The Lone Gunmen Are Dead 657
Mike Perry (And many,many others) writes: "In an astounding move after the cancellation of the show, Chris Carter killed
off the Lone Gunmen in tonight's episode of the X-Files. After a short
introduction that re-introduced the group as trying to save "a world that isn't too kind
to idealists," the episode progressed until the Gunmen realized their destiny
with Langley's quotes about Joey Ramone, and then Byer's quote "We never gave
up, and we never will. In the end, if that's all they can say about us, it'll
do." The episode then built to an ending where the Gunmen group gave their
lives to thwart a bio-terrorist financed by a business tycoon.I don't know about you guys, but back in the prime of the X-Files, these guys
were as close a role model as I could find on television as a kid. I was
deeply disappointed with the cancellation of the show (sure the pilot sucked,
but the next few episodes were good). I feel glad that these characters were
allowed to retire with dignity before the end of the show."
CD: Oops, sorry about the spoiler, when I scheduled the post I miscalculated the timing. I know, I'm evil. I promise I won't ruin the next 4 episodes or however many they have left.
AASSHOLES (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:AASSHOLES (Score:2, Insightful)
wait a minute... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:GODDAMN YOU PEICE OF #@$@!!!! (Score:2)
The fact is this is NOT news. It's been known for at LEAST 2 months that they were killed off.
I can seriously Buffy for everyone as well, so I suggest you all shut the fuck up.
THANKS! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:THANKS! (Score:4, Insightful)
But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
(And then there's the old punishment from rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, but that's too harsh.)
(Uh, then again, maybe not.)
Gee, Thanks (Score:2, Redundant)
Idjits.
Re:Gee, Thanks (Score:2)
Re:Gee, Thanks (Score:2)
I'm a great X-Files 'viewer', but I think it's quite the opposite. They should have pulled the plug a couple of seasons ago, while DD was still in the show.
In fact, every time Fox announces "there's *only* X (no pun intended:) episodes left", I felt it really means "there's *still* X episodes left"....
Re:Gee, Thanks (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:SPOILER WARNING!!!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:SPOILER WARNING!!!!!! (Score:2)
Re:NOT A SPOILER?!? Are you on crack? (Score:2)
The other error you make is that you assume that the story shown on FOX this evening is of equal quality to the other stories. > Without the surprise ending of the Gunmen dying, the rest of the story is pretty damned lame. (Except for the bit at the beginning with the Jupiter 2.)
Sneakers (Score:3, Funny)
Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:5, Funny)
They made sequels to that movie? Man, I imagine they must have gone downhill after that first one...probably filled with furry muppets or something.
And to all the people complaining: come on, it's only television. If you find yourself complaining that someone spoiled the ending to your favorite TV show, AND that show is the XFiles, AND the spoilage was that the geeky subversives with whom you identify were killed: You really need to (re)evaluate your life. Put down the game comtroller, move out of your parent's basement and cut the mullet. That *whoosh* you hear is life passing you by.
Re:Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:2, Funny)
im SOOOO thankful that my saviour has arrived to tell me how misguided and inadequate my life is
get outside some more???
take up some sport???
become keen on jesus???
or better still, maybe ill just go back to doing whatever i like to do, with other people that share the same interests
whatever i do, i just need to be careful to not like anything too much, cause i would hate to be able to be typecast under some sort of heading, whereby people might be able to know me and what i find interesting
get a clue you dumb fuck
oh yeah, and one more thing moron
Re:Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:4, Interesting)
I didn't say anything was wrong, only that obsessing over it to the point of anger that it was "spoiled" is. It's not real life, it's a TV show. This is not real life, it's Slashdot. If you take some dumb fuck's worthless loser opinion so seriously you need to respond with angry remarks, you need to find a new anti-drug. I laughed when I read your post, because it isn't about me; it's about some handle's post to a website about a fictional character on television. I couldn't take it personally, so I found it humorous. You'll find life is a lot happier when you stop taking things that don't matter so seriously, which is the point of my original joke, and the point of this post.
Stop crying that the X-Files was spoiled for you...any normal person would shrug it off and watch anyway, content with watching their favorite show. The need for surprise and following along like you're really there is an extension of detached reality. Watch it and enjoy it as a television show, no one said anything was wrong with that, but if you get that angry when the pictures on the screen aren't around anymore, it's time to find a new *hobby*.
Re:Hello, SPOILER warning? (Score:2, Insightful)
and for those of us in other countries (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Lane Staley and the Lone Gunmen ... (Score:2)
I felt a lump in my throat (Score:5, Insightful)
It was kinda nice in the part where they had to cover up for their lack of equipment, blaming it on upgrades and giving them all away to charity, when for real they had spent it all on finding Yves.
