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Smorgasbord of Iron Chef 73

Posted by Hemos from the ihairman-kaga dept.
Tetsujin28 writes ""Kyoo no tema wa...kore desu!" Iron Chef fans have a treat in store this weekend: three 2-hour specials on Food Network, featuring the 2000th Plate Special (French vs. Chinese dream teams) and a Flay-Morimoto rematch."
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  • Alton Brown simply r3w1z, d00dz.
    I've learned more about the nasty details of food science from that one show than from all of the countless others I've seen over the years.
    After seeing how he uses that Polder digital thermometer fir temp monitoring, I went out and bought one.
    Best 30 bucks I've ever spent.
    Now, If I can just put together the scratch for a Wusthoff Trident Chef's knife...
  • I agree, I, as an american, was totally embarassed in the first match. Why can't they have a good cook on there like Emiril Lagassi?

    I feel the same way - I thought Flay spent too much time whining about water on the floor and moping and such and not enough time actually cooking...

    I don't know about Emeril, though. Personally, I'd vote Alton Brown [foodtv.com] of "Good Eats" fame, myself...


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  • Actually, I was amazed that the member of parliament judging the 2000th dish show last night did say "it's not particularly impressive" about one of the french team's dishes. He was pressed to give his opinion and was kind of defensive about it, but still....
  • News for Nerds. Stuff that matters

    Quick, come up with an excuse to make this show relevant to slashdot !

    Here's my try :

    Iron Chef has an Engrish translation.
  • My wife will shout this at me when I am cooking, only if she wants to know what I am doing. I don't share my secrets :)
  • I always thought the "allez cuisine" was a command to the chefs, essentially "to the kitchen!" Of course, there should probably be an article in there somewhere.

    Seven years of French and I can't even ask how Monique's cat is anymore. (sigh)

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl dominos.

  • Yeah, he stood up on his chopping board. So what. He wasn't cooking on it anymore. All of the comments characterizing this as some abhorent behavior have their roots in Morimoto's comments about worshiping knives and cutting boards. Well, guess what, most americans don't worship their cutting boards. Some of us may have antiques or heirlooms we don't want to soil, but, stepping on some disposable piece of crap is not unthinkable. So I wish Slashdotters would quit pretending that they would have even noticed this had Morimoto not pointed it out.

    Secondly, yes Flay was cocky so are most of the other chefs on the show. Don't pretend otherwise. That is the point of the show, to get people worked up. If Morimoto was so offended he could have chosen not to do another show. But his (Morimotos "your are not a chef") comments were part of the whole show.

    Having said that yes B.F. comes across as a prick.

  • The Book (Score:1)

    by _J_ ( 30559 )
    You've seen the show now get The Book [chapters.ca]

    J:)
  • Emeril is too nice of a guy to put into a competition. He'd do the pork fat thing/bam/have an ice cream thing and the judges would have to vote for him out of sheer goodwill :)

    Alton would be good, but the limited show venue wouldn't give him enough time to change outfits or build his own stove out of raw materials

    I'm rooting for Morimoto this time around.

    :)
  • Iron Chef's theme music is from the movie Backdraft and it's composed by Hans Zimmer.
  • Despite the shit Fuji has pulled on fan sites...

    Anyhow, I love the show - I cringe at the thought of an American version, and it sucks that it doesn't run anymore. I can only imagine it will end up being something like "Ready...Set...Cook!" - which sucked, but they did kinda the same deal - give a couple of good chefs a funky item to cook with, and off they go - but the set was very cheesy, and the announcer - well, she sucked (and not in a good way).

    Anyone know what the Iron Chef theme music is, and where (or if) you can purchase/download the theme?

    Worldcom [worldcom.com] - Generation Duh!
  • While tonight is the 2000th dish episode, which as they keep saying, is because it's the 2000th dish that Kaga has tasted since he has tasted them all, this is not quite true.

    There was one episode where Kaga was "boycotting" the Iron Chefs because they had been losing. That week Hatori filled in for the Chairman. So Kaga hasn't tasted them all.

