The Tick Premieres Tonight on FOX 298
abde writes "The Tick finally premieres this Thursday on FOX at 7:30 PM CST. Looks like Patrick Warburton finally gets to spread some creamy Justice on our toast!" Here's hoping that this show comes close to it's source materials. It's in a tough time slot, so I really hope it sticks around long
enough to find a footing. Good luck to you Ben (I know you're reading!) In other TV news, Salon reviewed
The buffy musical which aired on tuesday. Since my local basic cable doesn't provide UPN, I haven't seen it. I've been loving FX syndicating what is easily among my favorite shows: hot chicks, sharp humor, and monster killing. It may be the perfect show. I just wish TV was available via FTP.
Spooooonnn! (Score:1, Interesting)
Pete
Heh. (Score:1)
Don't Forget..... (Score:4, Offtopic)
Re:Don't Forget..... (Score:3, Interesting)
My concern (Score:1)
No, but I found this Beautiful Pie (Score:1)
Fortunately, that's less channel flippin for me cuz I can't stand Family Guy.
Re:My concern (Score:2, Informative)
That is a Family Guy gag, they did the Kool-Aid guy and the Two Scoops of Raisins thing, among others.
Buffy Musical (Score:3, Offtopic)
I downloaded the entire episode less than an hour after it had aired.
Not to mention that all of the songs have been mp3ed are on Morpheus too.
Happy hunting
Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
Yea, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that point. As would all of the people at mightybigtv [mightybigtv.com]. Check it out for all of your Buffy and Enterprise recap needs.
Pete
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:1)
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
"Once More, With Feeling" was probably the most untevision like show I've ever seen on TV. It was ballsy and quite cool.
Oh yea, I watch a lot of shows that are way worse than ED. Hey, I'm a media planner. It's kind of my job to know whats on.
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
I'm astounded that it was able to get a PG rating with the Tara-Willow scene.
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
I think you misspelled "Hush", and it was two seasons ago :-)
A musical is more untelevision then a show that goes without dialog (or spoken/sung words at least) for 40+ minutes?
I think Buffy has jumped the shark in that very few of the post-HS episodes have been as good as the pre-HS episodes, but that isn't really fair to the show...I mean it is still far better then most other TV shows. It earned it's #1 spot on my TiVo's Season Pass Manager... (oh, and thanks to TiVo I didn't have to know it would run 10 minutes long...sort of...if I had left it alone I would have gotten the extra 10 minutes, but it wouldn't have quite managed to make the most of the repeat airings; it needs a non-greedy algo to do that, but the simple didn't do too bad, and I got to tweak it)
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:2)
Re:Buffy jumped the Shark! (Score:1)
Re:Buffy Musical (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Buffy Musical (Score:2)
Re:Buffy Musical (Score:2)
I wasn't near a TV when the episode aired. I would think that any (rational) TV producer would be happy to know that I've gone out of my way to watch their commercials.
I mean, their TV program.
Not that I would, mind you, but I see ZERO moral ambiguity.
Some downers, tho (Score:5, Interesting)
None of the old villians will be present.
All because of some fucked up copyright stuff.
oh, and Speak won't be there, either.
More information can be found here [msn.com]. (http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058205) for the goat paranoid)
Even without those things, I'm still excited about dorking out, and I think that putty is an excellent choice for the Tick.
Re:Some downers, tho (Score:3, Interesting)
I hear that the villain in the pilot is a surplus 1970's Soviet robot programmed to kill Jimmy Carter. I find that concept absolutely hysterical, for some reason. Hopefully, the show will live up to that sort of promise.
Not quite (Score:5, Informative)
I dunno about the "Spooooon!" battle cry; it just doesn't seem to me that something like that should be copyrightable.
Re:Some downers, tho (Score:1)
- American Maid seems to now be called "Captain Liberty", minus the whole maid theme of course.
- Die Flaturmouse (sp, I'm sure) was called "Batmanuel" or something equally hideous.
