After all, there are only a few people who are actually meant to get these signals, why not just give these people a secret key?

    This is a cool thing, but the networks can pull the plug on it any time they like.
  • by palndrumm ( 416336 ) on Thursday May 24, 2001 @11:01PM (#199315) Homepage
    all viewed hours before they were aired locally.

    Isn't time-shifting of a program considered legitimate under Fair Use?
    Is there actually anything that says which direction it has to be shifted in...?
  • It seems that unlike, say, burning pirated copies of games, there's no real advantage to TVrips. I mean, in exchange for hours of work in finding the rip you want, and another hour or so downloading the darned thing, you get to watch your TV show before it would normally come one.

    I just can't see how this is useful. It takes so much trouble to get a rip, you reach a point of diminishing returns in your efforts.

    Incidentally, what if the Aricebo telescope was used for TVrips and sent them out over seti@home? That might actually make the program useful... :-)

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