    -Todd

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  • After having watched Flay on Chillin' and Grillin', I was so rooting against him. The show was basically Flay with his gas grill making fun of some poor Southern chef for being inbred (the real man used charcoal). The first match wasn't so embarrasing for me since I wholly expected him to make some off-color internment camp jokes; needless to say, I thought he carried himself with an unusual amount of dignity and decorum (for Flay, at least).

  • Re:Iron Chef vs Swedish Chef? (Score:5)

    by pubudu ( 67714 ) on Friday June 01, 2001 @04:40PM (#182666)
    Iron Chef vs Swedish Chef!

    That would have been hilarious. And then we perhaps would get Iron Chef here in Scandinavia as well.

    Kaga: Kyoo no tema wa kore desu ... Chocolate Moose!

    Fukui: Chocolate Moose, an interesting choice, and one of the Challenger's favorite ingredients. The Challenger has wisely chosen Iron Chef Japanese Masuharu Morimoto, who will have a difficult time fully integrating this difficult theme ingredient into Japanese cuisine. Will he prevail? Will the Challenger unseat the Iron Chef?

    [Iron Chef Wipe]

    Kaga: Allez cuisine!

    Swedish Chef: Furst veet zee chuculete-a, und zeen veet zee muuse-a. Heer Muuse-a. Heer Muusey Muusey Muusey.

    Ota: Fukui-san.

    Fukui: Go ahead Ota.

    Ota: The Iron Chef is mixing chocolate, seaweed, soy sauce and ginger in a small bowl, but he seems to be at a loss as to what to do with the Moose.

    Kuzuko: Is the challenger just coating the moose in chocolate? [giggle] Excuse me, but that looks, well [giggle] awful. I'm sorry.

    Fukui: Actually I'm told by the Challenger that this is quite common in Nordic cuisine, and I imagine it's quite tasty.

    Kuzuko: You mean with salt that he's added.

    Fukui: Yeah, I think that's the direction he's headed ...

  • I thought he was a jackass when I saw him on his own show where he gets other people to "cook." I was rooting against him in the first match and will make posters and buy one of those big foam fingers for the second one!
  • Hey,

    Quick question...

    I am moving to NYC in a month and when I was looking on the Time Warner cable site it didn't seem to list the Food Network anywhere. Does anybody somehow get the food network in the NYC metro area?

    Josh
  • Flay's arrogance is embarrasing to me as an American. He seems completely oblivious to the fact that he made an ass of himself on the first Iron Chef. It's ok for him to act like that in a US event in front of a US audience where they expect and even desire that kind of thing, but in an international setting, it's completely out of place. Maybe he'll get electrocuted for real this time.

  • I agree, I, as an american, was totally embarassed in the first match. Why can't they have a good cook on there like Emiril Lagassi. I am sure with his southern hospitality he would be able to not offend anyone.
  • Does anyone here remember when Iron Chef was on a handful of stations and was subtitled and not dubbed?

    I used to watch Iron Chef but am unable to do so anymore because of the horrible dubbing jobe the food network has done to the show. Nearly all of the japanese character is lost because you can't actrually hear the contestants / commentators / judges anymore. It's just the same bunch of people doing the dub.

    The very least the food network could do is subtitle the shows and air them later the same day.

    This whole shatner thing will only be worse.


  • Because I'm glad Bobby Flay lost.

    Then make sure that you DO NOT watch Saturday's show.


    Because if they ever make "The Iron Chef for the PS2" it will probably suck.

    Well, they did make Kitchen Stadium Tour [ironchef.com] for the Sega Saturn, and from what I heard, it didn't suck.

  • Iron Chef's theme music is from the movie Backdraft and it's composed by Hans Zimmer.

    I was actually just looking that up earlier, after watching the first Morimoto/Flay battle. While much of it is from Backdraft, there's some other music mixed in.

    You can get information about pretty much every bit of music that's ever been used at the unofficial Iron Chef site's music page [ironchef.com].