Not being able to have Chairface Chippendale, Speak, or (dare I say it) The-Midnight-Bomber-What-Bombs-at-Midnight (yeah baby!) is going to suck as well. Doesn't really make sense to me: you can get permission to use The Tick and Arthur, the two biggest characters, but not all the secondary characters?
Was originally "Batmanuel" (Score:2)
I think I like Die Flaturmouse (I can't really improve on the spelling, so why try?) better as well, but at least it's meeting his artistic vision!
Die Fleidermaus, like the opera (Score:1)
Live-action Tick a MAJOR downer... (Score:3, Insightful)
Patrick Warburton doesn't have the ability to convey the childlike innocence of The Tick. He's just muscle and bravado. The guy who did the voice of the animated Tick had it all totally down. The Tick is Forrest Gump with superpowers.
There has NEVER been a decent live-action remake of a cartoon. Never. I think that a live-action Cowboy Bebop could work if someone like Quentin Tarantino directed and he infused it with the same kind of berserk energy he gave "Pulp Fiction." But that's about it. Think about the march of iniquity that has resulted from live-action remakes of cartoons. Rocky And Bullwinkle. The Flintstones. The Flinststones in Viva Rock Vegas. Dudley Do-Right. The list goes on, and on, and on.
If Fox had any decency they'd buy the original characters from the animated series like American Maid and Sewer Urchin from Haim Saban, and revive the show as it should be...ANIMATED.
The original animated Tick never had a chance. It was a show for Fox Primetime, not a show to ghettoize on Fox Kids' Network. Ben, if you are reading this, please stop the charade and give this hideous excuse for a show the early death it deserves.
"This is bad...duh duh definitely bad." -- Sewer Urchin
Re:Some downers, tho (Score:2)
I will miss Speak, though.
Copyright, credits etc (Score:2)
Even more surprising is that the credits do NOT mention New England Comics [newenglandcomics.com], the creators of the Tick comic that the cartoon series was based on. Christopher Lloyd made a guest appearance on this premiere and also was not in the credits. eech!
Statement from Tick Creator, why no "Spooon" (Score:2)
Regarding the concerns of "Spooon" and certain key characters and copyright issues (as discussed in the above link here [msn.com]), Ben says that "the material from the cartoon series has passed into the ownership of interests outside this current endeavor."
Note that the statement was written back when the pilot was the only episode filmed and while Fox was still considering the show. The statement clears up a number of issues leaving only the lack of NEC and Christopher Lloyd [imdb.com] in the credits.
I'm curious.... (Score:2, Interesting)
What the heck happened to the cartoon series? Did it just evaporate once it was sold to Comedy Central? I had mere basic cable at that time, so I wouldn't know.
Re:I'm curious.... (Score:3, Informative)
Got canned after 3 (3? 4? I think 3) seasons. And some of the same writers from the cartoon show are doing the FOX (live-action) version. From what I've heard, lots of what made the cartoon rock are missing in the live-action version.
Buffy Musical (Score:5, Funny)
The Buffy musical was good because it was different than the rest of the bleak, TV wasteland. I'm sure that brief spark of originality will go completely unnoticed, however, so don't worry.
Re:Buffy Musical (Score:2)
I highly recommend watching the episode more than once. It's available on morpheus
Viva La Buffy!
Re:Buffy Musical (Score:3, Insightful)
I still like the show, but c'mon; too much kissing, not enough killing. It's Sunnyvale 90210 now.
IMHO, Angel is a far better show than Buffy at the current time. It's a little too smoochy-face too, but it has this weird charm that Buffy can't match. For me, anyway.
The lesbian sex thing just isn't that cool (Score:2)
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Re:The lesbian sex thing just isn't that cool (Score:2)
Even when Willow goes down on Tara, and Tara is singing "You make me com - plete! You make me com - plete!"?
Battle Cry! (Score:2)
sorry, couldn't resist
Ratings Won't Be High (Score:5, Interesting)
Here is the main cast list if you're interested...
David Burke is Arthur
Liz Vassey is Captain Liberty
Nestor Carbonell is Batmanuel
and of course the Tick is played by Warburton (as mentioned in the post).