Jimmy also made a nice comeback from the Lone Gunmen era. Man, I really really wished Mulder was back for this episode. He had a real bond with these guys. And I believe with Lone Gunmen gone, and with the curtains coming down next month, one of the most hated/loved series is leaving us all.
Re:I felt a lump in my throat (Score:2)
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed seeing the trio fumble occasionally. Or trip when confronted with situations that are out of their depth (such as a social setting). And when the show displayed a tounge-in-cheek view of geek culture. But even when these elements came in to play, the X-Files had the Lone Gunmen as valuable purvayers of obscure knowledge.
When the group first announced that they were upgrading and cleared out their equipment, I thought the spinoff writers were striking again. Since when do geeks dump a room full of equipment that they personally own? And then it came forward that they had hocked it all to finance their search. Wow. Sacrifice. Nice twist.
So in the end, I was a bit shocked and disappointed in the Lone Gunmen's deaths. They were favored characters (heck - this is the first episode of Xfiles I've watched in a good year, all because of those characters). But in a way, they had already been killed by the spinoff show. It was kind of nice to see them retired as heros and, hopefully, beyond the reach of further character butchery.
Spoilers BELOW the intro text! (Score:3, Redundant)
Oops, couldn't be bothered.
If I were watching these last episodes as they came out (instead of taping for viewing in a month or two) I would be TICKED OFF that one of the most popular sci-fi series had a major plot point published on Slashdot before it's seen by all of the continental US. (As it is, I'm only watching the rest of the series out of loyalty to the original 7 years I loved the show.)
Yup, that story was posted at 8:20 pm Pacific Daylight Time, 40 minutes before X-files starts.
Before I can see the episode in Seattle (major /. hangout, I believe), the death of some major characters is put on the front page.
Sheesh, it should have been in the [Read More] section with a spoiler warning. Publish it, but give me a chance to experience it first.
sad (Score:2, Insightful)
Spoiler City (Score:4, Informative)
But then again, I have been living 23 minutes into the future lately. (I watched the Star Trek episode of Futurama with full end credit this morning.)
Re:Spoiler City (Score:2)
Re:Spoiler City (Score:2)
Use of which derives, actually, from the Web site.
Re:Spoiler City (Score:2)
Yeah, but there is a huge difference between accessing AICN for movies/TV rumors and innocently refreshing your
I will *never* access
Re:Spoiler City (Score:2)
Thanks, morons (Score:2)
Re:Thanks, morons (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Thanks, morons (Score:2)
A year or two ago, Chewbacca was killed off in one of the novels (not cannon). Does that deserve spoiler protection?
Re:Thanks, morons (Score:2)
Re:Thanks, morons (Score:2)
Given that there's usually a 12-18 month period where televsion properties percolate around the world (maybe longer?); the polite thing to do would have been to flag that information in this story could possibly affect future enjoyment of this show.
Didn't we come up with an etiquette for all this back in the days of Usenet?
Just so you don't do this again.. (Score:4, Interesting)
And furthermore, tell Jon Katz that it's "spoiler warning" not "spoilage" and stop having him mention the evils of Time Warner AOL when he sold the rights to your story to New Line Films - owned by them.
In fact, slashdot's entire cultural coverge is pretty weak and needs an overhaul.
Re:Just so you don't do this again.. (Score:5, Funny)
Am I the only one who thinks that cultural coverage for nerds is like visual arts coverage for the blind?
You remember their show... Pre Sept.11th (Score:2)
Hey! Editors! Little thing called a SPOILER! (Score:2)
Even John Katz knows enough to put spoiler notices on his articles and hides the meat in the BODY, not the bloody header (never mind putting it in a completely unthoughtful, unoriginal title). For crying out loud Chrisd, thanks for ruining the episode for me.
Just about every other news site out there that deals with TV/movie info knows what spoiler warnings are and how to use them. May I politely suggest that the editors of Slashdot take a peek at Dark Horizons [darkhorizons.com] or Trek Today [trektoday.com] and get a clue.
Not everyone in this world lives by the schedule of the US East coast. Twit.
good episode, bad ending - sci-fi in general (Score:2, Interesting)
With X-Files ending, EFC sucking, no order for Futurama, Stargate with only 1 season left (and Daniel done), Andromeda geting worse, Invisiable Man cancled (my favorite), Lexx cancled (it's a good laugh), 7 Days gone, Specail Unit 2 gone.......sci-fi fans have had a really really bad year or so.