    Gum "mmm, Chocolate Moose..." bo

  • I have Cable from TW in the East Village and it does carry Food Network.
  • Besides, he is no chef. He stood upon his cutting board. No chef would ever stand upon his cutting board. :-)

    As any fan of the show knows, brash young Turks who are too full of themselves never win. Any bets that Flay will show a more respectful mien in Tokyo?

    If the theme ingredient is still alive, take one drink --Iron Liver

  • Flay's arrogance is embarrasing to me as an American. He seems completely oblivious to the fact that he made an ass of himself on the first Iron Chef.

    I was embarassed as well.

    He's also apparently completely oblivious to the fact that 3/4 (maybe more) of the US crowd was cheering for Morimoto. He got his butt kicked and the home crowd wasn't rooting for him. You gotta love it.

    Rich...

  • I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, my Foie Gras don't come seasoned... BAM!

    Yeah, Emeril has about 3 stock lines that he uses over and over again, and yet the people still laugh. Another one of his favorites is, "What's a little (insert food ingrediant here) amongst friends?"

    Rich...

  • Re:great show (Score:3)

    by Crixus ( 97721 ) on Friday June 01, 2001 @03:30PM (#182678)
    this show is great. there's only one mystery - in the american version on the food network, at some interval some japanese person shouts "squizan!" (or something to that degree). Why isn't this translated?

    The floor reporter (Ota) is trying to get the announcer's attention, who's name is "Fukui." So what Ota is screaming is "Fukui-San," adding the "san" to be polite.

    All he is doing is calling out a person's name. :-)

    Rich...

  • I'm glad the article was on here, otherwise I would have forgotten to tape it (it just started)
  • I would like to thank our fine friends from the UK for exporting Jamie Oliver (The Naked Chef) to the US. Argh!
  • I don't know what show you've been watching, but IC isn't just about the food. We've seen:

    Chen being challenged by the son of a woman who beat him in a battle several years prior.

    Iron Chefs challenged by other groups of chefs (Ohta's Party of Heaven and Earth, Series A, etc.), claiming that the IC's approach is not correct or classical.

    Chen taking on Chairman Mao's former chef.

    Iron Chef Soap Opera where the challenger was read a letter from his separated wife during the cooking.

    People who view Iron Chef as a cooking show instead of an hour of entertainment are missing the boat. I think "culinary experts" would have a different view of Iron Chef if they were to taste some of the dishes from the restaurants of the Iron Chefs and challengers. Iron Chef was not meant to educate viewers about food (who here eats foie gras, truffles, and soft cod roe every night?). If you want to learn about food, go to a cooking school.

  • I really don't know why.
    Maybe because it's a campy idea.
    Or perhaps because I actually learn something about food.
    Because I can't stand either the fortune teller woman or the food critic.
    Because I'm secretly in love with the Chairman with the way he bites that big, yellow pepper.
    Because out of them all, I think that Iron Chef French has the most fun attitude.
    Because I'm glad Bobby Flay lost. Die, Flay.
    Because it has nothing to do with computers, giant robots, cute anime girls, computer games, or otherwise.
    Because if they ever make "The Iron Chef for the PS2" it will probably suck.

    But the real reason - because its different from anything else. Ross doesn't love Rachel some other week, I'm not watching people act like asses for an hour in an attempt at humor, I'm not hearing scientific psychobabble, and I don't watch tabloid information presented as real news.

    Long live the Iron Chef. And the Chairman.
    John "Dark Paladin" Hummel

  • Its part of the soundtrack for BackDraft...
  • I've only got my rudementary high school French to support me, but I think either the show's writers screwed up translating to French, or someone screwed up translating from French. "Let's get cooking" would be, so far as I know, "allons cuisiner". Of course, it's clear he's trying to say "allez cuisine" in the show.

    The only half-sane translation for "allez cuisine" I can think of would be something like "go cooking!", as if you were talking to cooking as a person, encouraging it to go on. That's heavy on the half-sane.