Re:Ratings Won't Be High (Score:2, Interesting)
I was one of the people who watched Survivor a couple of times, and I'm getting pretty bored by it, even if Khaki Man is from Seattle. It was great fun watching the premiere of the film he directed at the Seattle International Film Fest [seattlefilm.com], and I ended up sitting next to him and Monsieur Beneit (sp?) at the awards.
But let's get real. The Tick is nigh unbeatable in competition with Survivor.
And that's the unvarnished truth.
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The Tick sucked (Score:2)
decimation (Score:2)
> eliminate one out of 10.
Since Rome fell, perhaps? Did anyou actually use decimation after that? Come to think of it, did rome use it for anything other than slave revolts?
hawk
Will be delayed 1/2 hour (Score:5, Interesting)
Now my VCR and Tivo settings are all fucked up.
Poo.
Pete
Re:Will be delayed 1/2 hour (Score:3, Funny)
BTW, two swigs for "evil doers."
Re:Will be delayed 1/2 hour (Score:2, Funny)
Meet the The Tick Superheros! (Score:2)
I hope to God that the Star Trek Enterprise folks supplied some of that Detox Gel so it can be spread all over American Maid! *DROOL*
uh.... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm not sure I want any of Patrick Warburton's "creamy" stuff on my toast...
Source Material and General Musing (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, the cartoon was probably what Taco meant, in which case-- oh hell yeah. In no particular order, the new show is going to need a few things to match up with Fox's Saturday-morning masterpiece:
1. A running gag along the lines of the "CHA" written on the moon, popping up in episodes that have nothing to do with it anyways.
2. A rehash of "The Tick vs. The Tick" episode-- in which the Tick goes to a superhero bar (complete with Sidekicks' Lounge) and finds that there's another, more psychotic hero that already uses his name.
3. The Human Bullet: whenever things went wrong in The City, he'd be fired from a cannon in his backyard, only to somehow spend so much time in the air as to always show up late. ("Fire me, boy!"
It's nice to know that the legal problems aren't completely robbing the show of its charm-- I remember reading something about problems with Die Fledermaus, for example, so it looks like they've replaced him with "Batmanuel." And I think we can all agree that Patrick Warburton is the best choice for the job, judging from his "Seinfeld" work.
When the show aired, I was young enough to enjoy the cartoon show for what it was, and old enough to still get most of the grown-up jokes. Let's hope the live-action version maintains that delicate balance between smarmy irony and childish charm.
Re:Source Material and General Musing (Score:4, Insightful)
What are you smoking?
The comics (THE ORIGINAL COMICS) are freaking hilarious. I'm talking about when Edlund was actually the writer, not just the creator. The CHA joke started in the comics. The Tick V. Tick episode was based on a series of the comics. Go back and read issues 1-12 before you dis the comic books again. (You'll note my sig quote here is from issue 1).
Pessemistic Tick Predictions (Score:2)
The problem with the Tick today, is that they've stopped taking all that time, and instead of a new villain each issue that makes you fall out of your chair laughing by mere concept alone, they've turned it into a formula where they just reuse the same characters over and over. It used to be that every story (or story arc as it were) was a new joke on some comic cliche. The first issue was a Superman joke, the next few were about ninjas, Chairface was a from Dick Tracy, that samurai guy was a great take on the Lone Wolf-type samurai character, etc. Take the Red Scare, for example, he was really funny because of his complete irrelevance - in the early 1990 the Soviet Union had recently become an also-ran in the super power race, and so a Soviet Union styled enemy attacking a memorial to the creator of the Dewy Decimal system was a great joke. (The irrelevant attack the irrelevant.)