The only bright spot is that Enterprise is getting better.
heath
Re:good episode, bad ending - sci-fi in general (Score:4, Funny)
Wow, nothing could've brought home the fact that sci-fi on tv sucks now, like that one sentence.
Re:good episode, bad ending - sci-fi in general (Score:2)
And that Season 4 of Farscape is just around the corner.
UUUHHHH....SPOILER WARNING..... (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and in the last scene they get buried in Arlington.
Re:UUUHHHH....SPOILER WARNING..... (Score:3, Funny)
;)
Are they Really Dead (Score:2, Insightful)
Remeber, this is the x-files were talking about. a person on this show, is not dead until you see a body, in peiceis on the ground.
and even then its not garunteed that they are dead
wow (Score:3, Insightful)
If you're upset about spoilers, don't be. Knowing what happens isn't going to blunt it when you see it happens
I hate Chris Carter. I hope the feds catch him typing "ALLAH BOMB PRESIDENT" to someone on Instant Messenger.
Re:wow (Score:2)
Oh, give me a break, chris (Score:5, Flamebait)
The ENTIRE THREAD, including the TITLE was designed to be a SPOILER. And you happily posted it right on the front page. Don't EVEN cry about mis-timing the posting of this thread. You did something incredibly stupid by even POSTING a spoiler story like this, regardless of the timing. What were you thinking?!
Re:Oh, give me a break, chris (Score:2)
Re:Oh, give me a break, chris (Score:2)
If he wanted to get the headline out because he was so shocked by it and wanted to see other people's feedback (something that hasn't happened because there's been so much bitching about the spoiler) then he was inconsiderate. If he didn't realize that the world does not revolve around east-coast time, he was stupid.
Oh, and Anakin dies at the end of Episode 6.
That's swell... (Score:2, Informative)
How to Prevent chrisd from Spoiling Things Again (Score:4, Informative)
But there's a way to prevent him from doing it to us again!!!
Edit your homepage [slashdot.org], scroll down to the "Exclude Stories from the Homepage" section. In the left-most (Authors) column, four down, you will find a checkbox next to the name "chrisd". Make certain there's a checkmark in it (or whatever the image is, since I'm sure you're all using different skins than I am). Then scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page and click the button marked "Save".
Once done, chrisd will never spoil another show, movie, or anything for you again.
Finally, a personal message to chrisd:
Thanks a lot! What a maroon.
Re:How to Prevent chrisd from Spoiling Things Agai (Score:2)
Thanks a lot! What a maroon.
Yeah, I second that. I hope if he still-feels-fine after the 'worst spoiler ever'...
well, you ruined the x-files for me (Score:3, Funny)
Detroit - 2
Vancouver - 3
It was decided in overtime.
Oh, and yes, Peter Parker is also Spiderman.
I'm really very sorry. (Score:5, Funny)
Anyhow, it's 9pm on the west coast so no real point in changing titles (something we are loathe to do), and well, a big apology to everyone who cares, and a big overall apology to people further along the dateline who we probably regularly ruin shows for. (But it is just TV, after all)
chrisd
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:4, Insightful)
So, basically what you're saying is that, because you don't care about the X-Files, you didn't care enough to NOT post a SPOILER thread on the night the episode was out?
> Anyhow, it's 9pm on the west coast so no real point in changing titles
Yeah, except for the people who are just starting to watch it, and the people in Alaska, and Hawaii, and everywhere else in the world that doesn't run on east coast time.
> and a big overall apology to people further along the dateline who we probably regularly ruin shows for. (But it is just TV, after all)
Yeah, and Slashdot is just a big, overrated and overgrown news site.
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
And for me, who Tivo'd it, and was about to go watch it when I figured "wtf, I'll check
*sigh*
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
You did once. And then TWICE, when you didn't bother to remove or rename the story while the ending had not yet aired yet for a significant percentage of your readership. Oh, sorry, you mentioned you're "loathe" to do that.
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:4, Interesting)
Zooberman
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
X-Files was polished, but it was still shite. Any show which has to invoke Roswell (a complete fraudulent crapfest) to keep viewers interested should be ashamed, regardless of how clever that show might be otherwise. X-Files gave respectability to paranoia, and probably reduced the IQ's of millions who are/will be the children of these tinfoil party-hat wearing subhumans.
I personally think that it was plot by the Venusians to subjegate us earthlings without every having to drop a bomb.
Anyway, chrisd, fuck the crybaby geeks who don't seem willing to accept your apology, and keep posting whatever articles you feel like. I'll keep reading Slashdot, and so will most of the moaning bitches.
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
What a lack of consideration.