    In the end, I guess that if that if the Japanese can mangle English [engrish.com], I suppose they can mangle French too.

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  • morimoto vs ming tsai would be cool. Especially since morimoto's style is "east-west fusion" or something similar, at least I think that's what they call it, and Ming Tsai's show is East Meets West, they would probably have very similar styles which would make for an interesting battle. That, and Ming Tsai is cool.

    Want some indy electronic (and other) music?
  • Your wish has already come true, you just can't see it on the Food Network yet.

    Iron Chef Chinese (Chin) battled Paul Indragori in Battle Fugu. The episode first aired in 1993, so it's among the shows that's yet to be translated.

    Pity it wasn't Sakai. Mmmmm, fugu ice cream!
  • Prior knowledge has been out for quite some time since this has already aired in Japan, or so I'm led to believe. There are a couple Iron Chef fansites that have a rundown of every episode this weekend including what they've cooked. And if you want to keep the suspense up, don't go looking for the answer.
  • This is a Japanese show. They would never say "I don't like it" or "It is just too salty." That would me the American equivalent of being on Good Morning America and tellimng the host "I'd rather eat my own feces than be here."

    At most, the harsher comments come across as "Sir, perhaps, this soup might taste a bit different with less salt -- this might make it a bit better, although I find its other aspects wonderful." This would be said in a very honarable way (Japanese has, AFAIK, 7 different intonations for respect).

    Usually, they will have one of the new young Japanese actress girls, and they will say the soup is quite good, and they will giggle and cover their mouth. The only impossible-to-please woman is the food critic, and let me remind you that no matter how harshly she judges the Iron Chef, most of the time she always sides with him.

  • Sorry, it's STEVEN Shaw, not Bernard.
  • I know it's an enternaining program, I've never said anything else. But even an entertaining program does not have to be that stupid.

    For entertainment, it's lousy. For culinary instruction, it's lousy.

  • Iron Chef sucks (aka "America, wake up!") (Score:3)

    by kalifa ( 143176 ) on Saturday June 02, 2001 @08:02AM (#182691)
    Folks, I'm sorry to moderate the enthusiasm of all the fans, but Iron Chef is a dramatically stupid and mediocre show. Culinary speaking, it's nothing more than a mix of mediocrity, ignorance, and sensationalism. As Bernard Shaw [fat-guy.com], one the the best American food experts, put it when Ducasse opened his restaurant under harsch criticism in New York: "The same drop in standards that, in culinary instruction, has taken us from Julia Child and Jacques Pepin to Bobby Flay and the Iron Chefs has infected the world of food criticism as well, where a commitment to professional excellence and devotion to the enterprise have given way to sensationalism and a sometimes truculent ignorance."

    There was a time, not long ago, when New American haute cuisine was on a roll and was supposed to catch up within a few decades with French haute cuisine. Well, if the majority of Americans let themselves intoxicate with this lousy and hype-based vision of gastronomy as the one which appears in shows like Iron Chef, this dream should be over really soon now.

  • I totaly agree.. Good Eats is *the* cooking show... Emeril is OK, but after the 1,000,000th time he uses his boxed lines.. "I don't know where you come from, but where I come from my ___ don't come seasoned!" It gets tired... plus, you either can't afford the ingredients financially (Add the lobster to the truffles and..." or health-wise "cook your pork in the rendered bacon fat and..."

    Good Eats actually teaches you how to COOK... not just how to follow a recipie. *sigh* I'm gonna go watch one I taped right now. =) Wonder if the all Alton Brown network would fly.

    And if Flay wins the rematch, you *know* it was a fix.

  • Re:Emeril instead of Bobby (Score:3)

    by veddermatic ( 143964 ) on Saturday June 02, 2001 @01:01AM (#182693) Homepage
    I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, my Foie Gras don't come seasoned... BAM!

    I think we could do without that =)

  • You're both right; you're talking about 2 different lines, Ota's and Kaga's.
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  • Folks, I'm sorry to moderate the enthusiasm of all the fans, but Iron Chef is a dramatically stupid and mediocre show. Culinary speaking, it's nothing more than a mix of mediocrity, ignorance, and sensationalism.