That wasn't not the only problem, though. In my mind, the Tick doesn't translate directly to television. The funny part of the Tick was that it was a comic book making fun of comic books. When you make the thing a cartoon, if it was going to remain funny, it needed to become a parody of cartoons. When you just move the stories over from the comics you get a parody of comics in cartoon form... which isn't that great. So, if they miss their mark again, my guess is that it will be because they continue to parody comics but now in Live Action form. In fact, live action is probably the worst medium for the character... how many live action superhero TV shows have their been? Batman, Spiderman, Flash, Hulk... most of them either had an extremely short run or were *cough, Batman* self-parodying.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong, and the show turns out to be the best thing since the original run.
Re:Source Material and General Musing (Score:3, Insightful)
LEXX "Brigadoom" (Score:3, Informative)
Get the mp3s of the songs here:
http://lexx.warpedsystems.sk.ca/mp3page.php3
Arthur had a better Battle Cry (Score:3, Funny)
Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:5, Funny)
Mine would have to be...
Interviewer: "Can you blow up the Earth?"
The Tick: "EEGAD! I hope not, that's where I keep all my stuff!"
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:3, Funny)
"I will spread buttery justice over your every nook and cranny!"
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2)
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2)
"Sometimes you just have to roll up the newspaper of justice and say, 'bad dog, bad'."
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2)
That's the quote I love!
Thank you very much.
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:3, Funny)
"Hey, you're the guy that made my head hot! Well, you're not going to make my friends' heads hot, too!"
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2)
"But what does a British person become when he gets hit by a subway train?
...
..."COMATOSE!!!"
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:3, Funny)
"This looks like a job for Bi-Polar Bear. If I could just get out of bed..."
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Favorite Tick Quotes (Score:3, Funny)
"Villans, I say to you now - KNOCK OFF ALL THAT EVIL"
"I know, I'll name you Speak, 'cause that's what you do!"
"Not in the face! Not in the face!"
Anyway, the live action show is better than I thought it would be. But Mr. Warburton needs to be one notch less "Jonny Bravo" and one notch more "Forrest Gump". And they need to modify his costume to mask the eyes like the cartoon.
Spoon!!! (Score:1)
Family Guy; Musicals (Score:3, Informative)
Re TV musicals: I get all the Buffy exposure I can handle from AtAT [appleturns.com] and don't bother watching, myself. And Salon's TV critic (last I saw which admittedly was over a year ago) is obsessed with the show in a way that's almost creepy. But the show that has done the most recently with musical numbers and other ideas is Drew Carey. I'm not a huge fan of that either but the musical gimmicks tend to be really good, as are the other stunts. For instance, it's the only TV show to do something interesting with a live broadcast (having improv done during it) instead of it just being an ego thing for the cast.
Of all the post-Seinfeld comics to drop their act directly into a sitcom, he's the only one to do anything interesting and novel.
Yah, that salon reviewer is WEIRD (Score:3, Interesting)
I dunno, maybe it's me, but I think this lady spent far too long in a visual literacy class. Even a single lecture can scar one for life, believe me.
"Disinfectant Gel" Note: In the last 15 minutes or so of the buffy musical, Buffy sorta-kinda-almost strips. It's not much, but since I suspect the main demographic of the series is "Teenage girls and horney guys" I thought it was worth pointing out.
This post IS pointlessly offensive; please downmod it accordingly.
Re:Yah, that salon reviewer is WEIRD (Score:2)
Um, she takes off her jacket, to reveal - wait for it - her shirt. I don't think that qualified as "sorta-kinda-almost stripping" even in the fifties.
Re:Yah, that salon reviewer is WEIRD (Score:2)
that is the sadest thing I have ever heard.
actually... (Score:1, Informative)
How else can i watch Dark Angel?
"On TV, of course!", I hear you americans scream. Nope. Don't think so, because I happen to live in Norway.
So, downloading the episodes from FTPs is the only way for me to watch that series.
So, now you know CmdrTaco. TV is available (in a way) via FTP.
Official TICK TV WEBSITE (Score:3, Informative)
It's got some video clips of the show, stills from the set, and a little background on the characters.
It looks like the TV show will be borrowing heavily from the cartoon show. I hope that there is some new material besides the cartoon gags. I wouldn't mind seeing some new story lines.