"(But it is just TV, after all)"
I have no words to describe this. It's amazing. Yep, it is TV, but to some people, you know, the people who actually make up the whole Slashdot community, it's something they look forward to.
Again, I am stupified concerning your smart ass apology. Wow. I guess the Slashdot owners really don't get the community building ideas.
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
The way I see it is if you do something that pisses off a lot of people, you probably did it right . Look how many poeple are using blantant profanity in what should be a simple, "Pull this article, spoiler".
Oh well, you'll see many idiots who throw insults, yet they still come. (to Whiny geek-wannabees) If you dont like the site, why come back?
Slashdot causes of DDOS (Score:2)
Buggering up the posting is bad enough, but not changing the title is just awful. Not only are you offending readers of your own site but you're causing any site that syndicates your headlines to do the same.
The article should have been (and still should be) pulled from the front page and replaced with an article saying you screwed up with an X-Files spoiler and provide a link for anyone who actually wants to read/contribute to the original article now they have been sufficiently warned.
If someone had posted such spoilage in a random thread they'd have been modded to oblivion immediatly. We can't do that to your posting, so you should have.
Cretin (in this particular instance).
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
Timeshift! Timeshift! Timeshift!
It may be 9p on the West Coast, but prime time Sunday in my house until sometime Tuesday afternoon. (And you call yourself a geek!)
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:2)
Next time, change the damn title too. It would have saved me from seeing the frickin' spoiler.
You can't have it both ways. If it's 'just' TV, then why'd you even bother posting the story? Because we're down to the last five episodes of a wildly popular SF series, that's why!
Oh well, I probably would have figured out the ending anyway. Even that joy was denied, though.
Re:I'm really very sorry. (Score:3, Informative)
I LIKE.. (Score:3, Funny)
Spoilers. (Score:2, Insightful)
Has Slashdot... (Score:2, Funny)
http://www.jumptheshark.com/
not a whine about spoilers (Score:2)
Personally, I was very glad to see this news story - I have not followed the show for several seasons (frankly, I haven't even seen it regularly since the movie), and the Lone Gunmen idea was one of the last plot devices I ever really liked about the show. To hear that they met a noble end makes me wish I'd seen this episode... and being on the west coast, I might have time to turn it on and watch it, due to ths article's timely placement. At least now I can set a reminder to watch the repeat.
Not a spoiler. It's your own damn fault. (Score:5, Funny)
NNOOO!!!!!!! (Score:2, Interesting)
First, I hadn't watched it yet. I taped it tonight, as I won't actually have time to watch it until tomorrow. So, the spoilage, well, at least lessens the sting, though I was shocked to see the headline on
I loved Byars. We had a group at college that got together and watched the Files on a semi-regular basis (our peak was the summer of '99 - everybody would come back from work, we were living in a dorm, and we'd all go down to the tv room and pop in an x-files tape, and watch classic episodes), and each of us was labeled with the person that he most resembled. (actually, we did have one girl who was kind of in the group, and she had red hair, so she became Scully.) I was Byars. I could really identify with him - had pretty much the same personality. Mulder was flamboyant, Langley was a hippie freak, Frohike was a dirty old man, but Byars was just a nice, calm guy.
Stinks that they're dead. At least, I presume, they went out in something of a blaze of glory and died for a good cause. It's not like they'll be making more X-Files without them For that matter, it's a good thing they won't be making any more X-Files. I personally think they should have cut the show off after season 7, and permanently left everybody wondering what exactly Scully was pregnant with (and by whom, and all that).
Gah. Thanks for ruining it (Score:2, Informative)
Editors, learn about spoilers!
You've just told me how my favourite TV characters
end up with no way I could possibly have avoided seeing it (except by not reading slashdot).
Way to go.
btw: Forget the "few hours too early" apology, some of us won't get those episodes for *months*.
Bah.
Cmon, give the guy a break (Score:5, Insightful)
Star Trek II reference? (Score:2, Informative)
Anyway, at the end after Frohike pulls the fire alarm and they're all standing there with their hands against the glass talking to Jimmy, it really reminded me of the end of Star Trek II. I couldn't help but think of Kirk and Spock staring at each other across the glass as Spock faces his death. Of course, there are probably a number of similar scenes on film and in plays, but that one stuck out in my mind. The reference may or may not be intentional, but I also couldn't help but think that Scully has attended a premature funeral before. However, it's highly unlikely that they'll bring these guys back since these last five episodes are supposed to be all about tying up the myriad loose ends the scriptwriters left. As I said in my other comment, they've killed most of the good characters (Deep Throat, CSM, Krycek, and now TLG) and these last 4 episodes had better be really good.
more non-spoilers (Score:2, Troll)
THE PANIC ROOM: Jodie Foster and her kid get out of the Panic Room but all the thieves die or get arrested.