    Wow -- Iron Chef isn't about real haute cuisine? Thanks for the news flash. Next you'll inform us that The Lone Gunmen wasn't about real computer hacking and investigative journalism.

    Iron Chef is an entertaining program. If you're sharp enough not to take it too seriously.



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    WWW.TETSUJIN.ORG [tetsujin.org]

  • I've heard that Yan can cook.

    And I agree. Flay is a world-class jackass. He was very condescending to that poor retarded man he used to cook with on Grillin' and Chillin'.

  • You make me wish I had moderation points.

    Thanks for the laugh. +6, sorta.

  • All Your Food Are Belong To Us! (Score:3)

    by docstrange ( 161931 ) on Friday June 01, 2001 @03:23PM (#182698) Homepage
    That show has the worst translation sometimes. Chef, what happen: Someone set us up the cod!!
  • What is it about this show that makes it so cool! This little gem is one of the reasons I ordered DirectTV!!!
  • YAY...
    What a battle.
  • The French team won the 2000th dish contest, with a beautiful presentation of royal French foods from the Louis Quatorze period. The score actually tied, 77-77, with Kaga breaking the tie. The special ingredients for the contest were bananas, pork, and soft-shell turtle, all Kaga's favorites.

    Now, if only I could get on the tasting panel.

    --nick
  • During the pre-show publicity tour, Flay couldn't stop talking trash:

    Flay: "I am the greatest chef of all time."
    Morimoto: "I am confident that I will win."
    Flay: "I am pretty, and I can't be beaten."
    Morimoto: "What? What does that even mean?"

    At that point the two world-renoun chefs had to be physically separated to keep them from cooking one-another.

    In other news: McVeigh's lawyers find John Doe, II. [ridiculopathy.com]

  • if you're going to take a chef TV, I'd say it should either Martin Yan or Jeff Smith (although he might be retired or dead. I haven't seen the frugal gourmet is years).
    Personally, though, I think it would be a lot better if they got someone from an actual restaurant as they do in the Japanese show. Someone that we've probably not heard of, but who is top in their field.

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  • Did anyone catch the quote in the 2000th Plate Special where the commentator proclaims that the Iron Chef is "pounding his pork"?

  • Who cares about the meals? (Score:4)

    by wrinkledshirt ( 228541 ) on Friday June 01, 2001 @03:29PM (#182705) Homepage
    I want to know who's judging. Particularly, I want to know which impossible-to-please woman is going to be on the panel this time.

    "Yes, this seven course crab meal delicately prepared with rare seasonings from the heart of France using everything from the brains for a mousse to the claws as the cutlery is just too salty. I don't like it."

  • If memory serves me right... the 2000th dish special originally aired in 1998, almost a year before the "boycott" episode.
  • I watched Iron Chef when I was in NY last year and absolutely loved it! Why the hell can't we get it over here in the UK? Beats the ass (sorry, arse) off Ainsley Hariott any day - I'd just like to see Jamie Oliver or Good ol' pisshead Floyd (that would be one funny show) take on some of those guys!

    -Nano.

  • news for nerds stuff that... (Score:3)

    by iomud ( 241310 ) on Friday June 01, 2001 @03:23PM (#182708) Homepage Journal
    aww nevermind, who am I to turn down a good meal.
  • Was what we did every day in Japanese class 2 years ago. 6 years all subtitled. Learned more japanese that way!

    not that you can learn now because of the dubbing, but still cool show.

  • Ditto. Next US/Japan battle... Iron Chef CmdrTaco? Who cares if his cooking is limited to KD, he'd have the coolest name ever on the show.

  • Hey relax.

    I noticed it because I have an interest in public health and sanitation, so I was surprised that he, as a chef and someone who ran a restaurant, did so. Clearly, BF was psyched and a cutting board isn't sacrosanct, but walking around on your kitchen prep surfaces isn't a great idea.

    Eh screw it...