This will be great if.... (Score:1)
Desperado (Score:1)
About The Show (Score:4, Insightful)
The Tick is played by Patrick Warburton, who was "Puddy" (Elaine's Boyfriend) in Seinfeld and Johnny James (Jimmy James's VP) in Newsradio. He also was the voice of Kronk in Emperor's New Groove. An excellent casting choice for what is obviously a hard role to cast.
Also of note, in addition to The Tick and Arthur are "Captain Liberty" and "Batmanuel". When you see these characters you will probably notice that they greatly resemble American Maid and Die Fledermaus. This is actually due to copyright negotiations (which actually held up the show for some time). The original comic book characters belong to Ben Edlund, but all of the characters that were created for the cartoon are jointly owned by all the groups that produced the cartoon (Fox Children's Network, Saban, Graz and Sunbow). Since Sony (who owns Columbia Tri-Star) could not reach an agreement on who received what proceeds among all the companies they simply replaced the characters.
Re:About The Show (Score:3, Informative)
Re:About The Show (Score:2)
to rob re buffy (Score:1)
btw the musical was just frickin great.
Not available by FTP, but... (Score:2)
It may not be available by FTP, but it will likely be available by NNTP, at least on servers that have good completion and no censorship of binaries groups. This is one series certain to show up on alt.binaries.multimedia, as the animated version of The Tick seems to have been a popular post in recent months. The only reason I never downloaded it myself is because I was getting too much other stuff already. That will have to wait until after I get a terabyte RAID or a DVD-R, if you know what I mean.
You guys are forgetting the best character ever! (Score:1)
Some quotes:
"What's this?! It's a little boy's face! Oh, don't worry, little boy, I'll free you from this block of wood!"
"You know, Little Wooden Boy, the worst sin in the world is disloyalty. You wouldn't lie to me, would you, Little Wooden Boy?"
This guy likes him even more than me! *shudder* [virginia.edu]
First Spoon! (Score:1)
Our local Seattle P-I TV columnist was asking people to watch it, and devoted his entire column to it.
And, as an aside, Ben Edlund is a great guy.
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TV avaliable on FTP (Score:1)
Your wish is granted.
Sorry to say but it may not be on ... (Score:2)
Article about it on CNN [cnn.com]
Re:Sorry to say but it may not be on ... (Score:2)
But the Tick doesn't make up his own words. I guess that's it.
Re:Sorry to say but it may not be on ... (Score:3, Funny)
Cut to GEORGE W. BUSH, at podium.
"My fellow Americans,
I speak to you tonight as the President of the United States. Let me assure you that justice is on our side, and we will prevail. I'm sure millions of viewers out there are just wondering what it's like to wear the tights of justice. Well it's tingly and it's uncomfortable, but it gets the job done and oh, the job of it.
Over the past several weeks our military forces, along with the military forces of Great Britain and our other allies have been striking Taliban targets inside Afganistan. We have achieved air superiority, and our special forces are moving with impunity in the countryside. I warn you Mr. Bin Laden: don't make us bite you in hard-to-reach places.
The bravery of our soldiers, sailors and airmen is without question. In addition, American ingenuity, dedication and scientific might have armed our troops with the most technically advanced equipment the world has ever known. We should be proud of our soldiers, and of the job they're doing. We should also be proud of the technicians, engineers and scientists who have provided them with their equipment. However, with that pride comes the realization that not all science is used for good. As we cope with the recent anthrax outbreaks, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences... But the other head of science is bad! Oh, beware the other head of science! It bites!
I want to assure you, my countrymen, and the citizens of the rest of the world, that we, the American people will not rest until we have found the source of this anthrax, we will not relent until the Taliban have been destroyed, and we will not slumber until Osama Bin Laden has been brought to justice. Our cause is right, and we will prevail.
And so let me conclude my remarks tonight with this thought: may Evil beware and may Good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables. Thank you and good night."
Fade out over footage of USMC BAND playing The Star Spangled Banner.