STAR WARS EPISODE II: Anakin's mom gets killed by Sandpeople. He freaks out and slays an entire village. Later in the movie, Anakin loses an arm to the evil Count Dooku -- who turns out to be Darth Tyranus. Anakin marries Padme.
CITIZEN KANE: "Rosebud" was his sled.
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE: No man is a failure, who has friends.
BRAVEHEART: He arrested, then gets his intestines ripped out to the music of Enya.
CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON: They all fight a lot. The main guy dies of a poison dart.
Outrage??? Direct it a the appropriate person. (Score:2)
That's right, that bag of bones waste of space left the series hanging with a 2 parter ep. That was a monumental cluster fuck of the people watching the show. There they are stuck in a vault in a building and the BBP (Big Bad People) are coming to get them. We have *NO* fucking clue how they got out of the mess.
Damn him, damn him to all hell.
(for the clue impaired, this post is dripping with sarcasm and wit)
[NOTE: Fox canceled the show, they are proportionally responsible shitbags]
THANKS FOR THE SPOILER! (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, this message is redundant, so moderate me down but I just had to say it.
fucking goofball (Score:2, Insightful)
and your lame ass apology just somehow makes
it worse.
Does Fox Mulder know that the Lone Gunmen R dead? (Score:2)
Re:Does Fox Mulder know that the Lone Gunmen R dea (Score:2)
Re:Does Fox Mulder know that the Lone Gunmen R dea (Score:2)
I'm sure it's been said before, but thanks ... (Score:2, Insightful)
I *was* going to watch this episode, which a friend had taped for me. So much for that.
Seriously, think twice about posting something like this - period.
WORST EPISODE EVER (Score:3, Interesting)
THEY ARE ALIVE AND WELL... (Score:2)
Some of us tape!!!! (Score:2, Redundant)
Thanks, asswipes! I taped the show for later. I didn't think checking
Jon Katz is an asshole.
The End of The World...And What of the Movies? (Score:2, Interesting)
Tempted to light a candle for my favorite geek characters on tv...
But guys, this means they won't be in the movies... *sob* I'm gonna go ice cream myself into a coma.
Feh... (Score:2)
Geez, I'm old... Oh... my arthritis... (Score:5, Funny)
COULD I FEEL ANY FUCKING OLDER RIGHT NOW?
When you were a kid!?!?!
Jesus, I need a beer.
Shatner's quite a role model you got there (Score:2)
Re:It's uncanny. (Score:2)
With regards to the Slashdot reader reactions, hey, it's understandable. Do I love the Lone Gunmen? Nah. I liked them though. But what happens if the next time around Slashdot spoils the plot to something I'm really interested in. That's what annoys me about this. Completely irresponsible. Katz manages to prefix his reviews with spoiler warnings, so why couldn't Chris D? It's "A Good Idea" when discussing the plot to a movie or television show that not everyone may have seen.
Re:Irresponsible Journalism (Score:2)
Re:All right, call me a troll... (Score:3, Insightful)
Unbelievably, pig-headedly, unforgiveably s-t-u-p-i-d.
Thank you (Score:2)
After all this, I decided to watch the hockey instead. And Vancouver lost. Now I'm really depressed...
Re:Daniel Jackson all over again (Score:2)
Damn arrogant Brits, spoiling shows for those of us stuck with patronizing networks that delayed the second half of the season! Not even a "Stargate Spoiler!" subject line!
Re:Spoiler Warning?? (Score:2)
Re:chrisd == jonkatz (Score:2)
I think that this spoiler for those on the west coast rocketed chrisd to jonkatz status.
WHOA, whoa, whoa. Think about what you're saying, man. Let's not go overboard here...
Re:WAY TO FUCKING SPOIL IT! (Score:2)
Let me tell you a little story, I work for a living. When ya work for a living, you want time to enjoy certain things. I wanted to enjoy watching X-Files. Slashdot blew it for me. End of story.
Could I do other stuff? Sure. But I can't do what I wanted to do because of an insensitive slashdot poster.
BTW, it's hypocritical to tell me ot find something more interesting to do when obviously you had time to respond to my post. Why don't you go do something constructive like pet a cat, take a walk, or even masterbate. At least with the latter you have something to show for it at the end. Instead of whining about my whining about it beoing spoilt, take stock of your life, and realize what a sad bastard you are for being a hypocrite.