  • I don't think those are acceptable either.

  • I thought Flay was way too cocky during that first match-up. That and the fact that he stood up on his own chopping board (gross!) leads me to hope that he gets slammed this second time around.

    I was heartbroken to learn that, despite wild popularity, the show had ceased in Japan except for the occasional special episode. Iron Chef was on for six years, so I guess it'll be a few more years before we come to the end.

    Plenty more shocking details over at the unofficial IC site [ironchef.com].

  • I think Jeff Smith was in deep water for molesting boys, last I heard. Martin Yan would be interesting, though.

    A Tom Douglas or Wolfgang Puck would be pretty cool, too.

    Dancin Santa
  • I think it's obvious to anyone that watched the original Morimoto/Flay bout that Bobby Flay is a complete asshole. I thought maybe it was a bad set of circumstances for him, but then I saw him on Regis, still the same.

    Maybe this time they can turn the juice up a little in the electrical cords they run near the stage.

    Dancin Santa
  • This loser shouldn't be allowed near perishable items. He certainly should not be given sharp knives and hot oil and then stoked into a competitive fervor.

    Last time they met, Flay flailed around, complained like the childish egomaniac that he is, and insulted Morimoto, the Iron Chef concept, and all of the cooking industry by putting his grimy noo-yawkuh boots on the cutting board.

    Justice was served, though, when he got his ass handed back to him by the judges. No way is a "rematch" justified. Morimoto-san should have told them to fuck off and called out Emeril or Ming Tsai instead.

    'Sides. I've watched Flay's show. My dog eats better. And he eats his own poo.

    --Blair
    "How do you say ' Woof! Woof, woof-woof! ' in Japanese?"

  • I can see it now (Score:3)

    by r_j_prahad ( 309298 ) <<moc.liamtoh> <ta> <daharp_j_r>> on Friday June 01, 2001 @06:30PM (#182717)
    Chairman Kaga: "Tonight's theme ingredient is... toupee'."

    Shatner: "Oops. Sorry about that, Kaga-san."

    Morimoto: "Wait! I have a recipe for toupee'...."

  • Iron Chef vs Swedish Chef! [klykken.com]

    That would have been hilarious. And then we perhaps would get Iron Chef here in Scandinavia as well.

    --

  • All I have to say is MORIMOTO NO BANZAI!!!
  • I know it's an enternaining program, I've never said anything else. But even an entertaining program does not have to be that stupid.

    As opposed to the brilliant programming on American television: Jackass, the Tom Green Show, Friends (Jimmy loves Rachel this week, what will happen?), anything on the WB, etc. etc. etc.
    Not to say their aren't good American television programs (The Sopranos, for example). Just not many.
    For entertainment, it's lousy. For culinary instruction, it's lousy.

    Entertainment is a matter of taste. Lots of people like Friends; I don't. That doesn't make it lousy, that makes me change the channel. And the show is not intended to be culinary instruction. They don't tell you how to make the recipies they prepare, nor would it matter if they did. I don't happen to have live squid in my fridge right now.

  • He's saying 'Fukui-San', to get the attention of Kenji Fukui (the commentator).

    Yeah... I've seen the show a few times...

  • Puffer fish are so cool. If prepared incorrectly for sushi, people can die [allsands.com]. They are also known to cause mild hallucinagenic effects. I think the Iron Chefs should be preparing Fugu [kazsushi.com]. (puffer fish sushi) =)

    Now THAT'S good TV!
  • this show is great. there's only one mystery - in the american version on the food network, at some interval some japanese person shouts "squizan!" (or something to that degree). Why isn't this translated?
  • Q. What if an orgy broke out at the "iron" chef?

    A. Well, you'd have an Smorgasborgasm of course!
  • If memory serves me... I heard that the Shatner US version of the show will be on UPN, and only consist of 1 episode taped in Vegas to see how it runs. I'm sorry, but Shatner is no Kaga!

    We are demanding! Kenichi vs Emeril! I think Bobby Flay should be the main ingredient! BAM!

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