There's still the cow (Score:1)
Now if that's not worth watching The Tick for, I don't know what else would be.
We'll miss American Maid, though
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Preempted (Score:2, Interesting)
I've seen it! (No spoilers here, read at will) (Score:3, Informative)
I will tell you all now, that it _is_ different from both the comicbook original and the animated series. Both were fun in their day, and both stand on their own merits.
However this new series is off to a very amusing start. I got quite a few deep laughs out of the humour, and Patrick Warburton's (SP?) delivery of the patented Tick Monologues(Tm) are nothing short of sterling!
The plot was nothing spectacular, but was very enjoyable. Indeed, if the writers manage to keep this level of quality, it will be a series to watch faithfully!
On the subject of the new characters: They're different. Get over it. They work in their own way, and can hold their own as supporting characters. (Why does this bring to mind visions of sidekicks like Brazier Boy and Leather Lass?)
I seem to remember hearing rumours (From my friend with "connections"? I can't remember) that Ben Eglund is part of the creative team on this series. If this is true, it should put to rest any complaints of deviating from the source material.
I can only hope that this show doesn't get buried in the typical FOX time-slot shuffle.
Re:I've seen it! (No spoilers here, read at will) (Score:2)
Things to look for:
* Watch The Tick's antennae. Very expressive. Good job, FOX!
* Does Warburton sometimes sound too much like Chris Farley at moments? (No one will ever sound truly like The Tick to me except the guy who did the first few animated seasons...)
* Pay special attention to the dialogue during the epilogue... I thought it was the funniest part of the show.
I know I'm posting this with only about a half hour to go for you ESTers out there, but us Left Coasters may not get delayed because of el Generalissimo Busho's speech.
Re:I've seen it! (No spoilers here, read at will) (Score:2)
Watch The Tick's antennae. Very expressive. Good job, FOX!
Yes, they wouldn't stop wiggling, and it was truely annoying! Which was great, because The Tick is supposed to be annoying like that.
I do want to know how the mechanism for Arthur's wings worked. They clearly had a real mechanism for folding and unfolding, rather than cheating with CGI. And Batmanuel was great, too. Good stuff. It was worth arriving at Anime Night an hour late.
Gnutella (Score:2)
interview (Score:3, Interesting)
He has had a much bigger impact a geek culter then Will Wheaton, boy genius.
WAAAAAAA!! (Score:2)
Thankfully, I saw this episode months ago (thank you Gnutella) so nothing completely missed. Next week, however!
And I want to see Chairface Chippendale!
I liked it! (Score:3, Interesting)
It definetly wasn't as bad as I thought it could be! The intro was slightly lame, as were the intros of "Bat-Manuel" (Die Fleidermaus and "Captain Somethingorother" (American Maid). But the combination of very well implimented special effects and actors who delivered lines in ways that ADDED to the effect the story was trying to tell gave me great hope for this series.
Oh, and of course the tick isn't saying SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON(!) yet, they haven't gotten to that part - should be fun! It has about the equivalent 'kick' of the original show, with the same number of awkward not-so-funny parts. I'll be watching it whenever it's convenient to catch a show.
I just hope it can pay for it's budget!
:^)
Ryan Fenton
Review of the Pilot: B- (Promising but uneven) (Score:4, Insightful)
Grade: B-. It actually sucked less than I expected it to, though it wasn't in the same league as, say, Mystery Men. It's definitely not like anything else on TV. I give it six episodes before Fox pulls the plug. Catch it while you can.
Batmanuel and Rueben (Score:2, Insightful)
he drives a mid-seventies El Camino Lowrider with hydraulic lift and a disco-ball instead of a dome light
His sidekick's name is "Rueben"
His secret hideout is in a storm drain under his low-rent apartment, and instead of a butler, he has a "dos equis" drinking uncle Chico that used to be a bullfighter in tijuana
But of course all this comes from Paul Rodruegez's (SP?) stand up sketch about "Vatoman and Rueben" fighting crime in their "chebby lowrider"
... TV was available via FTP. (Score:3, Informative)
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